Own a Defender 110, it’s got character and no problems so far. 48,000 mile 5 year bumper to bumper warranty. Why worry? It looks great and it drives great, on and off road.
@@JTSLJR I’d worry about the 49,000 mark on ODO 😄 in all seriousness, if you buy cars every few years, then who cares, but if you keep long-term…maintenance will be an issue & $$$$$
Toyota has completely lost its way... Land Rover is making an aggressive comeback. The fit and finish in the Land Rover is leagues ahead of the Plasticky Toyota Toy... The engine offering in the Land Rover is also Top Tier the 3.0l V6 and 5.0l and 4.4l V8s are insane. Fuel economy is neck and neck and considering the Land Rover can Tow 2200 lbs more and is a far more luxurious ride. There really is no comparison. Especially not now given all the quality control issues Toyota has been having.
I looked at both of these. Land Rover dealer is across the street from the Toyota dealer where I live. I was initially looking only at the Defender. My wife and I walked around the LR lot for 20 minutes while the salesmen ignored us. Finally cornered one, told him I'd like to look at the Defenders on the lot. He said they all had QR codes on the windshield that I could scan if I wanted to know the price. Spent another 20 minutes scanning windshields and wandered over to a Range Rover Sport that my wife liked. Another salesman came out of the showroom to tell us the Sport was already sold, and then went back in without asking if he could help us with anything else. At the time, I hadn't really looked to much into the Land Cruiser, but saw one across the street. Walked over to look at it, salesman came out, started telling me about it. I was initially put off by the 4 cylinder engine, but the salesman encouraged me to test drive it and I found I really liked it. He showed me his out the door price, but put no further pressure on us. I took his card and he asked merely that I get back in touch when I was ready to buy. That experience shifted my attention to the Land Cruiser. Further research indicated it would have better resale value, and compared to some of the horror stories I read about Land Rover, better reliability in the short and long term. I already owned a 2007 Tundra with 257K miles, so I ultimately felt like the Land Cruiser was the better option for a vehicle I plan to diver for the next decade. Ultimately bought one from a different dealer who offered $3K below sticker, but the difference between the dealership experience is what started me towards the Land Cruiser. I'm now thankful that the Land Rover dealers were such jackasses, because I now have 2500 miles on my Land Cruiser and really like it.
LR dealers in the UK are just as bad. I speak from experience. We went to a main LR dealer in Lewes in Sussex, England with the intention of possibly buying a Defender. I asked the only person we could find, aged about 12, and they told us to look around the car park outside. It was raining. You couldn't tell which car was sold or which was new. We left and bought another brand.
@@hughhawley3169 You just gotta find the right dealership. I kept getting the run around from my local dealership but that was due to the pandemic and not my sales rep. He was actually awesome, not only was he very friendly and responsive, he let me demo one of the Defenders and take it home to test fit in my garage!! Sadly I ended up not buying from him because it was a smaller dealership and could t get an allocation. I ended up getting mine from a Dealership in Atlanta. That dealership was awesome! Smooth transitional purchase.
Owned a 2023 Defender 90 for 15 months now and love it, not a single issue with it. Really like the new Land Cruiser style, wish they offered a 2 door like the Defender. One thing I really love about the Defender is I have only ever seen 5 other 90"s in the 15 months of ownership and only average seeing 1 4 door a week in that time. It's nice having something unique.
I am just about to hit 6000 miles on my brand new P 400 defender and it is by far and without question the most wonderful vehicle I’ve ever driven or owned. It’s my fourth Land Rover product and one of those was an older defender. I bumped the warranty up to 10 years and 100,000 miles and I’m just hoping that it is somehow an exception, it feels like one.
@ I’m pretty sure it was part negotiation/part $. One of my least favorite things is actually buying a car. They claim they don’t negotiate and then they do. My knee jerk is around 6-7k more. I’m sure I got more or less fleeced but so it goes.
David, The Defender has 3 advantages: a) It offers a 2 door model b) It has a 40/20/40 second row c) The spare tire is mounted on the tailgate as it should be on any SUV. Hino does a fine job of building Prados as they have done for many years. Sadly, this generation has so far dropped the best 2 door model as well as the tailgate mounted spare and the 150 litre fuel capacity that came with it. Toyota's deletion of the 40/20/40 second row in the Land Cruiser (and 4Runner) is inexplicable and inexcusable. To end on a positive note in the Prado's favour, some lucky markets still get the 2TR-FE engine and that is something the Defender will never have. 🤩🤩
I've owned Land Rover and body on frame Toyota's, and I worked for Toyota for 21 years in South Africa, you simple cannot beat the reliability, dependibilty, durability and ruggedness of the Toyota, its miles ahead. Landover has far too many ECM's, and other gadgets to go wring, air compresses, etc. And when things break, your bank balance breaks with it.
I was shopping for a new off road / daily driving SUV and have never owned a Toyota or. Land Rover. I love the Land Rover look and luxury but reviews on line and from friends and family who have owed both said Toyota for reliability and cost. I have noticed the same punchiness with my land cruiser that I’ve owned for six months now and learned from another reviewer that if you drive it in Eco mode in the city, you won’t have that punchiness when stepping on the gas. Put it normal or sport mode for outside/ off-road city driving. Love my Land cruiser so far (after turning off some of the alarms lol).
Your concluding comments are spot on. I’ve ridden in a defender and own the Asian version Land Cruiser, ‘The Prado”. The Defender is definitely more upscale and luxurious. The Toyota isn’t as upscale but it balances off by its reliability, and after getting used to its size, I’m finding it fun to drive.
The defender is built to be a luxury car and be kept until just before the warranty expires. The Toyota is a vehicle that has better reliability and dependability than a LR and can be kept beyond its warranty period.
@@Βόρειο_Σέλας sure! There are tons of Discovery 3 and 4 on the road and new Toyota aren’t what they used to be. Land Rover increased quality control with the new vehicles and Toyota is dropping the ball.
