The 110gr load was made as a mid-range loading as an alternative to full power loads. Much easier to control, yet more power than .38+P or .38+P+. Winchester and Federal loaded identical loadings. Remington also loaded a 125gr mid-range at 1,235fps from the 4"ers. They were very good loads for the moderately trained but the semi-automatic was eclipsing the revolver. It seems for .36 caliber service sidearms, 110-115grns at 1300fps or 124-125grns at 1250fps seem to be the best balance for the well trained pistolero......
Back in the 80s & 90s before XTP, Gold Dot & such we called these Remington Rosebuds. And we found the 44 magnum 240s and 357 Magnum 125, 140 & 158s to all be very reliable mushroom/expansion in all of our crude media we shot them in.....Water jugs, wet & dry newspapers and magazines, sand & etc. The old Hornady JHP & these semi-jacketed Remington outperformed Sierra, Speer, Winchester. Huge thanks.
I've used 110g and 125g 1980s vintage Remington SJHP bullets exactly like this for hunting many years. Still have them in my stash. They are loaded right and I get similar speeds as shown here. I can tell you without a doubt after taking wild game with these bulllets, it is no doubt a great round in real world applications. 8:26
And really back in the day (1974) my county police department issued the Model 66 Smith loaded with the 110 grain Super Vel .357 round. It stopped who was shot with it quite effectively. I use the 125 grain Remington scallop jacketed .357, the one you tested, in my .357s... It does not have to be a new high tech bullet to be effective...
Another good one Tools ! I picked up HTP +p 125 38 Special for my wife to run in her edc , that said ill definitly pick up the 125 in 357 for my tools ! 357 has made a comeback lately !
The .357 magnum is my favorite defensive handgun round. I like them a little heavier. Ive read that the .357 has been downloaded, since the 90s, because of small revolvers being damaged. Has anyone else heard of this?? 110gr were known to cut Smith and Wesson frames, under the forcing cone. Love a .357 magnum in the 7 and 8 shot revolvers!!❤❤
@@ToolsandTargetsTools, thanks for the .357 and 10mm content! Thanks also as I too am addicted to the 10mm and really appreciate you testing all the ammo! Underwood and Buffalo Bore for me!
The original 357 loading was a 158gr bullet at over 1500fps, so yeah, it's been downloaded. S&W K frame revolvers were being damaged in the 80's from a steady diet of Magnum rounds before they came out with the L frame. Don't know if that what you heard, and I can't say if that's the reason the round got downloaded.
Way back in the late 1980s when I was just starting my LEO career (dispatching and reserving the first couple years), I had a S&W Model 66 2 1/2" barrel and 110 gr SJHP .357s are what I carried in it. For a time I had a 4" Model 19 and that's what I had in it simply because that was all the factory HPs I had on hand (I was poor then, LOL). Later I got some 125s and even started reloading and experimenting. I kept the 110s in the snubby because I could shoot it much faster and they still shot to point of aim. I learned later on that they were less powerful than the 125s to prevent flame cutting of the top strap of the old K-frames, and probably weren't the "best" for self-defense overall. However, in a straight-on face-to-face shooting, I imagine they'd have been fine. Fortunately, I didn't have to find out for sure. ;) Anyway, Remington 125s are what are in my .357s today.
The 110 grain load is slower by design. It is loaded that way to prevent flame cutting by the forcing cone. It has to do with the timing of the bullet jump through the cylinder gap and the peak of the pressure curve. Great test!
My thoughts exactly! Plus the possibility of bullet core construction is, likely designed for controlled expansion at that velocity and bullet weight combined, but it's performance shown in the video, was only marginally better, from what 110's typically do for penetration. Great video T&T.
@@ToolsandTargets LuckyGunner did a revolver test a few years ago and obtained similar results, although the 158gr HTP performed best in both 2" and 4" barrels. I don't know if they make the 158gr any longer though. I see they have 110, 125 and 180gr now.
It’s good to see that Remington is still loading their HTPs up right. You really can’t beat these or even the green and white box if you get em for the right price, which is hard to do these days.
Great test as always! 110 is made milder for snub CCW recoil. Same with Winchester White Box. Used to call them 357 light. Both good, so shoot the 125 out of big gun and 110 out of sub.
👏AWESOME. I gave my dad a box of the 110gr 38 spec +p for his home defense gun because they don’t kick much, and he can handle them. These SJHP bullets are still on top for expansion.👏
This was a very informative video. I am a big fan of the 357, but always shied away from the 110 grain projectiles. I will continue to do so given the shown ballistics. I have watched your channel for years and love the witty transition to the gel blocks.
