I don't get it. If she grew the company's sales and increased profits, how is that a downfall? It seems to me that customers are less interested in "innovative" than in wearable designs. What's more important, impressing W magazine or pleasing the customers?
Ideally they should be aiming to do both. If an accredited fashion journalist such as Suzy Menkes expresses her unbiased excitement and opinion about a new designer’s work, it will do wonders to attract a new audience to this nascent talent’s oeuvre.
Personally i dont think it’s the creative director fault perse. Karl was given a lot of marketing budget. While virginie prolly didnt. She prolly got more etxra pressure to rank sales by the upper management. Allegedly, leena, the now ceo of chanel, is putting extra runways and night shifts and overtime for the couturiers. Leena is turning chanel into sweatshop
It is assumed that Virginie left Chanel because her hands were tied due to the decline in the quality of raw materials and products. Management is allegedly too focused on making profits. Quality is deteriorating, prices are rising...
You don't know what you are talking to, SHE LEFT , and the numbers with Virginie have been rising and improving throughout all her years, you have an opinion base on nothing , please inform yourself better .
2 important points, IMHO, that should have been reflected in your commentary - Virginie LEFT Chanel with just 2 weeks to go before the upcoming Metier D’Art collection that she created. Something went terribly wrong for the head designer to walk out at such an impossible time. Remember, Virginie Viard worked hand in hand with Karl DESIGNING, she was not getting him his coffee. Karl thought so highly of her that she was his chosen successor. They were so close that she inherited 1/7 th of his fortune. She didn’t have to work all these years at all! It’s just a hunch but I think the Suits of the Chanel Corp (including Lena Naer) tried to rein her in - all in the name of increasing profits. Clearly she did something right if you look at the numbers & if you listen to them singing her praises in the same breath that they are delivering the news of yet another price increase. All that said, you were much more fair than most. I personally am really sick of the vitreal being spewed over the Internet in her name. Things are seldom so black & white.
Personally, I have nothing against Viard. I just wanted to present a clear picture of what's been going on in Chanel and how people are reacting to it. I'm glad you mentioned her close relationship with Lagerfeld though, you're right that it is often being overlooked.
I disagree with the title of this video. The real reason for declining quality and rising prices = current CEO. I think the stockholders should fire the CEO bc she wants to change the work force with lower wage earners and continue to degrade quality suppliers. IMO
Chanel did no say “good bye”, Chanel said “part ways”, which means that the designer could also be the one who said good bye. Please be accurate, no one actually know the details of such news, it’s all speculations and rumors. Let’s try to accurate
Virginie’s designs were CHANEL. Things Gabrielle would’ve made. Lagerfeld make it fun but you wouldn’t catch a soul wearing any of that stuff. Cut the shit.
I absolutely agree with you. Lagerfeld certainly had his finger on the pulse of what 'new money' buyers (Chanel's main customer base) actually wanted - it didn't matter if things got a bit flashy and trashy at times because we don't live in tasteful times. Viard's designs were refined and conservative - a world away from Balenciaga and LV.
Virginie’s designs are the designs that you buy just 1 and wear it to the office, to the funeral, just like a suit. Gabrielle had the spirit to free woman in her age. Time changes everything now. Lagerfeld catched the spirit and translated them into fashion art. Virginie failed to do that. Even though some of her designs, the choice of fabrics are genius, but a large crowd of people think her designs are for old rich women to buy gifts for the granddaughters to be like them
@@hahdanghongha7810 that’s free spirit was attributed to changing what women were expected to wear. Virginie is absolutely more inline with what Gabrielle would’ve made. You’re the kind of observer the video maker is referring to when mentioned people preferring a spectacle.
@@BrighterThanYours Gabrielle 1883- 1971, do you know how short the skirt can be at that time to wear in Chanel house? time flies, people obsolete, but the spirit remains in Karl's Chanel. with Gabrielle, you wear the coat, you try to look older with Virginie, you wear the coat and actually you are old, your mind looks just old
Virginie is one of my favorite designers. I personally think she designed with Coco’s aesthetic in mind. Where Karl brought the house into the future; Virginie,in my opinion, honored the memory of Coco. I understand this is just my opinion I just think she was a welcome return of feminine style and elegance. Financially the brand did well under Virginie. The question I ask is Why a company did this to an artistic talent as Virginie? Also she worked under Karl for forty years; if she wasn’t ready or worthy of the position Karl would have said so. Again this is just an opinion of a simple person.
I think Slimane would be just abysmal for Chanel! His clothing design at Celine is just emblazoning the word Celine across everything in very large format, if that’s original and that’s what the masses want,I can understand why all I bought was a handbag. The Romy was really a beautiful bag, and I saw several other beautiful bags & 1 belt design. The sunglasses fantastic but in the clothing, which is the thing I am most interested. I left everything on the rack. It’s clear his design aesthetic is not to sell more clothing it’s selling bags, fragrance belts and sunglasses.
