@@and_the_first_last no dude It's an Austrian last name In the German language the "Ö" has its own pronunciation The only acceptable way to write this sound is "OE"
Levy: "I don't think this is the end of the story" Also Levy: titles the video "FINAL UPDATE" in all caps. This why he's my favourite online content milker
@@HJ-fh9mp he's still the owner of the channel, he doesn't technically need to obey the poll, lol. It was also meant more tongue-in-cheek rather than an actual criticism :)
@rese7977 Simply because Magnus refuses to play against him again. If he did cheat, Magnus was right but still destroyed his career. If he didn't, Magnus is a sore loser and co-eluded to stop him from competing again. Very touchy subject
@@nathanielmay5047 if I was magnus I want a rematch, but he’s the best so if he senses something’s off then it may be, a rematch I feel like hammers the nail in the coffin. Then again he could just not cheat in the rematch lol but Itd show he’s not capable of beating Magnus in that fashion.
@georgexander7170he admitted he cheated before, but do you really think that man beat arguably the best chess player of all time with the BLACK PIECES over the board in a classical game?
@@jazzblue1113 I do think he did, yes. I think he also showed that anti-cheating measures are inadequate to avoid this sort of drama, and probably can't be implemented in a way that's satisfactory. I also think that Hans brings drama to the tournament scene more than personality and quality of play, so if he finds success or doesn't I don't really care.
Just remember that the court dismissing Hans' lawsuit doesn't mean they think he cheated, just that even if he didn't everything that happened because of it isn't enough to warrant him any type of financial compensation.
This is wrong. They threw out the antitrust claims, not the defamation claims. Neimann may still be eligible for compensation from the defamation claims. But without the antitrust claims, they refused to hear the entire lawsuit in federal court, so they threw out the entire thing, and instead instructed Neimann to file his defamation lawsuit in state court.
yea thorjelly got it, the defamation part was "dismissed without prejudice" i.e. it was simply thrown down to state court if the appellate shall file the case. this was a 20-min video to tell us something that can be done in 30sec.
if you mean 9:17 he doesnt say that, he says " i dont know who would be his comparison in another sport" . I dont mean to be picky, its just that quotes with " are literal, if you dont remember it well dont quote it and just say it
You can tell that Levy's scared from his eyes, he's being held captive and his family is too. But, he's still here making videos for us. What a truly loyal man to his fans
Hey Levy, I just wanted to say that I appreciate you posting on and informing us about what's happening on this difficult and complicated subject, even after there's been lawsuits and a lawsuit against Hikaru for saying certain things about this. You're awesome dude.
I think the most adult take on this drama since it sprung. The chess community really appreciates how you handled this news throughout the timeline without bias Levy. Thank You.
The awkward situation for Niemann is that he has publicly admitted that he cheated in the past - that allows anyone to say (and defend successfully in court) "Niemann is a cheater", EVEN IF he has permanently and irrevocably stopped doing so. Carlsen chose his words carefully - he stated his *belief* that Niemann's cheating was worse than he has acknowledged. Whether such a suggestion or insinuation constitutes defamation is beyond my expertise, but I would be surprised if Carlsen's words did not stand up in court, because opinions are not facts and because Niemann's actions give rise to reasonable doubt.
Defamation/slander specifically means that you said something that you *knew to be untrue* with the intent of causing damage. It’s extremely hard to prove in court that you had knowledge contrary to what you stated publicly, which is why the cases are extremely rare. For example, a “provable/winnable” slander case would be if a journalist interviewed witnesses that said John Doe did not steal from them in any way, yet printed an article stating that John Doe was a thief with multiple victims on record (which is evidence of them having contrary knowledge) and it was also found out that the journalist was upset with John Doe because of a child custody battle etc. (which shows motive/intent to harm). I believe part of it is also that you spreading the rumor actually has the capacity to cause harm, like the person spreading it is a public celebrity with a broad reach, a journalist with a publication etc etc, not just your average person talking shit… otherwise teenage girls would be hitting each other with slander suits all day every day 😂 Hope that helps, I am not a lawyer, just a recreational student of bird law. 🪱 🎩 Esq.
the only reason the world enjoys this sport is a chance to get drunk and act like a bunch of patriotic zealots who enjoy fighting each other and trampling people to death while you watch aimlessly them play teams that arent even close to competitive so you can pretend your team is the best because it has more money. its more boring than baseball for gods sakees
I got back into chess, because I (an adult) kept losing to my cousin (5) even when I was trying as hard as I could. I can now beat my cousin thanks to you Gotham
The result of the lawsuit could hardly be different. But we need to know what FIDE is achieving in their investigation. There the credibility of chess is on the line.