@@stop_lying_bro that has been true in the past but a lot of people are questioning that with this new generation. If the LC had a NA V6 it would be a more valid point. The LC arguably has a less reliable power train now that it's new and it's paired with a hybrid system. The Defenders engine has been out for a while and it's simpler being non hybrid. Hopefully the LC proves to worthy of it's name.
David, this is an interesting comparison! I year leased a Defender, when they were still relatively new, just out of curiosity to see if all the hype was real and a unibody SUV could really be as good, off road. I was able to have it simultaneously with my 4Runner, so have an excellent basis for comparison. I can honestly say I loved just about everything about the Defender, on road and interior. It was the Defender inspired my desire to want a modern replacement for my 4Runner that had luxury interior and modern technology, but was body-on-frame, with solid rear axle, for the added articulation that I need. So my year with that Defender 100% inspired my eventual purchase of the GX550 lol. Defender would be chef's kiss perfect, if it were body-on frame, with an articulating solid rear axle. Toyota is also putting iconic names on improper platforms, to make money off the name (looking at you BMW Supra lol). Ultimately, I need a 4x4 able to get through some of the more technical trails that I had to avoid with the Defender, while exploring, so I'll always want the added articulation of a rear solid axle. Other than that very rare extreme use scenario that only 1% of owners will encounter, I really love the Defender and highly recommend it! 😊 Thanks again!
It feels like he purposely left out a lot of negatives about the LC and positives from the Defender. LC is nice I have to admit but for the money, the Defender is the better vehicle.
@ very true and you can get a 130 if you need even more space! I’ve recently heard some reviews from people who have owned a LC for months now and they say there are a lot of rattles and the hood flops and vibrates at speed.
Thank You for your Videos. I have a LR2 /Freelander 2 with over 300,000 Miles on it. I change oil every 3k Miles and replace parts as needed. Most of all, I drive it like it is Transportation and not a Race Car so Parts do nor wear out as quickly.
Good work, David. I have the LC FE, just like yours. Drove The old school Land Cruiser for 14 years and loved that. The 2024 is not as solid as the old LC but the off road system is better and fuel economy is great. I had money down on a Defender but couldn’t get past the poor reliability. Land Rover continues to be at the bottom of the JD Powers reliability index.
There was nothing engineering in this review. Everything was based on subjective opinion, even the ridiculous measurement of the gaps. The 100 times mentioned monocoque and body on frame construction was not proven with any stiffness numbers. It looks more like a hidden advertisement for Toyota to me. Please, in the future, do not write "Engineering" in the title.
In the U.S., Land Rover / Range Rover are leased by flashy people who are in debt to their eyebrows on everything they own. They, however, believe they are impressing everyone while not having any actual wealth. Land Cruiser owners, on the other hand, typically pay cash for their Land Cruisers and own them for some time. The Land Cruiser name is very highly respected and is considered a subtle high end luxury SUV owned by stealth wealth.
I'm buying my Defender 90 and my payment is less than the lease on it. Most people don't even know what it is so I don't think I'm impressing anyone with it. I will say I have gotten a lot of strange looks though back on the game trails in Pennsylvania, those hunters are just used to pickups and probably Wranglers back there.
Love these vids. I own the new LC and we have been a Range Rover family up until that time. The defender is worlds better inside and I think they are even on and off-road (from other videos). What made the difference for me is the insane expense to fix and maintain and Range Rover. The Toyota will last longer and cost way way less to keep going-that made my choice easy.
I am owner of LC 250, pure diesel, luxury variant. My last car was Landcruiser 200 v8 year 2013. Now In comparison it feel I am now driving a Yaris. I used before that Landcruiser 100vx. Few things: it does not feel powerful, it concumes a lot of fuel. My LC spent 8l/100 km in even long range driving. My LC 200 spent 12l/100 km. It was a bit if a shock to find out that LC 250 is always in front drive and spend 12l/100 km in even long range tours. In city driving is a average 14l/100 albeit cold weather. When you keep panorama window clovered the space between the glass and cover collect moister and water. There are lots of positive things but I regret very much having sold my 11 years old LC 200 and wish I known more binbeforehand more about LC250. I trusted Toyota too much. sold my LC 200 0:20 months before the new LC arrived so I had limited options. Living in Iceland with a lot of snow and difficult roads in the inerior of Iceland, any LC is a better option than any other SUV and Defender would by far behind Bronco or GMC. An LC is in huge majority of SUV in Iceland. Still, I am dissapointed.
Recent Top Gear off-road test on TH-cam: Land Cruiser 250, Ineos, G-wagen and Defender. Worth noting the LC was handicapped by the grim 200bhp turbodiesel we have to endure in Europe - and it still won: 1 LC 2= G-wagen & Ineos 4 Defender
Interesting video dude……. But the Land Cruiser is running 1960’s technology!!!! The original Range Rover had an independent chassis and coil springs with a steel rod to hold up the bonnet!!! The new Defender has air suspension and numerous off roading options that are electronic, hence you can customise your drive…. Land Rover has decided to use technology….., Toyota has stayed old school!!!! Let the battle begin!!!! Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿👍🍸🍸
Doesn’t Toyota have a huge quality issue with new engines ? Also, of course our have the right to your opinion, but there is no comparison. Materials quality is Toyota is incredibly cheap. Not sure where you felt the soft materials in the Toyota. The whole door is hard plastic as is the dash. The ride is also incomparable. The defender rides AND handles much better. The Toyota rides like a brick. I have driven both and decided with the defender as it is overall much more refined. I was impressed with the Toyotas off-roading capabilities. Nice job in all your reviews.
Resale value says it all!!! Numbers speak for itself!!! The ONLY reason and I mean the ONLY reason Land Rover sells is because of the weight of the vehicle that people like me use section 179 to write off the Entire amount of the Defender on my Income taxes. If the Defenser was 4800 pounds it would sell 50% less!!!
In the UK, Land Rover has loads of style and is popular with wealthy mummies married to mortgage slave husbands. Toyota has all the cachet of a washing machine but is arguably more reliable.