I am tired of all this Virginie hate. The woman was a workhorse and was not appreciated. Who else can design 10 collections a year and never complain. She quit because she was not on board with all the quality cutting that the new CEO wants. The new CEO is a problem and come from a packaged goods background. She has no luxury experience so cost cutting is the way for her ilk. The guy from Celine is out because he requires complete control which Leena will never give him. Word around the industry is that no one wants that job. Nicolas is out as he just renewed a 10 year deal with LVMH. It’s a shit job at this point. Also Lagerfield did not have to design with all the silliness that comes with social media and an ever changing trend and what’s next attitude which drives design and sales these days. At this point these house are just a step above fast fashion…they are using non natural fibers quite a lot and I refuse to pay top dollar for polyester and their synthetic cousins. So I am out and only buying vintage at this point. If Chanel goes with an established named we can be sure they will be going public and that will mos def be the end of Chanel luxury reign.
Personally, I prefer "safe" and "conservative", but I acknowledge that may not be commercially attractive, given the current Chanel customer preferences. I'd get one of the Lebanese designers, or even Elisabetta Franchi... which just shows how I roll 😂
The problem I have is Chanel bags and ready to wear have gone up substantially in the last few years and the percentage we hear for growth is tracked in dollars not items sold. They aren’t selling more the price tag is just higher in fact they could be selling less.
Sad she was the closest things to Karl. Also her style was classic. But I believe the problem here is not her. I think is LEENA when she came to the company
it’s combination of her designs, boring fashion shows, leather items & accessories quality going the drain & rising prices. Leena Nair is going to make the matters worse
Chanel’s overall profits have increased nicely during a global economic crisis. Congratulations! I am sure the company’s financial analysis did not waste a minute dissecting each division of the House of Chanel. Just a guess, but I bet the only reason there was a financial growth was due to all sales divisions, except ready to wear, runway orders and haute couture orders.
Virginie was the fall women stage by Karl. Karl never told the owner of chanel that virginie was weak in ready to wear since she felt comfortable in Haute Couture.. Haute Couture was useless in to the public and it did help to sell handbag, sunglass and perfume. Ready to wear was and is the key awareness in the public eyes. No worries for Virginie as she inherited millions from Karl legerfeld estate. AS for Chanel its hard to rebuild because the chanel logo is so overexposed. Their either change the logo or fall back to sleep.
I agree with the comments, she did great job. I personally preferred Karl Lagerfeld but she did great job as well. I personally don't see any of the mentioned designers for a simple reason you kept mentioning, they were all very minimalist. I believe John Galliano would be great choice. I definitely see the CEO focusing more on profit over heritage. Unfortunately people always care more about money.
Chanel INCREASED all their pricing - Ready to Wear included! A simple tweed jacket is now over $8000 depending on the embellishments. The handbags and accessories all had major price increases as well. They also have changed the pay structure MULTIPLE times over this last year for their employees.. reducing the amount of money most were making.. sooooo yes of course they were up 16% this year but by what means.. not because the collections were all so amazing.
Great video… you really know your stuff! I would love to see Sarah Burton at Chanel. Ascending the throne after the great McQueen, I felt she was under appreciated and her talents went largly under praised.
How many of the commenters actually shop regularly at Chanel and other designer brands? I can tell you their customer service and the quality of products has been improving. Some of the bags I've seen recently surprisingly felt VERY sturdy, even comparable to a Bottega Veneta handbag. I shop often enough and I can tell when quality is not up to par. Even a small collection of costume jewelry at Chanel is worth it IMO (small is the keyword), especially if you are going to spend that money on other designer costume jewelry or 20 dresses from Zara + some lipsticks + food delivery. Chanel still makes plenty of products that are very meh, for example the popular Chanel 22 or 19 bags, or polyester clothes. But, they launched Chanel & moi program that provides after-sales care for 5 years, the sales associates have been nicer. (Consider the fact that Dior went backwards from offering lifetime service/cleaning to 2-years after-sales care.) I recently got a full refund on a dress I purchased and they also exchanged a piece of jewelry for free without an argument within 2 days. Also I've got to give it to Chanel for their boldness and creative design in recent collections. Launching pink and glittery Barbie collection during the peak of so-called "quiet luxury era" when everyone else was putting boring black on the runway, was such a boss move. If you want to be sure of the quality of products at Chanel (or any other designer brands), look for leather lining in their handbags, feel the thickness of leather products you buy, look at stitching, look at the composition label (for Chanel, clothes made of tweed, cashmere or silk.) I don't know where and when and who have been complaining about Virginie Viard. She always believed in making clothes that were a little sexy, a little modest, and she made tweed cool again. Please go and watch the recent runways from Chanel and compare it to any other brand's, you'll see how iconic and distinct Chanel's designs are compared to everyone else. I'm not defending Chanel's price increase or rampant quality issues, still, but I've come to respect Chanel more recently and think we should give them a second chance.
Karl Lagerfeld brought her from Chloé along with many of the top seamstresses. If anyone knows Chanel and thieir clients, it would would be her. All the cost cutting and crazy prices are on upper management not her.
hmmmmmmmmmm THIS is very interesting! i think its a grey area, and people have their opinions on this subject, but only Virgine know the answer but i think if she were to speak out then i guess its going to break a clause? im not sure um some companies have employees sign a NDA? love the video!