@@Juan_Jose_Miraballes Maybe not in this specific case, but credibility is a big deal that FIDE should try to maintain. At the very least, they should be transparent about what they are doing to catch cheating and any improvements they are taking. For example, why would organizations donate to chess tournaments if they are worried their money is going to cheaters?
Jokes aside with the beads, I personally think what Magnus did wasn't very fair since he didn't know for sure Hans cheated, he made him a laughing stock and ruined his career. It absolutely is defamation, since Hans was NOT cheating, because he is innocent until proven otherwise. Judging people based on their past is not cool and sets a bad precedent. Least what Magnus could do is offer his hand back to Niemann so they can settle it out.
14:15 That is actually, believe or not, going to be the biggest problem for *Hans.* As you said here, defamation is defined as making a negative representation about someone that you knew to be untrue. The other side of that means that in order to prove defamation, Hans has to be able to prove he *didn't* cheat. And remember, this is not a criminal case, it's a civil suit, so the burden of proof is on Hans. Hans has to prove that what he's suing for is true, Magnus has no burden to prove that it isn't.
@@quibble9003 there is no presumption of innocence in civil case. if you are interesting in detail explanation from perspective of law, then look up - legaleagle : Hans Niemann's $100 Million* Suit Against Magnus Carlsen. It is very good video from somebody who is professional lawyer.
@@gideon5942 When Hans refused to look move variations after his game "We dont need to look for variations" Hikaru reflected that statement in in of it self is sus af. Also he made a whole video about Hans is sus. To be honest Hans was sus af. 😄 So just because Hikaru had an opinion that Hans might cheated because he is doing strange stuff he got himself into that shitstorm.
If you cheat at 12 and 16 you are a cheater... Stop opening up all these door to escape facts.. we all know many people that we know that we know would never sacrifice thier identity for some momentary hollow aduladion.
@@XCC23At the very least, they could bring Magnus in for questioning over why he made the claim. I doubt the actual point of the lawsuit is to win the money.
@HunterTraxYourAss literally no, lmao. Requires more than the dogshit Hans filed with the courts. Also if you ask for millions of dollars for your hurt rep, that is in fact the purpose.
During the scandal you popped up on my feed with a video on it. Then more of your videos. And now I'm into chess and clearly your content. Thanks for the fun hobby!
Sounds like a bunch of royal BS to me! If Niemann is indeed playing at a Carlson-beating level, let him win his million$$$ the old-fashioned way, and quit filing dopey lawsuits. If N is actually cheating, then take it from there...
If one publicly states their defense as, "I only stole twice in the past.", they can no longer cry "defamation" when they are subsequently called a "thief". He is a cheater by his own testimony. Furthermore, in that testominony he did not own his guilt - he instead minimized and circumstancialized justification for his guilty actions. In short, he showed no remorse, responsibility, or self-examination of the lack of principles that allowed him to cheat. In fact, his statements and actions belie that he still operates on the same selfish values that enabled him to cheat in the first place. I tell me children, the very first time that you lie, you become forever after a liar. The very first time that you steal, you become a thief. No one else may ever know, but you will.
If someone refuses to play against his opponent in a tournament, then he should just lose. That should not affect the choice of the inviting them both to a tournament.
That's true. But not how they are looking at it. Magnus is a good draw... popular with the crowd and good financial return. If he won't play IN a tournament with Hans, then the Organizers has a choice. Be neutral and fair, or make money.
