(Full Video) Lord Jamar GOES OFF On KRS 1's Lies About Latino & Jamaicans Creating Hip-Hop
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- Watch the full video of Lord Jamar setting the record straight on KRS 1's claims about Latinos and Jamaicans creating hip-hop. Don't miss out on this insightful discussion!
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Im a Latino and HIP HOP IS A BLACK CREATION plain and simple JAZZ is a Black creation ROCK AND ROLL is a Black creation RAP is a Black Creation Reggue is a Black Creation must I go on....with NO other participants in the creation.
You speaking facts they try and play all these games like Reggaeton ain’t rapping in Spanish they want to act like it’s something that’s new or like it’s something they created salsa is Cuban they stole that to PR never created anything they steal and that’s just a fact they act just like their Spaniard ancestors
Reggaeton comes from Jamaican immigrants who went to Panama to work on the Panama canal almost a hundred years ago.
Facts. I can do nothing but respect a man that stands on truth
@@jayshah9967
1. When was hip-hop created year, month, day?
2. How long after it's creation did "everyone else" come into hip-hop? 🤔
Even spanish were u think Congo and Tomball and all that's stuff from African slave mix in the Caribbean culture
Lord Jamar is so right about us being cool all the time with letting other cultures in, but none of those other cultures mess with us.
Sad but true real talk
Facts!
they have nothing we wanna mess with. absolutely nothing
@@alphabright9138 I won’t argue
Na double edge sword
Thanks for keeping it true .
Lord Jamar is one of the last real ones left in the game 💯
Krs one said himself "The dreds in Brooklyn were crazy, you couldn't come out the house wit no hip-hop because the pistols would go (gunfire). In the song "the South Bronx".
Lord jamar hit a grand slam with his take on this video ‼️‼️‼️‼️...FBA💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿🔥🔥🔥🔥
*Str8 Facts!*
Shalawam&Salute Mike for the full upload 🫡 and Salute to Lord Jamar for simply speaking facts without fear! I loved how he maintained facts when folks tried to use gaslighting, disinformation, and deflection to take away from facts of the matter and KRS was the first rapper on wax with biblical truth about us being the scattered 12 Tribes so it blew my mind to see that he would make such an idiotic claim 🙌🏾💪🏾⚔️
This convo is needed to keep people informed! Lord Jamar is definitely Gatekeeper for Hip Hop!
Not sure about that. This is nothing but division. I've said it above but no Puerto Rican has ever said this was a Puerto Rican form of Music. In addition He was clearly wrong in stating that Hip Hop is just Dj's and emcees. He also said cats used to do the Wop. Now that wasn't a Hip Hop dance and cats didn't battle to that. We popped or breakdanced. and it was a Battle. Emcing came LAST. PLUS it was designed to BIG UP the DJ not to big up self which in all fairness, Brand Nubian did so revising history on his part is not a debate tool which is appropriate or acceptable. That is INDUSTRY projection. So no...right now this isn't gatekeeping. This is just riffing and division. Hip HOP unifies.
Black Music ✊🏿
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Lord Jamar response to KRS-ONE views on cultural origins of Hip-Hop
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Lord Jamar breaks down DNA of Hip-Hop
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Lord Jamar on 5%Percent Nation influence
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Lord Jamar on Latino & Black BabyBoomer generation relations
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Lord Jamar thanks other ethnic groups for Hip-Hop contributions
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Lord Jamar on giving credit to the originators of Hip-Hop/5 Elements of Hip-Hop (MC, Djing, Graffiti, Breakdancing, & Knowledge)
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Lord Jamar on Corp. Hip-Hop
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Lord Jamar speaks on "Microphone🎤Check"
(A Tariq Nasheed documentary)
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Lord Jamar on RockSteadyCrew naming
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CrazyLegs stated other Latino Hip-Hop artist were not "media savy"
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Lord Jamar on inquiring influences other ethnic groups played a origin role in Hip-Hop
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"Yo PeteRock, make some James Brown soul drums" onetwo
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You right Lord Jamar, “NO MO Talk”
DJ Kool Herc was literally BORN IN JAMAICA.
And far as breaking, nobody knows who THE FIRST bboy or girl was, but Crazy Legs, a Latino was definitely among the pioneers of breaking that made it popular, so we gotta give him and the Latino community their props for that.
What's with all this reverse racism, where some black people are so insecure that they don't even wanna give credit where it's due? 🤦🏻♂️
He said himself he was Americanized and influenced by what we were already doing. He participated. These are his words, not mine.
@@S.412-q3q He’s not going to be able to deny his parentage and the influence his parents culture had on him. I am Jamaican and we have heard musicians talk about our influence in hip hop but the same can be said about your music and its influence on our music genres too. There will never be a rapper that has the type of impact of a Bob Marley so we don’t even need to claim any influence in the origin or creation of hip hop. Hip hop is just as despicable as Dancehall music here; those genres really about the destruction of our people so you guys can have that.
