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- For most young Italians, there is no romanticising the “slow life” - they’re just trying to make it work.
An exodus of brain and talent has been plaguing Italy for decades, so what’s left for those who stay?
Leonardo, 26, has been looking for a stable job since graduating in 2022. He’s one of the 1.5 million Italians under 30 years of age that statistics call NEET.
Behind the name NEET - youngsters neither in education, employment or training - are people disenfranchised by Italy’s inaccessible job market.
Some are trying to forge their own path.
Alberto, 31, is the founder of a Start-Up called Trainect, joining a rank of young entrepreneurs that is becoming smaller every year.
Dolce vita ended in the 80s like the american dream.
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No, in the 60s.
same in Germany. I am German living in Italy since 2018 many friends cannot believe that also beautiful rich Germany has changed a lot. No many Germans go away (raffely 300.000 a year) and a many even to Italy....
It was still ok in early 2000s
Yes, I think people in a lot of countries are actually in a very similar situation. We have to be careful what we describe as being poor. If people do not have shelter and have nothing to eat, and do not have the basic necessities, not even clothing, that is poor. But many of us really live paycheck to paycheck. To rich people we are poor, it is just that many of us don't feel poor in such instances. Even though emergencies could wipe us out pretty fast, but for the most part we just have enough money to cover basic living.
I was working as an external IT consultant in an aerospace company in Rome, my salary was 1450 euros. I couldn't afford to rent an apartment, I was depressed. Emigrating was the only solution to get out of this condition.
Estateeeee.. no a parte gli scherzi, dev'essere una situazione veramente frustrante
In sé non è male lo stipendio, il problema è che poi il costo della vita è alto
@@gaetanoderinaldis1610 1450 euro, è il nulla.
@@gaetanoderinaldis1610Per farti capire
Il salario MINIMO in Germania è 1850
Ed il costo della vita è più basso che nel nord Italia (vivo in centro città a Berlino in un appartamento di 55mq a 670€ al mese)
Hai provato a cambiare azienda? Perché mi risulta difficile che un informatico guadagni cosi poco in tutta Italia
As someone who left Italy long time ago, Italy is great just for holidays.
Why did you decide to leave in the first place?
agree
Sinceramente anch'io non credo che c'è sia un "bel posto" al mondo, ogni paese a il suo problema che sia di popolazione ed economica. La cosa più importante è quello di trovare un posto in cui uno può vivere e/o trovare un lavoro che ti pagheranno di più, ovviamente se sei anche interessato all'ambiente dove trasferirai
or if you are ultra rich
@@fosterbuster2840 what's your definition of poor?
"L'Italia è come il primo villaggio in un rpg, è fatto per essere abbandonato."
E sottomesso. Così come gli italiani che vivono lì.
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Dai questa spacca, di chi è?
@@filippo.diberardino2863 Marco Merrino, lo disse per Messina, il primo villaggio in un rpg.
Pensa che io stavo all'estero e sono tornato! 🤣
Italy is the best country in the world IF AND ONLY IF you don't need to work for living.
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In Italia si lavora un sacco e si guadagna un cacchio!
Mai sentito parlare di bassa produttività del lavoro?
@@Sebavinciin alcuni casi è vero, c'è una bassa produttività ma dalla mia esperienza il problema non è nei dipendenti ma negli scarsi investimenti o investimenti sbagliati delle aziende.
@@francescobandozzi7708 in Italia è pieno di piccole aziende e sfortunatamente per loro è quasi impossibile avere soldi per investimenti o per la formazione
@@Sebavinci lol mai sentito di stipendi fermi da trent'anni?
Dai , smettiamola di giustificare della gente che non ha voglia di pagare i dipendenti.
Uomini o caporali?
Living in Italy it's a dream, if you don't wanna getting rich
@@annamariafranzoni30 Or if you ARE rich!
That’s exactly the problem guys! Italians especially from the south, are actually way richer than the Northern Europeans. They live longer, have a rich mentality, culture, values, slow life and are simply happy and appreciate the simple stuff in life. If you’re aren’t happy with the most simple things and you’re always ungrateful for what you’ve, you’ll never be happy! Not even when you’re rich!!
A rich human being, doesn’t need to be surrounded by materialistic stuff that you can loose from a moment into another.
A rich person has first off all dignity, values l, humbly and respect in life.
If I take you away all your materialistic stuff, you’ll remain a piece of **it if you don’t have this principles in life!
@@mambo2412 that's why i live in Italy and not in center/north europe 😎
@@mambo2412 Amen per cio'!
@@mambo2412 And also some Italian Aussie families end up completely broken, like my Dad with his siblings
02:02 Un enorme ringraziamento a tutti i governi degli ultimi 30 anni, incredibilmente lungimiranti, e che soprattutto non hanno badato solo a risultati nel breve termine per ingraziarsi la fascia elettorale più ampia (ovvero i vecchi)
Se quando arrivano quelli che si curano socialmente dei cittadini anziché delle lobby, lasciate che li caccìno dal governo e votate per i lobbisti, beh, è quello che andate cercando.
Neanche i vecchi
te lo posso assicurare!
Gli imprenditori non sono più lungimiranti.