18:28 - So, there are basically three options here (and Hans can use any or all of them in any combination he likes): * "Tag" jurisdiction (as in "tag, you're it") - you can sue a person anywhere you can physically find and serve them, regardless of whether that place has anything to do with anything. In practice, state (or country) of the defendant's residence is probably the *easiest* option, but (for example) if Magnus visits St. Louis for a future tournament, then he could be sued in Missouri (but only if he's served while he's still there). * "Significant contact" jurisdiction - you can sue a person or corporation in any (US) state where they've had "minimum contact" with the state in question and where it would "not offend traditional notions of fair play and substantial justice." I'm sure the actual lawyers can talk your ear off about what that means, but in this case, it probably means that (e.g.) Hikaru cannot flee to another state to avoid service of process in Florida, if Hans wants to sue him in Florida. * "Diversity" jurisdiction - This is the more complicated and messy route. If Hans alleges more than $75,000 in damages, and none of the defendants are from the same state as him (or they are not from the US at all, as with Magnus), then he can bring the whole thing back to federal court (despite it previously being dismissed from federal court). Since his lawyers mention filing in state court, they probably don't intend to do this, but it is an option in theory. The tricky part is that, if those requirements are met but Hans files in state court anyway, then the defendants can remove the case from state to federal court, which may be advantageous in some circumstances.
LOL yeah being called a cheater, when you've cheated, admitted cheating, been caught cheating, being called a cheater when your a cheater is damaging to your reputation. LOL
This is where I think UK defamation laws are much better than US laws. In the UK you could not accuse a person of cheating without being able to prove it. If you make a damaging accusation without proof then that is defamation. That makes everyone a lot more careful about making career damaging allegations.
How it could not be defamation?!! So Magnus Carlsen everytime he will loose, he will be allowed to say that the other is a cheater or make indirect suppositions or directly say that he has something in his butt? And that is normal for you? Wtf...
Lawyer here! A "windfall" basically just means getting money you don't deserve (I always imagine it as the wind just suddenly blowing a stack of twenty-dollar bills in through the window). As for the dismissal, here is a clumsy chess analogy: Hans is white, the federal court is black. Hans is pinning black's bishop (jurisdiction to hear the case) with his queen (the two federal-law counts in his complaint). Black takes the queen (dismisses those two counts), and is now free to move the bishop (decline to hear the remaining counts).
The scandal and GothamChess’s awesome coverage of it, definitely got me back into Chess, after being away from the game for years. I love how exciting you make the game feel, and I’d probably listen to you talk about anything 😅
Having recently had a colonoscopy, this is the 3rd video in a row where Levy has mentioned it being unpleasant. I’m convinced he’s listening. Anyways, the procedure is easy and painless. Get checked as colon cancer is preventable with early detection!!
I was only 2090 fide when the Niemann Scandal happened and it really gave me the kick I needed to get into chess more seriously : I hope to climb back to 2100 or 2105 by next year. Or the one after.
NOT A LAWYER JUST WATCHES LAW YTBERS: Defamation actually has two standards: if you are your average Joe, or if you are a public figure. As Magnus, who is a public figure, a different standard applies, meaning that Magnus only needed to act *in reckless disregard* for whether Hans was cheating or not for the lowered defamation standard to apply.
that lawsuit was plain absurd, so this being dismissed is no surprise to me. i already said this, the demand was so absurd it sounded as if it was written by hans himself
Levy is a streamer, a TH-camr, a teacher, a professional chess player, a husband, a journalist who provides us with the hottest news, a comedian, a duck that quacks frequently, an advertiser of his chess courses, and an elo guesser, he needs those vacations. If I missed something, feel free to comment below.
How could he sue for defamation? To win a defamation case, you must prove that the person knowingly lied. If he believed his lie, it is not a lie and it is not slander.
No, this is incorrect. Defamation is a false statement that injures a third party. You are only required to prove that the statement is false, and that the statement has caused you harm. Knowingly lying is not a component of defamation. The truth defence to a defamation claim is that the statement you have made is substantially true. It has nothing to do with the defamer's subjective belief. Nor should it. One, because there should be a deterrent to making public accusations where you have no evidence to support you claim. And two, if that were a legitimate defence, no one could ever bring a defamation suit - the defendant could just claim they "thought it was true", and no one would be able to prove otherwise.
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Respect to the kidnapper for letting Levy stay in different rooms!
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Kidnappers aren't dumb. They know Rainbolt exists. They move Levy every day as they await their payment.
But they’re not feeding him, he probably eat his sleeves along with a boot for breakfast
@@davidjoseph7142 and his hairline
@@jennfierkrueger8302 damn
Props to levy for posting even when he is being held captive
Don't traslate😠
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@@𱁬this is cringe
absolutely magnificent comment.
