Excellent 👌👌 Thanks for the overview - Love seeing those general overview videos. Funny how similar the V13 is to the Super11, including the lubrication concept.
Hey Alex, thank you for taking the time to show us your lathe in detail. Since some of your modifications were rather apparent (e.g. the change gear door) I had always hoped that such a video might "happen" one day. The lubrication system seems to be very well thought out and I also like your classy drawer inlays.👍
Happy New Year Alex. It's really good to see you back. I'm going to enjoy this. That price you quoted, seems fairly reasonable. I looked at a Taiwanese copy of a Colchester Triumph 2,000 lathe, a design from the late 60's and very popular here in the UK. That would have cost me £25,000 for a 410 x 1000 machine. I ended up with a 12 year old chinese copy for 1/3rd of that.
"Optional hardened bed ways" is a wild statement in itself, you would think something as crucial as the durability of the ways has to be on the top 3 of requirements, when it comes to getting a lathe.
Very much enjoyed the modification overview and end user review to slight and large improvement. I mention this as I work to improve best tolerance in my workflow. Your capture of tool and storage reminds me to attend that vital shop arrangement. Thank you for the interesting post. M.
Very interesting insights! Despite some of its flaws, the V13 still looks like a fantastic machine. Your lubrication set up looks really impressive, I too would like to hear more about it. Thanks for sharing and take care!
Thanks, loved the walkthrough on the modifications. Especially the change gear door and lubrication fittings. You wish you had a Weiler while I wish I had an Emco 😂
Great to see you back Alex. I love these tool overview videos, they are so informative. Ordering a pair of Knipex, great suggestion. I’m in the middle of replacing my Boxford lathe with a Harrison M250. Looking forward to better rigidity.
The best modifications I did to my lathe were the solid toolpost, and telescoping lead screw covers. I see you take good care of your machines, they will still be in good condition for your grandchildren.
Very Nice To See A New Video From You Chap ... Nice One ... "20 microns Out" .. Less Than Half The Thickness Of A Human Hair ... Your Up There With Dan Gelbart On Your Accuracy And Tolerances... peace
Beautiful machine! That bed design looks like a smaller version of my Okuma LS, and I can attest to the bed wear and problems holding tight diameter tolerances.
The tilted angle on the carriage slideway is not an uncommon feature on lathes from the 50’s through to 70’s. The idea is to better resist cutting forces, the downside is that you end up with less area. Australian made lathes Nutall and Macson both used this design.
Wow that is beautiful and so well looked after. I have a V10p and I love it but the Super 11 or V13 is a dream of mine. I didn't realise the V13 used different collets but I assume they are a rare and hen teeth just like the L20 series for my V10
3:48 That Bed geometry is very similar to the WMW DLZ Lathes from East Germany. Except that they use a second 45 Degree Prism on the other side where the Emco is flat.
Limiting Carbide insert types and sizes is a wise decisions. I have done the same thing to the extent I can. Very nice selection of tooling for the lathe. I use annular cutters extensively in the lathe and mill as well, it indeed a quick way to remove material.. I will have to look around for those core drills. in the larger sizes. They must be available here in the US in one form or another, I have never thought of using them for metal. They are certainly available for concrete drilling. Cheers
@alex what brand/model is your blue toolbox/cabinet? Didnt see a lista logo on it, so hoping you found some nice alternative that doesnt break the bank as much 😅
very nice again, would love to see more detailed information about the lubrication system how you build it, parts used, ..., i would love to build it on my taiwanese lathe and Tos FN20 mill
Hello from France…I have the same , 1000mm and open bed , Ø450 I think ….full mods dro, vfd, foot brake with disc bike , coolant….. very good quality…. I have olso a super11 and a FB2 mill from Emco 👍
Most of the italian lathes have the ways with the same shape of the emco’s. MY theory for that shape is because the carriage tends to spin clockwise (top view) during the turning operation: pivot point is the tip of the tool and the force is given by the pinion.