Good test Tools. I generally don't like 110gr since the old days when 110gr would cause flame cutting on revolvers. Probably old wives tales but you never see 110gr practice ammo anyway so I avoid it, also sometimes they have a fireball effect. But that 125gr did great I think. Would love to see the 158gr +P Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point (LSWCHP), Remington makes a version of it, Federal & Underwood make them as well.
I really liked the old Remington .357s from 20+ years ago. I bought a bunch of the 125g Remington bullets and loaded them to the same velocity as the factory loads for my practice ammo. But for the last 10 years or so, I've been shooting .38 SPL+P in my 2.5" Ruger SP101, and in wet newspaper it seems to do the job with good expansion and penetration. Thanks for your gel tests!
I have been watching some of your older videos from about three years ago. You have definitely grown and improved a lot. Over 90K subs now for a reason. Thanks for the useful ammo tests. Just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
in the last 5 years I think I've only bought ten box's of pistol and revolver ammunition as I reload .but I bought the Remington 357 hst in125 and 158gr and greatly impressed with expansion out of 2in 605 and 3in 605 3in barrels. I highly recommend them both as a combination of self defense ammunition and self defense revolvers. papa wishing you well 😊
I’m always entertained and educated with your videos. The icing on the cake is that my 10 and 12 year old grandkids can watch your videos with me. It means a lot to me to being able to share my passion with them. Appreciate you brother!
I vaguely remember from the old (pre semi auto) days that the 110's were popular with the older guys who had trouble qualifying with 125's due to injuries and arthritis.
And the winner of the 110 vs 125 grain HTP is.....the 158 grain! It sure did a fine job in that previous & excellent presentation with the 3". But for the ladies tough enough for a 357 snub the 110 might just offer a great compromise. One thing you can't convey other than to just tell us is how ear-splitting loud those 125s are from a 2". I'd like to see you wearing muffs and plugs with that stuff. Not busting your balls just thinking about the major contributions you've made to this community. I have some tinnitus from using 357 mag out of a 4" for self defense decades ago. My hearing never fully recovered.
Great review! As old time law enforcement stats show .357 Magnum 125 grain HP has a 90 to 98% stopping power.... Cartridges such as .357 Magnum in that grain weight were never the issue, capacity for future law enforcement (ie More cartridges such as 15 cartridges of 9MM) to equate that .357 Magnum stopping power in 125 grain is why so many 9MM cartridges are needed to stop the perp! . .357 Magnum in 125 grain does not have that problem.
Saw a man shot with 1 .357 125gr, upper chest. He had to explain to God about his evil ways. #2, Father-in-law, didn't like his son-in-law arguing with his daughter (no domestic violence) and went to their house to stop it. The 2 men git to fighting. Father-in-law shoots son-in-law in the chest with a 230gr FMJ, .45. Bullet hits the breast bone, turned straight down, and nicked the liver. Son-in-law survived and Father-in-law went to prison. Bullets do strange things!
A good friend of mine was a homicide detective with the Atlanra Police back in the day. He specifically mentioned the 125 grain round as being very effective out on the street...
The 110, IIRC, was developed to make lighter recoiling, more of a “medium velocity” load especially for magnum snub nosed revolvers. With that in mind, what you have shown makes sense. At 64, I have seen these things come and go.
Thanks! Another great video. Always nice to have ammo options. Wonder how they would do out of my Henry Rifle. Stay safe and stay dangerous. God bless.. Sarge
It's violent. Having shot them side-by-side with the Remington 158 gr. SJHP, I find it much easier to control the 158's, and I can shoot very nice groups at distance with them. I only have 4 and 6 inch barrels in .357, so still plenty of velocity for expansion. I do have a 2 inch .38, and I love the Remington 125 gr. SJHP .38 Sp. +P in that.
The 110 grain SJHP was the Border Patrol’s last revolver duty round. They were “spicy” from a four inch Security Six, Model 66, or 686. Mostly Federal but the Remingtons and Winchester’s may have also been on the contract. They replaced the 110 grain +P+ .38 Special “Treaury” load. They seemed to work.
I believe that the manufacturer's adjust the velocity of the rounds to match the bullets performance. The 110 may just explode at a higher velocity so they lower the velocity to match bullet performance. I believe that is why you will see some defensive cartridges that usually run at higher velocities, clocking in at slower speeds than the Sammi spec for the cartridge. They build the velocity to the bullet, not to the spec of the cartridge.
The 110gr is downloaded to try and keep the projectile together.... driven at max velocities it would absolutely explode in 2-3". 125 SJHP at max velocities is the OG man stopper out of 4" duty guns. Obviously pretty good out of a 2" as well.