@@𱁬translate*
bro thinks he commented on a gotham video💀
"He's either cheating or he's not cheating"
Ah yes, the quantum superposition known as Schrodinger's Weasel
Dude either you write it as Schrödinger or as Schroedinger
Schrodinger is just wrong
@@leonardomeloni69 Schrodinger was right actually, that's why you can write it as Schrödinger and as Schroedinger at the same time
@@and_the_first_last no dude
It's an Austrian last name
In the German language the "Ö" has its own pronunciation
The only acceptable way to write this sound is "OE"
@@leonardomeloni69you do and don't get it
@@leonardomeloni69 No, it's Schroeoeoeoedinger. Get it richtig.
Levy: "I don't think this is the end of the story"
Also Levy: titles the video "FINAL UPDATE" in all caps.
This why he's my favourite online content milker
He did a poll, 70% chose this title
MILKER?!
@@HJ-fh9mp he's still the owner of the channel, he doesn't technically need to obey the poll, lol. It was also meant more tongue-in-cheek rather than an actual criticism :)
@@wombat6 well he is not obliged to obey , but all youtubers do use the one that the audience likes
I love how much he owns clickbait titles.
Hans: "Chess speaks for itself."
Magnus: "The resignation speaks for itself."
Hans: "The lawsuit speaks for itself."
The judge: “The dismiss speaks for itself”
@Champtiago Judge- "Why does he buzz when he sits on a hard surface"
@@xaviermagnus8310 what?
@@fiusionmaster3241 Beads op.
@@Champtiagothe thing is, it is just being sent to state court, it isn’t saying he cheated
Really shows how loyal levy is to his viewers when he posts while being held at gun point
facts, thats why I love this guy
And yet he never flinched once
Actually this is my favourite gun. Levy was very scared.
They can't shoot him if he is shooting himself
Pffffffff
We appreciate you still giving us your stares even when you are being held captive, Levy.
Recycled!
Anyone good with morse code?
@@pieter490 I can guarantee you, noone in Levy's comment sections know Morse code.
@@aldocort3418 We can fix that
Shut up bot
I can’t lie Hikaru catching a stray getting involved in that lawsuit was hilarious lol
its because he's a massive man child with a fragile ego that can't keep his mouth shut... the fight in the garden with eric hansen was gold
Why
@@TiberiusELP Because he had nothing to do with anything lol
Bro was walking by and got snagged
@@TTVK1ngJulian no apparently it’s because popularized the anal beed.
Its a shame that Niemann worked his ass off for a dismissed lawsuit that speaks for itself
This is the most Hans Niemann comment ever!
Why not set up another game against magnus ?
@rese7977 Simply because Magnus refuses to play against him again. If he did cheat, Magnus was right but still destroyed his career. If he didn't, Magnus is a sore loser and co-eluded to stop him from competing again. Very touchy subject
@@nathanielmay5047 if I was magnus I want a rematch, but he’s the best so if he senses something’s off then it may be, a rematch I feel like hammers the nail in the coffin. Then again he could just not cheat in the rematch lol but Itd show he’s not capable of beating Magnus in that fashion.
Thanks for the brief...Now I don't need to watch the video 😂😂
Takes some true dedication to give us an update even while being held captive
He looks like he's inside a makeshift whackoff tent in his dorm style prison bunk
Takes No dedication to copy a joke
@@figgehn. thats the point
Levy blink once if you're okay and blink twice if you're being held hostage. Remember Levy, we are always here for you.
Yeah, we're just witnessing his slow and gradual demise😂
Sadly Levy never blinks
We need to send a rescue mission, he blinked twice at 18:45.
@@Umlee-Kerymansrivarrwael lol ur right
@@Umlee-Kerymansrivarrwael Lmao
The law suit speaks for itself
The evidence speaks for itself!
i liked when the judge said “i’ll be the judge of that” and spoke for all of the lawsuit.
it makes me feel like i’m judging all over the place by saying “i’ll be the judge of that”
I wanna know when is levi court date
haha
This man work ethics are insane. He is posting even while on vacation in France!
bro thinks he’s napoleon💀
En passantin’ the missus in the hotel
He's posting even while he's held hostage!!
@@joelmcc88 Bahahahhaah🤣, I wondered how he got to the mouth hole 🤔
Not only that, he kept true to his previous sponsor with Babbel where he said he was learning French. This was like a year ago
Guys I just wanna say I got 1000 elo today and I'm very happy🎉
Seems like a failed attempt at a money grab.
