Seriously, especially coming from flo. So easy to change that to not be so blatant "Shocking results in Ramirez and Carr bout" Atleast adds a little subtlety.
Its more important to them to get views with titles that will gets clicks than to worry about giving spoilers. Most people already know the result and just want to see how it happened. I think the analytics will confirm this otherwise they wouldnt do it.
@@avidadolares yea most fans will, since things were posted on ig. Not like we didn’t know the result. Why else would it be a hot search. But still reminds me of old flow times. When wrestling news wasn’t communicated as fast as it is now.
I believe that this is a huge example of the new rules this year. In any other year the take down is 2 score is tied at 3-3 and goes to overtime. If wrestlers want to win more matches need to be more aware of the rule change and how to score more in tough matches.
@avidadolares someone needs to learn out to count, and i cant be bias when i dont have any affiliation to ISU or when Im not even a fan of them. Genius. I love when people try to sound all smart on the internet and only end up exposing themselves and stupid
@@PJP-DJP More crying! Shocker there lol. Man up and stop being such a homer with your blaming refs for every loss you dont like. Take off the skirt, nancy.
for those who think it should have been two swipes… Imed Ar-Rashid Bey you can’t start counting back till the two reversal is given. You could say that “well they should have called the reversal earlier,” but at the same time, Ramirez has no reason to immediately turn off his back until the he hears the official call the reversal. So difficult to predict if he wouldn’t have done the same thing and flip off his back in time had the reversal been called sooner. Only thing that is clear is in no way was he exposed for a two count after the reversal had been called.
There does need to be a verbal call for awarding points, however, there is no rule that says you have to call a takedown or reversal to start counting near fall. Nearfall counting has to be verbal. Now, you could argue that there is reaction time, and not sure there is a certain amount of time for reaction time which leaves it a subjective call to the ref. All that being said, if you count how long he was on his back, it was definitely two seconds.
if the ref didn't give near fall because he was giving the reversal, then that's not a good answer, but I see this all the time when wrestlers should be scoring near fall but because the ref has to give takedown points they miss it. They should think about modifying this.
I know some coaches will argue that you can't swipe before giving takedown or reversal points, but I definitely think you can. In this case, Carr secures the reversal which is indicative of control throughout the whole process, if he didn't score a reversal then obviously there can't be near fall. But I think refs should consider counting near fall even before giving takedown, and coaches should allow this, to ensure near fall points are not missed. If there is no reversal or takedown then ref should say no near fall or no takedown/reversal.
The assumption of most comments made in favor of missed back points is that scoring is instantaneous, that ISU had an immediate reversal when he turned in. All Collegiate wrestling action involves reaction time by rule. Unless ISU came up behind CU, an argument could be made for an instantaneous reversal. Not the case. There was a turn in then a reaction by CU, then control, followed by awarding of points. Ref's call spot on. Reviewed by video to give benefit of the doubt. No debate here.
Ref Missed the two back points.....carr should have won 5-4 but it was still a good match......can't wrestle close matches like that....anything can happen like losing to the #7 guy
If the ref had a spine he would have called stalling red at the end. JR presented and didn't move for 20 seconds. I'm not a Carr fan, but I am a ref. Should have been settled in over time.
Go back watch NCAA finals vs O'Toole.. its like he took a dive, im so serious.. makes me really wonder. NCAA finals this year are going to be tough.. because it no longer favors the top wrestler or stall wrestlers. You got be able to get takedowns
Takedowns are three points now? And only 2 for reversal? Weird. Been out the game for awhile. I figured if a takedown is worth three, a reversal should also be worth three.
Absolutely not! That negates the reason for the 3 pt takedown...which you have to work a lot harder to get. Also, a reversal can only happen if they are taken down (disregarding when they start 2nd and 3rd periods).....which is why the takedown has to be more important than the reversal. Simple logic and common sense.
They pretty dam slow for you to be calling them fast. Nothin fast about stalling the match then failing to move your eyes fast enough to see... Come on.
Here's a result that shows how the 3 pt takedown is overvalued and does not achieve what was intended. If your goal is to increase activity on the feet, you shouldn't reward the lesser aggressor like this. That aside, I suggest doing two things to encourage neutral action without de-incentivizing mat wrestling: First wrestler with both feet out of the inner circle gives the opponent a point. In this match Carr would have had at least two such points. Add to that one of the good rules from freestyle, which is the push-out, but modify it so that the second push-out is two points. Anyway, if you like that 3pt takedown, how about making it exclusive to when it happens within the inner circle. All of these suggestions would negate the need for stalling penalties and make it so that good defenders without a lot of offense have to consider the risk involved in backing up all the time, or wrestling on the edge of the mat.
