Having compared side by side over the last few weeks I put down my money on a Montage. The sounds are more uniform over the keyboard...I can hear the joins on the Fantom.
Nice, I can see that, especially if you're more into the natural/acoustic stuff. Be interesting to see how Roland updates the Fantom though, I think there's enough power in there for them to add to the library with some really cool content.
Thank you for the video, it went a long way into solidifying my original thoughts on buying the Fantom 8. Which I’m about two seconds away from clicking the order button. Keep up the great work.
Great review, I really appreciate the sax in the flute. I especially like the fantom the best. Loved the way the instruments sound and lot of them. God bless Richard.
Fantom’s tones sounded more windy, lush, fuller and natural with breath noise. You can do more justice to when you go higher octaves on Flute Echo tone. Sax and Flutes get even more natural and buttery smooth by turning on Portamento button above the PB /Mod Lever and a couple of tweaks under Tone Edit > Common > Legato Switch = ON Legato Retrigger Interval = 12 or OFF Porta Mode = Legato Porta Type = Rate Porta Start = Pitch HTH
I appreciate your work and effort and like your style. What people fail to factor in is that we are playing a synth with 100s of of ways to change sounds. Comparing presets is meaningless, unless they are REALLY bad. Sounds too thin? Turn a knob add some bass.. add chorus.. add (effect) until it suits you. That is what a synth is about. If you want to compare static presets then do it on cheap keyboards with no editing onboard. The same thing happens in the guitar world where people compare amps; both real and modeled. They never turn any knobs, it's just plug in and listen to the presets. Then claim one thing is better than the other. Ease of use and intuitive controls should be the main selling points. I hope new firmware on the Montage allows 'finger painting' editing like on the Fantom. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comment! Many people just want to know what the presets sound like, what are they starting from. They may not want to tweak or change anything and that's fine. Some like to program so they can get whatever sound they want in most situations. I also think each company/board has a character, they don't sound identical and that's down to the philosophy and design style of each company. The first thing many people will compare when choosing instruments like this, are the preset sounds. Plus for me, it's just fun to see how they compare lol.
@@SoundsAndGear I agree but both synths have many examples for flutes and lots of other duplicated instruments. Which sample do you compare, the 1st or 50th? To make it fair you would have to check them all (good luck with that. I still after 19 months have not heard all the presets in my Montage.) But I just enjoy your cool manner of how you explain stuff, so rock on bro.
@@tiomkinnyborg2289 Yeah I hear ya, I just tend not to overthink something like this. No oscopes, waveform comparisons, etc, it really isn't that serious for me. I just play some similar sounds or sounds from the same category and get an idea of the character of each board. That's how I like to compare sounds for myself so that's how I share it. I approach it as if we were sitting together in a shop going through sounds, lets just pull them up and see what it sounds like hahaha.
This is something I try to explain to people about every instrument. The same thing goes for guitars. You have these guys all go out and spend five or $10,000 on an American made Strat made out of a special cherry oak. When I guarantee I can make my $350 Ibanez sound exactly the same. You may have the ability to brag to people that you have an American Strat, but it isn’t going to sound any different than any other guitar in the world when it comes to plugging it in and recording it.If it doesn’t sound like that American Strat, buy yourself the exact same pick ups the Strat has.Still doesn’t sound the same, adjust the EQ until it does. This goes for everyElectronica instrument ever made. The difference you will notice will be in acoustic instruments, because different bills, different styles, different words can make a difference with the sound. But again, in recording it you can use the Q and a fax and everything you need to make it sound exactly like any other instrument in the world. I always felt this way since I was a kid. You can have all the bragging rights in the world, but the simple fact is your instrument that you paid 20 times more for, probably isn’t going to sound any different than somebody Who bought one for pennies on the dollar. When it comes down to it, it’s all about how you play the instrument and generally not the instrument itself.
Fantom had a bit more windy sounding wind instruments (if that makes sense lol) also a smooth top end. Montage got that mid/low-mid weight that I happen to love. Missing some of the breath noise but still sounds lush to me. These are some dope instruments either way you score it.
I notice that Roland is good at realistic takes of orchestral sounding instruments. I have a Jupiter-80 and let me tell you... Best trumpets I have ever heard on a keyboard because of the slide effects you can do to make it feel real.
Sounds as though the fantom sounds more realistic and agree that it sounds smoother. the montage sounds more canned, more subdued. Sounds as though the sound is confined and wants to go somewhere & is restricted. Bless you brother for your video😊
*_Not really a sound comparison when you do not use one on one sounds._*_ A concert flute on the Montage and an echoing flute on the Phantom, etc._ Both keyboards have their strong and not-so-strong elements. They are both amazing instruments and I would be lucky to have either one (would prefer both) in my studio.
Thanks for watching! Actually...that's kinda the point of the video. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and it comes down to personal taste. I like them both as well! However, in my opinion, a comparison is about comparing two different things...so to me, a comparison of sounds from the same category on two different instruments is "really" a sound comparison. There are no rules to what someone can compare, of course you are free to disagree. Peace.
@@SoundsAndGear I am not entirely in disagreement, but the title does say "comparison of woodwind sounds." That sounds pretty specific and I expected they would be one-on-one; like which is the most realistic or true to the ear? With that being said, I do like the video. I wish there were more, in the line of comparisons of unique sounds offered by each too. Cheers!