Parts of US and Continental Europe have the same attitude, it's funny how it starts changing the more you move towards countries where long distance dependability and off-road capability becomes huge benefit (Eastern Europe, Balkan region, Southeast Asian countries, South America, Middle-East, Africa, Australia, etc..). The attitude switches and Land Cruiser isn't seen as appliance but as status/statement of robustness and capability. As avid traveller and car camper, I sometimes see new Defender in camps but it looks wrong, just off somehow. While it looks great in the photo next to that medieval estate, among outdoor crowds in muddy hiking boots, torn down jackets it doesn't blend no matter how off-road they made it look.
In the U.S., Land Rover / Range Rover are leased by flashy people who are in debt to their eyebrows on everything they own. They, however, believe they are impressing everyone while not having any actual wealth. Land Cruiser owners, on the other hand, typically pay cash for their Land Cruisers and own them for some time. The Land Cruiser name is very highly respected and is considered a subtle high end luxury SUV owned by stealth wealth.
My LC has 320K Miles, no problem. I had a Range Rover (Different LR) and was always in the shop. Toyota reliability is no comparison. There is a saying among 4x4 nuts, you want to go to a real 4x4 adventure, take a Defender. You want to come back from that trip in the same vehicle, take the LC.
My 1994 LC has 290,000 miles on it and I have had 7 Toyota vehicles. Up until my 2022 Tundra they all were great. I had an engine grenade at 45K, replaced with dealer replaced short block. I have had multiple seat parts break (I weigh 170 pounds), plastic parts fall off and multiple other issues. I realize the Tundra is American made, but I think the bigger problem Toyota is resting on its laurels. After calling Toyota's national support multiple times, I think asking questions at a McDonald's drive through would have been more productive.
Lot of interesting points... Had no idea the Land Cruiser did that on acceleration, annoying. I prefer the designs of the Defender but heard too many complaints by other TH-cam reviewers e.g. It suddenly shut down on.. Reviewer days it has nothing to do with the"start so".. then at the 100 mile mark another defender need servicing
My friend flexes his 24 Defender; he is so happy he purchased his dream car. I'm happy for him too. 3 months later, I catch him rides in a different car. I find out his car is in the shop due to electronic computers system and transmission making some noise.... I give him a gentle smile and say " YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.... " YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.....😏😏 After that, we don't talk anymore!! 😅
Landrover and ANY British car can't compete with ANY Toyota from a long term reliability/durability and resale perspective. If you won a British car, you need to have 2 for when it is in the shop!! Any new car should drive nice.... but the longer that they are on the road, the more issues will pop up. Toyota has a reputation of building the most reliable cars... and the Landcrusher is one of the most reliable nameplates in their stable! In SC, I see a 60s 2 door version of the Landcrusher and it is still in gorgeous shape!!! My uncle nearly died when his Landcrusher flipped in the 80s... thankfully he was wearing his seatbelt or I wouldn't have my 3 cousins.... 😄
@JonLucy_downunder I mean in terms of price, design, powertrain etc... And, from South Africa, we agree....For mom taking kids to school (in the city), I suppose a Defender will do... for the bush, only Cruiser will do
Yes, I had wanted to buy a 2024 Land Cruiser, but honestly, they are rarer than hen's teeth. I wanted one now, and not in three years time. So I saved 30K and bought myself a one year old Defender 110 a couple of months ago. It's fantastic and looking forward to lots of adventures in 2025!
The Defender in Tasman blue, with the 5 spoke silver wheels is the best looking SUV on the road by a wide margin. As far as reliability? That's another issue altogether!
I saw that when I was researching Defenders. I usually don't buy extended warranty and things like that but I did get the wind shield insurance for my D90 with the heated wind shield. 15 months in no problems with it.
Was in the auto repair and parts industry for 15 years. When I talk to them, land Rover, still plagued with electronic and mechanical issues. Tata group (I think that's who owns them) still using Chinese parts. If you want high tech cool car, land Rover is great, as long as you don't kind maintenance costs that are insane. Toyota quality is is catching up but dependability is dropping. Engine getting iffy, hybrid systems are still great but cost is creeping up. I don't know about these new turbo 6 and 4s. Just bring back the no nonsense 35k land cruisers. That you can modify and run into the ground
I trust Japanese build quality, driving Mitsubishi Pajeros for 34 years now. The Landcruiser would be my choice. But in my country, the Netherlands, the government is concerned about the energy-transition. That is why, we have to pay extreme taxes according to CO2 output of the engine. So, a Defender 110 PHEV costs here 90.000 euros, which is a bargain, and a new Landcruiser (only available with diesel engine) costs 180.000 euros !!! 😳 You can buy 2 Defenders, and have one for spareparts 😄, for the price of one Landcruiser ! This makes the decision which to buy easy......
Here in Western Australia Toyota and Ford Ranger are sought after what ever versions ,but I am statring to see a stack of the new Defenders on the roads locally but the are so damned expensive here very rarely under $100.000 even second hand as well as the Cruisers. Both of these vehicles used prices are staying high due to the demand for both.
Decent review; however, if you're talking drive quality it's a little unfair to compliment one over the other when the LC that was tested in this video appears to have aftermarket wheels and tires, giving it a wider stance which would affect the driving significantly when it comes to the body roll and cornering mentioned. The LC has been said to have significant body roll and drive clumsy with stock wheels and tires that have a larger sidewall. The LR appears to have stock options included on the vehicle tested. Just surprised to see this from an engineer's perspective.
All of my comments about my Land Cruiser is based on my experience driving it BEFORE I changed the wheels (which happened recently). So the video shows the vehicle with new wheels and tires, my comments are based on the Land Cruiser with the standard wheels and tires.
@@AutomotivePress Noted, didn't catch that mentioned in the video that the tires were changed AFTER the opinion being based off the original impressions which wouldn't have raised that thought as a viewer.
SUVs tested on suburban streets. What is the point of SUVs ? Get a Corolla. Or an already proven, war-hardened Land Cruiser if you wish to do country driving. Why mothers drive their children to school in an SUV is beyond my understanding.