125 in 2” or 3” is an outstanding choice I’ve carried 110 and 125 in these barrel lengths Practice with 110 grain is very light recoil in Ruger SP101 I’m thinking the Federal 125 grain is a bit harder lead composition and is my choice in 5-6” revolvers However, heavier weight bullets in longer barrels gives better penetration with comparable expansion “.357 send them to heaven “ love that line of yours
I can't say specifically about this ammo, but I know from hand loading other types of 110 hollow points, they advise slower speeds to keep them from grenading. Speer actually says not to load their 110 in 357, only 38 and 38 +p.
@@ToolsandTargets yeah that 110 was moving way too fast. Really affected the penetration depth. These scalloped semi jacketed projectiles don't really need blazing speeds to open up.
TT's gonna need the tweezers to clean up these blocks. I'd go with the 125gr but I totally agree with you the 110 should have been blazing towards 1400fps not 1100.
Nice to see a Remington round perform well. Generally speaking, most of their defensive ammo is junk. Even their fmj stuff is slow compared to most other ammo makers.
The 110’s would probably be a good choice for one of the LW 2 inch tools. The 125’s would be a great choice for my 2.5 Mod 19. I’ve used the 158’s in my lever gun but not the lighter weights. Thanks for another jelly test Tools!
I concur. I run the proven Federal 357B in my 340PD. Yes it's painful! That's the only 357 round I carry in any length barrel. The Remington 125gr would be my second choice.
40+ years ago, the 110 gr notoriously and consistently came up short in Police forensics. The Remington 125 gr. gained great popularity as early stainless revolver forcing cones were cracking under the Federal 125 gr.’s (Former #1) sharp shoulders (Original design). IMHO, the Remington was better anyway, but Federal had great marketing behind it back then. Once LEOs realized how much better the Remington was, there was no turning back. To this day, this “Old School” round is still holding its own.
This stuff was my favorite commercial load for .357 Magnum before I learned about full power loads from Underwood, Buffalo Bore, etc. Might not be "true" .357 Magnum power, but it performs decently enough if you can't get good premium stuff.
Lead by its nature is molecularly cohesive. Leaving so much exposed past the copper helps it expand as does the speed. The trick is to alloy the lead hard enough so it doesn't frag off but not hard enough its brittle or wont expand
I carry those 125s in my 2.25 inch Ruger. In every test I’ve done with them that ring of lead peels off leaving the overall expanded diameter to only be about 45-50 cal. You are at the very borderline of how fast you can push those without that ring coming off.
Great snubby test! That 125 is pretty spicy from the 2”. Definitely one I’d carry if I put the 642 in my pocket. Very rarely but I do once in a while. Another great short barrel test my friend 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
Great video! I have the 110 version in my snubby as well....definitely not great for plinking, but not unpleasant like most .357 Ive shout out of a snubby. The 125ers look theyd be awesome out of my 6 inch Taurus 66.....though Im currently using 158 grain.
I think Remington was doing the same thing Winchester was doing with their 110 grain White Box load. A mid-range defensive load without quite as much rage at the muzzle as the full power stuff.
125. I have two 6 inch revolvers, I like the longer sight radius and the little extra power over a 4 inch is appreciated too. I hardly use the revolvers because I stopped reloading and factory ammo is so watered down, I just bought a 9mm and if I need more than that I use a 44 Magnum or a rifle.
I bought a few boxes of the 125gr based on your last test. Indeed, nice and spicy out of my 3 inch. Might get some fragspansion though that's not a worry. Appreciate the great test.
The 158gn 38spl in HTP is awesome. Assume they load it in 357mag. Would love to see both those rounds side by side out of this same 2". Great test, Tools. Found some viewers a very fine round.
Around the house and small town i carry a 3" 357mag with extreme hunter in it. But my speeds have these 125's and the other strip has Barnes. 357 still does the job really well.
I would LOVE to see you test .357 Federal Hammer Down 170 grain Bonded Hollow points. They’re saying 1650fps with 988 ft pounds of energy on the box and federal is usually pretty accurate with their box stats. It’s a mean round and it’s up there with buffalo boar 125 but with a lot bigger bullet.
My old issue duty ammo was Super Vel 125. gr. Spicy stuff! These looked good and out of my ported 3" K frame sized gun, 125gr. is my choice. Great job as always!
Hey, thanks for great content as usual. I have a video idea for 357 mag: Federal American Eagle 158 grain jacketed soft point is not a "premium" round. Federal markets it as an ammunition that is useful for target shooting and self defense if necessary. What's interesting though is that as far as comparable 357 mag is concerned, it is relatively inexpensive and widely available. Some have speculated that it could be an awesome deer hunting round if fired from a lever action rifle because the soft point would expand more than from a revolver but still get good penetration. It would be interesting to see how this "budget" 357 ammo compares to the premium stuff
For 2 to 3 in .357's i prefer pressures between .357 mag and .38 Spl. +P. 158 gr to 180 gr lead hollow point (GT Bullets) at 925-950 fps. Mild recoil & blast, expansion, decent penetration. Several powders can do this. I like CFE-P.