@@simonerossi6074 gli imprenditori italiani sono una vergogna nazionale. Una casta che pensa di essere superiore e che crede che tutto le sía dovuto (anche e sopratutto l'evasione) perché "da lavoro"
I'm American, but moved to Italy from London for love. Overall, it's the best country I lived in for quality of life and a sense of community, but it's extremely hard to find work. I've been here for a year and can't find work as a skilled worker and I speak Italian. I love it here, but if there's no future for me, I don't see a future for my future kids.
I returned to Scotland after 17 years in Italy....I had to give a future to my sons
and even if you work for yourself, rest assured that the mentality is not supportive either!
It was a mistake to move here
@@gaia7240same 😢
Have you considered Spain ?
As a 23 year old Italian who left 3 years ago, there really is no Dolce Vita for us.
Where did you go?
Dove sei andato? Che lavoro fai?
Io vivo in germania da 5 mesi (mai stato meglio di cosi rispetto all'italia)
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I had the same idea of Leonardo: go away and then come back in Italy to support with new ideas a new model of development. This was 30 years ago. I'm now 60 years old and live in Switzerland, where everything I expected from job market and business was the simple reality of every day. When I think of going back to Italy, and I understand the real resons why things work the way they work there, in my mind I think I will give up the second part of the project, because it is simply impossibile.
I moved back to Italy after living in several different countries abroad. While it's true that salaries here are a joke and moving up the career ladder feels more like a dream than a real possibility, the quality of life in this country is hella high. Unfortunately, it took me years to understand that happiness isn’t tied to the career you have and the money you make. Yeah, I’m happier here, way more serene and healthier. If only bureaucracy and taxes weren’t such a pain in the a**.
Yes, same for me but I equate life with you hey what you want by working more.
How are you healthier with the constant possibility of losing your your job and your house, you don't have friends because they all moved abroad, you eat cheap food, and work even10 hours in a day?
Really interesting to see the different views from people in different countries. Many of us do tie happiness to money, but of course there are many other ingredients to happiness.
I totally agree with you 🎉🎉🎉🎉 got always permanent jobs in Italy after my degree 🎉
I lived in London for 4 years and I moved back to Italy because there the situation is even worse, fortunately I live in the north east of Italy where at least the job is not a problem, unfortunately the south Italy job market doesn't exist and I understand the difficulties the people have to face there.
Thank you for your testimony, that is not a point of view we hear about often! Do you have a better work/life balance now that you are back in Italy than when you lived in London?
Living in Vicenza, I confirm
I live in london, i save 50% of my salary. I am a skilled worker but there is no way i could save 50% in italy (of a much lower wage)
Same here but I came back from Australia, that every italian youngster always praised so much out of ignorance. The saying "the grass looks greener on the other side" is always true. Overall, life in Italy is of a higher quality, even if the salaries are not as high, but the cost of living is much much lower than in most of the other G8 countries
Same here. Lived in the UK and came back to northern Italy - much much better quality of life, relationships, more freedom. No regrets.
Italy is the best place to live if you are ALREADY rich
Punto e basta 🙌
And if you are boring because there is nothing to do
That is the case anywhere in the world
Ma quando mai? Che cazzata.
In Italy today a young person lives well only if he or she has legacies. Starting from scratch is impossible or in the rare cases of success means that you have sacrificed your youth to do so.
Is that the profile picture of the Sun of Kyo Kusanagi?
The current survival strategy, in Italy, has become staying with your parents even well beyond your 30s.
I have lots of friends with stable jobs that are forced to live with their parents as they cannot save enough money.
Most of Italians are actually enough rich to live well, the others work illegally
When I hear these stories I remember why I left the country. The hopelessness I was feeling was unbearable for me, it was even stronger than the fear to not being able to make it in a stranger country. I’m so glad I left all this behind. I feel sorry for who is in that place now, I hope things will change.
Thank you, finally someone who understands. Italy is a scam
in quale paese sei emigrato?
> berg
In italy where there is work it is impossible to find housing, where there is housing there is no work.
As an American currently studying in this beautiful country, my heart is heavy that young people feel they have to leave their home just to survive. This has been going on for some time and it doesn't seem like it would take that much for the government to invest in its youth (and, might I add, for it's own survival and viability longterm). The young man is right -- the education system and the job market need to talk to each other.
We have our issues in the US as well. The cost of college has simply become prohibitive for a lot of Americans. And yet, our society says you simply must have a degree to be successful. But then you can be stuck paying back college debt for (literally) the rest of your life if you don't find a high-earning job.
I so wish the best for these two young men (everyone in this situation, really) but especially Leonardo. His frustration and sadness was palpable. But Italians are strong stock -- I have every faith that he will indeed make his dreams come true and then return to Italy to give back. Bravo young man
I live in northern italy (Emilia-Romagna) and i consider myself a working poor earning just above average national pay. I was unemployed for a lot of time too, but now i am in stable working condition, even if pay is on the low side. Luckily i don't have to pay for housing but, it's probably the thing that keeps me here. I tried living abroad for a year too but it's not for me.. too high cost of living (USA) and quality of life went down the drain... couldn't afford anything beyond basic living necessities and i had a high paying job there.
But Leonardo is right on the fact that our education system does not prepare you for the actual job market... i had to get private courses after university to find something.
Situation in Italy for young people is very bad. I left Milan 4 years ago and I’m living way better now abroad. Not having a minimum wage is a CRIME
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Where are you now?