@@blacklight3596YOU SOUND STUPID! NAME THE JAMAICAN INFLUENCE IN HIP HOP! SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP BOB MARLEY, YOU CAN GO ON TH-cam AND SEE WHERE HE SAYS OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO REPLICATE THE MOTOWN SOUND! DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIRD WORLD ISLANDERS INFLUENCED BLACK AMERICANS?! FOH!!
@@blacklight3596YOUR WHOLE ISLAND IS DESPICABLE! WHY DONT YOU CLEAN IT UP AND STOP FLEEING TO AMERICA AND BRITAIN?
@@blacklight3596 And what influence did his parents culture have on him? More importantly, influence that could have been infused into what he was doing in the BX that the masses had followed... Influence isn’t this ominous thing where vague statements can make anyone who thinks critically kneel at the feet of perception, bcus perception is feelings not facts. And influence among the two groups in questions wasn’t equal and opposite or to the same degree … There doesn’t need to be a rapper as big as Bob Marley when he wasn’t a rapper or DeeJay, Marley isn’t bigger or more impactful than a multitude of musicians and artist from Blues to Soul and Funk.
Dancehall is no where near Hip Hop’s level of popularity and Marley and Dancehall certainly arent more impactful than the musical style itself. So that comment doesn’t make much sense outside shifting for perception re feelings
P.R.'s are in the middle when it comes to certain aspects of the culture and I get it. The 1st caller was on point too!
L.J. is making a lot of the facts plain. they know, ppl stop getting upset over the truth.
Thats a lie. Your pioneers said it with their own mouth they use to listen to american artist. We was making music before Jamaica. Look it up before you speak. We created about 7 different genres....not just hip hop.
Can’t take a dude seriously that doesn’t know Puerto Ricans aren’t Spanish , people from Spain are Spanish . Preaching about reading comprehension and has zero clue about Cultural comprehension.
Yes Prince Buster in Jamaica 1950’s mc-ing over the beats, music, Riddim!!!
LIVE VOICE ON THE BEAT WHILE IT PLAYS STILL RUNNING TINGS TODAY
I don't know why KRS 1 just won't give blk Americans the credit . So who created reggae and reggaeton
The Pee-Wee Herman the house parties Lord. Feed the True knowledge of Hip-Hop
Steve Martin dance black ppl made them up
Krs been a clown. He said you must protect bambatta no matter what he did.
KRS made the song "13 and Good." I've been questioning him ever since.
I don't agree with the bambatta thing. However I know better than to say Puerto Ricans are making arguments about whether this is a African Form of Music because We never have. Not to mention as aI pointed out earlier. I am darker than all of you. Puerto Rico has an African heritage more pronounced than the confused bands here trying to delineate who is a "Real" Black person. This shows a forgotten lesson all of us cherished about the Diaspora and who we are. WE are everywhere..except here in the U.S. where Being Black is as amorphous as Being white. Who is the Whitest ? The Brits? The Dutch? This is Bullshit. No PUerto Rican has or will ever make this comment. In additon No Puerto Rican will ever say they weren't part of the culture if they were.
Was he separating the art from the artist, like some people do with R.Kelly?
13:19 "how come black people aren't allowed to have anything for ourselves?" great question
Great question
The original man is feared by all the programming of society is becoming so obvious . Jamar is standing on his square💯
Struggle Olympics. They want any part of "Black" culture that can be monetized. They want the record contract, the out of the slum success story. At the same time they want to say we have no culture. I just finished watching a video on "Black" English. None of it makes sense to me, "I don't be got no." " I ain't be" this an that. Not a Black American in the video. Some foundation will give them money to put on "Black" Face.
Remember when they disrespected and hated on us for fist bumping? Now all the whiteboys do it
Damn it's a shame that we have to defend being the creators of Hip Hop. As a matter of fact we have to defend everything we created even building America
EXACTLY! Stop confusing participation with creation. Hip Hop is the #1 music genre in the world due to any and everybody's consumption and participation. HOWEVER.....THE CREATION OF IT ALWAYS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE BLACK AMERICAN MEN AND WOMEN...FULL STOP! You can't change what already happened lol, IDK what is wrong with folks. Hip Hop was birthed out of the black man and woman experience and narrative. How the hell can you create something you have no clue on!?!? That is also not being said, it was birthed from a place only BLACK MEN AND WOMEN had in this country. Stop the insanity. There is no more back n forth on this, the truth doesn't need defending. We are gonna say what the truth is and leave it at that!
What's understood doesn't have to be explained
Protect this man at all cost. The truth has no friends
KRS-One's philosophy on the conception of Hip Hop can be compared to an interracial relationship between a black and white couple. You know racism exist but you have to PRETEND that it doesn't to keep the peace in the relationship. KRS-One has Latino and Jamaican friends in Hip Hop that he doesn't want to alienate. FBAs have to bend and fold to hold on to people who just want to EAT off of us. Our own way of thinking is why we struggle so hard financially in life.