The defender isn't reliable and the other one has power but seems to work hard to move around because of the small engine. Both I would not buy. The lexus gx is totally fine but Toyota has some work to do to make it worthy of the former Toyota drivetrain. I'm confident Toyota will get there with the V6 but they know they messed up which is why the former CEO had to formally apologize
You are totally Japanese toyota biased...the Defender has far better Engines.. the 4cly engine in the landcruiser is crap and I would never buy one!! the interior in the defender blows the landcruiser away..
@@matthewjames4268 I own a Toyota that is on its second engine replacement. Toyota reliability is overrated,majority of the people who comment about Land Rovers being unreliable have never owned one before.
@@michaelopere5424 you're a rare one. Zoom out and look at the big picture. Toyotas are the top and have been for decades. Sure a few problems over the years.
Yeah but that’s the thing defenders have a cult like following just like the Land Cruiser does so both are global icons there are Land Cruiser customers and defender customers both are pretty loyal
Land cruisers have problems too. They rattle, things break, & loads of recalls. I have a 300 series. It's OK but I've had as much trouble with it as with my Disco 2+3 & Ranger Rover sport.
While the Defenders are more likely to have longer term repair issues, they will also be more expensive to repair once the vehicle is out of warranty. I'd be a daily worry.
Squeaks and rattles? That LC will rattle like a baby’s toy with all that cheap plastic. I love Toyota but they should be ashamed at what they’re charging for some of the LC models based on the materials.
In England the auto journalists took the land cruiser VS defender. G - class and the grenadier but the land cruiser came on top beating up the other 3 the 3 costs a lot more than the land cruiser but the land cruiser is winners 🏆
Let’s also remember that your/this LC in the video was delivered to you with several imperfections - trim pieces, etc. So I would not say that Hino plant is delivered a perfect vehicle to you. Most likely the first model year niggles will get ironed out, but I’m just thinking back to your video about this topic when you first received the car.
It's true that my Land Cruiser was not perfect, but mine was built in the first month of production so it's a very early version... also the dents in the roof turned out to be errors done by the port installers, who installed the First Edition roof rack. Otherwise the car has been nearly perfect.
Let’s be honest, there is almost zero engineering insight into your videos. Almost nothing quantitative, just a viewpoint. Absolutely no different to any other poor to avg reviewer car reviewer on YT. Savage Geese is still the daddy
Toyota got infiltrated with hidari wokey blokeys and messed up their core vision. I would still buy a Tundra, LC, 4Runner, GX, LX...... maybe in the next generation though. These new engines are disappointing. EPA, NHTB-NHTSA, DOT (will get deleted or consolidated thinly) CARB will be completely Removed. Toyota needs a rethink asap.
Own a Defender 110, it’s got character and no problems so far. 48,000 mile 5 year bumper to bumper warranty. Why worry? It looks great and it drives great, on and off road.
Is it 4 years or 5 years?
@@JTSLJR cheers on such an awesome vehicle!
After 5 years. Land rover will make u bankrupt. Lland cruiser after 25 years will be in tact.
@@JTSLJR I’d worry about the 49,000 mark on ODO 😄 in all seriousness, if you buy cars every few years, then who cares, but if you keep long-term…maintenance will be an issue & $$$$$
Has it broken down yet?😂😂
The Toyota fanboys will hear no negativity on the LC and will always bang on about reliability of any LR product.. confirmation bias reigns supreme!
Toyota has completely lost its way... Land Rover is making an aggressive comeback.
The fit and finish in the Land Rover is leagues ahead of the Plasticky Toyota Toy...
The engine offering in the Land Rover is also Top Tier the 3.0l V6 and 5.0l and 4.4l V8s are insane.
Fuel economy is neck and neck and considering the Land Rover can Tow 2200 lbs more and is a far more luxurious ride.
There really is no comparison.
Especially not now given all the quality control issues Toyota has been having.
Ive had my land cruiser for 150 miles and i absolutely love love love it!!!!!
Own a 110 defender for 4 years no problem with it and most importantly serviced every six months 😊
I looked at both of these. Land Rover dealer is across the street from the Toyota dealer where I live. I was initially looking only at the Defender. My wife and I walked around the LR lot for 20 minutes while the salesmen ignored us. Finally cornered one, told him I'd like to look at the Defenders on the lot. He said they all had QR codes on the windshield that I could scan if I wanted to know the price. Spent another 20 minutes scanning windshields and wandered over to a Range Rover Sport that my wife liked. Another salesman came out of the showroom to tell us the Sport was already sold, and then went back in without asking if he could help us with anything else.
At the time, I hadn't really looked to much into the Land Cruiser, but saw one across the street. Walked over to look at it, salesman came out, started telling me about it. I was initially put off by the 4 cylinder engine, but the salesman encouraged me to test drive it and I found I really liked it. He showed me his out the door price, but put no further pressure on us. I took his card and he asked merely that I get back in touch when I was ready to buy.
That experience shifted my attention to the Land Cruiser. Further research indicated it would have better resale value, and compared to some of the horror stories I read about Land Rover, better reliability in the short and long term. I already owned a 2007 Tundra with 257K miles, so I ultimately felt like the Land Cruiser was the better option for a vehicle I plan to diver for the next decade.
Ultimately bought one from a different dealer who offered $3K below sticker, but the difference between the dealership experience is what started me towards the Land Cruiser. I'm now thankful that the Land Rover dealers were such jackasses, because I now have 2500 miles on my Land Cruiser and really like it.
Smart move. Otherwise you would be spending a lot of time in the Land Rover service dept as it falls apart.
LR dealers in the UK are just as bad. I speak from experience. We went to a main LR dealer in Lewes in Sussex, England with the intention of possibly buying a Defender. I asked the only person we could find, aged about 12, and they told us to look around the car park outside. It was raining. You couldn't tell which car was sold or which was new. We left and bought another brand.