@@flawyerlawyertv7454 I’m living in Canada now 👌🏻
@@Linda-uq3ve Do you think that the city you're living is cheaper than Milan?
@@flawyerlawyertv7454 no, I live in Vancouver right now that is one of the most expensive cities in Canada. Still it’s okay if salary is in line with everything else (here minimum wage is 17,40 Canadian dollars per hour and it grows every year). One room for rent is around 900/1000 dollars (in Milan a room is around 500 euros)
I'm 27 years old, I worked as a cook for 10 years, then I went into total burnout because I worked from 10 to 14/15 hours a day for 1400 euros, as soon as I asked for a raise after 4 years I worked in that place and I had to argue with the owners to get 400 euros more in addition to the mobbing after the request, so I quit and now I'm happy to say that I'll go back to work But abroad in Holland and I don't care that it is more expensive than Italy here I don't see a future and I don't see any prospects, I firmly believe that abroad there are more opportunities in many fields than we do We Italians are not even used to thinking, I hope it is a message that can be shared and that it acts as an alarm for those who are young in Italy and for those who are abroad and think that living the "Bella vita" is a fiction, You can do it if you are very wealthy and maybe you are there for a "working holiday" but I wouldn't recommend it for settling down permanently.
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Ha detto la verità altroché,inutile fare il nazionalista se poi non si osservano i problemi del paese, quindi sta zitto nei momenti opportuni .@@internetexplorer3999
How much are you able to save in a month?
There's an Italian song that sums it up well enough.
Mistaman - Si salvi chi può
As a very young entrepreneur originally from Venice, who left Italy many years ago to start businesses in Iceland I can say my experience has been beyond great! No comparison between the bureaucracy, markets and overall ease of doing business here in the northernmost capital of the World. It’s been already half of my life outside of Italy and I think will continue, although I would want to go back but then again, just to retire as an older person. My father always told me there are no opportunities and I should go - it’s really sad to see that the situation just keeps getting worse:(
I totally relate to the participants in the video. I am 25. Twenty days ago I graduated from the University of Turin, after completing a master’s degree in European Legal Studies. It’s been several months since I moved to Milan and all my efforts to find an internship have so far been in vain: some of my applications have been rejected and some haven’t even been reviewed. I’m a foreigner and I feel a bit fooled because I was always told that getting a degree would lead me to make a living. Now I am somewhat disappointed as I start to feel that maybe I am not well-prepared or for the labour market, though my thesis was on quite a relevant topic of AI and Legal Issues of Manipulation. It’s very frustrating to devote so much time and effort doing a degree and then witness you can not make use of it
In Milan it seems big companies are looking for Bocconi graduates..maybe i'm wrong
@@ASMRJusTravelzyes, as a Milanese native who left Milan a long time ago, lots of companies will straight up only hire Bocconi graduates, and it's not like it's easy or entirely meritocratic to get into Bocconi in the first place
Image the same, but in Theology, it counts a little bit in Southern Italy, for all Europea and world is 0.
I think your degree can be of great use if you leave Italy. As long as you speak English there are for sure other countries in Europe with companies ready to hire you
have you tried on linkedin throughout Italy, a law graduate is in great demand, you can also try in the Borders or other public jobs that require that degree
From Vicenza to Michigan in 2016… well, the financial situation is way better than Italy but I find that even though salaries in the United States are much more generous, at least in my experience, many aspects related to quality of life are debatable. In the United States, as well as in other countries where I've lived, you can forget about the quality of life you find in Italy, which can potentially affect not only your mood but also your health. To sum it up, I can say that while the financial aspect is easily addressed by moving abroad, the price to pay in terms of quality of life is not always worth it.
I can add something else. Sardinia and Sicily are among the most beautiful places of all Europe, both environmentally and culturally. But also they both suffer of the lack of job opportunities and bureaucracy problems, that affect many aspects of life, from transports to home services. For example, in Sicily they are suffering an harsh drought from many months and the water who reaches many parts of the region it's being rationed, and the problem it's not only caused by the weather conditions, but mostly by the inefficient water system, with pipes full of leaks.
not worth the fat women in michigan. I think NYC and Miami would be better QOL for an Italian.
The quality of life is definitely a minus in the United States, especially the food. Mediocre and expensive. Fresh produce is no longer what it used to be especially in the Bay Area.
Ok ma a volte non c’è scelta… poi non esistono solo gli Stati Uniti, basta spostarsi in Europa per avere già molte più opportunità che in Italia. È indubbio che la qualità della vita sia diversa, ma a volte vedendo anche gli expat intorno a me si sta a guardare a minuzie tipo il caffè il sole la qualità della frutta e non alla grossa differenza che fa avere servizi funzionanti e tutele dal punto di vista lavorativo, poi non entro in situazioni tipo avere figli o ammalarsi e avere bisogno di assistenza perché invece lì avere la famiglia vicino e poter parlare la propria lingua fa tutta la differenza del mondo e parlo per esperienza. Di certo non è giusto essere obbligati a scegliere tra questo e l’avere un lavoro dignitoso
I'm an italian, I worked in my profession (across 3 different companies) for 8 years, but all the job offers that cover my expertise are looking for 20 year old interns 🙃 I'm 34 and I support a family of two, I can't do that anymore, I need a real full-time job with full pay. I'm lucky I'm working right now, but i had to compromise a lot because there was literally nothing else for me. I'm too overqualified or too old for certain positions, and not qualified enough for managerial work. And I'm sure there are many people in my same situation, settling in terrible conditions in mediocre PMIs.