I hear ya! I guess I just don't think something has to be the exact same to be compared. I can compare a car to a truck, or an apple to a banana, it's really just showing the similarities and differences of each thing in my mind. When I get asked questions, most of the time it is along the lines of "what do the basses sound like on this compared to that" and not always "what does the amped slap bass sound like on this vs that" lol. I'm not sure where the idea that things have to be the exact same to be compared came from, but I see it often. Cars get compared all of the time, yes they are both cars, maybe even similar, but not the same car. That's my approach, I just try to have fun sharing the way I like to compare things. Thanks for the comment!
Thank you for this and your other Comparison videos. I’ve been Kurzweil loyal for the past 13 years but have grown tired of the VAST language and am in need of some new inspiration via a new piece of gear. Leaning Fantom.
Can you compare the AD conversion capabilities of both machines, with regard to recording into the DAW over USB? Which implementation do you like better?
They both record to the daw via usb, pretty much work the same way, they show up as audio interfaces. I like the Montage implementation more because it is class compliant so it works with iOS as well.
Thanks for watching! I feel you fam! Only got both for a short period of time lol, just trying to test and share things that I personally want to know about both.
Thanks for watching! It's not really about settings to me, it is about the type sounds coming out of the board, just having fun comparing what's there. (Unless you mean the sax sounds were not even close in quality lol) Everyone will have a preference which I think is cool! I think both have some good usable tones.
Dont know wchich one i should buy..for Remixing and House Music Production..Fantom is a little bit easyer for production i think cause of Sampler and a better Sequencer..hmm i dont know..must check it in the store after Corona is gone..
Its weird, some how the Montage has a very pleasing sound even though its less realistic than the Fantom. I agree that both have good and bad, and the selection would depend on the musical piece I was creating. Music is not meant to be created in the vacuum of one instrument...use as many as you can.
Interesting comparison, I own a Fantom, and used to own a Montage, I always thought the Montage was much stronger for acoustic sounds but in this video they are on par, looking forward to the future expansions for the Fantom. I think the converters in the Fantom are top notch as to me it sounds very hifi, warm and fat, especially playing live. Thanks for taking the time to compare... Merry Xmas from Australia!
Thanks for watching! Generally I've thought the same, but I do feel there are some really good acoustic sounds in the Fantom. I still think Montage has a slight edge for my taste but I also feel like Roland can easily change that with expansions. Both are great and I wouldn't be upset with either hahaha. Merry Christmas!
@@seeingwithheart no I actually bought another Montage but have since sold both the Fantom and Montage. I currently run a kurzweil forte and a midi controller and use Kontakt and Roland Cloud ( mainly zenology ) which is a very cost effective rig.
@@scottl926 Thanks for getting back with me so quickly Scott! I used to own a 2600XS with all the modules and an 8gig internal HD. I had it for many years but ultimately sold it because I didn't like the action. I have a Yamaha Grande so I'm looking for a keyboard that feels close to that. I have a Montage 8 and love the acoustic instruments and the functionality of the Super Knob. However, I'm not crazy about the action. I'm considering buying a Fantom because of the PHA-50 action, the V-Piano and its many other really powerful features. I own an RD2000 (that I'll sell) so I already know I like how it feels and the V-Piano sounds. I'm wondering why you sold your Fantom and Montage? In the states, the Kurzweil Forte is quite expensive $5000. What MIDI controller are you using? I use Kontakt but am not familiar with the Roland Cloud. I've had two 6 week visits to Australia and loved it. Where are you? I'm grateful for your input! Mitch
@@seeingwithheart Hi Mitch, I ultimately sold both due to COVID, and lack of gigs here in Brisbane QLD. I didn't have to but felt with a good quality audio interface and Roland Cloud (not to mention other VSTs) I get all the sounds from the Fantom, along with extra sounds from Kontakt and synths like Dune 3 for less money. Im using a novation sl mk2 which is a good synth action, but as I'm not a piano player the Forte action is fine for Piano stuff I play. The only thing lacking slightly is the FM which the montage excelled at but the Kurzweil isnt bad for FM just note quite as bright and clear.
No I like Yamaha's saxophone sounds because I have them in Halion 6 but I am looking into also buying a hardware equivalent to Halion 6. I am seriously considering either a black Tyros 4 or a Tyros 5 but when I pointed out that arranger keyboards can be used in midi production and that I have no intention of using the auto accompaniments in a reply someone recommended maybe a Montage or a Fantom would be a better and more cost effective purchase. I prefer these saxophones compared to the Kontakt factory library which I think sound even more fake and low budget. I also think these sort of sounds are still usable on my Roland sound modules like my SC-88 Pro or my U-220, personally if I wanted a Fantom I would buy the module version even though it's an older model. To be honest I have a lot more trust in hardware. I think Halion 6's alto sax is a maybe little smoother in comparison to Montage but Montage and even the lower cost MX series uses the same Tenor sax samples that are in Halion 6. Saxophones are going to sound synthetic no matter what you use but unfortunately as an amateur I don't have a budget to hire session musicians so I have to make the best of what I think is the next best thing. It's cool that the Montage includes the Sweet flute. I personally prefer the acoustic instruments over the synth sounds and think everything except for drums generally sounds more consistent on a workstation or a sound module compared to a lot of VST instruments. Maybe if the black Tyros 4 sells out I might consider either a Montage or even a smaller MX keyboard. In black the Montage/MX looks unobtrusive and very reminiscent to the Yamaha SY series, most of the AWM2 sounds in Montage are similar to Halion 6 plus Montage/MX also has a built in FM synthesizer similar to the DX7 so with Montage you also get a 4 or 6 op FM synth in hardware in addition to mostly high quality AWM sounds. Montage would certainly be a welcome addition to Halion 6. I would definately choose Montage over a Genos.