@@hughhawley3169 You just gotta find the right dealership. I kept getting the run around from my local dealership but that was due to the pandemic and not my sales rep. He was actually awesome, not only was he very friendly and responsive, he let me demo one of the Defenders and take it home to test fit in my garage!! Sadly I ended up not buying from him because it was a smaller dealership and could t get an allocation.
I ended up getting mine from a Dealership in Atlanta. That dealership was awesome! Smooth transitional purchase.
Sticking with my 97 Defender 90.
26 years and not a damn thing I couldn't fix.
They will bury me in it.
@@hughhawley3169 why was my message deleted?
Definitely Defender, own one for a year, 20k miles, not a single issue, love it. Get a better engine, mine does 0-60 in 5.6
Let me know your experience when if has done 500k kms. Yes, Toyotas do that easily. Don't forget to mention how many engines it's had!
@ I can afford to change 5 cars in that time. Tech is advancing so fast, why would I keep the same car for 10-15 years ? Every 3 years, get new one
@@elbekmusinov2968 You do like to waste your money.
Affording to change a car every 3-4 years, is not waste. Life is too short to drive one car forever
I make 6 digit figure annually, not buying lambos or rolls Royce,
Definitely the DEFENDER for me !
Owned a 2023 Defender 90 for 15 months now and love it, not a single issue with it. Really like the new Land Cruiser style, wish they offered a 2 door like the Defender. One thing I really love about the Defender is I have only ever seen 5 other 90"s in the 15 months of ownership and only average seeing 1 4 door a week in that time. It's nice having something unique.
I am just about to hit 6000 miles on my brand new P 400 defender and it is by far and without question the most wonderful vehicle I’ve ever driven or owned. It’s my fourth Land Rover product and one of those was an older defender. I bumped the warranty up to 10 years and 100,000 miles and I’m just hoping that it is somehow an exception, it feels like one.
@@Mugwump7 may I ask what’s the $$ for the 10 year warranty?
My original factory warranty is about to expire at the beginning of 2025.
@ I’m pretty sure it was part negotiation/part $. One of my least favorite things is actually buying a car. They claim they don’t negotiate and then they do. My knee jerk is around 6-7k more. I’m sure I got more or less fleeced but so it goes.
@@Mugwump7 very interwesting. Thanks
David, The Defender has 3 advantages: a) It offers a 2 door model b) It has a 40/20/40 second row c) The spare tire is mounted on the tailgate as it should be on any SUV.
Hino does a fine job of building Prados as they have done for many years. Sadly, this generation has so far dropped the best 2 door model as well as the tailgate mounted
spare and the 150 litre fuel capacity that came with it. Toyota's deletion of the 40/20/40 second row in the Land Cruiser (and 4Runner) is inexplicable and inexcusable. To end
on a positive note in the Prado's favour, some lucky markets still get the 2TR-FE engine and that is something the Defender will never have. 🤩🤩
Those are minor quirks that a majority of buyers really don’t care for. The vehicle is is in high demand and Toyota knows the market.
I ❤ LC
I have a LC. Couldn’t car less about 40/20/40, hate the look/functionality of having the spare mounted on the tailgate and 2 door SUVs are gross
Land cruiser for me, i believe in Toyota quality
So do I
I've owned Land Rover and body on frame Toyota's, and I worked for Toyota for 21 years in South Africa, you simple cannot beat the reliability, dependibilty, durability and ruggedness of the Toyota, its miles ahead. Landover has far too many ECM's, and other gadgets to go wring, air compresses, etc. And when things break, your bank balance breaks with it.
You mean Toyota Land cruiser Better than Deffender
I appreciate your honesty and straightforward analysis comparing these two. I think you made the wise choice.💯 17:47
Defender. Period. Thanks for the vid, tho - very well done (from another automotive engineer).
I was shopping for a new off road / daily driving SUV and have never owned a Toyota or. Land Rover. I love the Land Rover look and luxury but reviews on line and from friends and family who have owed both said Toyota for reliability and cost. I have noticed the same punchiness with my land cruiser that I’ve owned for six months now and learned from another reviewer that if you drive it in Eco mode in the city, you won’t have that punchiness when stepping on the gas. Put it normal or sport mode for outside/ off-road city driving. Love my Land cruiser so far (after turning off some of the alarms lol).
Your concluding comments are spot on. I’ve ridden in a defender and own the Asian version Land Cruiser, ‘The Prado”. The Defender is definitely more upscale and luxurious. The Toyota isn’t as upscale but it balances off by its reliability, and after getting used to its size, I’m finding it fun to drive.
@@MPC-dude hold that thought on reliability for LC, they aren’t old enough to judge that but the new Defender has also been reliable….
Would like to see you do a GX550 Overtrail v Land Cruiser video
Great comparison David !!!! Thank you !!!!!
The defender is built to be a luxury car and be kept until just before the warranty expires. The Toyota is a vehicle that has better reliability and dependability than a LR and can be kept beyond its warranty period.
@@Βόρειο_Σέλας sure! There are tons of Discovery 3 and 4 on the road and new Toyota aren’t what they used to be. Land Rover increased quality control with the new vehicles and Toyota is dropping the ball.
@@stop_lying_bro I did hear the same and drive a 2013 Defender myself.
@@stop_lying_bro that has been true in the past but a lot of people are questioning that with this new generation. If the LC had a NA V6 it would be a more valid point. The LC arguably has a less reliable power train now that it's new and it's paired with a hybrid system. The Defenders engine has been out for a while and it's simpler being non hybrid. Hopefully the LC proves to worthy of it's name.
David, this is an interesting comparison! I year leased a Defender, when they were still relatively new, just out of curiosity to see if all the hype was real and a unibody SUV could really be as good, off road. I was able to have it simultaneously with my 4Runner, so have an excellent basis for comparison. I can honestly say I loved just about everything about the Defender, on road and interior. It was the Defender inspired my desire to want a modern replacement for my 4Runner that had luxury interior and modern technology, but was body-on-frame, with solid rear axle, for the added articulation that I need. So my year with that Defender 100% inspired my eventual purchase of the GX550 lol. Defender would be chef's kiss perfect, if it were body-on frame, with an articulating solid rear axle. Toyota is also putting iconic names on improper platforms, to make money off the name (looking at you BMW Supra lol). Ultimately, I need a 4x4 able to get through some of the more technical trails that I had to avoid with the Defender, while exploring, so I'll always want the added articulation of a rear solid axle. Other than that very rare extreme use scenario that only 1% of owners will encounter, I really love the Defender and highly recommend it! 😊
Thanks again!