@@PJP-DJP So youre that guy that constantly blames the refs. Thats what homers do. Bet Carr didnt blame the ref. And Carrs corner didnt protest that much either
@@PJP-DJP You assume you are right and the refs are wrong. They reviewed it! I see you crying a lot about the same things and blaming refs is as rookie a move as you could make. If Carr was so much better he wouldnt have allowed it to be close or been in that position in the first place. Never leave matches or outcomes to the refs. You havent played sports competitively have you? Didnt think so. lol
Carr got robbed here, he didn't try anything at the end because he thought he got the swipes he should of gotten. Carr shouldn't lose his ranking and Ramirez shouldn't gain in the rankings.
The refs should use the stalling criteria. Carr multiple takedown attempts. Ramirez was being defensive in most of the 3rd period.
Fans will appreciate knowing the result, before watching.
Seriously, especially coming from flo. So easy to change that to not be so blatant
"Shocking results in Ramirez and Carr bout"
Atleast adds a little subtlety.
@@vegetaAcheetah flows back to their old ways
Even for us hardcores wrestling isn't that exciting to watch live, take the result anticipation out and it becomes even less so
Its more important to them to get views with titles that will gets clicks than to worry about giving spoilers. Most people already know the result and just want to see how it happened. I think the analytics will confirm this otherwise they wouldnt do it.
@@avidadolares yea most fans will, since things were posted on ig. Not like we didn’t know the result. Why else would it be a hot search. But still reminds me of old flow times. When wrestling news wasn’t communicated as fast as it is now.
I believe that this is a huge example of the new rules this year. In any other year the take down is 2 score is tied at 3-3 and goes to overtime. If wrestlers want to win more matches need to be more aware of the rule change and how to score more in tough matches.
Came to comment this exact same thing. Should a takedown be worth more than a reversal? I think the answer is yes.
Carr was clearly the better wrestler more active just better overall
not that match he wasn't
Should have been 2 swipes.
absolutely! terrible ref he got the reversal and had him on his back for atleast 2 swipes
Nah. Youre just bitter. It was the right call if your gonna be unbiased.
@avidadolares someone needs to learn out to count, and i cant be bias when i dont have any affiliation to ISU or when Im not even a fan of them. Genius. I love when people try to sound all smart on the internet and only end up exposing themselves and stupid
@@PJP-DJP More crying! Shocker there lol. Man up and stop being such a homer with your blaming refs for every loss you dont like. Take off the skirt, nancy.
wonder if control needing to be established on the reversal had something to do with it not being counted
for those who think it should have been two swipes…
Imed Ar-Rashid Bey you can’t start counting back till the two reversal is given. You could say that “well they should have called the reversal earlier,” but at the same time, Ramirez has no reason to immediately turn off his back until the he hears the official call the reversal. So difficult to predict if he wouldn’t have done the same thing and flip off his back in time had the reversal been called sooner. Only thing that is clear is in no way was he exposed for a two count after the reversal had been called.
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There does need to be a verbal call for awarding points, however, there is no rule that says you have to call a takedown or reversal to start counting near fall. Nearfall counting has to be verbal. Now, you could argue that there is reaction time, and not sure there is a certain amount of time for reaction time which leaves it a subjective call to the ref. All that being said, if you count how long he was on his back, it was definitely two seconds.
if the ref didn't give near fall because he was giving the reversal, then that's not a good answer, but I see this all the time when wrestlers should be scoring near fall but because the ref has to give takedown points they miss it. They should think about modifying this.
I know some coaches will argue that you can't swipe before giving takedown or reversal points, but I definitely think you can. In this case, Carr secures the reversal which is indicative of control throughout the whole process, if he didn't score a reversal then obviously there can't be near fall. But I think refs should consider counting near fall even before giving takedown, and coaches should allow this, to ensure near fall points are not missed. If there is no reversal or takedown then ref should say no near fall or no takedown/reversal.
Just a reminder how competitive collage wrestling on that level really is !