"Krs has Latino and Jamaican friend he doesn't want to alienate." Listen to yourself. Wouldn't that imply that he knows them to have influence Hip HOP along side him? What if they influenced HIM? IN addition what part of the Black diaspora are YOU from making you think your blackness is more valid than that of a Jamaican or Puerto Rican? You havne't learned anything from Hip HOp as a lifestyle which is What it is. The music reflects the culture . Not vice versa. IF the former were the case then trap and drill would be Hip HOp and it isn't Hip Hop is made so you can LIVE. The Industry wants to fool you into an early death.
hip hop was before him which nullifies all that BS you spit🪑🪑
@@lesserlight We have receipts but all you tethers have is hurt feelings. Leeches can't live once their blood supply is cut off. We are exposing you vampires.
@@ELROYJETT Hip hops was before you immigrants arrive. You can't find no Rican influences in hip hop because none exist. You came over here and like vampires latched on to our culture. Now you want to claim it as your own. You can't shine on your own creations so hey I understand why.
Lord Jamar is needed
Even though Lord Jamar was NOT a "founder"? 🤔
@@Mr._Moderate yup even tho
@@Conscious_Pookie_Tee2.7 just because you agree with him does NOT mean his take is correct.
How do you know he is therefore "needed"?
@Mr._Moderate his attitude is needed, the way his unapologetic nature and devotion to his truth is needed. The way he offered to sit down without hate and handle a situation without physical violence is dope to me.. Idc what you think homie. A mf like Lord Jamar is needed in this fucc up thing "we call a culture"
@@Conscious_Pookie_Tee2.7
If he disagreed with you you'd insult him though? 🤔
Crazy Legs said that breakin' was the "Morenos" on the documentary on Netflix. It's too late for him to switch up. Americans research and document too much for this Tethering of Black American culture.
@rotweilerscholar1181they’ve always been white boys whipping boys. Only reason they had proximity to us is because welcomed and allowed them to participate in our shit
What’s the name of the documentary?
Crazy leg from don't be a menace?
that snow head 😂
@@peacepocketThe Freshest Kids.
The annoying part is having a 16 year old in 2024 think he has more owness over the art than a 50 year old who was there .
That's what happens when you don't own nor control your art 👍
Personally, the concern I have is this: As a whole, and even musically speaking, the talented Black - Richly Melanated global community covers all planetary continents & countries; from Africa to Middle East; from Switzerland to Sweden; from Venezuela to Brazil; from Barbados to Jamaica; from Australia to Papua New Guinea & etc...
That said, likely the majority of the said 'Hip-Hop' musical input did indeed stem from those of the Black Diaspora; yet, being that music is a universal language, likely there also was some input (influence) from Asians, Mestizos as well other racial stocks. In the end, (especially whereas one may be Black North American, Black South American, Black African, Black European, Black Caribbean, Black Australoid, Black Pacific Islander & etc...) what's important is for the Black Diaspora to recognize their overall musical input while simultaneously also recognizing that music is indeed universal, for and from all people. Thus, the argument seemingly is futile.
Jamaicans didn’t have anything to do with hip hop most of us barely even fucked with Yankees and never paid attention to the culture or music or fashion we was rocking fishnet shirts and listening to reggae music and into clubbing hip hop was only black Americans and Puerto Ricans was guest to the culture those mfs was break dancing i came here 1979 straight from Kingston 11 into Brooklyn Newyork then we made it into jersey straight down philadelphia i was their hip hop culture was black Americans matter of fact we wasn’t even using two turntables down Jamaica back then the first time I seen a dj or sound system use two turntables was in Newyork i give credit where credit is Due
Thank you sir
@@jayshah9967 🤜🏾🤛🏾
You a fool bwoy. Hip hop and rap is 2 different things homie. If you talking about rap, some people say thank Dr Seuss and Shakespeare for that. Hip hop music different from rap, in how the music is produce, rapping on the version.
Righteous!
Salute for telling the truth. I’m a few years younger than you.
My real Puerto Ricans know blacks invented Hip Hop💯. Since the 40s
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💯🫡 and I’m Puerto Rican and I been knowing that
Keep speaking the facts lord we black Americans created hip-hop and everything else that is going on in America all the genres Keep speaking the facts God
Even as a little child back then, I always wondered how they said the Jamaicans created hip hop but I never could feel nothing about no Jamaican culture and energy radiating out of any hip hop record. I always thought this was off. The Puerto Rico /Latino claims is insulting and must always be silenced 🔕 wherever this debate pops up.
That's because no one ever said this until recent times
100% truth, 20 more years, Eminem created hip hop 😂
Cognitive dissonance is a mental discomfort that arises when a person holds two or more contradictory beliefs, values, or attitudes. This can lead to a state of tension and anxiety, as the person tries to reconcile their conflicting thoughts.
✔️ Logically, look into the current Puerto Rican culture hip hop doesn’t dominate there. Listen to the music that was playing at their Puerto Rican day parade. Did you hear James, Brown, r n b??? No!