It feels like he purposely left out a lot of negatives about the LC and positives from the Defender. LC is nice I have to admit but for the money, the Defender is the better vehicle.
It definitely wins in the cargo space category. Thats one of the biggest turn offs with the LC is the lackluster design of the battery and the cargo.
@ very true and you can get a 130 if you need even more space! I’ve recently heard some reviews from people who have owned a LC for months now and they say there are a lot of rattles and the hood flops and vibrates at speed.
@@stop_lying_bro sadly that sounds all too familiar with us Defender owners, minus the hood vibrating.
GX550 Overtrail vs Defender, please!
Thank You for your Videos. I have a LR2 /Freelander 2 with over 300,000 Miles on it. I change oil every 3k Miles and replace parts as needed. Most of all, I drive it like it is Transportation and not a Race Car so Parts do nor wear out as quickly.
Defender has better balance, more space, LC has more nose dive and it transfer a lot more into the cabin
Good work, David. I have the LC FE, just like yours. Drove
The old school Land Cruiser for 14 years and loved that. The 2024 is not as solid as the old LC but the off road system is better and fuel economy is great. I had money down on a Defender but couldn’t get past the poor reliability. Land Rover continues to be at the bottom of the JD Powers reliability index.
There was nothing engineering in this review. Everything was based on subjective opinion, even the ridiculous measurement of the gaps. The 100 times mentioned monocoque and body on frame construction was not proven with any stiffness numbers. It looks more like a hidden advertisement for Toyota to me. Please, in the future, do not write "Engineering" in the title.
The LC needs the 6 cylinder diesel 3.0 used in the LC 300 .
Lease a Defender, purchase a Landcruiser
In the U.S., Land Rover / Range Rover are leased by flashy people who are in debt to their eyebrows on everything they own. They, however, believe they are impressing everyone while not having any actual wealth.
Land Cruiser owners, on the other hand, typically pay cash for their Land Cruisers and own them for some time. The Land Cruiser name is very highly respected and is considered a subtle high end luxury SUV owned by stealth wealth.
I'm buying my Defender 90 and my payment is less than the lease on it. Most people don't even know what it is so I don't think I'm impressing anyone with it. I will say I have gotten a lot of strange looks though back on the game trails in Pennsylvania, those hunters are just used to pickups and probably Wranglers back there.
Love these vids. I own the new LC and we have been a Range Rover family up until that time. The defender is worlds better inside and I think they are even on and off-road (from other videos). What made the difference for me is the insane expense to fix and maintain and Range Rover. The Toyota will last longer and cost way way less to keep going-that made my choice easy.
I am owner of LC 250, pure diesel, luxury variant. My last car was Landcruiser 200 v8 year 2013. Now In comparison it feel I am now driving a Yaris. I used before that Landcruiser 100vx. Few things: it does not feel powerful, it concumes a lot of fuel. My LC spent 8l/100 km in even long range driving. My LC 200 spent 12l/100 km. It was a bit if a shock to find out that LC 250 is always in front drive and spend 12l/100 km in even long range tours. In city driving is a average 14l/100 albeit cold weather. When you keep panorama window clovered the space between the glass and cover collect moister and water. There are lots of positive things but I regret very much having sold my 11 years old LC 200 and wish I known more binbeforehand more about LC250. I trusted Toyota too much. sold my LC 200
0:20 months before the new LC arrived so I had limited options. Living in Iceland with a lot of snow and difficult roads in the inerior of Iceland, any LC is a better option than any other SUV and Defender would by far behind Bronco or GMC. An LC is in huge majority of SUV in Iceland. Still, I am dissapointed.
When it comes to looks, there is no contest. The Defender 90 in particular, just looks awesome.
Recent Top Gear off-road test on TH-cam: Land Cruiser 250, Ineos, G-wagen and Defender.
Worth noting the LC was handicapped by the grim 200bhp turbodiesel we have to endure in Europe - and it still won:
1 LC
2= G-wagen & Ineos
4 Defender
Very bad testing from Top Gear..
I still love my Defender but if I had a choice, I would have chosen the Land Cruiser
Interesting video dude……. But the Land Cruiser is running 1960’s technology!!!!
The original Range Rover had an independent chassis and coil springs with a steel rod to hold up the bonnet!!!
The new Defender has air suspension and numerous off roading options that are electronic, hence you can customise your drive….
Land Rover has decided to use technology….., Toyota has stayed old school!!!!
Let the battle begin!!!!
Regards Ian 👨🎤🇳🇿👍🍸🍸
Am Landcruiser 250, the king od African roads, easy to work on, easy to maintain, long lasting
Not this model … yes the old ones ( I have the 1958BTW)
Nice video David. Any news on when Toyota will release info on upcoming Land Hopper/Mini Land Cruiser?
Doesn’t Toyota have a huge quality issue with new engines ?
Also, of course our have the right to your opinion, but there is no comparison. Materials quality is Toyota is incredibly cheap. Not sure where you felt the soft materials in the Toyota. The whole door is hard plastic as is the dash.
The ride is also incomparable. The defender rides AND handles much better. The Toyota rides like a brick.
I have driven both and decided with the defender as it is overall much more refined.
I was impressed with the Toyotas off-roading capabilities.
Nice job in all your reviews.
Dave, any news on the Land Cruiser FJ? I'm patiently waiting for one. :)
Resale value says it all!!! Numbers speak for itself!!! The ONLY reason and I mean the ONLY reason Land Rover sells is because of the weight of the vehicle that people like me use section 179 to write off the Entire amount of the Defender on my Income taxes. If the Defenser was 4800 pounds it would sell 50% less!!!
