Same man just said this exact thing not too long it's honestly the best way to peak my interest and or motivate me to hit the lab in fighting games in general especially with chapters you don't see to often like Lee
Man they give Lee all these tools just to make him mid tier at best. You’re basically redlining the whole time just to squeeze out any type of “advantage” when this game all these characters just have big buttons that cover every property. It’s insane to me. If Lee had unblockables or big buttons for constant high dmg 50/50s he’d be A tier maybe, but what this man displayed is constant outplay with S tier execution for B tier at best tools. Just constant redlining, it’s unbelievable. I don’t play this game but I watch gm’s Lee because the character is the most authentic to what tekken core/legacy used to be. It’s very enjoyable to watch but I can understand the frustration from the lack of cheese (upgraded mechanics) you have to deal with in this game. Not a single soul can replicate how gm plays with lee or level of understanding. At least the jf slide could knockdown harada like damn 😂
@@fightinggmdude ur a legend, I always want to ask why twt isnt in ur scope but I finally understand ability has nothing to do with it, the amount of redlining just isn’t in ur favor. I finally get it.
I personally really like Lee’s new slide. It’s unique and fits perfectly to his just frame identity One thing they could to buff it would be maybe not make it so punishable and a bit more plus on hit and on block if they want to keep its linearity They can’t really give it a knockdown imo b/c it’s a whole different move now
Yo mist trap wallsplat thats a good idea, and if just frame slide gave like a follow up blazing kick thatd be cool because both require execution to do
Yeah thought the same GM, Clive will most definitely be in top 5 in tournaments that character is so carried i struggle against him in rank because they just spam 3 moves not saying he's hard to beat but its annoying because they have no skill
@Section8dc yeah you are right man alot of his moves are hard to punish and side step, spam lows because it stops them from spam armor but still it's still hard because his moves has alot of range
fightinggm saying I hit him a hundred times and still died this game bro, even one of the best tekken player in the world saying these things at least he knows how average players like me feels like tekken lol!
It’s weird to see a kaz with such a great movement, wave dash ewgf etc, having this bad combos. What the heck was he doing??? Didn’t go for an optimal a single time
Heat buffs for Lee would be godlike. My personal wish is for either back 1,1,2 or back 1,1+2 to become heat dashable. At the very least they should have consistent wall splat during heat when you hit the just frame version. That way, whiff punishing people near the wall with those moves becomes crazy while it also complements Lee's awesome wall damage and oki. Not sure if that would be busted tho lol
Clive is annoying but luckily with enough labbing you can get used to seeing his broken ish. Can’t say the same for tournament players who only have a limited time to learn the counter play though hahah
I do feel like he coulda played a little better tho. Like how he kept using d1+2 till u punished him for it over and over. And some of his electrics felt a bit iffy, like he just threw em out without much thought behind em. Other than that his defence and vortex was pretty good.
@@Hachijo3GShow is a 50/50 character harder to play? With Lee u gotta set people up and outplay them ALL GAME long, meanwhile with Kaz u can get lucky. Lee can’t hit a button and knock u down for 30 damage into oki without counter hit
@JellyPadOfficial He means he's harder because everyone knows his tools, and he doesn't have that many moves. Strings are also easy to read, parryable or sidestep-able on reaction. There aren't that many kazuya's that are good at setting or mixing up their 50/50's like this guy. (Edited:) And the Kaz in this vid still got bodied In my opinion tho Lee is infinity harder in terms of getting those just frame blue spark combos. Second-only to a brians taunt jet upper and Kaz's df2 perfect electric
@@thanos5149 Kazuya is easier to win with than Lee period. A 50/50 character with good heat, an oppressive toolset will always be a better character than Lee who relies on having a read on his opponents, setting them up with frame trap and negative frame plays. Lee can’t just say "oh you’re turtling up on me? Let me hit u with these huge plus frames and 50/50 mind games" he can’t just do a hell sweep into Oki without a CH or go into heat an pressure u into guessing for your life.
hit that man 8 times depleted his health bar to literally 10% (or less) and the losing player can still come back and win with an easy brain rot read no big brain just hmmm I'll EWGF now f*** it. easy ass combo to kill! this is the literal reason i hate this game sooo much its the worst aspect of this game the other player can be less skilled and still get lucky its so infuriating! also the gray life replenishing needs to be removed we dont need come back mechanics in fighting games.