Back in the 70s and 80s, Rugers Speed Six & Security Six snubbies (I think they're 3") had a warning in the metal of the barrel not to run 110gr 357. It was my understanding that loaded to full pressure, the 110 grain projectile, due to the shorter length, could leave the shell inside the chamber when another round was fired. Kinda like a kinetic or inertia bullet puller. Thinking maybe that's why this is loaded a good bit lighter.
Nope, stated ballistics would be from a 4 inch test barrel. The 125 grain load at 1400-1450 fps is full power and is the load that can damage the forcing cone of the S&W K-frame revolvers that have the one-piece barrel and the flat spot on the bottom edge of the barrel extension. The 110 grain load at 1250-1300 fps is full power and about what you will get from a 4 inch barrel revolver. The 125 grain bullet is the lightest weight that you can really use very slow burning ball powder. With the 110 grain bullet, the very slow burning ball powder will not burn anywhere near completely, so there would be a lot of partially burned powder fouling the revolver and burning well beyond the muzzle. The 110 grain loads use a faster burning powder in order to burn efficiently, but that also means less velocity at maximum safe operating pressure.
As an LEO in the early 80’s. I can say the 125 was the king of the streets!
You sure have the clearest ballistic gel of any tester on youtube and do a great job of testing thanks!!!
The 110gr load was made as a mid-range loading as an alternative to full power loads. Much easier to control, yet more power than .38+P or .38+P+. Winchester and Federal loaded identical loadings. Remington also loaded a 125gr mid-range at 1,235fps from the 4"ers. They were very good loads for the moderately trained but the semi-automatic was eclipsing the revolver. It seems for .36 caliber service sidearms, 110-115grns at 1300fps or 124-125grns at 1250fps seem to be the best balance for the well trained pistolero......
Back in the 80s & 90s before XTP, Gold Dot & such we called these Remington Rosebuds. And we found the 44 magnum 240s and 357 Magnum 125, 140 & 158s to all be very reliable mushroom/expansion in all of our crude media we shot them in.....Water jugs, wet & dry newspapers and magazines, sand & etc. The old Hornady JHP & these semi-jacketed Remington outperformed Sierra, Speer, Winchester. Huge thanks.
Now I can't unsee the Roses!😆
@@ToolsandTargets for me dude, I still wish the Black Talons were still being produced!!!
The 125 grain is better than I expected from such a small barrel. Thanks for sharing, I appreciate you.
Thanks for the test brother.
I'll take the 125s all day long and twice on Sundays
The fact that the 110gr HTP got that much expansion was a pleasant surprise
I've used 110g and 125g 1980s vintage Remington SJHP bullets exactly like this for hunting many years. Still have them in my stash.
They are loaded right and I get similar speeds as shown here. I can tell you without a doubt after taking wild game with these bulllets, it is no doubt a great round in real world applications.
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And really back in the day (1974) my county police department issued the Model 66 Smith loaded with the 110 grain Super Vel .357 round.
It stopped who was shot with it quite effectively.
I use the 125 grain Remington scallop jacketed .357, the one you tested, in my .357s...
It does not have to be a new high tech bullet to be effective...
Where did you get the information that it stopped who was shot with it? Can you share your sources with us?
@@timrobinson6573It’s a well known statistical fact that full power .357 has an extremely high one shot stop consistency among handgun cartridges.
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@@robgoins3672It’s not a statistical fact.
It’s an anecdote from a fictional Paladin Press book from 30 years ago.
@@rifleshooterchannel208Stroudsburg Tests, From France. Yes, it was a good read.
Another good one Tools ! I picked up HTP +p 125 38 Special for my wife to run in her edc , that said ill definitly pick up the 125 in 357 for my tools ! 357 has made a comeback lately !
Thank you sir.😎👊
The Remington 110 SJHP .357 Mag was the USMS Service Round. It was designed to be 1300 fps from a 4”.
The .357 magnum is my favorite defensive handgun round. I like them a little heavier. Ive read that the .357 has been downloaded, since the 90s, because of small revolvers being damaged. Has anyone else heard of this??
110gr were known to cut Smith and Wesson frames, under the forcing cone.
Love a .357 magnum in the 7 and 8 shot revolvers!!❤❤
Seems like a lot of rounds have been watered down lately.
@@ToolsandTargetsTools, thanks for the .357 and 10mm content! Thanks also as I too am addicted to the 10mm and really appreciate you testing all the ammo! Underwood and Buffalo Bore for me!