The CEO’s fault. Nair comes off as cheap. Virginie has been with the company for 40 years and worked with Karl Lagerfeld. Her track record is proven. This new CEO though.. she’s too foreign. No creative fashion background
STOP pronouncing the word AESTHETIC as "AS-TET-TIK" The word is of Greek origin and is correctly pronounced with the TH sound as in Theatre or Theory. .
I am glad to see Virginie go. Her colors and combinations, to me, were ugly and uninspired, a real mish mash. The silhouettes did nothing for a woman’s body. I am exited for the future. I think Marc Jacobs would be great. His use of color, the playfulness, his understanding of Chanel, all positives.
Chanel is overpriced and overrated. Its quality is faltering and its prices are not reflective of the true quality of the brand. Like all luxury brands, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Balenciaga, etc., the only thing you are buying is the name. Nothing more.
You’re way behind. She left as she was done. Its not Chanel that booted her, and Virginie isn’t the reason the quality sucks. Do any of these lemmings that now rejoice online stop and think this might have been one of the things that Virginie was fed up with? It’s the corporate number crunchers. Alledgedly of course, and oh the grand dames also walked out with her. That’s 100s of years of experience out the door. Those ladies worked with Coco herself. Schiiiiit went down. Alledgedly
Allegedly, leena, the former Unilever’s executive but now ceo of chanel, is turning chanel into a sweatshop. Night shifts for couturier and adding more number of collections.
@@jasonaugust2387 yes she wanted to used AI to add more haute couture collections allegedly then it would not be haute couture and that is why Virginie left
@@jasonaugust2387 She is toxic AF, alledgedly. Ive had bosses like that. Just listening how its unfolding there brings me back to anxciety. People who worked under her at Unilever know...
@@perspectiveofme Karl was effective in persuading top brass because of his brilliance, work ethic, and force of personality - three things that Virginie lacks. She is a slob.
Lol you have no clue what you’re talking about , Chanel never wanted Virginie out , it was HER who quitted a company that doesn’t care anymore on quality , craftsmanship etc, she’s been with Chanel for over 30 years, so please do a better research before doing a crappy video
Please correct the title. Virginie is not responsible for the poor quality supply, she's dedicated to the design and she did a great job, in shadow of Gabrielle and Karl.
she did good, not great, her designs made Chanel more edgy like Gucci, not so elegant in the time of Karl. in the past time, everytime people think about elegance, that searched for Chanel for reference. But now the trend is more like edgy, dark and thorny
Why isn’t anyone talking about the worthiemer brothers who own Chanel? And why are they using cheaper materials? What good designer would want to put their reputation on the line without support for the best quality products?
screw u wannabes for blaming her cause shes the only name you know from the brand. virginie is the creative director her job is to design thats it. she doesn't make any of the decisions in the company. trying aiming for leena nair the ceo instead 🤮🤮
She most probably left on her own accord, I would say that Leena maybe had a different vision, as she has an uncreative HR background. Tom Ford and Marc Jacobs- give me a break!
I find it incredibly insulting how easy it is to criticise a designer that is at the helm of a brand. There’s a lot more than to being in this position that people like ourselves will never understand and relate. Get a reality check
I agree that things behind the scenes are likely to be more complicated. But, I also think it is our right as customers and fashion enthusiasts to express our own opinion on the issue. Fashion is an art form and art is subjective.
@@perspectiveofme agree but there’s a better way to express it without slashing and simplifying the complex condition. I.e. how after karl left, virginie is left unprotected and prolly crunched by the upper management. The pressure from leena nair is very visible. It can ve seen by the difference between Virginie’s designs before Leena came and after. 10 mins is enuf to talk about it. It’s jz u jz wanna hate without looking into it deeper.
We are so grateful and happy that Virginie Viard goes. The next to go should be Leena Nair - PLEASE !!! Thank you … Either Sarah Burton or Phoebe Philo would be EXCELLENT choices !!! Besides, Karl Lagerfeld designed for Chloé in 1970’s and 1980’s before Chanel in 1982; Phoebe Philo (not Stella McCartney) brought Chloé back to life in 1990’s; now it would be heartening that Phoebe Philo arrive at Chanel …
What are you talking about? She improved the sales. So, outside of some self styled critics, who all dress like complete cretins themselves, she has NOT disappointed the customers.
Sorry, but quality is king. It is not just Chanel. Fashion is dead! With very few exceptions, there is no innovation unless you consider " influencers" wearing see through, unattractive rags couture. You can either design for the bottom line and mass merchandise or design for timeless beauty and quality. If you have not done so already look at the designs of YSL in the 1970s for instance.
The problem with Chanel is that they have forgotten what the house became famous for - elegant but comfortable clothes with a timeless edge. I know Karl Lagerfeld was a creative genius but he was a showman and not subtle! I would love to see another female designer in the post not infrequently certain male designers tend to focus on the artistic vision when at the drawing board and not necessarily on wearability!
If you want comfort and wearability you can get comfortable, “practical” clothes almost anywhere on earth. What is the point of haute couture if not for artistic vision! This is precisely why male designers will always be superior.
Tbh, Chanel was NOT innovative. She was a great marketer and knows to hype things up (including claiming that she invented jersey) akin to today's social media influencers while in the other hand, Lagerfeld was (creative and innovative). That makes Viard more similar to Coco Chanel than Lagerfeld ever was. Chanel was a yawn until Karl moved to Chanel and revived the house. The execs at Chanel was wrong to go for someone who is more like Coco than Karl.