@@omegaweapon116 its out of control they need to tone the damage way down or reverse the protocol as in in rage you gain grey life back giving you a chance at a comeback but increase in damage this increasing the amount of grey life to come back as well its crazy you can literally get half a life bar back especially characters with good heat mechanics
Ohhh no he needs a just frame to make a comeback? That’s why you gotta stop your offense once in a while. Not braindead at all, him doing that from minus itself was a risk. Also prove the concept of luck exists, because “lucky” don’t mean anything to those who don’t believe in that mumbo jumbo. Sounds more like cope
@@shaghilathar3588There are things you can do against hellsweep, itself, sure… but hellsweep is just the initial tool used to start the vortex. The threat of it opens up opportunities for other moves that get you launched for trying to avoid hellsweep.
@@shaghilathar3588 it can track to the right. But really hellsweep is just the opening tool. Just the threat of hellsweep makes it more likely for his other launchers to land. Once kazuya makes you THINK you have to duck, you’ve already lost the mental game. Next thing you know you’re in the blender.
@@vJDiZZ Not really because there are several options selects to his entire mix up game. SSL, dickjab or even normal jab will stop any mix. Hopkick, orbital, even throws will beat all of his options because all of his options are 20 ish frames and have no evasion or crushing.
@fightinggm kazuya has hard execution making him inconsistent if you're not on point with timing and inputs. He has no panic moves, so you have to have strong fundamentals and defence. Plus, he has a basic move set, and everyone knows the match-up. His 50/50 is good. However, his hellsweep is heavily punished if blocked. I could go on how he is a lot harder than Lee.
@CMR-j8n lees execution is just as hard what are u talking about? Kazuya has actual heat mechanics and easy 5050 oki. Lee has to do perfect just frames while reading button time just to get damage with no mix ups
@@CMR-j8n You need even better fundamentals with Lee, because Kaz is actually a good character and Lee isn't. Doing a single counter hit set up with Lee is harder than everything Kazuya has in his kit -- that includes electrics and wavedash mix ups.
I love how fast you answer back in the neutral. Pro Tekken gameplay is mind boggling
Thanks for watching bro
This mans gms Lee is BEAST son, the swagger you play with is immaculate much success to you in this new year mane
His names, “Only ewgf”.
Does a round start electric lmfao
Always love seeing two specialists characters go at each other mang! Especially at High Level
U mean mayne?
Same man just said this exact thing not too long it's honestly the best way to peak my interest and or motivate me to hit the lab in fighting games in general especially with chapters you don't see to often like Lee
3:31 Clap for this clean whiff punish 👏👏
The Step brothers are goin at it 😆
I almost forgot they were 😮.. Tekken needed a lore/backstory about it.. way too late
Lee is more of a Mishima than Lars is
@@livingashtree1942 lee still love his dad by naming his precious robot hachi, true mishimas😂😂
😂😂🤣
Lee was adopted 😆
I would love to see you go against Sirstaccsalot. He is a great Kazuya player.
27:30 WOW WAY TO COMEBACK JESUS
MASKU
Clearly the best Lee in the game. 🌹
I hope Lee get some meaningful buffs.
@@NateBiggsby he really is! Absolutely inspirational 👏
I appreciate the kind words
@@Section8dc You said that Lee is inspirational!?
GTAB!
@@sevionus80 The Classics 👌
Probably the best usage of 1+2 out of all Lee players
Definitely
Thanks dudes
Also probably the best usage of Lee out of all Lee players.
Clean Lee fasho I be takin notes
Man they give Lee all these tools just to make him mid tier at best. You’re basically redlining the whole time just to squeeze out any type of “advantage” when this game all these characters just have big buttons that cover every property. It’s insane to me. If Lee had unblockables or big buttons for constant high dmg 50/50s he’d be A tier maybe, but what this man displayed is constant outplay with S tier execution for B tier at best tools. Just constant redlining, it’s unbelievable.
I don’t play this game but I watch gm’s Lee because the character is the most authentic to what tekken core/legacy used to be. It’s very enjoyable to watch but I can understand the frustration from the lack of cheese (upgraded mechanics) you have to deal with in this game. Not a single soul can replicate how gm plays with lee or level of understanding. At least the jf slide could knockdown harada like damn 😂
Thanks for the kind words bro and respect. Hopefully in season 2 they give us some tekken 8 cheese for lee finnaly
@@fightinggmdude ur a legend, I always want to ask why twt isnt in ur scope but I finally understand ability has nothing to do with it, the amount of redlining just isn’t in ur favor. I finally get it.