I have heard the Tyros and other arrangers have higher quality sounds compared to even the workstations. I haven't used them myself to confirm but that always seems to be the information I come across.
@@SoundsAndGear Some of Halion 6's sounds were culled from Tyros 1, Tyros 2 and even many of the drum kits in Halion 6 sound like Tyros 3 and 4 drums. I think it's funny how arranger keyboards have more focus on realistic instruments compared to workstations. I'm just about to look at the Montage data list to see exactly what sounds and presets come pre-loaded on it.
Montage was generally more realistic. The Fantom sounds had way too much reverb and the vibrato was a bit artificial sounding. Both were Ok, but Montage was a step above for me.
No contest imo, Fantom pattern sequencer is better. I may eventually do piano sounds but everyone does those lol. I wanted to share the sounds I like checking out. Thanks for watching!
@@thomascook2535 Hmmm, if I want a dedicated workstation/sequencer it would be Fantom. But strictly for sounds and recording to something else (which is my workflow) probably Montage right now. I think Fantom needs a bit more in the acoustic range of sounds personally. But it's workflow is dope!
@@SoundsAndGear Yes.. Very right in acoustic range.... and the acoustic drums aren't good, but electronics drums sounds are fine from 808, 707 so on... Let's see what will drope this namm
The Fantom instantly sounded better. As soon as I heard the different sax sounds between the two, the difference was night and day. The montage sounds very artificial, it sounds like a synth trying to mimic real sounds, where as the Fantom sounds like the real sounds. The Fantom also has the more powerful technology packed into it so there’s no surprise that it sounds better.
@@ScottsSynthStuff Hahahaha, actually that may be accurate for most situations but not in my case lol. In this setup I usually keep one main board on the desk depending on what I'm focused on video/testing wise. So I was testing some things with the Montage (and like using it with my iPad which is attached to the desk) then decided to do some comparisons. Last week the Fantom was on the desk and the Montage was in the basement hahaha.
@9:35 “Every manufacturer has their strengths and weaknesses.” So for this video (5 🔈), I’m leaning more towards the Montage. For the selection you played the montage was more organic and subtle, where the Fantom was good but it had harmonics that were slightly overbearing. Good video as always, keep them coming. Lol, can we get the Kronos in the mix.
I tend to agree with you as well when it comes to these types of sounds. Though the Fantom had a few joints that were really nice! Man...I'd love to get a Kronos in the mix lol, one of these days, we'll see!
Roland goes with same thinking way like Korg Kronos you must working on every sound to get dound you want. and if you playing live gigs you get problem if you play Roland or Korg dat sounds you have created is nog working as you have on mind. Yamaha plug and play and be happy.
For woodwind sounds i would just go for my fantastic ol" Yamaha EX5 which blows my montage 6 away because of its VL synthesis engine, sampling wouldn't do it for these type of sounds, physical modeling is needed!
The saxophone is the most difficult sample to replicate and if you play it on a piano you're not gonna get the true articulations as if you played it through a wind controller such as an AE 30-Pro if you really wanna take it to the next level play Audio modeling's library where you could take the brass woodwinds and deliver unlimited articulations with the wind controller given you the dynamic buildup every arrangement of yesterday had. keyboards just just don't make it especially when it comes to internal sax sounds.
@@SoundsAndGear Could you tell me if both synthesizers were connected to the same audio systems? Otherwise, the results of the experiment were not entirely objective.
Which will explain all the vibrato on the Fantom. Gives the sound more movement. Leaving the Montage sounding stale, whereas the Montage needed some mod wheel action on those wind instruments too. Respect though
Hey Man (!) read what i´m telling you: very great doing - awesome - you have a very good & clear sounding. Please do that with a lot of sounds also other style, synth, basses, guitar, pianos, strings, etc.. I will check your Channel in future. No Problem how you playing - it is going to that notes of Sound - and you make it very well, thanks for that. Also Korg will come out with a new Kronos soon - i think, can be important to do so also with it. Then - can be interessting to compare also with the Kurzweil PC4. If that you´ll have - that means this are the mostly important Workstations. Over that the sample librarys from clavia are also very interesting - ok the nord stage is no Workstation, but a great sounding Key, no ask. I think come out a new nord stage a time passes by... Greetings by Fantom of Silence
Thanks for watching! I plan to compare some of the other sounds. Would love to get a Kronos, Kurzweil, and Nord into the mix somehow as well. We'll see!
Wow! Your standards are quite high my friend. I the drum sounds on my MOXF, so I am thinking I may like them on the Montage. I have only tried the Montage in the music store. At the end of the day you have to get the tools that speak to you. What ever instrument you choose, just make amazing music.
@@paulallenMacca best is a very subjective term, depends on the type of piano sound you like. Some like Yamaha, some like Roland. Overall I prefer Yamaha personally for those types of sounds.
I like how you appreciate being inspired by the acoustic instruments without being so rigid about sounding exactly like them in every way. People should respect every tool for its own capabilities even when being used to pay homage to other instruments. It’s the same with pro musicians. We have our favorites the way pay respects to but we have our own sound.
You all know you want the FANTOM!!! Everyone that says the MONTAGE sounds better is just saying that because they bought it before the FANTOM came out.
Or maybe some people prefer the Montage sound? They definitely have different sounds and the Roland, vs Yamaha, vs Korg debate has been around forever. Just depends on what you like.
Yes, I just ordered a Montage after spending a week on TH-cam comparing the two just on sounds. I think I'd have been happy with either but it's the one I decided on.
Yamaha works way way better and smoother nicer in every aspect. if there is not some instrumens you like just sample it frlm another instrument and load it to montage and voil you have it. becouse Yamaha has Sampler 1.75GB.