The original 357 loading was a 158gr bullet at over 1500fps, so yeah, it's been downloaded. S&W K frame revolvers were being damaged in the 80's from a steady diet of Magnum rounds before they came out with the L frame. Don't know if that what you heard, and I can't say if that's the reason the round got downloaded.
Way back in the late 1980s when I was just starting my LEO career (dispatching and reserving the first couple years), I had a S&W Model 66 2 1/2" barrel and 110 gr SJHP .357s are what I carried in it. For a time I had a 4" Model 19 and that's what I had in it simply because that was all the factory HPs I had on hand (I was poor then, LOL). Later I got some 125s and even started reloading and experimenting. I kept the 110s in the snubby because I could shoot it much faster and they still shot to point of aim.
I learned later on that they were less powerful than the 125s to prevent flame cutting of the top strap of the old K-frames, and probably weren't the "best" for self-defense overall. However, in a straight-on face-to-face shooting, I imagine they'd have been fine. Fortunately, I didn't have to find out for sure. ;) Anyway, Remington 125s are what are in my .357s today.
The 110 grain load is slower by design. It is loaded that way to prevent flame cutting by the forcing cone. It has to do with the timing of the bullet jump through the cylinder gap and the peak of the pressure curve. Great test!
Thank you sir.😎👊
My reloading manual basically said 110 gr is the devil🤣.
Same reason a 158 grain is recommended for a Smith 19. 125 grains sometimes led to forcing cone splits.
My thoughts exactly! Plus the possibility of bullet core construction is, likely designed for controlled expansion at that velocity and bullet weight combined, but it's performance shown in the video, was only marginally better, from what 110's typically do for penetration. Great video T&T.
Pretty sure another reason is the 110 grain severely under penetrates due to violent expansion at higher velocities.
“It came black for seconds on the expansion buffet.” Too True! 👍👍👍👍
That 125gr was impressive through a 2" barrel. 🇺🇸
I thought so too.
@@ToolsandTargets LuckyGunner did a revolver test a few years ago and obtained similar results, although the 158gr HTP performed best in both 2" and 4" barrels. I don't know if they make the 158gr any longer though. I see they have 110, 125 and 180gr now.
It’s good to see that Remington is still loading their HTPs up right. You really can’t beat these or even the green and white box if you get em for the right price, which is hard to do these days.
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Great test as always! 110 is made milder for snub CCW recoil. Same with Winchester White Box. Used to call them 357 light. Both good, so shoot the 125 out of big gun and 110 out of sub.
Thank you sir.😎👊
👏AWESOME. I gave my dad a box of the 110gr 38 spec +p for his home defense gun because they don’t kick much, and he can handle them. These SJHP bullets are still on top for expansion.👏
This was a very informative video. I am a big fan of the 357, but always shied away from the 110 grain projectiles. I will continue to do so given the shown ballistics. I have watched your channel for years and love the witty transition to the gel blocks.
Good test Tools. I generally don't like 110gr since the old days when 110gr would cause flame cutting on revolvers. Probably old wives tales but you never see 110gr practice ammo anyway so I avoid it, also sometimes they have a fireball effect. But that 125gr did great I think. Would love to see the 158gr +P Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point (LSWCHP), Remington makes a version of it, Federal & Underwood make them as well.
I really liked the old Remington .357s from 20+ years ago. I bought a bunch of the 125g Remington bullets and loaded them to the same velocity as the factory loads for my practice ammo. But for the last 10 years or so, I've been shooting .38 SPL+P in my 2.5" Ruger SP101, and in wet newspaper it seems to do the job with good expansion and penetration. Thanks for your gel tests!
I have been watching some of your older videos from about three years ago. You have definitely grown and improved a lot. Over 90K subs now for a reason. Thanks for the useful ammo tests. Just wanted to say Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
Rounds look good.i usually got 158 grain loaded.😊
in the last 5 years I think I've only bought ten box's of pistol and revolver ammunition as I reload .but I bought the Remington 357 hst in125 and 158gr and greatly impressed with expansion out of 2in 605 and 3in 605 3in barrels. I highly recommend them both as a combination of self defense ammunition and self defense revolvers. papa wishing you well 😊
Thank you sir 😎👊
I’m always entertained and educated with your videos. The icing on the cake is that my 10 and 12 year old grandkids can watch your videos with me. It means a lot to me to being able to share my passion with them. Appreciate you brother!
The lack of profanity is a nice change. My 12 year old son watches these with me.
Appreciate that. I'm no saint but I do try to keep the videos clean so everybody can watch.😎👊
I wonder how the 158 HTPs would go through such a short barrel
I think I might have tested those but can't remember what barrel length.🤔
About 1050-1075 fps. Will perform well. Kick very hard, though.