✔️ West Indian parade do you hear R nB hip hop? All you hear is Soca and reggae?
✔️ Logically at that time it wasn’t too much of them around to even influence crap!! The language and accents??????? How could FBA gravitated to that. They didn’t care. FBA HAD THEIR OWN STYLE, struggles, food, music to worry about others. Immigrants had to come to USA to adapt not FBA adapting into theirs where language and dialects were different
Str8t Facts and underrated observation!! 💯
When you say language are you referring to English? The European invented language?.. what is the first n most relevant thing a race or group of ppl invent? Language.. even the native Americans have their own language that was almost completely stripped from them but the strength n belief in their culture is why a lot of them are currently learning that language.. the language, technology, business models hip-hop was created with n grew with is all european or at least foreign.. thing is when this debate comes up ppl only scratch the surface of what culture is.. dive deeper into culture n history. even the native Americans that witnessed Caucasians as once immigrants that overpowered them, understand that they can't completely eradicate their original language because once that happens, You could possibly lose your identity or respect as a ppl..
Good point and commonsense
James Brown was used for Breaks in Hip Hop. He isn't Hip Hop. If you say he is then in the same vien so is El Gran Combo and Willie Colon and no one is saying that either. Plus if you did attend a Puerto Rican parade youd see Puerto Ricans Darker than you who if the wren't there and could have a convo in English...think about that...with you , you would never quetion how "Black" they are. This is such a RIDICULOUS NON argument. NO Puerto Rican said or has said that this isn't a African Form of Music.
@@damonclark5742I'll ask you a question only your integrity can answer...
Does James Brown "dominate" with young black America today? 🤔
Krs 1 is nuts
I love this. There's a African proverb, "Until the lion tells the story, the hunter will always be the hero". Others say it, sometimes we say it, that Black people don't stick together but, when I say that the majority of us (FBA) have been on code all over, making sure that others don't try to falsely claim what's ours when it comes to Hip Hop culture. We need to stay this way and be this way about everything.
Who would proudly claim hip hop culture tho ?
@@blacklight3596 Evidently people who have no claim to it.
@@The11thchapter the replacement is serious 🧐& ppl putting capes on for others who identify white & take, & take & treatment from all democratic shields make it no better… our FBA lineage is very serious? It’s just jealous hearted ppl really think 💭 it’s their shit, but no 👎🏿 stop ✋🏿& make ur own blueprint stay out of the real black footprint 👣 settings 🛑
Facts. That’s why we have to hit the hoods in our Community and give them the game. Once our people can truly understand, they will get on Code. Can’t be on Code if I don’t know what u see, know.
Inform them on reparations, the financial system, immigration etc. They will be on Coded.
MLK and THE Panthers did the same thing. They had the info. And Put they people on what was going on, then the strategy came cause now everyone is on Coded. Grass Roots at its Finest.
Lets Finish what MLK Started with The Reparations. In 1968 He Said we coming to get OUR Check.”….. Must Get On Code. 🖤🗣
FACTZ!
Most of Pete Rock catalogue is based from FBA music. Nothing JA about his music.
Hes also known as “SouL Brother” where did he get that name from??
The musical part of hip hop took music from all over the world in the begining in ng..of course soul and rnb was a heavy influence..but so was Caribbean..brazilian.african and music from the whole world...hip hop literally samples music from around the planet
@@kingstonson9627because they where digging for records 😂😂 you take what you can out of the bargains and get shit popping. However notice when we started uses our people music how the genre took off 😂😂
Hip Hop took break beats from American artists first fuck what y'all talking bout
@@kingstonson9627Caribbean, Brazilian and African music in no way shape or form heavily influenced hip hop, particularly in its inception and does not heavily influence it now. Early hip hop artists clearly point out James Brown and his music not only as the primary influence but also as the primary inspiration. Hip Hop is a Black American cultural construct, that is why it emerged exclusively on U.S. soil not Caribbean, Latin or African soil.
@@kingstonson9627 That wasn’t Hip Hop, that was Disco tech, the sound that fueled Hip Hop’s existence was an American sound(s)
All of a sudden everyone was kumbayaing creating hip hop together... gtfoh!!!
Right. These 🇯🇲 and 🇵🇷 are very delusional. Til this day their music sucks and they can't even rap or rhyme for shit but they really believe that they helped create hip hop. I never ever in my life heard any FBA household play Jamaican or Puerto Rican music. We never got any of our style or influence from them but they get all of their style and influence from Foundational Black Americans. They had to take on our culture to be seen as "cool".
1. There is no "all of a sudden". People are a product of their environment.
2. If you were born and raised in New York you would know that New York is one of the most ethnically diverse cities in the world. To this day neighborhoods of all kinds of black people reside there
3. "Kumbaya" was attempted in Oregon and Levittown maybe a few other places 👍
Like I said before. Where were they when we created Blues, Rock & Roll, R&B, Soul, Funk, House, Disco, Chamber Music , Jazz etc. They knew nothing about it because there was no internet for them to copy us. Name 1 thing they created….