Hahaha...nah. Search my channel for Korg, I've reviewed products from them before. If you'd like to send a Kronos over for me to checkout feel free LOL
Although you're comparing apples and pears, the sounds from Roland are more appealing to my ears. For the Montage, the blue blinking thing is irritating a lot... it's not a rhythm pattern, or voice controlled... looks like a big software error. Besides that, Yamaha is already 20 years a sample player, nothing more. Besides this, possibilities to create your own music with a DAW like Logic-X is only possible on the Roland. Therefore, my choice is easy. Roland wins. Next time find sound which are more alike.
They are both keyboard synths, pretty similar in my opinion, and 2 out of the 3 that have been compared for decades. The blue light didn't bother me hahaha, but I get it! As far as making music with a DAW, any piece of hardware can be used with a DAW, just the level of software integration is different. Roland chose Logic, Yamaha of course works with Cubase. Neither of which matter to me as I'm not a big DAW guy. I think both of these can be useful and really depends on what you aim to do. Thanks for watching!
Perdona una pregunta .Como suena un instrumento de wind sin breath controler de........ nada.Asistimo la una caida de synte de yamaha por esta categoria de sonidos.Yamaha motif y motif Es ,tiene salida breath y XS ,XF no ...una tonteria. Montage no lo tiene y una cosa mas, el montage no tiene sequenciador midi .En mi opinion Yamaha se esta burlando de musicos que de verdad esta tocando yamaha motif ES y el prime Motif .El korg esta materializar todo su technologia en un synte como kronos ,en tiempo que yamaha que tiene la technologia muy avansada ex Yamaha VP.VL o deja en polbo .Es imposible un yamaha montage sin techologia VL, sin sequensiador midi ,sin salida breath en estos tiempos tan importantes para los tecladista de yamaha.Personalmente me siento tradicionado de esta politica de yamaha.
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Having compared side by side over the last few weeks I put down my money on a Montage. The sounds are more uniform over the keyboard...I can hear the joins on the Fantom.
Nice, I can see that, especially if you're more into the natural/acoustic stuff. Be interesting to see how Roland updates the Fantom though, I think there's enough power in there for them to add to the library with some really cool content.
@@SoundsAndGear Thank you for saying this. I agree
@@Rightly_Divided we will see how it goes!
Thank you for the video, it went a long way into solidifying my original thoughts on buying the Fantom 8. Which I’m about two seconds away from clicking the order button. Keep up the great work.
Cool, glad to help!
Great review, I really appreciate the sax in the flute. I especially like the fantom the best. Loved the way the instruments sound and lot of them. God bless Richard.
Thanks for watching
Fantom sounded good. Overall it is power packed and has more capabilities. Montage has a cool super knob that is very dynamic.
Thanks for watching!
Fantom’s tones sounded more windy, lush, fuller and natural with breath noise. You can do more justice to when you go higher octaves on Flute Echo tone. Sax and Flutes get even more natural and buttery smooth by turning on Portamento button above the PB /Mod Lever and a couple of tweaks under Tone Edit > Common >
Legato Switch = ON
Legato Retrigger Interval = 12 or OFF
Porta Mode = Legato
Porta Type = Rate
Porta Start = Pitch
HTH
Cool, thanks for the comment
The Fantom sounds a tad bit better/fuller but once drums drop it’s going to be hard to tell any difference 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Thanks for watching!
Maybe the drunk guys in the bar will be able to tell the difference, I mean it's not like they are focusing only on the singer...
I appreciate your work and effort and like your style. What people fail to factor in is that we are playing a synth with 100s of of ways to change sounds. Comparing presets is meaningless, unless they are REALLY bad. Sounds too thin? Turn a knob add some bass.. add chorus.. add (effect) until it suits you. That is what a synth is about. If you want to compare static presets then do it on cheap keyboards with no editing onboard.
The same thing happens in the guitar world where people compare amps; both real and modeled. They never turn any knobs, it's just plug in and listen to the presets. Then claim one thing is better than the other. Ease of use and intuitive controls should be the main selling points. I hope new firmware on the Montage allows 'finger painting' editing like on the Fantom. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the comment! Many people just want to know what the presets sound like, what are they starting from. They may not want to tweak or change anything and that's fine. Some like to program so they can get whatever sound they want in most situations. I also think each company/board has a character, they don't sound identical and that's down to the philosophy and design style of each company. The first thing many people will compare when choosing instruments like this, are the preset sounds. Plus for me, it's just fun to see how they compare lol.
@@SoundsAndGear I agree but both synths have many examples for flutes and lots of other duplicated instruments. Which sample do you compare, the 1st or 50th?
To make it fair you would have to check them all (good luck with that. I still after 19 months have not heard all the presets in my Montage.) But I just enjoy your cool manner of how you explain stuff, so rock on bro.
@@tiomkinnyborg2289 Yeah I hear ya, I just tend not to overthink something like this. No oscopes, waveform comparisons, etc, it really isn't that serious for me. I just play some similar sounds or sounds from the same category and get an idea of the character of each board. That's how I like to compare sounds for myself so that's how I share it. I approach it as if we were sitting together in a shop going through sounds, lets just pull them up and see what it sounds like hahaha.