I vaguely remember from the old (pre semi auto) days that the 110's were popular with the older guys who had trouble qualifying with 125's due to injuries and arthritis.
And the winner of the 110 vs 125 grain HTP is.....the 158 grain! It sure did a fine job in that previous & excellent presentation with the 3". But for the ladies tough enough for a 357 snub the 110 might just offer a great compromise. One thing you can't convey other than to just tell us is how ear-splitting loud those 125s are from a 2". I'd like to see you wearing muffs and plugs with that stuff. Not busting your balls just thinking about the major contributions you've made to this community. I have some tinnitus from using 357 mag out of a 4" for self defense decades ago. My hearing never fully recovered.
😎👊 These Axil earbuds actually do a fantastic job. Appreciate ya, brother.😎👊
I'm also a Ret LEO began my career in 1984 when "almost" everybody carried revolvers.
Ah yes I was waiting for this one!
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That remington 125 looks like some great stuff. another great video thanks
First for another terrific video !!
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Great review! As old time law enforcement stats show .357 Magnum 125 grain HP has a 90 to 98% stopping power.... Cartridges such as .357 Magnum in that grain weight were never the issue, capacity for future law enforcement (ie More cartridges such as 15 cartridges of 9MM) to equate that .357 Magnum stopping power in 125 grain is why so many 9MM cartridges are needed to stop the perp! . .357 Magnum in 125 grain does not have that problem.
Saw a man shot with 1 .357 125gr, upper chest. He had to explain to God about his evil ways. #2, Father-in-law, didn't like his son-in-law arguing with his daughter (no domestic violence) and went to their house to stop it. The 2 men git to fighting. Father-in-law shoots son-in-law in the chest with a 230gr FMJ, .45. Bullet hits the breast bone, turned straight down, and nicked the liver. Son-in-law survived and Father-in-law went to prison.
Bullets do strange things!
Thank you sir.😎👊
Those are fake “stats.”
@@rifleshooterchannel208 From the book "Stopping Power" by Marshall/Sanow.
@ A work of pure fiction.
A good friend of mine was a homicide detective with the Atlanra Police back in the day. He specifically mentioned the 125 grain round as being very effective out on the street...
Magnum power.💥😎💥
How does it do on the sidewalk?
@@timrobinson6573same as the bullets don't have GPS
158 Gr through a Six inch Smith is just best That's the ultimate. Great test Tools!
125 domination. Great performance.
...and out of a short barrel! 😲
Great vid!
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I would imagine that both of these in a 4inch barrel would be awesome 👌
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Cool it's Tool time...
CLASS IS IN SESSION 😊
Another test I could not wait to see, Thanx Tools.
Those 125 rem scalloped SJHPs shure look like the GOLD STANDARD police loads we sought out and carried back in the 70s--
The 110, IIRC, was developed to make lighter recoiling, more of a “medium velocity” load especially for magnum snub nosed revolvers. With that in mind, what you have shown makes sense. At 64, I have seen these things come and go.
It was definitely much softer shooting.
Thanks! Another great video. Always nice to have ammo options. Wonder how they would do out of my Henry Rifle. Stay safe and stay dangerous. God bless.. Sarge
Appreciate that once again, my friend. I definitely need to do some .357 rifle testing. What length barrel do you use?
@ Henry Big Boy Brass 20 inch along with the Big Boy pistol Sir.
That muzzle flash from the 125gr load would sure ruin anyone's night vision in very low light conditions!! It's a mean load for sure
It's violent. Having shot them side-by-side with the Remington 158 gr. SJHP, I find it much easier to control the 158's, and I can shoot very nice groups at distance with them. I only have 4 and 6 inch barrels in .357, so still plenty of velocity for expansion. I do have a 2 inch .38, and I love the Remington 125 gr. SJHP .38 Sp. +P in that.
Phew baby! The first few shots with the 125gr really threw a flash-blast out of that barrel. You'd think you were shooting a Hollywood movie! lol
Yeah, she was breathin fire!🔥😎🔥
The 110 grain SJHP was the Border Patrol’s last revolver duty round. They were “spicy” from a four inch Security Six, Model 66, or 686. Mostly Federal but the Remingtons and Winchester’s may have also been on the contract. They replaced the 110 grain +P+ .38 Special “Treaury” load. They seemed to work.
Another great test. Much appreciated and that Taurus 605 is looking like it’s performing well.
Great little revolver. It hits exact point of aim for me.
Came back for seconds on the expansion buffet! 🤣 Love it!