Io ho 25 anni e ho lasciato l’Italia 2 anni e mezzo fa. Diplomato in meccanica e meccatronica in Emilia-Romagna, avevo trovato un lavoro che pagava quasi bene per l’età e la posizione lavorativa. Quello che mi spinse ad andare via è tutta questa cultura di nonnismo al lavoro (e non) che trovo insopportabile. Un giorno un responsabile di produzione venne da me a dirmi: “se continui a fare un bel lavoro, magari tra 20 anni ti faccio caporeparto”. Lì è scattata una sorta d’allarme. All’inizio ero un po’ restio ad andare a vivere all’estero ma adesso penso che sia stata la scelta più sensata da fare.
dove hai scelto di andare?
Cavolo stà frase è una red flag assurda. Persino a me è suonato il campanello d'allarme solo leggendolo
@@gigibit2060 Ciao, adesso vivo nei Paesi Bassi!
@@Zer0_kontrol non tornare resta lì e cerca di costruirti una vita lì. Qui è sempre peggio non c'è futuro
My father tells a similar story about when he operated a machine single handedly and the visible promotion was to double-handed machinery.
As an Italian , who lives to work to plan his future, even with a surplus on the average pay.. it's close to impossible to buy a house or go leave alone without spending more than what you earn .. I'm planning to leave soon and see if things can be better outside !
what do you mean you cant buy a house in italy,because i have been watching videos of vloggers buying 1$ houses in italy because of the low population. So can you please explain whats goin on
@@Everythinzdont believe bloggers. Those houses are ruins in a desolated and abandoned places. They will cost you way more to fix than buying a normal house. And they are in sicily usually, the southest region full of mafia and with the least opportunities. Those houses are 1€ for the rich americans getting scammed, not italians
@@Everythinz Those houses are in the middle of nothing, they're very expensive to renovate and are often even reserved only for foreigners
It’s like to buy an house in the middle of Death Valley.
@@Everythinz that's different, you buy these destroyed houses for 1 dollar but you must renovate it and live in it otherwise they take it back.
Plus they are located in deserted and old towns were you can't really live without a large amount of money already in your posession.
How can I get hold of Leonardo? His diction is perfect and he would be fantastic as an on-line Italian teacher. I for one would be truly grateful to have weekly sessions on-line to learn from him. He doesn’t need to be able to speak English. Can you put me in touch with him?
There is a significant gap between the starting points of the two guys in the video. One of them could only rely on his own strength, while the other had assured support. As in every country, money makes a difference. Unfortunately, in Italy, the class divide is widening, similar to what is seen in some less developed countries.
È sempre questo ciò che succede a lasciar governare un qualsivoglia Stato (pure l'Italia) agli italiani.
there is a big difference between northern and southern Italy. Northern Italy in terms of standard of living and job opportunities can be compared to southern France. Public services work and there is still a civic sense. Southern Italy lacks jobs and public services are at the level of Saharan Africa.
As someone that moved from Milan to Southern France, the difference is crystal clear: double the salaries, same cost of living.
They are absolutely not the same.
I speak for IT sector, but it's a general tendency I see. Here people have the same Mediterranean lifestyle but can actually afford to have kids and thrive.
@@rocketbird1i might add Africa is deloping so fast and it has surpassed southern Italy 😅
@@rocketbird1 Weird. Some of my relatives live in Nice and regularly go shopping in Liguria becasue they say that the prices in Nice are just crazy.
Saharan Africa is a stretch, but yeah
It's heartbreaking how little the Italian government invests in its youth. It's such a beautiful country, I visit it very regularly, but I've known for ages that living there is a huge challenge.
Having done this a long time ago I can only tell you this: if you have saved a couple thousands euros, leave the country and don t look back. That s literally what I started with, all you need to know is the language of where you want to go, and it'll work out far better than in Italy, no matter what you wanna do. Italy is mot a place for young people, and the old fools who got it easy and maybe even keep complaining about young people will realise soon the mistake they made, either through their pensions or national healthcare. Such drainage of young talent will have dire consequences in the near future. Hopeless country ruled by hopeless people.
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It is incredibly hard to find jobs, minimum wage does not exist, skilled people end up leaving the country, young people are depressed...yet the government insists that the number 1 problem are immigrants...
I moved to Italy 4 years ago. Like anywhere if you want a cushy job in the city there are 'very limited options' and life is expensive because there is so much competition. If you are prepared to work hard in rural Italy there is always work and life is cheap and beautiful. I didn't even speak Italian but I could always easily find work (and hardly anyone where I live speaks English, I learned the language fast this way!)
Italian work culture is centered around doing as little as possible, so businesses cry out for foreign labourers to do any and all hard work.