This is something I try to explain to people about every instrument. The same thing goes for guitars. You have these guys all go out and spend five or $10,000 on an American made Strat made out of a special cherry oak. When I guarantee I can make my $350 Ibanez sound exactly the same. You may have the ability to brag to people that you have an American Strat, but it isn’t going to sound any different than any other guitar in the world when it comes to plugging it in and recording it.If it doesn’t sound like that American Strat, buy yourself the exact same pick ups the Strat has.Still doesn’t sound the same, adjust the EQ until it does. This goes for everyElectronica instrument ever made. The difference you will notice will be in acoustic instruments, because different bills, different styles, different words can make a difference with the sound. But again, in recording it you can use the Q and a fax and everything you need to make it sound exactly like any other instrument in the world.
I always felt this way since I was a kid. You can have all the bragging rights in the world, but the simple fact is your instrument that you paid 20 times more for, probably isn’t going to sound any different than somebody Who bought one for pennies on the dollar. When it comes down to it, it’s all about how you play the instrument and generally not the instrument itself.
Fantom had a bit more windy sounding wind instruments (if that makes sense lol) also a smooth top end. Montage got that mid/low-mid weight that I happen to love. Missing some of the breath noise but still sounds lush to me. These are some dope instruments either way you score it.
Hahaha, thanks for watching fam, and yeah it makes sense lol, I feel you!
@@SoundsAndGear can we get some strings, organs and bass comparisons next?
@@gpr4eva Strings def on the list as that's another area I love to use on these types of workstations
@@SoundsAndGear 💯
I notice that Roland is good at realistic takes of orchestral sounding instruments. I have a Jupiter-80 and let me tell you... Best trumpets I have ever heard on a keyboard because of the slide effects you can do to make it feel real.
Great video my man! I’d like to see one with guitars!
Thanks for watching!
Sounds as though the fantom sounds more realistic and agree that it sounds smoother. the montage sounds more canned, more subdued. Sounds as though the sound is confined and wants to go somewhere & is restricted. Bless you brother for your video😊
Thanks for watching!
I only have Montage8, and the only feeling I have when I see your comparison videos is that the gods are fighting. (This is machine translation)
Hahahaha, indeed, you can't go wrong with either I'd say!
*_Not really a sound comparison when you do not use one on one sounds._*_ A concert flute on the Montage and an echoing flute on the Phantom, etc._ Both keyboards have their strong and not-so-strong elements. They are both amazing instruments and I would be lucky to have either one (would prefer both) in my studio.
Thanks for watching! Actually...that's kinda the point of the video. Both have their strengths and weaknesses and it comes down to personal taste. I like them both as well! However, in my opinion, a comparison is about comparing two different things...so to me, a comparison of sounds from the same category on two different instruments is "really" a sound comparison. There are no rules to what someone can compare, of course you are free to disagree. Peace.
@@SoundsAndGear I am not entirely in disagreement, but the title does say "comparison of woodwind sounds." That sounds pretty specific and I expected they would be one-on-one; like which is the most realistic or true to the ear? With that being said, I do like the video. I wish there were more, in the line of comparisons of unique sounds offered by each too. Cheers!
I hear ya! I guess I just don't think something has to be the exact same to be compared. I can compare a car to a truck, or an apple to a banana, it's really just showing the similarities and differences of each thing in my mind. When I get asked questions, most of the time it is along the lines of "what do the basses sound like on this compared to that" and not always "what does the amped slap bass sound like on this vs that" lol. I'm not sure where the idea that things have to be the exact same to be compared came from, but I see it often. Cars get compared all of the time, yes they are both cars, maybe even similar, but not the same car. That's my approach, I just try to have fun sharing the way I like to compare things. Thanks for the comment!
Thank you for this and your other Comparison videos. I’ve been Kurzweil loyal for the past 13 years but have grown tired of the VAST language and am in need of some new inspiration via a new piece of gear. Leaning Fantom.
Thanks for watching!
Can you compare the AD conversion capabilities of both machines, with regard to recording into the DAW over USB? Which implementation do you like better?
They both record to the daw via usb, pretty much work the same way, they show up as audio interfaces. I like the Montage implementation more because it is class compliant so it works with iOS as well.
I like the flute sound coming from the Montage,but you can't go wrong when you got both synths, it most be nice,thanks for the review St Joe. 👍🏿
Thanks for watching! I feel you fam! Only got both for a short period of time lol, just trying to test and share things that I personally want to know about both.
I don't think those sax settings were comparable ... ?!?!! Prior to that, I preferred the Fantom's tones in general ... Cheers!
Thanks for watching! It's not really about settings to me, it is about the type sounds coming out of the board, just having fun comparing what's there. (Unless you mean the sax sounds were not even close in quality lol) Everyone will have a preference which I think is cool! I think both have some good usable tones.
Thats the video that does the fantom jucitce.excellent of both synth.you got it right here
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your videos. I've watched quite a few before finally deciding on a Montage. It was a tough choice.
Glad to help, thanks for watching!
Great review. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching.
Dont know wchich one i should buy..for Remixing and House Music Production..Fantom is a little bit easyer for production i think cause of Sampler and a better Sequencer..hmm i dont know..must check it in the store after Corona is gone..
Definitely check in a store if you can
I like both.
I hear ya!
Its weird, some how the Montage has a very pleasing sound even though its less realistic than the Fantom. I agree that both have good and bad, and the selection would depend on the musical piece I was creating. Music is not meant to be created in the vacuum of one instrument...use as many as you can.
Yep, I agree, really depends on what you're going for at the time!
Interesting comparison, I own a Fantom, and used to own a Montage, I always thought the Montage was much stronger for acoustic sounds but in this video they are on par, looking forward to the future expansions for the Fantom. I think the converters in the Fantom are top notch as to me it sounds very hifi, warm and fat, especially playing live. Thanks for taking the time to compare... Merry Xmas from Australia!