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Thanks for the test learned not to go shorter than 3"
That's what she said
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I believe that the manufacturer's adjust the velocity of the rounds to match the bullets performance. The 110 may just explode at a higher velocity so they lower the velocity to match bullet performance.
I believe that is why you will see some defensive cartridges that usually run at higher velocities, clocking in at slower speeds than the Sammi spec for the cartridge. They build the velocity to the bullet, not to the spec of the cartridge.
The 110gr is downloaded to try and keep the projectile together.... driven at max velocities it would absolutely explode in 2-3". 125 SJHP at max velocities is the OG man stopper out of 4" duty guns. Obviously pretty good out of a 2" as well.
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great testing.you do a fine job
Remington has made this bullet for years and it expands nicely. For the reloader, if you mess up and want to pull the bullet. Good luck!
Tools - thanks for the test. I was curious to see the 110. Now we know! I'm w/ you - that 125 would be preferred.
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125 in 2” or 3” is an outstanding choice
I’ve carried 110 and 125 in these barrel lengths
Practice with 110 grain is very light recoil in Ruger SP101
I’m thinking the Federal 125 grain is a bit harder lead composition and is my choice in 5-6” revolvers
However, heavier weight bullets in longer barrels gives better penetration with comparable expansion
“.357 send them to heaven “ love that line of yours
I can't say specifically about this ammo, but I know from hand loading other types of 110 hollow points, they advise slower speeds to keep them from grenading. Speer actually says not to load their 110 in 357, only 38 and 38 +p.
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@@ToolsandTargets yeah that 110 was moving way too fast. Really affected the penetration depth. These scalloped semi jacketed projectiles don't really need blazing speeds to open up.
Just what I needed! Both of those would get the job done! Nice performance....especially not breaking up.
Yessir. Good stuff from the shorty.
TT's gonna need the tweezers to clean up these blocks. I'd go with the 125gr but I totally agree with you the 110 should have been blazing towards 1400fps not 1100.
The greatest pro of revolver vs semi-auto - revolvers can take advantage of bullet designs that don’t worry about feeding properly in a semi-auto.
Nice to see a Remington round perform well. Generally speaking, most of their defensive ammo is junk. Even their fmj stuff is slow compared to most other ammo makers.
Loved this one Tools. Glad it didn't rain on you. Thanks as usual!👍🏻😎👊🏻
I was starting to get worried. 😎👊
The 110’s would probably be a good choice for one of the LW 2 inch tools. The 125’s would be a great choice for my 2.5 Mod 19. I’ve used the 158’s in my lever gun but not the lighter weights. Thanks for another jelly test Tools!
I concur. I run the proven Federal 357B in my 340PD. Yes it's painful! That's the only 357 round I carry in any length barrel. The Remington 125gr would be my second choice.
40+ years ago, the 110 gr notoriously and consistently came up short in Police forensics.
The Remington 125 gr. gained great popularity as early stainless revolver forcing cones were cracking under the Federal 125 gr.’s (Former #1) sharp shoulders (Original design).
IMHO, the Remington was better anyway, but Federal had great marketing behind it back then. Once LEOs realized how much better the Remington was, there was no turning back. To this day, this “Old School” round is still holding its own.
This stuff was my favorite commercial load for .357 Magnum before I learned about full power loads from Underwood, Buffalo Bore, etc. Might not be "true" .357 Magnum power, but it performs decently enough if you can't get good premium stuff.
Lead by its nature is molecularly cohesive. Leaving so much exposed past the copper helps it expand as does the speed.
The trick is to alloy the lead hard enough so it doesn't frag off but not hard enough its brittle or wont expand
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Another needed (by some of us) test Tools! U. D. Man Tools! 125 my choice 4 sure! Tools U. Stay safe too brother!
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I like you are doing these test in real world scenarios
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I carry those 125s in my 2.25 inch Ruger. In every test I’ve done with them that ring of lead peels off leaving the overall expanded diameter to only be about 45-50 cal. You are at the very borderline of how fast you can push those without that ring coming off.
Yeah, it's hanging on by a thread.
T&T…you are the reigning King of Ballistic jell tests 🤴🤴🤴…always interesting and informative 👍👍👍
Appreciate that, my friend.😎👊
Great snubby test! That 125 is pretty spicy from the 2”. Definitely one I’d carry if I put the 642 in my pocket. Very rarely but I do once in a while. Another great short barrel test my friend 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
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Excellent 357 was my fav for years😎😎😅
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Great video! I have the 110 version in my snubby as well....definitely not great for plinking, but not unpleasant like most .357 Ive shout out of a snubby. The 125ers look theyd be awesome out of my 6 inch Taurus 66.....though Im currently using 158 grain.