My favorite part was when Hans said "the lawsuit speaks for itself" and then spoke itself all over the court case
Truly one of the comments of all time
@georgexander7170he admitted he cheated before, but do you really think that man beat arguably the best chess player of all time with the BLACK PIECES over the board in a classical game?
@@jazzblue1113, he actually did it, so yes...
@@jazzblue1113 I do think he did, yes. I think he also showed that anti-cheating measures are inadequate to avoid this sort of drama, and probably can't be implemented in a way that's satisfactory. I also think that Hans brings drama to the tournament scene more than personality and quality of play, so if he finds success or doesn't I don't really care.
@@jazzblue1113 If he was Russian he’d never play again. The bias is outrageous.
It’s amazing that your captors still give you access to wifi Levy. Be sure to thank them for all of us viewers
I don't get it lol why is everyone saying he kidnapped?
@@mariomario820 I think he said it himself and is just on holiday 😆
@@fisty539 makes sence lol😭
Levy if you are being kept hostage,you can say it we will give you support
😂😂😂
will we though
sending online reinforcment
He should just blink three times😂
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Can we appreciate how much work Levy puts into being held hostage?
Don't forget the kidnappers! They helped...
@@hoi-polloi1863 Who do you think the kidnappers work for...?
Trying to learn more about what happened and every comment is something stupid like this. Can you people ever stop fishing for likes?
@@Logan_93 search elsewhere, jokes only here.
The only issue is that defamation cases, like libel and slander, are notoriously hard to prove
Just remember that the court dismissing Hans' lawsuit doesn't mean they think he cheated, just that even if he didn't everything that happened because of it isn't enough to warrant him any type of financial compensation.
This is wrong. They threw out the antitrust claims, not the defamation claims. Neimann may still be eligible for compensation from the defamation claims. But without the antitrust claims, they refused to hear the entire lawsuit in federal court, so they threw out the entire thing, and instead instructed Neimann to file his defamation lawsuit in state court.
@@thorjelly They also threw out the defamation claims. Simply because defamation cases belong in State Courts.
Indeed all bead user should not be categorized as cheater.
@@gladosadoree I'm not really sure you read what I said
yea thorjelly got it, the defamation part was "dismissed without prejudice" i.e. it was simply thrown down to state court if the appellate shall file the case. this was a 20-min video to tell us something that can be done in 30sec.
Much respect for you Levy. Thanks for working hard to keep the chess community engaged and informed without ever being biased or uninformed.
Why is this sarcastic ?
Levy: “I don’t know who would be his comparison in another sport”
Also levy: *proceeds to give comparison*
if you mean 9:17 he doesnt say that, he says " i dont know who would be his comparison in another sport" . I dont mean to be picky, its just that quotes with " are literal, if you dont remember it well dont quote it and just say it
@@youtubewontletme ok sorry
@@youtubewontletme done :)
TH-camwontletme: " I dont mean to be picky"
Also TH-camwontletme: proceeds to be picky@@youtubewontletme
im just kiddin btw
As the kidnapper i can confirm levy is not a lawyer
I’d like to believe that Hans exists in a quantum state of both cheating and not cheating,
Just for the sake of my own sanity
You can tell that Levy's scared from his eyes, he's being held captive and his family is too. But, he's still here making videos for us. What a truly loyal man to his fans
He's not. Where's your proof??
@@AsadAli-jc5tg We like to make fun of him as much as he likes to make fun of himself and his audience, chill bruh
@@ak_nora Still that comment sounds too serious.
@@AsadAli-jc5tgthis comment sounds serious?
Looks like someone a little slow on jokes
Can we just appreciate how this man is making content while being held hostage in a anonymous hotel room RESPECT LEVY
that's how you know he is dedicated
an*
@@Cwuka thnks teacher And please tell me my test results AND MY APOLOGIZES FOR THE MISTAKE
Hey Levy, I just wanted to say that I appreciate you posting on and informing us about what's happening on this difficult and complicated subject, even after there's been lawsuits and a lawsuit against Hikaru for saying certain things about this.
You're awesome dude.
I think the most adult take on this drama since it sprung. The chess community really appreciates how you handled this news throughout the timeline without bias Levy. Thank You.
The awkward situation for Niemann is that he has publicly admitted that he cheated in the past - that allows anyone to say (and defend successfully in court) "Niemann is a cheater", EVEN IF he has permanently and irrevocably stopped doing so.