In the UK, Land Rover has loads of style and is popular with wealthy mummies married to mortgage slave husbands. Toyota has all the cachet of a washing machine but is arguably more reliable.
Parts of US and Continental Europe have the same attitude, it's funny how it starts changing the more you move towards countries where long distance dependability and off-road capability becomes huge benefit (Eastern Europe, Balkan region, Southeast Asian countries, South America, Middle-East, Africa, Australia, etc..). The attitude switches and Land Cruiser isn't seen as appliance but as status/statement of robustness and capability.
As avid traveller and car camper, I sometimes see new Defender in camps but it looks wrong, just off somehow. While it looks great in the photo next to that medieval estate, among outdoor crowds in muddy hiking boots, torn down jackets it doesn't blend no matter how off-road they made it look.
In the U.S., Land Rover / Range Rover are leased by flashy people who are in debt to their eyebrows on everything they own. They, however, believe they are impressing everyone while not having any actual wealth.
Land Cruiser owners, on the other hand, typically pay cash for their Land Cruisers and own them for some time. The Land Cruiser name is very highly respected and is considered a subtle high end luxury SUV owned by stealth wealth.
My LC has 320K Miles, no problem. I had a Range Rover (Different LR) and was always in the shop. Toyota reliability is no comparison. There is a saying among 4x4 nuts, you want to go to a real 4x4 adventure, take a Defender. You want to come back from that trip in the same vehicle, take the LC.
My 1994 LC has 290,000 miles on it and I have had 7 Toyota vehicles. Up until my 2022 Tundra they all were great. I had an engine grenade at 45K, replaced with dealer replaced short block. I have had multiple seat parts break (I weigh 170 pounds), plastic parts fall off and multiple other issues. I realize the Tundra is American made, but I think the bigger problem Toyota is resting on its laurels.
After calling Toyota's national support multiple times, I think asking questions at a McDonald's drive through would have been more productive.
I would choose the Lexus GX 550 over those two.
Lot of interesting points... Had no idea the Land Cruiser did that on acceleration, annoying.
I prefer the designs of the Defender but heard too many complaints by other TH-cam reviewers e.g. It suddenly shut down on.. Reviewer days it has nothing to do with the"start so".. then at the 100 mile mark another defender need servicing
My friend flexes his 24 Defender; he is so happy he purchased his dream car. I'm happy for him too. 3 months later, I catch him rides in a different car. I find out his car is in the shop due to electronic computers system and transmission making some noise....
I give him a gentle smile and say " YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.... "
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.....😏😏
After that, we don't talk anymore!! 😅
Thank you David!! Your videos are always high quality 🔥🔥🔥
Still don't want a land rover. So Landcruiser it is.
Landrover and ANY British car can't compete with ANY Toyota from a long term reliability/durability and resale perspective. If you won a British car, you need to have 2 for when it is in the shop!!
Any new car should drive nice.... but the longer that they are on the road, the more issues will pop up. Toyota has a reputation of building the most reliable cars... and the Landcrusher is one of the most reliable nameplates in their stable! In SC, I see a 60s 2 door version of the Landcrusher and it is still in gorgeous shape!!!
My uncle nearly died when his Landcrusher flipped in the 80s... thankfully he was wearing his seatbelt or I wouldn't have my 3 cousins.... 😄
For markets outside the US, the better comparison would be the Defender vs the Land Cruiser 300.
From Australia, we would never put those in the same league ever.
@JonLucy_downunder I mean in terms of price, design, powertrain etc... And, from South Africa, we agree....For mom taking kids to school (in the city), I suppose a Defender will do... for the bush, only Cruiser will do
Yes, I had wanted to buy a 2024 Land Cruiser, but honestly, they are rarer than hen's teeth. I wanted one now, and not in three years time. So I saved 30K and bought myself a one year old Defender 110 a couple of months ago. It's fantastic and looking forward to lots of adventures in 2025!
Important technical question - does the Land Cruiser have sufficient towing capacity to tow the Land Rover home?
Land Cruiser over Land Rover / Range Rover all day long.
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Defender is superior.
But not THIS particular LC. It’s garbage.
😂😅😂😅@@tinkertable1977
The Defender in Tasman blue, with the 5 spoke silver wheels is the best looking SUV on the road by a wide margin. As far as reliability? That's another issue altogether!
The LC250, cheaply built and overly priced
Look up Defender windshield replacements. LR needs to fix the problem
I saw that when I was researching Defenders. I usually don't buy extended warranty and things like that but I did get the wind shield insurance for my D90 with the heated wind shield. 15 months in no problems with it.
All cars face this problem, the glass is thinner for weight reduction.
@@NewDefenderP not like this. People having multiple replacements.
I’d chose a Lexus. Toyota reliability, plus a bit of lux.
Was in the auto repair and parts industry for 15 years. When I talk to them, land Rover, still plagued with electronic and mechanical issues. Tata group (I think that's who owns them) still using Chinese parts. If you want high tech cool car, land Rover is great, as long as you don't kind maintenance costs that are insane.
Toyota quality is is catching up but dependability is dropping. Engine getting iffy, hybrid systems are still great but cost is creeping up. I don't know about these new turbo 6 and 4s.
Just bring back the no nonsense 35k land cruisers. That you can modify and run into the ground
I trust Japanese build quality, driving Mitsubishi Pajeros for 34 years now.
The Landcruiser would be my choice.
But in my country, the Netherlands, the government is concerned about the energy-transition.
That is why, we have to pay extreme taxes according to CO2 output of the engine.
So, a Defender 110 PHEV costs here 90.000 euros, which is a bargain, and a new Landcruiser (only available with diesel engine) costs 180.000 euros !!! 😳
You can buy 2 Defenders, and have one for spareparts 😄, for the price of one Landcruiser !
This makes the decision which to buy easy......