Shutup if you don't know the history.. Karl joined Chanel after Gabrielle was dead many years ago.. if you don't know the history don't come here in the comment section
I think currently the strongest female fashion designer is Chemena Kamali who is the designer at Chloe, at the moment. Her work for the most recent show this year was beautiful and women will want to buy her designs. Sarah Burton of AM designs have not really made a mark, not popular and quite forgettable. Phoebe Philo is too clean cut, no frills for Chanel and the fashion house's love for embellishments and lux appearance. I think a male designer for Chanel is best. If Nicholas Ghesquire goes over, he might be able to save Chanel.
I don't think any of these candidates are as daring and charismatic as Karl Lagerfeld. Karl was like the male version of Gabrielle Chanel in a way. He never put his career aside and acted overly emotional like other drug addicted celebrities. Maybe Alain and Gerard could prefer Jacquemus because he is someone who is not ashamed of his sexual orientation. Karl was like that too, he didn't say he was a womanizer like the other frauds to make his existence seem acceptable
People pay thousands and thousands for something grandeur and creativity, uniqueness and glamorous. If you want comfort, easy wear and normal, then you can buy it anywhere else. If something which cost 10 dollar and 1,000 dollar looks and feels pretty similar. Then we might as well buy the cheaper one. That is reality.
Chanel needs someone got the eyes, touches vision of fashion as well like the late Karl Lagerfeld. I find that Sarah Burton, Hedi Slimane and Tom Ford this 3-fashion designers is the best as they have their own magic touch on the brand that they are taking over.
I think she is absolutely amazing. These last few collections felt like she is getting tired but look at the first 3 years, she killed it back to back with amazing collection that both honoring Coco and Karl - especially her MDA collections. Also if you into Chanel and understand its background and heritages, she us bringing Chanel back to its root and more wearable and for women without degrading the quality of the silhouettes. It’s more of the details in her clothes which Chanel has felt to show because they more focus on fast commercial (less than 30s ad clips, shorter fashion show duration film, less focus and zooming into the details of the clothes,…). The hate on her is absolutely unfair and ridiculous.
This is a high quality video. Not just people complaining and bashing but instead knowledgable and well researched. I think Pierpaolo will get the job. Hedi would be horrible. He repeats himself everywhere he goes and makes tacky clothes nowadays.
She was welcomed because she worked closely with KL. Just like Sarah Burton who worked with the late Alexander McQueen and took over after his death, and was welcomed with open arms, Virginie was welcomed as well. The clothes she designed were weak and not Chanel.
I personally thought Virginie doesn’t necessary need to be replaced, she only needs a ghost stylists. Head seamstresses are the most important one and second is the element of a good taste and that’s what a creative director/designer’s job.
I don't get it. If she grew the company's sales and increased profits, how is that a downfall? It seems to me that customers are less interested in "innovative" than in wearable designs. What's more important, impressing W magazine or pleasing the customers?
Ideally they should be aiming to do both. If an accredited fashion journalist such as Suzy Menkes expresses her unbiased excitement and opinion about a new designer’s work, it will do wonders to attract a new audience to this nascent talent’s oeuvre.
Personally i dont think it’s the creative director fault perse. Karl was given a lot of marketing budget. While virginie prolly didnt. She prolly got more etxra pressure to rank sales by the upper management.
Allegedly, leena, the now ceo of chanel, is putting extra runways and night shifts and overtime for the couturiers.
Leena is turning chanel into sweatshop
@@periscope7731 Ideally they should be doing what sells.
Because most people buying this sht have no taste
Virginie had a golden ticket after Karl’s passed but she didn’t make huge sales bc of lack of creativity
It is assumed that Virginie left Chanel because her hands were tied due to the decline in the quality of raw materials and products. Management is allegedly too focused on making profits. Quality is deteriorating, prices are rising...
This has been going on for decades.
That is what I heard and that they are firing the most experienced seamstresses to save money
@@barbthegreat586it’s worse under former unilever CEO
or... her designs are just crappy, so they are not seliing as much...
@@JustBeingAwesome if they fired her they would have let her do her show. They were still selling a lot because of sweatshops and markups
You don't know what you are talking to, SHE LEFT , and the numbers with Virginie have been rising and improving throughout all her years, you have an opinion base on nothing , please inform yourself better .
2 important points, IMHO, that should have been reflected in your commentary -
Virginie LEFT Chanel with just 2 weeks to go before the upcoming Metier D’Art collection that she created. Something went terribly wrong for the head designer to walk out at such an impossible time. Remember, Virginie Viard worked hand in hand with Karl DESIGNING, she was not getting him his coffee. Karl thought so highly of her that she was his chosen successor. They were so close that she inherited 1/7 th of his fortune. She didn’t have to work all these years at all! It’s just a hunch but I think the Suits of the Chanel Corp (including Lena Naer) tried to rein her in - all in the name of increasing profits. Clearly she did something right if you look at the numbers & if you listen to them singing her praises in the same breath that they are delivering the news of yet another price increase.
All that said, you were much more fair than most. I personally am really sick of the vitreal being spewed over the Internet in her name. Things are seldom so black & white.