Carlsen chose his words carefully - he stated his *belief* that Niemann's cheating was worse than he has acknowledged. Whether such a suggestion or insinuation constitutes defamation is beyond my expertise, but I would be surprised if Carlsen's words did not stand up in court, because opinions are not facts and because Niemann's actions give rise to reasonable doubt.
So magnus is a loser Faye-get. Got it
@@foookboiDatMan Better than winning by cheating through anal beads.
Defamation/slander specifically means that you said something that you *knew to be untrue* with the intent of causing damage. It’s extremely hard to prove in court that you had knowledge contrary to what you stated publicly, which is why the cases are extremely rare. For example, a “provable/winnable” slander case would be if a journalist interviewed witnesses that said John Doe did not steal from them in any way, yet printed an article stating that John Doe was a thief with multiple victims on record (which is evidence of them having contrary knowledge) and it was also found out that the journalist was upset with John Doe because of a child custody battle etc. (which shows motive/intent to harm). I believe part of it is also that you spreading the rumor actually has the capacity to cause harm, like the person spreading it is a public celebrity with a broad reach, a journalist with a publication etc etc, not just your average person talking shit… otherwise teenage girls would be hitting each other with slander suits all day every day 😂
Hope that helps, I am not a lawyer, just a recreational student of bird law.
🪱 🎩 Esq.
4:10 Big W for Levy for saying Football instead of Soccer !!!
its soccer. a shitty sport that has a bunch of guys running around kicking a ball and pretending to be hurt terribly anytime they are touched
the only reason the world enjoys this sport is a chance to get drunk and act like a bunch of patriotic zealots who enjoy fighting each other and trampling people to death while you watch aimlessly them play teams that arent even close to competitive so you can pretend your team is the best because it has more money. its more boring than baseball for gods sakees
@@toyfischerdid you know the color of school buses in the USA is officially called National School Bus Glossy Yellow
I got back into chess, because I (an adult) kept losing to my cousin (5) even when I was trying as hard as I could. I can now beat my cousin thanks to you Gotham
The result of the lawsuit could hardly be different. But we need to know what FIDE is achieving in their investigation. There the credibility of chess is on the line.
Is there something to achieve? You can't prove a man is cheating if you don't catch him doing it.
@@Juan_Jose_Miraballes Maybe not in this specific case, but credibility is a big deal that FIDE should try to maintain. At the very least, they should be transparent about what they are doing to catch cheating and any improvements they are taking.
For example, why would organizations donate to chess tournaments if they are worried their money is going to cheaters?
Jokes aside with the beads, I personally think what Magnus did wasn't very fair since he didn't know for sure Hans cheated, he made him a laughing stock and ruined his career. It absolutely is defamation, since Hans was NOT cheating, because he is innocent until proven otherwise.
Judging people based on their past is not cool and sets a bad precedent. Least what Magnus could do is offer his hand back to Niemann so they can settle it out.
That random Redditor is definitely a lawyer.
Levvy, we will find you and we will save you. We know that you need help. I promise that everything is going to be alright.
this is a joke right
@@jessegreenlief6345 This is not a joke. He is in danger
_(yes, it's a joke that started from the other video he made💀)_
@@ThatHandsomeGuy647😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shoutout to Levy for still recording youtube videos for us viewers while being held hostage! ❤
Recycled!
@@aldocort3418 you would hate anarchychess
bruh -_-
@@b4ll00n2Holy hell
@@lem504actual zombies
That was such an awesome, soul touching stare. Perfect length aswell. 10/10
Even if he’s right, 100million is too much, i mean you’re asking like you divorced a billionaire
Hans is fighting an uphill battle as defamation must be proven and is incredibly hard to prove
Has it been half a year already? Holy crap, that time flew by.
Levy is always consistent even on vacation 💪
💯
*even when held hostage
@@eggdog3361cringe
@@areedkhalid6549 NO, IT'S NOT. You simply don't understand the joke
@@eggdog3361 ong
At this rate, there is literally going to be more final updates to this Gotham series than there are final seasons to Attack on Titan XD
Once a cheater always a cheater.
glad to see the person holding you hostage give you free time to upload videos
14:15
That is actually, believe or not, going to be the biggest problem for *Hans.* As you said here, defamation is defined as making a negative representation about someone that you knew to be untrue.