The God cooked on this one✊🏾🦉
Black Americans 🫵🏾 are the Gods of Hip Hop!
It's funny how 🇯🇲 don't go at 🇵🇷 for making Reggaeton. 🙏🏾
Nobody in Jamaica is claiming to originate hip hop (Yall silly to believe well thinking people would want to claim a genre that promotes nothing but self destruction and degeneracy 😅) Grow up and stop being ridiculed by others you think are laughing with you 😅
Reggaetons origins can be traced to Panama, P.E.A.C.E. Positive Education Always Corrects Errors
Of course they do cos its based on a popular Jamaican instrumental from the late 80s popularised by Jamaican artist shabba ranks hit song (dem bow). Search it on TH-cam and you'll hear the original Jamaican instrumental.
@@malcolmguevara5990 😂 are yall prepared to lie about everything at this point??
@@mikerageous1Reggaeton was created by the Panamanians and the PR stole it.
Salute to Lord Jamar for speaking up!.. Random: when he mentioned the Rock Steady Crew naming themselves rock steady and not "boricua crew" i thought of the Aretha Franklin song "rock steady" which was released in 1972, BEFORE the rock steady crew assembled... Busta said "America has no culture", but Black Americans are THE culture
My ancestors came to the US from Cape Verde, a group of islands off of the West Coast of Africa which was colonized by Portugal.
We're a mixture of various African ethnicities and Portuguese.
When my relatives came here (by choice) they had a "holier than thou" attitude, trying to separate themselves from the African Americans (even though CV islands are literally in African waters🤦🏿♂️).
My great great grandfather arrived here in the late 1800's, and by the 1960's my father and uncles joined the Black Panther Party, identifying themselves solely as black.
I've never even heard our native tongue being spoken. 💯
It’s a shame that we cannot be the original creators of anything without somebody else thinking they created it. Thank you for speaking 100% facts .❤
No Jamaican is claiming hip hop; a genre that promotes nothing but death, degeneracy and self destruction. Grow up 😅
Who is "we"?
In theory, does that also mean you to take 100% of the responsibility too? 🤔
Man I just keep comin back to this video, fam. This sh*t has so much replay value I’m zonin out 💯
Thank you Jamar for clearing that up!!!
You broke the Hip Hop debate down to the last compound and component!!!!! Teach on!!!!!!
Respectfully correct me if I'm wrong you did state that they came in 1976 prior to any film being made. Therefore if the agreed upon date is 1973. The term "wildstyle" was popularized by the Wild Style graffiti crew formed by Tracy 168 of the Bronx, New York in 1974 and was named after his crew, Wild Style.
The way LJ used the conception analogy...brilliant.
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The god 🙌🏽 lord Jamar stood tall respect
Black Americans Alone created Hip-Hop. Other ethnic groups were around it, witnessed it, and joined in but they had absolute nothing to do with starting it. Other ethnic groups are always trying to steal from Black American culture by taking credit for something they has no affiliation with. This is a prime reason Black Americans should stop allowing "others" to enter into our culture. In facts, in addition to Hip-Hop, Black Americans created Gospel, Jazz, R&B, Rap, Funk, Rock 'N Roll, Doo Wop, Country, Alternative, and many other genres of music. People need to do their research rather than speak recklessly on something they don't know about, though.
The Bronx was not segregated like Mississippi. Blk people didn't allow others to enter its because they lived in the same buildings. New York is not Mississippi or Alabama with that southern segregated mentality. That segregated mentality was NEVER a part of Hip Hop until Blk people from the south got their chance in Hip Hop, now they bringing that "FBA" segregated southern vibe into Hip Hop which us 100% wack!
@@LibraYall Blacks can do whatever we want with what "Our People Created." In fact, I believe it would be better if hip-hop was segregated since so many other racial groups are trying to take credit for developing it when they had absolutely nothing to do with it.
💯@@LibraYall
No disrespect to PR”s or Jamaicans. But some of them hate on us. Not all tho.
Hip hop does bring cultures together. That’s the positive out of it. It just shows how black Americans spread love & let others in.
@The-Lard310 I remember them playing dance to the dummers beat.
You know what I’m talking about?
@The-Lard310 yeah let's not act like pr wasn't calling hip hop moreno music in the beginning
Jamaicans hate everybody. And we also love everybody equally.
No Jamaican think they have a hand in Hip Hop - we know where and who and we salute, AND we were too busy with our own sh!t setting our own trends all over Europe and places as far as Japan. We had OUR sound and respected the AMERICAN sound and struggle. All this sh!t is media fallout designed to do what it's doing, on the ground out here we know what what's. I can't speak for PRs cos I ain't one of dem.