The main issue of Italy is not the lack of job (there would be plenty of opportunities if only politicians managed the labour market in a “fair” and not “obsolete” way) but the corruption, favouritisms within relatives and friends( if you want to become a professor, a judge or to work in the public sector it’s basically impossibile to have a little possibility if you don’t have any powerful link with someone of the system), the economical and wealth differences between north and south, the expensive rent in big cities (not only in Rome and Milan) and the exploitations of workers by employers that don’t have rigorous rules to follow. Moreover, manual jobs have been understimated for the past 30/40 years and there are consequently hundreds of underpayed lawyers, teachers (but not engineers) and ZERO artisans, plumbers. The only solution that many young people find is to cross the fingers for a public employment (since public salaries are the same in each part of Italy, it could be very different to be a civil servant in Rome rather than in some small town) or to go away. I’ll go for the second one!
Engineers are underpaid. In Italy the salaries haven’t risen for many years. Tech wages don’t even compare to average European salaries. Sorry to rant but I, like the rest of Italy don’t find the salaries nor the opportunities available close to the average of Europe and it’s well known.
Well, there is a new generational tendency to appreciate more gratefully tech jobs in Italy, in laymen’s terms. I’m not saying that conditions are better than in any other field, but engineers have more chances to find an entry level job with an acceptable salary at least (1500€, I’m not talking about golden salaries). I’m not assuming that you are part of a privileged category, but you find a job more easily than any other worker, this is undeniable. At the beginning is quite impossibile to find an high payed job (considering the life cost too) in any part of the world. I would have totally agreed with you if you had stated that in Italy is very difficult to change your initial position and to have the possibility to climb the top of your career, but unfortunately this is true for every job’s category in our country.
@@darioblasco8107 well yeah engineers have better paying jobs that’s for sure but they are still underpaid compared to what they should be paid. Like any other field in Italy. And on top of that career progression is very slow unlike other countries.
Yeah, of course in Italy there's "vita lenta": in Italy things move at glacial pace, burocracy is mind-boggling, inflation is ever-growing and corruption is rampant.
And there's no solution to this: the ones who should decide to change things are exactly the ones who want to mantain the status quo
I live in Florida and there are some people in my neighborhood who are from Italy, husband and wife with their two sons and they moved here for a reason and that reason wasn’t because life was so great there. When our governments make it hard to do business, they make it hard for people to live and so people leave.
The problem is not Italy. The problem is the salary. Increase it and it’ll become the number one place in the world to live
Increasing all salaries Just makes prices go higher
@@lannalisa2925 in Italy the avarage salary is around 1000 to 1500 euro. That’s extremely low. I spend that money in 10 days. I can’t imagine how other pp can survive in Milan with that money
@@malvgik2774 it's not low! If you spend that Money in ten days you are probably buying unuseful things and producing tons of rubbish
@@lannalisa2925 are you Italian ? Do you know how much it cost to rent a single apartment unit in Milan ? At least 700 euro. And you still have to pay all bills. How can u say is not low ? This is poverty
@@malvgik2774 then don't rent in Milan!!! There are 200 towns in Italy, and 10.000 villages
Here in uk I have come across so many young Italians single plus families living here my family emigrated 70 yrs ago and it’s still going on . I cry for Italy 😢
My dream was to move in the UK, I'm 26 now and beyond depressed,
Ten years ago, I walked away. Now, I’m lecturing at one of the top three universities in the world.
Had I stayed, I’d likely still be stuck volunteering at the local ASL, watching my potential wither away.
Il problema è che gli affitti dove c'è molto mercato del lavoro, superano persino gli stipendi medi italiani. Questo perchè c'è molto afflusso di turisti che affittano per qualche mese B&B. La cosa brutta è che sta prendendo piede a più non posso questa moda. Per fortuna prendo un buon stipendio, ma se perdessi il lavoro per qualsiasi motivo, dovrò ricominciare d'accapo con uno stipendio base.
E se non riesco a riuscire a sopravvivere a fine mese, addio lavoro e forse anche l'Italia.
Riesco a riuscire? In che zenzo scuzi?
quella degli affitti per beb è vero in parte. In realtà è che come sempre in Italia c'è gente che se ne approfitta (chi può) e nessun controllo.
Per non parlare del fatto che quei pochi palazzi che ci stanno vengono adibiti ad Airbnb, lasciando la popolazione senza case a costi decenti.
La soluzione è trasferirsi in villaggi microscopici (e anche bellissimi, per carità), ma questo provoca inevitabilmente una profondissima solitudine e sia mai che stai male e devi andare in ospedale, o fare una visita da uno specialista.
I'm a 26yo italian from the north east, I never had issues getting employed, always worked and studied very hard (even though I don't have a uni degree), never worked "in nero" (without contract) and I never relate to these videos or some other italian people's experiences. Yes, it is not the best country if you want to make money (too many taxes and regulations), but I don't want to lol. I ork from home, earn enough to pay rent, to go to restaurants and to go on holiday, I live close to Garda lake, not too far from the sea or mountains, so I'm happy to say I am living my dolce vita :)
Your family must be rich because I'm from Veneto your age and I've never worked legally
@@gaia7240 I'm from Veneto near Venice. I've always worked legally and I'm not rich, my father is a factory worker . All my cousins aged between 22/26 have always worked legally and none of them comes from rich families Just normal families with problems that all normal families have. By the way, what do you mean when you say "rich"?