@BiggWerv I'm not sponsored and twt is madd expensive and not worth it. I competed alot and traveled before and I never made my money back
@@fightinggmword stay grinding gang you know ur situation better than anyone else I enjoy ur content happy holidays fam
I personally really like Lee’s new slide. It’s unique and fits perfectly to his just frame identity
One thing they could to buff it would be maybe not make it so punishable and a bit more plus on hit and on block if they want to keep its linearity
They can’t really give it a knockdown imo b/c it’s a whole different move now
6:11 full round, no heat, just Tekken.
Yo mist trap wallsplat thats a good idea, and if just frame slide gave like a follow up blazing kick thatd be cool because both require execution to do
YOOO bruh that comeback at 14:06 was fire tho
EDIT: and the next round if wasnt cause ws2,4 didnt wallsplat him wouldve been another sick comeback lol
Damn geez bro did like 10 thousand different equations just to win . Geez must be a lee thing .
I would love to see him playa against TMMs kazuya
30:12 The Just Frame Brilliant slide should also knockdown or something 😂
Impressive Kazuya! His electrics are all perfect. Lightning fast. Does anyone know his full name? I'd like to subscribe to that Kazuya's channel.
Any reason you kept doing df1 into 3? Thanks for the video man keep em coming !
Stop him from stepping to the right lol
Dumb question but who is Akira Sato (your gamer tag)? Is there an anime or is he a character in a video game?
Hes from the anime/ manga called the fable
Yeah thought the same GM, Clive will most definitely be in top 5 in tournaments that character is so carried i struggle against him in rank because they just spam 3 moves not saying he's hard to beat but its annoying because they have no skill
GitGud 😂
He is hard to beat ngl, can't step him really and the armor and f1+2 spam is just insane online rn, its gonna be hell online for a while smh
@gavo117 i play jack8 who do you play? If its some cheesy character stfu
@Section8dc yeah you are right man alot of his moves are hard to punish and side step, spam lows because it stops them from spam armor but still it's still hard because his moves has alot of range
Online is gonna become a Clive block punish simulator.
So bro is it me or does Clive do a lot of bs damage?
27:43
😂
Ya heard 💪
You feel like this tekken the hardest you have had to work with Lee?
That kaz join f4 reset combo ender* ain't that worth man, you should keep it simple, just finish it
fightinggm saying I hit him a hundred times and still died this game bro, even one of the best tekken player in the world saying these things at least he knows how average players like me feels like tekken lol!
Is T8 more balanced than T7?
Def not expecially with clive in the game now
It’s weird to see a kaz with such a great movement, wave dash ewgf etc, having this bad combos. What the heck was he doing??? Didn’t go for an optimal a single time
Exactly
He took reliability over optimisation. Kazuyas optimal combos drop for no reason
Fightingm whats ur thoughts about vsing kazuya
Annoying cause it's always a mix once he starts going
Heat buffs for Lee would be godlike. My personal wish is for either back 1,1,2 or back 1,1+2 to become heat dashable. At the very least they should have consistent wall splat during heat when you hit the just frame version. That way, whiff punishing people near the wall with those moves becomes crazy while it also complements Lee's awesome wall damage and oki. Not sure if that would be busted tho lol
Clive is annoying but luckily with enough labbing you can get used to seeing his broken ish. Can’t say the same for tournament players who only have a limited time to learn the counter play though hahah
I just hate having to get in on bro his buttons cover so much space when you're trying to get in
i've grown as a person from my last comments. This shit is peak
Its funny how you fight alot of max rank guys that are complete trash. And guys like this arent even max rank.
cuz he plays kaz
Finally some Kaz representation . Also I think i found my doppelgänger bro plays Kaz exactly like I do with the same combo routes and everything😂😂.
I do feel like he coulda played a little better tho. Like how he kept using d1+2 till u punished him for it over and over. And some of his electrics felt a bit iffy, like he just threw em out without much thought behind em. Other than that his defence and vortex was pretty good.
Nah the whiff punish at 3:30 IS DISGUSTING, best Lee by a million 💯 🔥
Lee is unnecessarily hard to play 😮💨
I love that about Lee. Takes pure dedication and genuine effort to play him.
Kaz is definitely harder
@@Hachijo3GShow is a 50/50 character harder to play? With Lee u gotta set people up and outplay them ALL GAME long, meanwhile with Kaz u can get lucky. Lee can’t hit a button and knock u down for 30 damage into oki without counter hit
@JellyPadOfficial He means he's harder because everyone knows his tools, and he doesn't have that many moves. Strings are also easy to read, parryable or sidestep-able on reaction. There aren't that many kazuya's that are good at setting or mixing up their 50/50's like this guy.