Lord Jamar speaking facts the 7isb always schooling people 💯
Rapping and brake dancing been around 90 years.Look up Brake dancing in 1930 the Mills Brothers.Its in our young brothers DNA .THE Latinos lying
You mean Nicholas Brothers
The MIlls brothers? The were a Vocal group. Not a dance group. YOu probably meant the Nichols brothers. Tap dancing included they were very acrobatic but it wasn't Hip HOp. This watery form of arguement does NOT work. Hip HOP created NONE of the elements. There were forms of these things IN and OUT Of the African American communites. Did Africans start Dj'ing? did they even come up with the names? Tagging existed OUTSIDE of Hip HOP. It was members of HIP HOP who brought these elements (these two being the foundation) to Hip HOP. So Hip HOp can be said to have elements that aren't African IN IT. That doesn't stop it from having a MUSICAL form of expression which isnt authentically Black or African. This being said the argument about Puerto Rican influence is no arguement. We influenced it and gues what? 50 years of doing this and this is the FIRST time this idea has been promoted as something valid. I have NEVER heard a Puerto Rican claim Hip HOP is anything but a African form of music. PLUS this may be a good time to actually study the Puerto Rican culture because people are trying to imply it isn't an African influenced and African descended population but nothing can be futher from the truth.
@@lesserlight They had the Lindy Hop in 1930 look up the definition for Hop in Dance in the 30s . Also look up meaning of Hip in the 1930s . Hip and Hop is at least a 100 years old. Most people don't know the meaning of Hip and Hop . But our young people got it in their DNA FROM our Ancestors
Yo, another crazy shit is that I don’t know what part of New York you grew up in. Black and Puerto Ricans roll deep together in the early 70s that I remember to the 80s and 90s I guess it’s only in the South Bronx that happens.🇵🇷🇵🇷🇩🇴🇩🇴💪🏽
I’m from Harlem & that’s not true B.
U dead rite bout EVERYTHING you said💯💯‼️‼️
Lord Jamar Destroys KRS One….. Willie Lynch at its finest once again.
28:09 ROCK STEADY released 1/24/72 by Aretha Franklin 💪🏾 I sho nuff heard Aretha Franklin in my head!!🎼 Let's call this song exactly what it is
(What it is, what it is, what it is)
It's a funky and low down feeling (What it is)
In my hips from left to right (What it is)
What it is I might be doing (What it is)💃🏽
Y’all know the song!🎉
They steal everything from blk people & lie & say they invented it … This has been going on for centuries and it’s gotten so blatant that they just doing it with Hard proof that they’re lying.
Not hard to see how the small hats were able to destroy hip hop when this is how krs1 behaves as an elder
Pete Rock Jamaican but he was born here. Same for heavy D and Kool Herc so I don’t understand where the problem lies
Jamaicans are the most loved and the most hated, gift and the curse.
There’s nothing new under the sun. We must understand why we are always the focus, no matter what is going on and infinite amounts of money is spent to maintain the secret. Much love and respect to the community.👑
Black American aka American Indian is American history,so is hip hop 😮
KRS was wrong when he tried to imply that hip hop was created in the South Bronx. Even MC Shan corrected him on that. Hip hop started in the West Bronx. This is really a schizm between first generation hip hoppers and 2nd and 3rd generation hip hoppers. The first generation is 1971-75. The second generation is 1976-79. Then the third generation is the early to mid '80s. When hip hop left the Bronx in the late '70s, which would've been after the blackout and after bicentennial, that's when other areas started doing their thing and the myths grew. Because each spot was laying claim to the birth of the culture. The Puerto Ricans didn't really come about until the early '80s. They were 3rd generation. There were a few Morenos in the 1st generation, but they posed as FBA. They didn't come out as PR. That's what I think this is all about. The first 3 generations of hip hop clashing over who started what and who was there.
Look, Latinos had nothing at all to do with hip hip, they came in when breaking and graffiti...but hip hop started with the music. Taking disco, r and b and funk records blinding them to make a new sound. Then we added drums. Drum machines. This is before sampling...before it was called hip hop. It was BugaLoo...then came the dancing, crews, graffiti. But the music came first. Yes there was always dancing...but we talking hip hop dancing...street dancing popping locking etc...I cant believe this is conversation...Latino culture had absolutely nothing to do with it.
@The-Lard310 This is no different then modern day sampling. This has nothing to do with Latino, or German culture...I know who Kraftwerk is. They was fire...what your more talking about the music from other culture as was used. But not their culture..
Hip Hop started with the MUSIC? NO it didn't. It started with a form of playing music that ALL kinds of people came and listened to ..mainly R and B. Hip Hop is a culture with a form of music that reflects the culture. That it is just music is what the music industry proports and the music industry is where Hip Hop goes to DIE. They don't believe in Hip HOp and the artists are just tools to make money who can barely control their image in the smallest amount of cases. In the others they cant. So Hip Hop is OUTSIDE the industry. Within the industry these execs work with Cointelpro. In addition ..why don't you tell Tony Toca he didn't have anything to do with Hip HOP. or the Dj from mantronix, Bro. please stop. History says differently and Lord Jamal with THIS argument is leading alot of people astray. It isn't right and how he is explaining it is not how it went down. Puerto Rican have never claimed it wasnt an African form of Music. He is conflating that with the ORIGINAL argument which is whether Puerto Ricans influenced Hip Hop and the answer to that is yes. To get a no he has to rephrase the statement and conflate the argument. Hip Hop brings people together bro. Punk Rock and Hip HOP were even side by side by the time Rappers Delight dropped. Blondie never claimed it wasn't a Black form of music either. NO ONE did and NO one is other than cat's arguing for no reason or who don't understand what the African Diaspora is.