Leena Nair: removing a lot more than just hair😅
Personally, I have nothing against Viard. I just wanted to present a clear picture of what's been going on in Chanel and how people are reacting to it. I'm glad you mentioned her close relationship with Lagerfeld though, you're right that it is often being overlooked.
@@perspectiveofme but what’s with the thumbnail tho?
@@jasonaugust2387
What a great point. Pandering to the masses? Thanks for making me think again.
I disagree with the title of this video. The real reason for declining quality and rising prices = current CEO. I think the stockholders should fire the CEO bc she wants to change the work force with lower wage earners and continue to degrade quality suppliers. IMO
Absolutely correct !
No designer could work with that CEO . They should hire someone from luxury not making cheap shampoos popular
Chanel has no stocks it's owned by two brothers
@@PJZZZZ thanks!
@@PJZZZZ yes and they are turning it into Zara with price increases and lowering of quality to maximize profits, looks like preparing it for a sale
Chanel did no say “good bye”, Chanel said “part ways”, which means that the designer could also be the one who said good bye. Please be accurate, no one actually know the details of such news, it’s all speculations and rumors. Let’s try to accurate
Virginie’s designs were CHANEL. Things Gabrielle would’ve made. Lagerfeld make it fun but you wouldn’t catch a soul wearing any of that stuff. Cut the shit.
I absolutely agree with you. Lagerfeld certainly had his finger on the pulse of what 'new money' buyers (Chanel's main customer base) actually wanted - it didn't matter if things got a bit flashy and trashy at times because we don't live in tasteful times. Viard's designs were refined and conservative - a world away from Balenciaga and LV.
Virginie’s designs are the designs that you buy just 1 and wear it to the office, to the funeral, just like a suit.
Gabrielle had the spirit to free woman in her age. Time changes everything now. Lagerfeld catched the spirit and translated them into fashion art.
Virginie failed to do that. Even though some of her designs, the choice of fabrics are genius, but a large crowd of people think her designs are for old rich women to buy gifts for the granddaughters to be like them
@@hahdanghongha7810 that’s free spirit was attributed to changing what women were expected to wear. Virginie is absolutely more inline with what Gabrielle would’ve made. You’re the kind of observer the video maker is referring to when mentioned people preferring a spectacle.
@@BrighterThanYours Gabrielle 1883- 1971, do you know how short the skirt can be at that time to wear in Chanel house?
time flies, people obsolete, but the spirit remains in Karl's Chanel.
with Gabrielle, you wear the coat, you try to look older
with Virginie, you wear the coat and actually you are old, your mind looks just old
Virginie is one of my favorite designers. I personally think she designed with Coco’s aesthetic in mind. Where Karl brought the house into the future; Virginie,in my opinion, honored the memory of Coco. I understand this is just my opinion I just think she was a welcome return of feminine style and elegance. Financially the brand did well under Virginie. The question I ask is Why a company did this to an artistic talent as Virginie? Also she worked under Karl for forty years; if she wasn’t ready or worthy of the position Karl would have said so. Again this is just an opinion of a simple person.
I think Slimane would be just abysmal for Chanel! His clothing design at Celine is just emblazoning the word Celine across everything in very large format, if that’s original and that’s what the masses want,I can understand why all I bought was a handbag. The Romy was really a beautiful bag, and I saw several other beautiful bags & 1 belt design. The sunglasses fantastic but in the clothing, which is the thing I am most interested. I left everything on the rack. It’s clear his design aesthetic is not to sell more clothing it’s selling bags, fragrance belts and sunglasses.
Same here. The Romy large men’s bag is so cool. I don’t want to wear someone else’s initials. My own will suffice, thank you very much!
@@periscope7731 I got that same xlarge Romy with the two straps in army green. It is so wonderful. This guy is an accessories savant!
Chanel was ruined before she got there😂😂😂
Chanel fills a niche in fashion with a unique client base. Any major migration away from the core feel and look of Chanel may well backfire.
That core base has changed from wealthy older women to insecure wannabee's. just how many variations of tweed and redundant items can you justify.
She left for a reason. The less said, the more apparent. I think she did a fabulous job.
I am tired of all this Virginie hate. The woman was a workhorse and was not appreciated. Who else can design 10 collections a year and never complain. She quit because she was not on board with all the quality cutting that the new CEO wants. The new CEO is a problem and come from a packaged goods background. She has no luxury experience so cost cutting is the way for her ilk. The guy from Celine is out because he requires complete control which Leena will never give him. Word around the industry is that no one wants that job. Nicolas is out as he just renewed a 10 year deal with LVMH. It’s a shit job at this point. Also Lagerfield did not have to design with all the silliness that comes with social media and an ever changing trend and what’s next attitude which drives design and sales these days. At this point these house are just a step above fast fashion…they are using non natural fibers quite a lot and I refuse to pay top dollar for polyester and their synthetic cousins. So I am out and only buying vintage at this point. If Chanel goes with an established named we can be sure they will be going public and that will mos def be the end of Chanel luxury reign.
100%
Personally, I prefer "safe" and "conservative", but I acknowledge that may not be commercially attractive, given the current Chanel customer preferences.