Thanks for watching! Generally I've thought the same, but I do feel there are some really good acoustic sounds in the Fantom. I still think Montage has a slight edge for my taste but I also feel like Roland can easily change that with expansions. Both are great and I wouldn't be upset with either hahaha. Merry Christmas!
Hi Scott, Did you sell your Montage to purchase a Fantom? Thanks! Mitch
@@seeingwithheart no I actually bought another Montage but have since sold both the Fantom and Montage. I currently run a kurzweil forte and a midi controller and use Kontakt and Roland Cloud ( mainly zenology ) which is a very cost effective rig.
@@scottl926 Thanks for getting back with me so quickly Scott! I used to own a 2600XS with all the modules and an 8gig internal HD. I had it for many years but ultimately sold it because I didn't like the action. I have a Yamaha Grande so I'm looking for a keyboard that feels close to that. I have a Montage 8 and love the acoustic instruments and the functionality of the Super Knob. However, I'm not crazy about the action. I'm considering buying a Fantom because of the PHA-50 action, the V-Piano and its many other really powerful features. I own an RD2000 (that I'll sell) so I already know I like how it feels and the V-Piano sounds. I'm wondering why you sold your Fantom and Montage? In the states, the Kurzweil Forte is quite expensive $5000. What MIDI controller are you using? I use Kontakt but am not familiar with the Roland Cloud. I've had two 6 week visits to Australia and loved it. Where are you? I'm grateful for your input! Mitch
@@seeingwithheart Hi Mitch, I ultimately sold both due to COVID, and lack of gigs here in Brisbane QLD. I didn't have to but felt with a good quality audio interface and Roland Cloud (not to mention other VSTs) I get all the sounds from the Fantom, along with extra sounds from Kontakt and synths like Dune 3 for less money. Im using a novation sl mk2 which is a good synth action, but as I'm not a piano player the Forte action is fine for Piano stuff I play. The only thing lacking slightly is the FM which the montage excelled at but the Kurzweil isnt bad for FM just note quite as bright and clear.
do you have any accordian on fantom
I no longer have the Fantom, but I'm sure they have an accordion patch or two.
Can you plz do a drums comparison, like RnB and hip hop etc?
Not really a fan of the drums on either so not sure if I'll do that one.
So nice video.🆒
I wanna strings, guitar and bass sounds comparison.
Could you upload that video?
Thanks for watching! Definitely have strings on my list, I love using string sounds on keyboards like these.
@@SoundsAndGear I wait for your video
thx!
No I like Yamaha's saxophone sounds because I have them in Halion 6 but I am looking into also buying a hardware equivalent to Halion 6. I am seriously considering either a black
Tyros 4 or a Tyros 5 but when I pointed out that arranger keyboards can be used in midi production and that I have no intention of using the auto accompaniments in a reply someone
recommended maybe a Montage or a Fantom would be a better and more cost effective purchase. I prefer these saxophones compared to the Kontakt factory library which I think sound
even more fake and low budget.
I also think these sort of sounds are still usable on my Roland sound modules like my SC-88 Pro or my U-220, personally if I wanted a Fantom I would buy the module version even though
it's an older model. To be honest I have a lot more trust in hardware. I think Halion 6's alto sax is a maybe little smoother in comparison to Montage but Montage and even the
lower cost MX series uses the same Tenor sax samples that are in Halion 6.
Saxophones are going to sound synthetic no matter what you use but unfortunately as an amateur I don't have a budget to hire session musicians so I have to make the best of what I think is
the next best thing. It's cool that the Montage includes the Sweet flute. I personally prefer the acoustic instruments over the synth sounds and think everything except for drums generally sounds more consistent on a workstation or a sound module compared to a lot of VST instruments.
Maybe if the black Tyros 4 sells out I might consider either a Montage or even a smaller MX keyboard. In black the Montage/MX looks unobtrusive and very reminiscent to the Yamaha SY
series, most of the AWM2 sounds in Montage are similar to Halion 6 plus Montage/MX also has a built in FM synthesizer similar to the DX7 so with Montage you also get a 4 or 6 op FM
synth in hardware in addition to mostly high quality AWM sounds.
Montage would certainly be a welcome addition to Halion 6. I would definately choose Montage over a Genos.
I have heard the Tyros and other arrangers have higher quality sounds compared to even the workstations. I haven't used them myself to confirm but that always seems to be the information I come across.
@@SoundsAndGear Some of Halion 6's sounds were culled from Tyros 1, Tyros 2 and even many of the drum kits in Halion 6 sound like Tyros 3 and 4 drums. I think it's funny how arranger keyboards have more focus on realistic instruments compared to workstations. I'm just about to look at the Montage data list to see exactly what sounds and presets come pre-loaded on it.
@@LittleRichard1988 Cool!
Montage was generally more realistic. The Fantom sounds had way too much reverb and the vibrato was a bit artificial sounding. Both were Ok, but Montage was a step above for me.
Thanks for watching!
Fantom sequener vs Yamaha sequecer? plus Piano sounds and others...?
No contest imo, Fantom pattern sequencer is better. I may eventually do piano sounds but everyone does those lol. I wanted to share the sounds I like checking out. Thanks for watching!
@@SoundsAndGear GOt it. If choice is given fantom or montage. Which one you will keep it?
@@thomascook2535 Hmmm, if I want a dedicated workstation/sequencer it would be Fantom. But strictly for sounds and recording to something else (which is my workflow) probably Montage right now. I think Fantom needs a bit more in the acoustic range of sounds personally. But it's workflow is dope!