Hi Alex, with all your attention to detail I wonder why you did not avoid the biggest death feature of a lathe: reaching across the chuck to touch the heidenhain or get pliers when standing in front of the carriage. With my right hand I can reach my DRO head and all the tool holders to the far right side of the tail stock and avoid getting across the chuck or rotating work. It may seem a minor point but you did spend alot of time making a nice machine better. Another handy tool is a left handed caliper where you can read the dial from the tailstock side non-inverted. When I lived near Belvedere castle I looked high and low and found very few machines or tools for sale. You got lucky finding a nice used machine.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. As load is applied from tool pressure from the spindle it is trying to rotate the saddle in opposite direction imparting the load on the large prism flat, not the small prism flat, good design. However when lightly loaded plus the mass of the saddle will increase the wear on the smaller way being smaller in area. I like the south bends and Hercus lathes with double prismatic ways.
Hab mir auch vor kurzem die Baugleiche Drehe gehohlt (Voest DA160) aber in deutlich abgenutzteren Zustand. Hab gerade die Antriebswelle neu gelagert, die Riemenscheibe leider auch total ausgeschlagen aber so hatte ich gleich das erste Drehobjekt. Zufällig schon mal wer die Hauptspindel(Kegelrollenlager) gewechselt wieviel h Arbeit ist das ca.?
Hi Felix, i have a question, i have bison 4 jaws chuck 250mm. I have EMCO maximat v13 like you. Do you think 250mm is too big for this machine? Thank for your videos, they are very inspiring. Good work!
Currency concessions are really difficult but 25k euros would seem cheap for a European made lathe in modern money. As for Emco's engineering, while working on my long gone V10, I had the distinct impression they had never seen a real machine tool up close. It was part way there but there were some rather odd choices. You should consider adding a Rocketronics ELS, they make cutting random thread pitches so much easier.
I also don’t get it, why the prismatic ways ar like that. I have a Romanian made lathe . SN400 , from the 70’ has the same ways . WEILER E series have the same ways. I have a E50 form 1997 , same ways . E30 from the same era has the same ways . My dro on my machine also start whit the general button, is the best practice , but , I have my dro on the carriage… for me is a must have , maybe because my machines are larger . Same issue with the screen on the heidenhein dro . I even replaced the screen whit a aftermarket one , Chinese one , same problem. When cold you need to wait
I don't think the way configuration is a branding thing because the Super 11 is not the same. Also S11 has relatively poor lubrication access. You’d think for the equivalent of €22k it would be better since the rest of the machine is very high quality.
Die schaut komplett unbenutzt aus , das is die letzte Drehbank die du je brauchen wirst.....wenn Du sie TROTZDEM loswerden willst meld dich, ich bin auch im großraum Wien angesiedelt
Excellent 👌👌 Thanks for the overview - Love seeing those general overview videos.
Funny how similar the V13 is to the Super11, including the lubrication concept.
Yeah, the lubrication concept of no concept at all, also known as "the operator will figure it out".🙃
Looking forward to the lubrication video. Those fine oil lines look great
Good to see you posting again Alex! And very nicely done, and practical upgrades to your V13. An excellent lathe.
Hey Alex, thank you for taking the time to show us your lathe in detail. Since some of your modifications were rather apparent (e.g. the change gear door) I had always hoped that such a video might "happen" one day. The lubrication system seems to be very well thought out and I also like your classy drawer inlays.👍
Exellent mods! Please consider more videos! Sharing your tips and tricks are invaluble for probably generations to come.
Happy New Year Alex. It's really good to see you back. I'm going to enjoy this.
That price you quoted, seems fairly reasonable. I looked at a Taiwanese copy of a Colchester Triumph 2,000 lathe, a design from the late 60's and very popular here in the UK. That would have cost me £25,000 for a 410 x 1000 machine. I ended up with a 12 year old chinese copy for 1/3rd of that.