I'd get one of the Lebanese designers, or even Elisabetta Franchi... which just shows how I roll 😂
If chanel goes back to street wear and H/M It is game over.
The problem I have is Chanel bags and ready to wear have gone up substantially in the last few years and the percentage we hear for growth is tracked in dollars not items sold. They aren’t selling more the price tag is just higher in fact they could be selling less.
I completely agree
Sad she was the closest things to Karl. Also her style was classic. But I believe the problem here is not her. I think is LEENA when she came to the company
it’s combination of her designs, boring fashion shows, leather items & accessories quality going the drain & rising prices.
Leena Nair is going to make the matters worse
Chanel’s overall profits have increased nicely during a global economic crisis. Congratulations!
I am sure the company’s financial analysis did not waste a minute dissecting each division of the House of Chanel.
Just a guess, but I bet the only reason there was a financial growth was due to all sales divisions, except ready to wear, runway orders and haute couture orders.
Virginie was the fall women stage by Karl. Karl never told the owner of chanel that virginie was weak in ready to wear since she felt comfortable in Haute Couture.. Haute Couture was useless in to the public and it did help to sell handbag, sunglass and perfume. Ready to wear was and is the key awareness in the public eyes. No worries for Virginie as she inherited millions from Karl legerfeld estate. AS for Chanel its hard to rebuild because the chanel logo is so overexposed. Their either change the logo or fall back to sleep.
Did you mean to write ‘shattered’?
Her clothes were weak it was the fact
I agree with the comments, she did great job. I personally preferred Karl Lagerfeld but she did great job as well. I personally don't see any of the mentioned designers for a simple reason you kept mentioning, they were all very minimalist. I believe John Galliano would be great choice. I definitely see the CEO focusing more on profit over heritage. Unfortunately people always care more about money.
One word: G R E E D
Chanel INCREASED all their pricing - Ready to Wear included! A simple tweed jacket is now over $8000 depending on the embellishments. The handbags and accessories all had major price increases as well. They also have changed the pay structure MULTIPLE times over this last year for their employees.. reducing the amount of money most were making.. sooooo yes of course they were up 16% this year but by what means.. not because the collections were all so amazing.
Great video… you really know your stuff! I would love to see Sarah Burton at Chanel. Ascending the throne after the great McQueen, I felt she was under appreciated and her talents went largly under praised.
How many of the commenters actually shop regularly at Chanel and other designer brands? I can tell you their customer service and the quality of products has been improving. Some of the bags I've seen recently surprisingly felt VERY sturdy, even comparable to a Bottega Veneta handbag. I shop often enough and I can tell when quality is not up to par. Even a small collection of costume jewelry at Chanel is worth it IMO (small is the keyword), especially if you are going to spend that money on other designer costume jewelry or 20 dresses from Zara + some lipsticks + food delivery.
Chanel still makes plenty of products that are very meh, for example the popular Chanel 22 or 19 bags, or polyester clothes.
But, they launched Chanel & moi program that provides after-sales care for 5 years, the sales associates have been nicer. (Consider the fact that Dior went backwards from offering lifetime service/cleaning to 2-years after-sales care.) I recently got a full refund on a dress I purchased and they also exchanged a piece of jewelry for free without an argument within 2 days. Also I've got to give it to Chanel for their boldness and creative design in recent collections. Launching pink and glittery Barbie collection during the peak of so-called "quiet luxury era" when everyone else was putting boring black on the runway, was such a boss move.
If you want to be sure of the quality of products at Chanel (or any other designer brands), look for leather lining in their handbags, feel the thickness of leather products you buy, look at stitching, look at the composition label (for Chanel, clothes made of tweed, cashmere or silk.)
I don't know where and when and who have been complaining about Virginie Viard. She always believed in making clothes that were a little sexy, a little modest, and she made tweed cool again. Please go and watch the recent runways from Chanel and compare it to any other brand's, you'll see how iconic and distinct Chanel's designs are compared to everyone else.
I'm not defending Chanel's price increase or rampant quality issues, still, but I've come to respect Chanel more recently and think we should give them a second chance.
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You are the best Virginie ❤
Why shattered ? I thought she improved the sales figures at Chanel ...
Karl Lagerfeld brought her from Chloé along with many of the top seamstresses. If anyone knows Chanel and thieir clients, it would would be her. All the cost cutting and crazy prices are on upper management not her.
hmmmmmmmmmm THIS is very interesting! i think its a grey area, and people have their opinions on this subject, but only Virgine know the answer but i think if she were to speak out then i guess its going to break a clause? im not sure um some companies have employees sign a NDA? love the video!
I would love to hear Virgine's perspective on it
Hedi Slimane ruined Saint Laurent and Celine, just nope
What a shame Viard has left. She revitalised the brand. It was very Chanel but yes, relaxed. It felt young & relevant. A mistake.
The CEO’s fault. Nair comes off as cheap. Virginie has been with the company for 40 years and worked with Karl Lagerfeld. Her track record is proven. This new CEO though.. she’s too foreign. No creative fashion background
What you meant was Chanel’s *shAttered* reputation.
Pena que não vou comprar essas roupas nem tão cedo😢 quero emagrecer logo pra poder comprar😮
Virginie was useless at designing. Absolutely laughable 😂😂😂
The problem the ceo is not French.