@@strikedn the Garda lake area is expensive, and to be living comfortable you need to be enough rich
I live in south Italy and here the job market is the worst, if you find a regular, normally paid and not toxic job you're considered Lucky
I had three different jobs in the last year and a half, earning between 800 and 1100€, working full time [with occasional (not paid) overtime] and with little to none growth rate. I got so full of this that I’m sadly starting university soon here in Italy (I would go abroad if I could) to get my degree and then I’m going to be outta here with the biggest smile this world has ever seen.
I think it's better to go abroad and study there
This is a great documentary! I personally left Italy at age 24, just a couple of days after my graduation. I never looked back for 15 years, as I felt in a place where I grew and felt valued professionally and more . Italy was seducing me from a distance, and now when I decided to come back few years ago, the truth about the country poor organization and lack of opportunities, and the way someone skilled with international experience, is treated like a piece of crap, was not be the best welcome I wished for. I have a channel where I encourage Italians to move away for work and to open their mind to a world of opportunities....
Lived in Italy for 16 years and hated every minute of it, as soon as I got my passport and British citizenship I moved back to England, not enough opportunities for work and my career in film, wasn’t the place for me
Same in Spain and Greece. The remedies are clear to all but the old generation does not want change. Leaving is the only option.
Based on my experience from the early 2000s, the labour market is incapable of absorbing graduates and to bring their skills to profit. The majority of businesses are small, often family run; they don't invest in innovation, between the family ties and skills they privilege the former.
Sadly, italy is a country made by old people and built for old people. The previous generations made italy as it is for them and not for the next generations: if you have some money (you are a pensioner) you can enjoy your life a bit but it's not the right place to start an enterprise nor to work (as a temporary slave waiting for the next slave job).
Italy needs a real revolution in the market job. A revolution that looks far away to come.
It's super sad... seems like everything moved towards tourism, leaving young ones without no choice but to move out.
And it seems like the Italian government doesn't care at all. Super sad... 😢
I worked as English teacher at 600eu could not afford a room or house! I left …and accept a job in a field where I am not trained for and so I cannot build a career out of it . Condemned to have a job done mediocrely forever !
Italy is a failed country since 1992 in economic and demographic irreversible decline due to lack of reforms and investements. No future here.
They are literally kicking us out
I was exactly in the same situation and the same city in 2012. I spent 1 year in Arezzo, I was harvesting grapes for 4 weeks, I was waiting for my payment 20 weeks (no joke). I couldn't socialize much with another people, not having money. I spent a lot of time walking alone around the city because of that I know every corner of centro storico, I saw Giostra del Saracino. Is very beautiful place but unfortunately I left there only sadness and disappointment. I hope that one day I will come back to Italy and I will be able to live there as a tourist for the rest of my life.
Talking about tech, it's not always true that you have to go private, there are many ways in the public, including the university to get top-notch skills almost free of charge.
At my university more than half of the students have a scholarship, and as early as the first year proposals for well-paying jobs started coming in.
I lived abroad working in the tech sector as a graduate, but I decided to return to Italy to continue studying, hoping to bring my contribution to this country.
I also believe that you don't have to study to do a job that brings earnings, but you have to study what the individual likes, and then the world of work will adapt to that, not risking stagnation and activating the social elevator.
I agree. Moreover last thing you need to learn to code or to program is the university. I studied CS in Germany and it was quite useless, everything I learned was through tutorials and practice. Dunno why tech industries still give so much importance to such pieces of papers.
Don't move to the Netherlands 🇳🇱 we don't have houses and we are in deep shit aswell
Mutch love to Italy
I left Italy for rotterdam, housing is not that espansive as in Italy and usually Well kept
Shut up, I will move to the Netherlands I don’t care if you are homeless
@@fosterbuster2840 You're lucky not to understand that
@@fosterbuster2840 Buddy you have no idea what's going on in that country, and i hope you'll never discover
Yes, you do have some issues but compared to Italy the economy here works, I left Sicily 10 months ago and I'm living in Amsterdam, here is also way more secure and I can live alone, pay the rent, the food, everything I need and still can save money, all with the minimum salary
I'm a doctor. Mine is usually a very well paid job, but here is like the others. Imagine a neurosurgeon or an othopedic, a very wealthy professional in every other region of the world: here you get 1500€/month working 60h/week during the specialization and after that you go up to 2500€ in the beginning and 3300€ when you are expert. Self-imployeds, even bricklayers, make more than that.
Italy owes it's misfortune to our corrupt politicians at the mercy of the policies in Washington and Brussels. We lost the war and our masters will never let us forget that
Often looking for a job does not give people the best outcome compared to finding your passion and living and breathing it. My 2 sons found their passion in music, but had no idea what kind of jobs they could do. They lived and breathed music from very young until at 15, the opportunity presented itself for them to go to a private college, the School of Audio-Engineering. After they finished college, one son landed his first job at 18 years old as a junior sound engineer at a new radio station and progressed up the ladder. Now 20 years later, he works full time from his home studio for the last 6 years. The other son landed a sound engineering job in television and then he moved into the documentary film industry in Sweden. Following your passion will give you the best opportunities in life to manifest a well paid job that you are passionate about and that you could never imagine was possible.
I'm happy someone else is talking about this. I talk about it every week on my channel. Young people coming to Italy on holiday and hoping to live and work here have no chance. For wealthy Americans and British retirement here can be possible yes and yet France offers better Tax advantages. I wish people would stop pushing Italy as an option
L'italia è solo bella per le vacanze. Per il resto mi pento di non essere andato via quando potevo farlo in serenità.