(Edited:) And the Kaz in this vid still got bodied
In my opinion tho Lee is infinity harder in terms of getting those just frame blue spark combos. Second-only to a brians taunt jet upper and Kaz's df2 perfect electric
@@thanos5149 Kazuya is easier to win with than Lee period. A 50/50 character with good heat, an oppressive toolset will always be a better character than Lee who relies on having a read on his opponents, setting them up with frame trap and negative frame plays. Lee can’t just say "oh you’re turtling up on me? Let me hit u with these huge plus frames and 50/50 mind games" he can’t just do a hell sweep into Oki without a CH or go into heat an pressure u into guessing for your life.
clive is so broken really even low ranks clive player is untouchable, clive should not be tekken he should be in soul calibur
Yo gm do you still play against fab?
He doesn't play anymore
@ WHAT!!! I didn’t know that I wonder y?
@@mikeymishima7167 he got a family now
@ oh okay makes sense same thing happened to me can’t grind like I used to 🤣 you plan on having any kids in the future gm?
hit that man 8 times depleted his health bar to literally 10% (or less) and the losing player can still come back and win with an easy brain rot read no big brain just hmmm I'll EWGF now f*** it. easy ass combo to kill! this is the literal reason i hate this game sooo much its the worst aspect of this game the other player can be less skilled and still get lucky its so infuriating! also the gray life replenishing needs to be removed we dont need come back mechanics in fighting games.
🤣 🤣 🤣 glad u saw that bro I'm like what the hell is up with this game smh
Yea if you have heat and rage you can get an easy 75% combo
@@fightinggm its nuts makes no sense
@@omegaweapon116 its out of control they need to tone the damage way down or reverse the protocol as in in rage you gain grey life back giving you a chance at a comeback but increase in damage this increasing the amount of grey life to come back as well its crazy you can literally get half a life bar back especially characters with good heat mechanics
Ohhh no he needs a just frame to make a comeback? That’s why you gotta stop your offense once in a while. Not braindead at all, him doing that from minus itself was a risk.
Also prove the concept of luck exists, because “lucky” don’t mean anything to those who don’t believe in that mumbo jumbo. Sounds more like cope
Down 1, electric? Pfft 🤣😂🤣
Electric from d-jab is a thing, when you get out of green ranks you’ll start seeing it
Fat set. Obviously our boy gm (aka squirtle 37:50) won this. This patch better give Lee some meaningful buffs
kazuya is not very good hes only scary on wakeup when he about to 50 50
Nah. He can activate that 50 50 any time. The threat of hellsweep is always present
@@vJDiZZit's a 20 frame move with no tracking or high crush. If you're getting randomly hellsweeped there's a lot you can do
@@shaghilathar3588There are things you can do against hellsweep, itself, sure… but hellsweep is just the initial tool used to start the vortex. The threat of it opens up opportunities for other moves that get you launched for trying to avoid hellsweep.
@@shaghilathar3588 it can track to the right. But really hellsweep is just the opening tool. Just the threat of hellsweep makes it more likely for his other launchers to land. Once kazuya makes you THINK you have to duck, you’ve already lost the mental game. Next thing you know you’re in the blender.
@@vJDiZZ Not really because there are several options selects to his entire mix up game. SSL, dickjab or even normal jab will stop any mix. Hopkick, orbital, even throws will beat all of his options because all of his options are 20 ish frames and have no evasion or crushing.
Nah the mainmanswe is a way better kazuya
The title is the best kazuya i ever played. I never played tmm. Learn how to read smh
Bro I’ve played blue rank kazuya’s better than mainman
@@breezetha27they might have better Kazuyas but not better game knowledge as tmm
Kazuya is harder to play than Lee.
Def not hes a way better character and has easy 5050s and lee does not
Yup, kazuya is smothered by majority cast better long range, pokes, high & low crushing shit, only ewgf and ff2 are his saving grace.
@fightinggm kazuya has hard execution making him inconsistent if you're not on point with timing and inputs. He has no panic moves, so you have to have strong fundamentals and defence. Plus, he has a basic move set, and everyone knows the match-up. His 50/50 is good. However, his hellsweep is heavily punished if blocked. I could go on how he is a lot harder than Lee.
@CMR-j8n lees execution is just as hard what are u talking about? Kazuya has actual heat mechanics and easy 5050 oki. Lee has to do perfect just frames while reading button time just to get damage with no mix ups
@@CMR-j8n You need even better fundamentals with Lee, because Kaz is actually a good character and Lee isn't. Doing a single counter hit set up with Lee is harder than everything Kazuya has in his kit -- that includes electrics and wavedash mix ups.