STOP pronouncing the word AESTHETIC as "AS-TET-TIK" The word is of Greek origin and is correctly pronounced with the TH sound as in Theatre or Theory. .
Chanel will go extremely avant garde and no one will buy it except people who can wear high fashion. Small percent.
Karl was an impossible act to follow... So sad to see this happen.
I am glad to see Virginie go. Her colors and combinations, to me, were ugly and uninspired, a real mish mash. The silhouettes did nothing for a woman’s body. I am exited for the future. I think Marc Jacobs would be great. His use of color, the playfulness, his understanding of Chanel, all positives.
Very interesting appraisal: very clickbatey headline
Chanel is overpriced and overrated. Its quality is faltering and its prices are not reflective of the true quality of the brand. Like all luxury brands, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, Balenciaga, etc., the only thing you are buying is the name. Nothing more.
Tom Ford. Yes please.
They are selling idiots cheap tat.
Chanel designs 💩
#BoycottChanel
You’re way behind. She left as she was done. Its not Chanel that booted her, and Virginie isn’t the reason the quality sucks. Do any of these lemmings that now rejoice online stop and think this might have been one of the things that Virginie was fed up with? It’s the corporate number crunchers.
Alledgedly of course, and oh the grand dames also walked out with her. That’s 100s of years of experience out the door. Those ladies worked with Coco herself. Schiiiiit went down. Alledgedly
The corporate number crunchers makes it impossible for any designer to work with them
Allegedly, leena, the former Unilever’s executive but now ceo of chanel, is turning chanel into a sweatshop. Night shifts for couturier and adding more number of collections.
@@jasonaugust2387 yes she wanted to used AI to add more haute couture collections allegedly then it would not be haute couture and that is why Virginie left
@@jasonaugust2387 She is toxic AF, alledgedly. Ive had bosses like that. Just listening how its unfolding there brings me back to anxciety.
People who worked under her at Unilever know...
Thanks for this. Perhaps they need to launch another perfume to save themselves again!
The downfall of Chanel will be the cost cutting measures and bad quality products of the company under the CEO, not because of Virginie.
fair point
@@perspectiveofme Karl was effective in persuading top brass because of his brilliance, work ethic, and force of personality - three things that Virginie lacks. She is a slob.
her designs are crap
High prices with poor quality!
Exactly!!!
Good grief, what a disaster for diehard Chanel clients😮
Stop telling bs. She works for Chanel for more than 30 years
Lol you have no clue what you’re talking about , Chanel never wanted Virginie out , it was HER who quitted a company that doesn’t care anymore on quality , craftsmanship etc, she’s been with Chanel for over 30 years, so please do a better research before doing a crappy video
None of these designers can do sophisticated feminininity. Chanel is in the realm of Christian Lacroix, Lanvin. If only we still had Alber Elbaz
Please correct the title. Virginie is not responsible for the poor quality supply, she's dedicated to the design and she did a great job, in shadow of Gabrielle and Karl.
she did good, not great, her designs made Chanel more edgy like Gucci, not so elegant in the time of Karl.
in the past time, everytime people think about elegance, that searched for Chanel for reference. But now the trend is more like edgy, dark and thorny
Why isn’t anyone talking about the worthiemer brothers who own Chanel? And why are they using cheaper materials? What good designer would want to put their reputation on the line without support for the best quality products?
screw u wannabes for blaming her cause shes the only name you know from the brand. virginie is the creative director her job is to design thats it. she doesn't make any of the decisions in the company. trying aiming for leena nair the ceo instead 🤮🤮
She most probably left on her own accord, I would say that Leena maybe had a different vision, as she has an uncreative HR background.
Tom Ford and Marc Jacobs- give me a break!
I find it incredibly insulting how easy it is to criticise a designer that is at the helm of a brand. There’s a lot more than to being in this position that people like ourselves will never understand and relate. Get a reality check
I agree that things behind the scenes are likely to be more complicated. But, I also think it is our right as customers and fashion enthusiasts to express our own opinion on the issue. Fashion is an art form and art is subjective.
@@perspectiveofme agree but there’s a better way to express it without slashing and simplifying the complex condition.
I.e. how after karl left, virginie is left unprotected and prolly crunched by the upper management. The pressure from leena nair is very visible. It can ve seen by the difference between Virginie’s designs before Leena came and after.
10 mins is enuf to talk about it. It’s jz u jz wanna hate without looking into it deeper.
We are so grateful and happy that Virginie Viard goes. The next to go should be Leena Nair - PLEASE !!! Thank you … Either Sarah Burton or Phoebe Philo would be EXCELLENT choices !!! Besides, Karl Lagerfeld designed for Chloé in 1970’s and 1980’s before Chanel in 1982; Phoebe Philo (not Stella McCartney) brought Chloé back to life in 1990’s; now it would be heartening that Phoebe Philo arrive at Chanel …
What are you talking about? She improved the sales. So, outside of some self styled critics, who all dress like complete cretins themselves, she has NOT disappointed the customers.