Dove?
One thing that they don't tell you is that they don't let you work when you are a teen, you need to be at least 20 to become a waiter, a job that is done by teenagers in other countries, so we literally take double the time to get things, this is also why we live with our parents till we are old
Can confirm it all.
That said, I still love it...after all, it is my home.
Finally, thank you.
No one in their right mind would ever leave such a wonderful place. The fact is that we, the Italians, cannot afford it.
If you are born poor, you will die poor and that's it.
I know plenty of people that are going back to Italy. Grass is almost never greener on the other side. Unfortunately media pump reasons to leave non-stop. You all beat the same drum and you're all (mostly) wrong
I keep seeing Italians moving abroad and living way better than they were doing in Italy. I’m in the US and the opportunities we have here are way more. To each one his own, but definitely far from being “mostly wrong” as you said, otherwise we would not be 11% of the whole population to be registered with AIRE (who knows how many more are not registered). This video is just the tip of the iceberg. I see Milan these days and those who stayed are still either w/their parents or had to leave the city
I did. I lived 10 years in Florida then decided to move back to Italy. Best decision ever.
I’m glad somebody said it, thankyou! 👍
Magari invece di cercare di difendere questo paese e vedere i problemi degli altri stati, sarebbe meglio fare qualcosa per migliorare la situazione.
All the people I know that left Italy are doing better
I am an Italian who moved abroad and came back. All I have to say is that this is a topic that cannot be discussed in 10 minutes. Anyone can get the wrong idea one way or another.
Ci vuole anche meno per capire, un minuto, corruzione sfruttamento nessuna etica del lavoro, grande ignoranza maleducazione e cafonaggine è la verità l’Italia funzione come una grande mafia
I want to know more , please explain
@@valentinasanchez5757 Italy has many issues, but issues that in different shapes or forms are present in other countries too. Sometimes it's our negativity towards our own country that leads us to believe we can't build a life for ourselves.
It's not that difficult, non si vive bene, it's a dead country
The reason is simple: last generation dried everything up. They didn't care about who would come next. And now my generation is paying the price.
USA take note, the public education system is the USA is also failing to prepare students for the workforce.
Mike Rowe has been sounding this alarm for years.
Goodbye Malinconia.
Capa l’aveva già capito 10 anni fa :(
It doesn't help that older employers also see the youth living as cowards or spineless people who don't want to work; there is an insanely sick culture where people think here that it is THE NORM working yourself to the bone to barely manage to survive a month without being able to save anything, and just about afford to live in poverty.
You're seen as unwilling and lazy if you refuse to partake in that, or if you say you desire to leave the country, or even worse, if you show desire to pursue a carrier in what you studied for that the italian work market does not offer; we are also directly put in competition with immigrants and refugees, who will do anything to survive for a pay that's even less than the already inhumanely low checks we get for modest jobs.
This exploitation wouldn't happen with minimum wage, and people even go as far as to blame them, the immigrants, for this situation, instead of blaming our greedy employers and government
Make no mistake, the migrants are certainly making the situation worse. Supply & demand.
i'm 26 years old, left Italy when i was 19 and would really like to come back. But the work world in Italy is a mess and that stops me from going back. It's really a shame that even tho we love our country, we are "forced" to stay away from it to have some financial peace of mind
No country for young men.
Io che guardo questo video mentre come pranzo mi bevo un Actimel (sottomarca ovviamente) per non sbilanciarmi troppo, visto che ieri ho preso una coca cola al bar.
I work remotely for clients in America and the UK. If i was single and childless, I would move to Italy while staying away from the job market place
Anyone saying "you're so lucky to be born in Italy" doesn't get it. Being born in modern day Italy is like being born in Poland. Even the cities look the same. The world has this distorted, antiquated and fictionalized image of Italy that never existed in the first place.
Italy sucks for us...
My goodness! I am Leonardo. Everything he said, 100% accurate
By saying this I want to make sure that people know that a lot of young Italians like myself are doing great and don't want to leave, contrary to whats being said by the dude in the video, who seems to be speaking for everyone.
You can't make a whole documentary insinuating a collective thought of a whole generation and interview only one person. It's dumb.
We interviewed two people, one of whom is successful and doesn't want to leave the country for the time being. We did this for the sake of balance. Glad your experience isn't the same as Leonardo's but it's still worth telling, especially because data says it's statistically more common in the country.
I can totally relate my italian friends. NEET percentage in Turkey is 25%. It's a horrible spot that one can hit in the beginning of their early adulthood age.
Growing up in Italy you’ll learn for sure one thing… YOU HAVE TO LEAVE
Did 5 years as chef in Italy, non possible to live. Better do plumber or electrician in Italy.
It is not that different from Germany these days, especially Eastern Germany. No jobs, and if, very low salaries one can hardly survive with. That is why most people get used to living from state benefits as they are higher than if one worked actually.
It is everywhere the same.