"Optional hardened bed ways" is a wild statement in itself, you would think something as crucial as the durability of the ways has to be on the top 3 of requirements, when it comes to getting a lathe.
Very much enjoyed the modification overview and end user review to slight and large improvement. I mention this as I work to improve best tolerance in my workflow.
Your capture of tool and storage reminds me to attend that vital shop arrangement. Thank you for the interesting post. M.
i am very impressed by how tidy all you tools are in your cabinet. I will try to do the same for my Colchester . Thanks a lot for the share
Great video! Very informative and educational. Thank you.
Very nice machine and interesting mods! Thanks for taking the time to post this.
Very interesting insights! Despite some of its flaws, the V13 still looks like a fantastic machine. Your lubrication set up looks really impressive, I too would like to hear more about it. Thanks for sharing and take care!
Thanks for posting up another video. I very much look forward to content from you.
Welcome back! I’ve been looking forward to more videos from you 😁
Thanks, loved the walkthrough on the modifications. Especially the change gear door and lubrication fittings. You wish you had a Weiler while I wish I had an Emco 😂
Finally!! Been waiting for this episode for very long. Thank you and happy New Year.
Thank you for sharing your experience, Alex.
Very curious about your movie about the lubrication, looks very professional !
Great to see you back Alex. I love these tool overview videos, they are so informative. Ordering a pair of Knipex, great suggestion. I’m in the middle of replacing my Boxford lathe with a Harrison M250. Looking forward to better rigidity.
That live centre - I want one, best I've seen! Cheers
Thank you very much for this Alex. Many fascinating details revealed!
Absolutely gorgeous Lathe!!! Thanks for sharing!!
The best modifications I did to my lathe were the solid toolpost, and telescoping lead screw covers. I see you take good care of your machines, they will still be in good condition for your grandchildren.
thankss for your video alex and happy new year.
cheers
ben
Alex, you and Stefan should do videos of each other's shop tours - the conversations would be quite interesting.
Very Nice To See A New Video From You Chap ... Nice One ... "20 microns Out" .. Less Than Half The Thickness Of A Human Hair ... Your Up There With Dan Gelbart On Your Accuracy And Tolerances...
peace
Beautiful machine! That bed design looks like a smaller version of my Okuma LS, and I can attest to the bed wear and problems holding tight diameter tolerances.
The tilted angle on the carriage slideway is not an uncommon feature on lathes from the 50’s through to 70’s. The idea is to better resist cutting forces, the downside is that you end up with less area. Australian made lathes Nutall and Macson both used this design.
Wow that is beautiful and so well looked after. I have a V10p and I love it but the Super 11 or V13 is a dream of mine. I didn't realise the V13 used different collets but I assume they are a rare and hen teeth just like the L20 series for my V10
3:48 That Bed geometry is very similar to the WMW DLZ Lathes from East Germany. Except that they use a second 45 Degree Prism on the other side where the Emco is flat.
Limiting Carbide insert types and sizes is a wise decisions. I have done the same thing to the extent I can. Very nice selection of tooling for the lathe. I use annular cutters extensively in the lathe and mill as well, it indeed a quick way to remove material.. I will have to look around for those core drills. in the larger sizes. They must be available here in the US in one form or another, I have never thought of using them for metal. They are certainly available for concrete drilling. Cheers
@alex what brand/model is your blue toolbox/cabinet? Didnt see a lista logo on it, so hoping you found some nice alternative that doesnt break the bank as much 😅
Great looking lathe. I'm not sure how the advertisement works on TH-cam but there was about 20 ads on this vid
very nice again, would love to see more detailed information about the lubrication system how you build it, parts used, ..., i would love to build it on my taiwanese lathe and Tos FN20 mill
Omg! Alex is back!
Hello from France…I have the same , 1000mm and open bed , Ø450 I think ….full mods dro, vfd, foot brake with disc bike , coolant….. very good quality…. I have olso a super11 and a FB2 mill from Emco 👍
Most of the italian lathes have the ways with the same shape of the emco’s.