Sorry, but quality is king. It is not just Chanel. Fashion is dead! With very few exceptions, there is no innovation unless you consider " influencers" wearing see through, unattractive rags couture. You can either design for the bottom line and mass merchandise or design for timeless beauty and quality. If you have not done so already look at the designs of YSL in the 1970s for instance.
The problem with Chanel is that they have forgotten what the house became famous for - elegant but comfortable clothes with a timeless edge. I know Karl Lagerfeld was a creative genius but he was a showman and not subtle! I would love to see another female designer in the post not infrequently certain male designers tend to focus on the artistic vision when at the drawing board and not necessarily on wearability!
If you want comfort and wearability you can get comfortable, “practical” clothes almost anywhere on earth. What is the point of haute couture if not for artistic vision! This is precisely why male designers will always be superior.
John Galliano
Tbh, Chanel was NOT innovative. She was a great marketer and knows to hype things up (including claiming that she invented jersey) akin to today's social media influencers while in the other hand, Lagerfeld was (creative and innovative). That makes Viard more similar to Coco Chanel than Lagerfeld ever was.
Chanel was a yawn until Karl moved to Chanel and revived the house. The execs at Chanel was wrong to go for someone who is more like Coco than Karl.
Shutup if you don't know the history.. Karl joined Chanel after Gabrielle was dead many years ago.. if you don't know the history don't come here in the comment section
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Know something before you speak on it
Do a full research than trying to get viewers with your incomplete info. Oh well ignorance is a bliss 😂
The CEO is a joke
I hope they don’t hire any of the guys mentioned .
I think currently the strongest female fashion designer is Chemena Kamali who is the designer at Chloe, at the moment. Her work for the most recent show this year was beautiful and women will want to buy her designs. Sarah Burton of AM designs have not really made a mark, not popular and quite forgettable. Phoebe Philo is too clean cut, no frills for Chanel and the fashion house's love for embellishments and lux appearance. I think a male designer for Chanel is best. If Nicholas Ghesquire goes over, he might be able to save Chanel.
I don't think any of these candidates are as daring and charismatic as Karl Lagerfeld. Karl was like the male version of Gabrielle Chanel in a way. He never put his career aside and acted overly emotional like other drug addicted celebrities. Maybe Alain and Gerard could prefer Jacquemus because he is someone who is not ashamed of his sexual orientation. Karl was like that too, he didn't say he was a womanizer like the other frauds to make his existence seem acceptable
Virginie was never a designer. I worked with her for two years, she is a very hard and determined woman.
People pay thousands and thousands for something grandeur and creativity, uniqueness and glamorous.
If you want comfort, easy wear and normal, then you can buy it anywhere else.
If something which cost 10 dollar and 1,000 dollar looks and feels pretty similar. Then we might as well buy the cheaper one. That is reality.
Chanel needs someone got the eyes, touches vision of fashion as well like the late Karl Lagerfeld. I find that Sarah Burton, Hedi Slimane and Tom Ford this 3-fashion designers is the best as they have their own magic touch on the brand that they are taking over.
Chanel did Viginie dirty. Virginie is a victim here... not Chanel.
When the quality of Chanel is compared to Zara, the management of the brand is to blame
They just raised prices, lowered quality, voila, there goes the increase in profits.
New customers came, but many old customers have left.
can't wait for Demna to be Chanels next designer qwq
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Karl lagerfeld is da best greatest legend fr chanel ❤
Bad quality despite the price increase.
your analysis is totally erroneous.
I think she is absolutely amazing. These last few collections felt like she is getting tired but look at the first 3 years, she killed it back to back with amazing collection that both honoring Coco and Karl - especially her MDA collections. Also if you into Chanel and understand its background and heritages, she us bringing Chanel back to its root and more wearable and for women without degrading the quality of the silhouettes. It’s more of the details in her clothes which Chanel has felt to show because they more focus on fast commercial (less than 30s ad clips, shorter fashion show duration film, less focus and zooming into the details of the clothes,…). The hate on her is absolutely unfair and ridiculous.
This is a high quality video. Not just people complaining and bashing but instead knowledgable and well researched. I think Pierpaolo will get the job. Hedi would be horrible. He repeats himself everywhere he goes and makes tacky clothes nowadays.
Ultimamente son pesimas las colecciones de Chanel.
بصراحة لم أحس فيها لمسة virgine viard
I thinking, it's time lel nev designers and brands to try, fashion stagnated already to long.
Virginie has not an ounce of creative talent in her. Glad she’s out.
She was welcomed because she worked closely with KL. Just like Sarah Burton who worked with the late Alexander McQueen and took over after his death, and was welcomed with open arms, Virginie was welcomed as well. The clothes she designed were weak and not Chanel.
Do you mean 'shattered'?
Jeremy Scott
Everyone needs change .. Im excited to see someone else take the helm of such a historically prestigious fashion house. ❤
Your perspective is yours but you're wrong.
i’d love to see olivier rousteing lead chanel in its next era…
She is good, but lack of charm. Plus, the brand is way over-priced.
I personally thought Virginie doesn’t necessary need to be replaced, she only needs a ghost stylists. Head seamstresses are the most important one and second is the element of a good taste and that’s what a creative director/designer’s job.
I did not know that they even made high fashion clothes to be comfortable. It would had been nice to try some of her items. 🩷