Nothing can beats the Land cruiser
C’mon Land Cruisers are bulletproof as are Toyota’s in general but on an even higher level. Do some research, it’s hands down the winner 🏆
Here in Western Australia Toyota and Ford Ranger are sought after what ever versions ,but I am statring to see a stack of the new Defenders on the roads locally but the are so damned expensive here very rarely under $100.000 even second hand as well as the Cruisers.
Both of these vehicles used prices are staying high due to the demand for both.
The defender offers just more choices in body styles and colors and engine options. I love the Toyota but defender for me on this one.
Decent review; however, if you're talking drive quality it's a little unfair to compliment one over the other when the LC that was tested in this video appears to have aftermarket wheels and tires, giving it a wider stance which would affect the driving significantly when it comes to the body roll and cornering mentioned. The LC has been said to have significant body roll and drive clumsy with stock wheels and tires that have a larger sidewall. The LR appears to have stock options included on the vehicle tested. Just surprised to see this from an engineer's perspective.
All of my comments about my Land Cruiser is based on my experience driving it BEFORE I changed the wheels (which happened recently). So the video shows the vehicle with new wheels and tires, my comments are based on the Land Cruiser with the standard wheels and tires.
@@AutomotivePress Noted, didn't catch that mentioned in the video that the tires were changed AFTER the opinion being based off the original impressions which wouldn't have raised that thought as a viewer.
I see your tires are not the normal stock ones, What size did you upgrade to? And what is the ET on theme??
SUVs tested on suburban streets. What is the point of SUVs ? Get a Corolla. Or an already proven, war-hardened Land Cruiser if you wish to do country driving. Why mothers drive their children to school in an SUV is beyond my understanding.
If you want to go into the Bush take a Land Rover. If you want to come back out take a Landcruiser 😂
The defender isn't reliable and the other one has power but seems to work hard to move around because of the small engine. Both I would not buy. The lexus gx is totally fine but Toyota has some work to do to make it worthy of the former Toyota drivetrain. I'm confident Toyota will get there with the V6 but they know they messed up which is why the former CEO had to formally apologize
I like defender very much
Still I stand with LC200, and 4Runner 5th gen
You are totally Japanese toyota biased...the Defender has far better Engines.. the 4cly engine in the landcruiser is crap and I would never buy one!! the interior in the defender blows the landcruiser away..
If my 1991 70 series Land Cruiser ever wears out, I would probable get the new Land Cruiser.
If.
Air suspension is a terrible product. They fail all the time. Why Toyota engineer said they will never use it.
No they don’t lol.
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TFL owned a Landrover LR4 that was nearly 20 years old,it still had it's original air suspension.
@@michaelopere5424 lol 1 video and you're a believer.
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I own a Toyota that is on its second engine replacement.
Toyota reliability is overrated,majority of the people who comment about Land Rovers being unreliable have never owned one before.
@@michaelopere5424 you're a rare one. Zoom out and look at the big picture. Toyotas are the top and have been for decades. Sure a few problems over the years.
Yeah but that’s the thing defenders have a cult like following just like the Land Cruiser does so both are global icons there are Land Cruiser customers and defender customers both are pretty loyal
Land cruisers have problems too. They rattle, things break, & loads of recalls. I have a 300 series. It's OK but I've had as much trouble with it as with my Disco 2+3 & Ranger Rover sport.
Land cruiser all day long
What happened to the LX600 v G Wagon requested long ago? WTH!
More premium with Lexus GX
I am waiting for the 2025 4Runner. Then compare the 2025 4Runner to the Defender. Maybe the 130 and not the 110?
Big fan of Toyota but I wish they had a 6 cylinder as an option. Not a fan of a 4 cylinder even with turbo
The Toy 4 cil. Diesel engine is a crap
Neither.
20 years later the land rover is just a bunch of problems but the toyota remains ready for duty. ❤
Boring reaction...pfff
Land cruiser all the way....
" If u want to go to the outback buy a land rover but if u want to come back buy a Toyota!!😂"
Depreciation of the Landcruiser also will be steep . New cars are just to expensive.
While the Defenders are more likely to have longer term repair issues, they will also be more expensive to repair once the vehicle is out of warranty. I'd be a daily worry.
Toyota hood is made of paper? Very annoying while driving fast
The Land Cruiser won’t rust at all 🙄
I’m a cheap guy. In terms of longevity and down the road cost. Toyota all the way
2025 I Take a Land Rover Defender 110 V8.
Im buy landcruiser for my future grand son its legacy not warranty 😂
LC250❤
Squeaks and rattles? That LC will rattle like a baby’s toy with all that cheap plastic. I love Toyota but they should be ashamed at what they’re charging for some of the LC models based on the materials.
In Europe Toyota is the best for taxi😂 cheap and simple 😅
In England the auto journalists took the land cruiser VS defender. G - class and the grenadier but the land cruiser came on top beating up the other 3 the 3 costs a lot more than the land cruiser but the land cruiser is winners 🏆
Defender all the way..not sure about new Toyota engine reliability either.
The back end of the landcruiser doesn't look good
Let’s also remember that your/this LC in the video was delivered to you with several imperfections - trim pieces, etc. So I would not say that Hino plant is delivered a perfect vehicle to you. Most likely the first model year niggles will get ironed out, but I’m just thinking back to your video about this topic when you first received the car.
It's true that my Land Cruiser was not perfect, but mine was built in the first month of production so it's a very early version... also the dents in the roof turned out to be errors done by the port installers, who installed the First Edition roof rack. Otherwise the car has been nearly perfect.
Let’s be honest, there is almost zero engineering insight into your videos. Almost nothing quantitative, just a viewpoint. Absolutely no different to any other poor to avg reviewer car reviewer on YT. Savage Geese is still the daddy
They always copy British design 😂
Toyota got infiltrated with hidari wokey blokeys and messed up their core vision. I would still buy a Tundra, LC, 4Runner, GX, LX...... maybe in the next generation though. These new engines are disappointing. EPA, NHTB-NHTSA, DOT (will get deleted or consolidated thinly) CARB will be completely Removed. Toyota needs a rethink asap.