I am 21, born and raised in Italy. I can’t wait to move to the USA. Laws are terrible in Italy, if you want to achieve something in life, or simply live without 100 headaches a day
Tu pensi che gli usa siano meglio per quanto riguarda i "grattacapi"? Per lavoro e paga ti posso dare ragione ma per grattacapi, burocrazia i più grandi stati occidentali fanno schifo
Infatti tutti i miei cugini si sono dovuti trasferire all'estero ALMENO per consegnare pizze a domicilio, non dico così che cosa. Io a trent'anni ancora non ho lavoro e parlo sei lingue, di cui cinque come fossero la mia.
Im italian and im waiting to finish scool just to move out of this counry
I'm an italian who still lives there ha ragione
I left 30 years ago. It was extremely difficult to find a job. However, there are many old people who need support: it’s difficult to find someone who can do the groceries for them or accompany them to the doctor etc. If I came back to Italy, that would be one of my jobs.
I met an Italian guy who was trained in Elder Care and he couldn't find a job in Italy. I met him in the USA and he was desperately trying to find a way to work there. He could not get a work visa so he decided his next place to try for work was Germany. He was the sweetest guy and desperate to find a job. I hope he was successful.
Torno malvolentieri anche in vacanza, tanto forte è stato lo stress traumatico dei miei anni lavorativi.
Anche io non volevo tornare non ci tornerei mai 👎🏻
It was mentioned that schools don’t prepare young ppl for labor market? So what degrees ppl get there? And what kind of jobs are available ?
I went to Milan to study fashion design in 2008, and I was in my 30s. When I tried to find a job through the school, employers often had age caps for positions “massimo 26/27 anni “. I’ve never seen age discrimination in my home country before, so it was pretty surprising, and disappointing. My Italian husband told me it was because employers wanted to pay younger people less money. Yikes 😳
I'd really like to ask Leonardo what degree he got. Because I'm Italian and I know that in Italy there a lot of "easy" University courses that clearly do not offer many career opportunities, but some people choose them just to please their parents or to can say "I'm studying X at the University", when in reality they do not have any clue on what to do with their lives.
I agree partially as someone who has a degree in Liberal Arts and a degree in CS (=Informatica). There are studies which give you access to more jobs (as STEM-faculties) but some Liberal Arts degrees are not easy. The problem is that unfortunately in Italy they are not designed for the work outside. Nobody in Italy cares about the students and therefore people study in a very old system wlth old professors who are not even able to use a pc and whose only aim is to prepare the students only to teach in the school or to work in the public administration as "impiegato amministrativo". That's really a pity!
Non è un fattore però, in Italia gli stipendi sono bassi a prescindere dal lavoro che fai.
E poi ci sono anche ingegneri che si ritrovano a fare i netturbini per dire, molto qualunquismo nel tuo commento
@@leonardoferrari4852la laurea che consegui non è un fattore?? È chiaro che non ci sono gli stipendi americani per nessuno, nemmeno ottimi ingegneri ma questo non significa che il percorso non influisca... Conosco zero ingegneri informatici involontariamente disoccupati, anzi zero ingegneri involontariamente disoccupati.
@@nick-k7k Ci sono ingegneri che sono costretti a fare altro e che non vengono retribuiti come dovrebbero.
Non puoi buttare tutto sul titolo
@@leonardoferrari4852 okay ma sempre meglio di non avere un lavoro no?? Tra l'altro la classe imprenditoriale italiana è spesso molto limitata, questo può lasciare spazio a giovani ambiziosi. È ovvio che la situazione non è ideale, prendere 1450€ dopo 5 anni di laurea non è il sogno americano, ma per esperienza se ci si rivela utili le aziende italiane spesso si sforzano a trattenere giovani ingegneri e programmatori. Non è raro trovare 25 enni che prendono 2k al mese netti in Emilia Romagna. Se vuoi di più c'è soltanto l'estero purtroppo.
Italy is a dying country. Just come here for vacation, we have the best places and food. If you think prices are excessive, well it's not a tourist thing, we have to deal with that daily while having 30 years ago salary.
Education system does not prepare us for the job market, at least Universities; at the same time employers (and the government) require the most ludicrous skills and expertise for the most basic jobs, often paid less 800€ (gross) per month.
It's a quicksand from which is hard to come out, even moreso considering that, even if expanses are pretty low (not considering the ridiculous prices of textbooks -if not illegaly photocopied- and rents), graduating at a University is a slow and time demanding process, impossible to speed up, and that many people drop out due to lack of fundings (our parents are in most cases the ones paying for everything, since you can't find a part-time job paying enough to finance your own studies). For the same reason, private universities and professional courses are out of reach, being expensive.
is this video extremely loud for anyone else???? I can't turn my headphones any lower and it is painful to listen to..
How can u explain the situation of a country by a person story? If u don’t work in Italy maybe the problem is not the job market….
what is the problem then?
@@isabelluongo935 His attitude?
Ma non farmi bestemmiare, don't talk if you don't know
Italy is always one of the best countries for growing, living and working ... Compared to hundreds of other countries. These interviews made are not representatives at all.
This was a very sad programme to watch. To see the youth of any country waste like this, truly is a scandal.
I want to wish both of these young men much luck for their futures and i hope they succeed.
Leonard’s style maybe is detrimental to his chances for better employment opportunities. Tattoos, long hair with receding hairline, big earrings and colourful clothes.
FINALLY someone is talking about this.
there's Italy you see in films and then there is Italy you see in cities.
Not the same thing