@@SoundsAndGear Yes.. Very right in acoustic range.... and the acoustic drums aren't good, but electronics drums sounds are fine from 808, 707 so on... Let's see what will drope this namm
@@thomascook2535 Yeah, looking forward to NAMM as well.
It has been my experience owning both that the Motif/Montage sounds are “radio ready” and the Fantom always required work.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@audiotone Yep, just depends on your taste, thanks for watching.
The Fantom instantly sounded better. As soon as I heard the different sax sounds between the two, the difference was night and day. The montage sounds very artificial, it sounds like a synth trying to mimic real sounds, where as the Fantom sounds like the real sounds. The Fantom also has the more powerful technology packed into it so there’s no surprise that it sounds better.
Always interesting to see the different opinions on something like this, thanks for the comment!
So what did you keep and what did you sell
I didn't keep or sell either, both are still here, on loan lol.
Look at which one is set up in front of his computer, and which one is off to the side. There's your answer. :)
@@ScottsSynthStuff Hahahaha, actually that may be accurate for most situations but not in my case lol. In this setup I usually keep one main board on the desk depending on what I'm focused on video/testing wise. So I was testing some things with the Montage (and like using it with my iPad which is attached to the desk) then decided to do some comparisons. Last week the Fantom was on the desk and the Montage was in the basement hahaha.
The sax on the Roland would instantly sound realistically with less reverb
Thanks for watching
For woodwind sounds...non can beat yamaha ❤
Great sound comparisons, thanks.
Arrghhhh…. Roland vibartor on woodwind sounds too. :-/
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@9:35 “Every manufacturer has their strengths and weaknesses.”
So for this video (5 🔈), I’m leaning more towards the Montage. For the selection you played the montage was more organic and subtle, where the Fantom was good but it had harmonics that were slightly overbearing.
Good video as always, keep them coming.
Lol, can we get the Kronos in the mix.
I tend to agree with you as well when it comes to these types of sounds. Though the Fantom had a few joints that were really nice! Man...I'd love to get a Kronos in the mix lol, one of these days, we'll see!
@@godiseternallife5822 uh....ok lol
Fantom The best!
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Roland Roland Roland
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Roland goes with same thinking way like Korg Kronos you must working on every sound to get dound you want. and if you playing live gigs you get problem if you play Roland or Korg dat sounds you have created is nog working as you have on mind. Yamaha plug and play and be happy.
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Exactly 👏👏👏👏
That's why i really enjoy my Tyros 5 💪💪💪
I don't think you got those parameters tweak to the best on the montage
I didn't tweak anything, that's not the point of the video.
Fantom clear winner
Cool, thanks for watching!
For woodwind sounds i would just go for my fantastic ol" Yamaha EX5 which blows my montage 6 away because of its VL synthesis engine, sampling wouldn't do it for these type of sounds, physical modeling is needed!
such a classic board, man! I always wanted an EX5.
@@SoundsAndGear get the gospel musicians ex5 vst ;)
@@yeoldmedic7572 Yep, love his stuff, but still always wanted the actual board lol.
@@SoundsAndGear :P
The saxophone is the most difficult sample to replicate and if you play it on a piano you're not gonna get the true articulations as if you played it through a wind controller such as an AE 30-Pro
if you really wanna take it to the next level play Audio modeling's library where you could take the brass woodwinds and deliver unlimited articulations with the wind controller given you the dynamic buildup every arrangement of yesterday had. keyboards just just don't make it especially when it comes to internal sax sounds.
Huge fan of Audio Modeling SWAM, probably my favorite woodwind libraries to use.
@@SoundsAndGear There are times they do promotions for them
@@ALMAR-Music-Ltd. Yep
At 1:11, the lower register are not good on the Montage.
Thanks for watching.
Si realismo se busca, para eso están los arranger, tyros, genos, pa de korg.
Thanks for the comment.
Roland Fantom the best
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Majority of instruments sound more organic and realistic on Montage.
Thanks for watching!
Acoustic + Realism = yamaha genos / tyros/ clavinova cvp series.
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Do guitars when you get the chance, please. Nobody auditions all of the Fantom guitars. They just do acoustic for about 10 secs
Thanks for watching, we'll see if I get a chance to do them.
Fantom🙏👍
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Creo que el Roland tiene mejor sonido
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“Aye I’m just playin’ man!” Im gonna use that line when I’m in the studio haha.
Ahahahaha LOL
"Roland Fantom" is noticeably better and more voluminous...
Cool, thanks for watching. Always interesting to see what sound others prefer. Definitely comes down to taste.
@@SoundsAndGear Could you tell me if both synthesizers were connected to the same audio systems? Otherwise, the results of the experiment were not entirely objective.
@@STANISLAV1609 Yes, both going into the same interface
Mod wheel on the Fantom isn’t where it should be.
Which will explain all the vibrato on the Fantom. Gives the sound more movement. Leaving the Montage sounding stale, whereas the Montage needed some mod wheel action on those wind instruments too. Respect though
@@2ammusik cool, thanks for watching
The montage still sounds like a motif. 🤔
Yeah for sure, they def have a certain character
Motif still can rival many synth specially the mid range
Very nice 👍🏼 joe peace
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Hey Man (!) read what i´m telling you: very great doing - awesome - you have a very good & clear sounding. Please do that with a lot of sounds also other style, synth, basses, guitar, pianos, strings, etc.. I will check your Channel in future. No Problem how you playing - it is going to that notes of Sound - and you make it very well, thanks for that. Also Korg will come out with a new Kronos soon - i think, can be important to do so also with it. Then - can be interessting to compare also with the Kurzweil PC4. If that you´ll have - that means this are the mostly important Workstations. Over that the sample librarys from clavia are also very interesting - ok the nord stage is no Workstation, but a great sounding Key, no ask. I think come out a new nord stage a time passes by...