@lesserlight Bro no disrespect, but what the hell are you talking about!!??? First, it's Lord Jamar...please. No one is saying Ricans, Jamaicans, chinese, African even whites did play a part in the growth and evolution of hip hop. Maybe your late to the conversation...The argument is simply that black American culture birth hip hop. And that no other culture, now listen...culture influenced it. Not that Ricans didn't participate. But they participate in Black culture...thats it. Thats all...most if not all you said had nothing to do with the conversation. Respectfully...
Puerto Ricans even came after black Americans with Graffiti and Breakdancing too
@jayshah9967 Your wrong...completely, infact you couldn't be more wrong.
Nobody is taking latinos seriously 😂😂
I lost respect for Busta and KRs1 with this topic. FBA influenced everything in our proximity.
So what makes you more Black than every other Black in the diaspora especially since you aren't connected to them? Make it make sense. There is no such thing as an FbA. The foundation was set by Africans.
They should be thanking us African Americans off the bat. And at the beginning of every ceremony and event GIVE THANKS TO FBAs.
Black Spades from the BX been breakdancing heavy since the mid 1960s until the early 1970s and they put it down because they was tired of getting dirty from dancing😂And when they put it down, the Puerto Ricans picked it up around 1975-1976.
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Nah my boy BX is different than anywhere else across the country. Puerto Ricans was also members of the Spades and Zulu Nation. I don't have any problems saying rapping started by American black people same as Jazz music, Rock & Roll, and changing the entire music scene for decades at a time. The contribution to American music is crazy. Instead of arguing who made hip hop the narrative should be let's preserve hip hop in its original form not to celebrate the genocide of people. I'm Puerto Rican grew up in the BX during the 80's. The question was who's the best rapper Big Daddy Kane, Kool G Rap or Rakim. That argument would cause fights. I rolled with the 18th letter we ain't have one until Big Pun. Who you think Pun idolized? Kool G Rap. G Rap said he loved Pun and said that many times.
I really hate this American black vs Latino hip hop shit Puerto Ricans Cubans Dominicans and everything in between them islands are black they are brothers and sisters 💯
@rotweilerscholar1181 💯💯💯
@rotweilerscholar1181 Let's really talk facts lil bro the original discussion was on regards to Hip Hop the Black Spades didn't start Hip Hop they was a street gang. The Zulu Nation didn't start Hip Hop matter of fact no one was rocking none of the Zulu Nations style they looked like the Village People. They didn't even call Bam Baata out for being a ped o file. Lord Jamar and KRS1 deflected far from the obvious. Why should the Zulu Nation be praised why should the Spades be praised what was their actual contribution to the community?
The more i read through this comment section is the more i understand that there will always be division between people of the same colour, even despite everyone and their ancestors coming from one single continent.
Not always. I share your disappointment though. Lord Jamar knows better than this.
Blame that on the people that like to keep pushing lies and myths, even when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary
Yo peace lord jamar just responded to someone Godbody named born infinity my cousin is the original born infinity from Brooklyn i wonder if that's him r.i.p to my cousin Marty who name i rock U-savior
Damn he speaking facts
💣 *"Nuff Respect"*
To Lord JAMAR,
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Who Is of,
*Afro-GUYANESE HERITAGE*. ❗️🤔💭⏱️
KRS 1 is getting paid for his Lying
I b thinking the same thing, to cause confusion, that how they do
He a Mason
Krs is relying it how it happened. YOU and others are the ones acting like you don't see what you are seeing or don't know what you learned about the African Diaspora as a whole. This is a foolish arguement that is doing NOTHING but dividing Blacks along IMAGINARY non connected lines. IN addition it is a distraction from the many Revolutions going on pertinent to us as a people. There are Black Puerto Ricans who were there and just didn't call you Carlos. I was one of them. This arguement is baseles because it started out as did Puerto Ricans contribute to Hip Hop and as History shows the answer is yes. No Puerto Rican I have ever spoken to within or Without of my family EVER questioned whether this is an African form of Music. So he isn't sticking to topic and only causing division, confusion, and non sense in the name of clicks and views. That isn't Hip Hop. That's Revision and counter intelligence.
#Grand wizard Carlos wouldn't work &,
#Grand wizard Julio wouldn't work 🤦🏾🤣🤣💀
I'm a 70's child (FBA) and I'm glad that this generation is compassionate enough to do the research. Stay strong, stay healthy and young because we're going to need it❤
Dam I’m glad somebody points this out I have been saying this forever he isn’t even from the Bronx he claims the Bronx but he is actually from BK and have been wrong about so much about this history of Black Americans so yes he will be wrong about Alot because he doesn’t come from Black Americans bloodlines so it is in his interest to push this false narrative!