MY theory for that shape is because the carriage tends to spin clockwise (top view) during the turning operation: pivot point is the tip of the tool and the force is given by the pinion.
Klasse, das ist echt ne tolle Maschine. Ich glaube nicht, dass du heute etwas Vergleichbares für einen deutlich niedrigeren Preis bekommen könntest.
I suspect the motivation for the odd angles on the ways was to make that inner bearing surface perpendicular to the line of cutting force
Hello Alex, could you make a video that explain Monocoque chassis design and build like for your Ford 68 car ? Thank you
Hi Alex, with all your attention to detail I wonder why you did not avoid the biggest death feature of a lathe: reaching across the chuck to touch the heidenhain or get pliers when standing in front of the carriage. With my right hand I can reach my DRO head and all the tool holders to the far right side of the tail stock and avoid getting across the chuck or rotating work. It may seem a minor point but you did spend alot of time making a nice machine better. Another handy tool is a left handed caliper where you can read the dial from the tailstock side non-inverted. When I lived near Belvedere castle I looked high and low and found very few machines or tools for sale. You got lucky finding a nice used machine.
You still al-I mean happy new year!
I miss the metal intro music. Could you tell me what it was?
I've only see the Emco toolholder once before, such a simple and effective design. Shame, it didn't catch on like Aloris.
mig pliers work good too for grabbing chips
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
As load is applied from tool pressure from the spindle it is trying to rotate the saddle in opposite direction imparting the load on the large prism flat, not the small prism flat, good design.
However when lightly loaded plus the mass of the saddle will increase the wear on the smaller way being smaller in area. I like the south bends and Hercus lathes with double prismatic ways.
Exceptional video thank you very much. I’m very interested in a detailed video of your modified oiling system.👍🏻
Also, why no type of way cover?
Hab mir auch vor kurzem die Baugleiche Drehe gehohlt (Voest DA160) aber in deutlich abgenutzteren Zustand. Hab gerade die Antriebswelle neu gelagert, die Riemenscheibe leider auch total ausgeschlagen aber so hatte ich gleich das erste Drehobjekt.
Zufällig schon mal wer die Hauptspindel(Kegelrollenlager) gewechselt wieviel h Arbeit ist das ca.?
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Cherry Max fasteners though? Huh. I didn't know you had an aero background.
Hi Felix, i have a question, i have bison 4 jaws chuck 250mm. I have EMCO maximat v13 like you. Do you think 250mm is too big for this machine? Thank for your videos, they are very inspiring. Good work!
Currency concessions are really difficult but 25k euros would seem cheap for a European made lathe in modern money. As for Emco's engineering, while working on my long gone V10, I had the distinct impression they had never seen a real machine tool up close. It was part way there but there were some rather odd choices. You should consider adding a Rocketronics ELS, they make cutting random thread pitches so much easier.
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I also don’t get it, why the prismatic ways ar like that. I have a Romanian made lathe . SN400 , from the 70’ has the same ways . WEILER E series have the same ways. I have a E50 form 1997 , same ways . E30 from the same era has the same ways .
My dro on my machine also start whit the general button, is the best practice , but , I have my dro on the carriage… for me is a must have , maybe because my machines are larger .
Same issue with the screen on the heidenhein dro . I even replaced the screen whit a aftermarket one , Chinese one , same problem. When cold you need to wait
I don't think the way configuration is a branding thing because the Super 11 is not the same. Also S11 has relatively poor lubrication access. You’d think for the equivalent of €22k it would be better since the rest of the machine is very high quality.
Are there different versions? Iirc my Super11 had the same asymmetric profile.
Kriege ich das geschenkt 👉🏻👈🏻🥹
Die schaut komplett unbenutzt aus , das is die letzte Drehbank die du je brauchen wirst.....wenn Du sie TROTZDEM loswerden willst meld dich, ich bin auch im großraum Wien angesiedelt
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