The assumption of most comments made in favor of missed back points is that scoring is instantaneous, that ISU had an immediate reversal when he turned in. All Collegiate wrestling action involves reaction time by rule. Unless ISU came up behind CU, an argument could be made for an instantaneous reversal. Not the case. There was a turn in then a reaction by CU, then control, followed by awarding of points. Ref's call spot on. Reviewed by video to give benefit of the doubt.
No debate here.
Ref Missed the two back points.....carr should have won 5-4 but it was still a good match......can't wrestle close matches like that....anything can happen like losing to the #7 guy
Absolutely. I think he missed the near fall as well, but it was still a solid match.
Unless your there your there and can see the actual angle re back points then don't waste any ones time commenting-PERIOD!
In all these upsets, it’s a long ways until March.
3:35 “bagels on the scoreboard” what a nasty line by the commentator
Why? Bagels, meaning zeroes…
why did you remove the video then repost it,
Wanted a different 'title'
Great 👍🏼 match!
Everything is earned
Are these in season tournaments?
Yes
If the ref had a spine he would have called stalling red at the end. JR presented and didn't move for 20 seconds. I'm not a Carr fan, but I am a ref. Should have been settled in over time.
Go back watch NCAA finals vs O'Toole.. its like he took a dive, im so serious.. makes me really wonder. NCAA finals this year are going to be tough.. because it no longer favors the top wrestler or stall wrestlers. You got be able to get takedowns
Takedowns are three points now? And only 2 for reversal? Weird. Been out the game for awhile. I figured if a takedown is worth three, a reversal should also be worth three.
Please crop your videos tighter to the wrestling action.
i usually follow the wrestlers with my eyes
Don't go into media production 😂
This video is nice because you can see another upset in the background
I agree with other commenters that care should have got 2 near fall and won 5-4
He should’ve got two swipes for sure
Stalling to win. Tried and true. Hardly a shot the entire match.
All it took was just one takedown to beat David Carr are you kidding me
still undecided on 3 for a takedown.
Missed the 2 count, do your swipes then award reversal basic
Carr loves to headbutt. Dirty move didn’t work this time.
Probably best you stick to watching soccer if you consider that dirty.
reversal should also be 3 change my mind
If that were the case then they should just have left them both 2.
A reversal doesn’t deserve that many points. 2s the highest I’m going
Absolutely not! That negates the reason for the 3 pt takedown...which you have to work a lot harder to get. Also, a reversal can only happen if they are taken down (disregarding when they start 2nd and 3rd periods).....which is why the takedown has to be more important than the reversal. Simple logic and common sense.
They pretty dam slow for you to be calling them fast. Nothin fast about stalling the match then failing to move your eyes fast enough to see... Come on.
Wow.
Here's a result that shows how the 3 pt takedown is overvalued and does not achieve what was intended. If your goal is to increase activity on the feet, you shouldn't reward the lesser aggressor like this. That aside, I suggest doing two things to encourage neutral action without de-incentivizing mat wrestling: First wrestler with both feet out of the inner circle gives the opponent a point. In this match Carr would have had at least two such points. Add to that one of the good rules from freestyle, which is the push-out, but modify it so that the second push-out is two points. Anyway, if you like that 3pt takedown, how about making it exclusive to when it happens within the inner circle. All of these suggestions would negate the need for stalling penalties and make it so that good defenders without a lot of offense have to consider the risk involved in backing up all the time, or wrestling on the edge of the mat.
Mark Perry would of had the two back points (feat Hendricks)
Carr peaked middle of last year and I don’t think he’s going to get better unless he changes teams.
Cant do anything about a bad ref who doesn't call the 2 swipes. Can't do anything about the stupid 3 point takedown rule either.
@@PJP-DJP So youre that guy that constantly blames the refs. Thats what homers do. Bet Carr didnt blame the ref. And Carrs corner didnt protest that much either
@avidadolares no, it just call it out when a call is missed. You do know that refs can make bad calls right?. Genius
@@PJP-DJP You assume you are right and the refs are wrong. They reviewed it! I see you crying a lot about the same things and blaming refs is as rookie a move as you could make. If Carr was so much better he wouldnt have allowed it to be close or been in that position in the first place. Never leave matches or outcomes to the refs. You havent played sports competitively have you? Didnt think so. lol
For sure 2 swipes as soon as reversal happened.
Carr got robbed here, he didn't try anything at the end because he thought he got the swipes he should of gotten. Carr shouldn't lose his ranking and Ramirez shouldn't gain in the rankings.
Carr was not wrestling hard. Neither were really. Boring match. Carr was not aggressive.
Carr won