Greetings by Fantom of Silence
Thanks for watching! I plan to compare some of the other sounds. Would love to get a Kronos, Kurzweil, and Nord into the mix somehow as well. We'll see!
@@SoundsAndGear cool, well see ya...
I didn't see a new KRONOS at NAMM. I was bummed out.
@@musikone1780 Me too, was really hoping they did one.
Wow. They both sound amazing. At this level it’s hard to choose one or the other.
I hear ya! All about personal taste for sure. Thanks for watching!
Clearly you have a good ear. :)
Wow! Your standards are quite high my friend. I the drum sounds on my MOXF, so I am thinking I may like them on the Montage. I have only tried the Montage in the music store. At the end of the day you have to get the tools that speak to you. What ever instrument you choose, just make amazing music.
Dang...that Montage just looks so OLD...Fantom blows the Montage away in sound quality
LOL thanks for watching
@@SoundsAndGear Im trying to choose between the Fantom 8 and Montage 8 i want the best sounding piano samples.
@@paulallenMacca best is a very subjective term, depends on the type of piano sound you like. Some like Yamaha, some like Roland. Overall I prefer Yamaha personally for those types of sounds.
Yamaha EX5! ;)
cool
I like how you appreciate being inspired by the acoustic instruments without being so rigid about sounding exactly like them in every way. People should respect every tool for its own capabilities even when being used to pay homage to other instruments. It’s the same with pro musicians. We have our favorites the way pay respects to but we have our own sound.
Yeah, I of course know that a real woodwind will always sound better, but I still like these types of sounds and personally use them often.
Fantom best
Thanks for watching
You all know you want the FANTOM!!!
Everyone that says the MONTAGE sounds better is just saying that because they bought it before the FANTOM came out.
Or maybe some people prefer the Montage sound? They definitely have different sounds and the Roland, vs Yamaha, vs Korg debate has been around forever. Just depends on what you like.
Yes, I just ordered a Montage after spending a week on TH-cam comparing the two just on sounds. I think I'd have been happy with either but it's the one I decided on.
Yamaha works way way better and smoother nicer in every aspect. if there is not some instrumens you like just sample it frlm another instrument and load it to montage and voil you have it. becouse Yamaha has Sampler 1.75GB.
Thanks for the comment
Yamaha > Roland at acoustic mimincs, even at strings.
Most of acoustic mimics of Roland sound electic organ.
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Bruh. Do u have something against Korg? 🤷🏽♂️
Hahaha...nah. Search my channel for Korg, I've reviewed products from them before. If you'd like to send a Kronos over for me to checkout feel free LOL
Although you're comparing apples and pears, the sounds from Roland are more appealing to my ears. For the Montage, the blue blinking thing is irritating a lot... it's not a rhythm pattern, or voice controlled... looks like a big software error. Besides that, Yamaha is already 20 years a sample player, nothing more. Besides this, possibilities to create your own music with a DAW like Logic-X is only possible on the Roland. Therefore, my choice is easy. Roland wins. Next time find sound which are more alike.
They are both keyboard synths, pretty similar in my opinion, and 2 out of the 3 that have been compared for decades. The blue light didn't bother me hahaha, but I get it! As far as making music with a DAW, any piece of hardware can be used with a DAW, just the level of software integration is different. Roland chose Logic, Yamaha of course works with Cubase. Neither of which matter to me as I'm not a big DAW guy. I think both of these can be useful and really depends on what you aim to do. Thanks for watching!
Still the ASR-10 kills them.
Ha, aye, whatever you like! Thanks for watching!
Montage is a best
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@@SoundsAndGear yess my friend the king montage and champion, 👍👍👍
Roland 1 Yamaha 0
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Eh pá com tantos sons que estas máquinas têm. E só comparas o som de saxofone? Que coisa ridícula!
Genos sounds better than montage
I've heard that quite a bit, would love to get my hands on one at some point.
Perdona una pregunta .Como suena un instrumento de wind sin breath controler de........ nada.Asistimo la una caida de synte de yamaha por esta categoria de sonidos.Yamaha motif y motif Es ,tiene salida breath y XS ,XF no ...una tonteria. Montage no lo tiene y una cosa mas, el montage no tiene sequenciador midi .En mi opinion Yamaha se esta burlando de musicos que de verdad esta tocando yamaha motif ES y el prime Motif .El korg esta materializar todo su technologia en un synte como kronos ,en tiempo que yamaha que tiene la technologia muy avansada ex Yamaha VP.VL o deja en polbo .Es imposible un yamaha montage sin techologia VL, sin sequensiador midi ,sin salida breath en estos tiempos tan importantes para los tecladista de yamaha.Personalmente me siento tradicionado de esta politica de yamaha.
I don't have a breath controller so I'm not sure
I can't understand why all people like fantom sounds. It sounds so plactic and bad! Yamaha sounds is more realistic!
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The montage has definitely better sax sounds. Yamaha always had better sax sounds than anyone else
Word, thanks for watching!
*_THE YAMAHA'S SOUND IS MORE REALISTIC_* 🎹 🎹
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yamaha montage champion of the World, king of keyboard síntesizer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I like it more montage 👍👍😅😅
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Una caida de synte ....a perdido el sequenciador midi en la ultima crisis ..?...Felisidades para korg kronos y Roland Fantom
Yamaha its bestttttttttttt
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