What is an FBA?
Jamar spittin all facts, y'all didn't create this. You participated but built no!!! That's just history like it or not
He is 100% correct and that’s the end of the conversation
No He isn't and the fact you cant see it isn't impressive.
LORD JAMAR IS ONE OF THE LAST REALLLLLLL BLACK AMERICAN MEN FOR REALLLLLLL..LOVEEEE THIS MAN KEEP SPEAKING FACTSSSSSSS MR JAMAR
Puerto Ricans in the Bronx loved that Aretha Franklin record. “Rock Steady Baby!” #rocksteadycrew
EXACTLY - real one’s know where they stole that name from and the music from that very same iconic song | B1 |⭐
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@@TheCodifiedNetwork what it is! 🎵🎶✊🏾
PEACE GOD! WE STARTED IT AND WE NEED TO KEEP IT AND PROTECT IT BCUZ IT WUZ GIVEN TO US BY A HIGHER POWER...
Keep speaking the truth my brotha.
✌🏽Lord, thanks for standing on your square.. 💪🏽
PEACE = Proper Education Always Corrects Errors!
Beloved this was needed-
Cognitive dissonance is the discomfort a person feels when their behavior does not align with their values or beliefs. Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon that occurs when a person holds two contradictory beliefs at the same time.
I’m so glad some of us are standing on business about our culture. No one would allow us to steal thier stuff it’s only right.
Thank you Lord Jamar thanks for having the heart to speak on this topic so many blacks are afraid to keep it real on.
We've been saying this. But, it's all about who people like. Been said for many years, now alot of tethers time is up. Go back and build up this culture where you comr from. 🇺🇸🏹Only
If Krs said that then Jamar has every right to snap, I done already thru out busta rhymes and fat Joe!
This is crazy KRS didn’t say they created it, he said they played a part which they did.
He said they were there at the beginning. That's pretty much saying they created it.
I was born and raised in Bushwick in 69 . I saw PR and Black people in the parks around 76 when hip hop first started . My experience was that blacks and Latinos were on the ground in the inception of hip hop . Black folks birthed hip hop, but Latinos were right there tagging & break dancing .. I WAS THERE !
@@JohnWick-gl6mwjust say Jacking the style cuz that's all it was
@@JohnWick-gl6mwwe planted the grass,yall mowed it....
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Peace Lord respect Hip Hop History 1000
Speak the truth..... Luv and Truth are two different things!!!!
I'm glad I watched this. He made it clear. History is factual and not always reflective of our ideals.
If what they say is true then why don't they have documentation or tangible proof to back their claims. They need to provide actual posters, leaflets, promoting and advertisements of block parties, hall parties, battle throw downs etc. We have all of those functions well documented . Where is their proof?
KRS is speaking to the culture including the 5 elements. Hip H😊p is not just about the music. He is actually correct. Black people were not alone in trying to end the gang fights in NY. PR was involved. This is crazy to even speak about. I'm good. Live your trueth.... I'm good.
Whatever you trying to say FBA’s created Hip Hop….PERIOD END OF THE STORY‼️‼️‼️
What is troubling is the unwillingness to give FBA the autonomous respect that is theirs....smh.
Thank You!!
Damn son, you want some power hating shit. I know you can’t be from the Bronx at least not from the south Bronx. You act like two first rap groups didn’t have Spanish cats in it. Call crush fearless five. Slow down . You should look for tape master. I’m gonna make my mission to find those tapes Bronx all day. I know somebody in Bronx River might have them or a Huntspoint Don let it get to your head now. And I’m removing all ya songs from my playlist.
You buggin
Lord the earth is also not flat my guy 💯
And Puerto Ricans have African blood 🩸 tainos and Indians so now we right back to the same point
The fact you stated that 2 weeks ago and these cats are on here with these ridiculous statements and comments shows the difference between someone who KNOWS self and someone who is willing to confuse those who don't. Puerto Ricans come darker than Krs and are American citizens. This is akin to a Cointelop on LJ's part. He is acting like he doesn't know this and I know he does. All conversations like this do is cause division.
@@lesserlight What statements are ridiculous? That hip hop was created by black people? That's a fact.....I'm from the Eastside of Harlem aka "Spanish Harlem" and grew up with blacks and Puerto Ricans. Although some were good to black people, the majority of them hated us, it wasn't us who hated them so don't get it twisted. They came with the hate. Yall are guests in hip hop so deal with it. We don't try to claim nothing of Hispanics. Its laughable that this is even a convo.
KRS-1 is the newest member of the Fat Joe and King Tone Club. SMDH.
Our parents conceived hip hop, and we were birthed from it… it’s time to talk about the Great Migration aka African American Exodus since these mfs never bothered to listen and learn