I think Remington was doing the same thing Winchester was doing with their 110 grain White Box load. A mid-range defensive load without quite as much rage at the muzzle as the full power stuff.
Another good ammo test
Could you please do some more testing of 45 acp out of 3.5 inch barrel 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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125. I have two 6 inch revolvers, I like the longer sight radius and the little extra power over a 4 inch is appreciated too. I hardly use the revolvers because I stopped reloading and factory ammo is so watered down, I just bought a 9mm and if I need more than that I use a 44 Magnum or a rifle.
@ToolsandTarrgets I have not received any notations from YT, but thank you anyway. Give it to someone else. Thanks for the tests.
Very impressive results Tools. The first couple of shots were awesome it showed some fire rings..🇺🇸👊
I saw those when I was editing. That was pretty sweet.🔥😎🔥
Little two-incher can pack quite a punch.
Reminded me of the "noisy cricket" in Men in Black.
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I carry the 125’s they are loaded pretty hot. They are also very accurate and consistent
@ pretty sure this is a scam
Winchester 110 grain JHP, is said to be a good performer in 357 Mag, I know it’s light recoiling.
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I bought a few boxes of the 125gr based on your last test. Indeed, nice and spicy out of my 3 inch. Might get some fragspansion though that's not a worry. Appreciate the great test.
Good test.
Either one is OK with me. I would probably use the 110 gr in a lightweight revolver.
The 158gn 38spl in HTP is awesome. Assume they load it in 357mag. Would love to see both those rounds side by side out of this same 2".
Great test, Tools. Found some viewers a very fine round.
Around the house and small town i carry a 3" 357mag with extreme hunter in it. But my speeds have these 125's and the other strip has Barnes. 357 still does the job really well.
I would LOVE to see you test .357 Federal Hammer Down 170 grain Bonded Hollow points. They’re saying 1650fps with 988 ft pounds of energy on the box and federal is usually pretty accurate with their box stats. It’s a mean round and it’s up there with buffalo boar 125 but with a lot bigger bullet.
My old issue duty ammo was Super Vel 125. gr. Spicy stuff! These looked good and out of my ported 3" K frame sized gun, 125gr. is my choice. Great job as always!
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Hey, thanks for great content as usual.
I have a video idea for 357 mag: Federal American Eagle 158 grain jacketed soft point is not a "premium" round. Federal markets it as an ammunition that is useful for target shooting and self defense if necessary. What's interesting though is that as far as comparable 357 mag is concerned, it is relatively inexpensive and widely available. Some have speculated that it could be an awesome deer hunting round if fired from a lever action rifle because the soft point would expand more than from a revolver but still get good penetration. It would be interesting to see how this "budget" 357 ammo compares to the premium stuff
For 2 to 3 in .357's i prefer pressures between .357 mag and .38 Spl. +P.
158 gr to 180 gr lead hollow point (GT Bullets) at 925-950 fps. Mild recoil & blast, expansion, decent penetration.
Several powders can do this. I like CFE-P.
@ToolsandTarrgets say what?
Thanks tools will have to pick up a box of the 125’s.
Back in the 70s and 80s, Rugers Speed Six & Security Six snubbies (I think they're 3") had a warning in the metal of the barrel not to run 110gr 357. It was my understanding that loaded to full pressure, the 110 grain projectile, due to the shorter length, could leave the shell inside the chamber when another round was fired. Kinda like a kinetic or inertia bullet puller.
Thinking maybe that's why this is loaded a good bit lighter.
Great test! Thank you. Something fir my dad to consider. He is 78 and I think that 110 might be more pleasant and controllable for him.
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Thanks for doing this test. I was curious about these rounds. I'll stick to my HST's for 357. Way more penetration with my 605.
Love the 357 magnum
I actually have the 125s and have loaded many, it's in one of the house pews. Fantastic
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I'd carry that 125 myself. I carry a 2in 357mag most days, but right now I'm using Hornady Custom 158g
Awesome test! Would like to see them both out of your GP 100
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Nope, stated ballistics would be from a 4 inch test barrel. The 125 grain load at 1400-1450 fps is full power and is the load that can damage the forcing cone of the S&W K-frame revolvers that have the one-piece barrel and the flat spot on the bottom edge of the barrel extension. The 110 grain load at 1250-1300 fps is full power and about what you will get from a 4 inch barrel revolver. The 125 grain bullet is the lightest weight that you can really use very slow burning ball powder. With the 110 grain bullet, the very slow burning ball powder will not burn anywhere near completely, so there would be a lot of partially burned powder fouling the revolver and burning well beyond the muzzle. The 110 grain loads use a faster burning powder in order to burn efficiently, but that also means less velocity at maximum safe operating pressure.
No surprise there really, that 125 HST is just nasty! 😎