The other side of that means that in order to prove defamation, Hans has to be able to prove he *didn't* cheat.
And remember, this is not a criminal case, it's a civil suit, so the burden of proof is on Hans. Hans has to prove that what he's suing for is true, Magnus has no burden to prove that it isn't.
I'm sure that's the standard, but that would be the general issue.
The burden of proof in this country USA-is *ALWAYS* on the guy claiming libel/defamation -civil and otherwise.
isnt the status of whether or not he cheated a criminal law matter? why isnt there a presumption of innocence there?
@@quibble9003 there is no presumption of innocence in civil case. if you are interesting in detail explanation from perspective of law, then look up - legaleagle : Hans Niemann's $100 Million* Suit Against Magnus Carlsen. It is very good video from somebody who is professional lawyer.
@@quibble9003 it's not a crime to cheat, it's just against the rules.
Now that Levy is held captive, the "get outta here" acquired another meaning
Leave it to Levy to hype up a case dismissal. No point in watching after the first minute.
Cant get sued for legit thinking someone is cheating. Quit trying to sue
I just find it crazy that Hikaru got dragged into all of this
im new to chess in general
wtf did hikaru even do? how did he get caught in this?
@@gideon5942 When Hans refused to look move variations after his game "We dont need to look for variations" Hikaru reflected that statement in in of it self is sus af. Also he made a whole video about Hans is sus. To be honest Hans was sus af. 😄 So just because Hikaru had an opinion that Hans might cheated because he is doing strange stuff he got himself into that shitstorm.
@@Redstone656the case against Hikaru was never going to succeed...pretty sure Hans just wanted to harass Hikaru by including him...
If you cheat at 12 and 16 you are a cheater... Stop opening up all these door to escape facts.. we all know many people that we know that we know would never sacrifice thier identity for some momentary hollow aduladion.
I like that he says he’s not going to BS us and updated us when applicable, and then name the video final update. You got me, Levy
The device was not in Uranus, it was on the Earth!
there is no proof of him cheating, that's it. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
Damn, even when kidnapped, Levy’s stare never fails
Google en passant
@@pieter490Why?
Hans can still take Magnus to State Court. Dismissal is not a vindication of Magnus, but a testament to his lawyers’ ineptitude
I mean, the lawsuit is bad, it's not going to survive anywhere. The bar for defamation is pretty high.
He will definitely win some money if he didnt cheat of course
@@XCC23At the very least, they could bring Magnus in for questioning over why he made the claim. I doubt the actual point of the lawsuit is to win the money.
he's dismissed in federal court with prejudice for lack of jurisdiction
he will be dismissed in state court with anti-slapp statute
@HunterTraxYourAss literally no, lmao. Requires more than the dogshit Hans filed with the courts. Also if you ask for millions of dollars for your hurt rep, that is in fact the purpose.
Can we appreciate the vacation he puts inside us
the vacations are absorbing and consuming the juices inside
Don't traslate😠
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@@𱁬 also, i didnt translate it. google did
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@@𱁬I love the Thai script, it's so beautiful
Blink twice if your in danger
During the scandal you popped up on my feed with a video on it. Then more of your videos. And now I'm into chess and clearly your content. Thanks for the fun hobby!
Shout-out to Gotham for being a reasonable, level-headed amplifier for the sensible views in the community 🙏
Love you Gotham, I appreciate your unbiased coverage on these big topics. You are easy to listen to and understand, and I appreciate you.
Sounds like a bunch of royal BS to me! If Niemann is indeed playing at a Carlson-beating level, let him win his million$$$ the old-fashioned way, and quit filing dopey lawsuits. If N is actually cheating, then take it from there...
If one publicly states their defense as, "I only stole twice in the past.", they can no longer cry "defamation" when they are subsequently called a "thief".
He is a cheater by his own testimony. Furthermore, in that testominony he did not own his guilt - he instead minimized and circumstancialized justification for his guilty actions. In short, he showed no remorse, responsibility, or self-examination of the lack of principles that allowed him to cheat. In fact, his statements and actions belie that he still operates on the same selfish values that enabled him to cheat in the first place.
I tell me children, the very first time that you lie, you become forever after a liar. The very first time that you steal, you become a thief. No one else may ever know, but you will.
The dismissal speaks for itself
Was not expecting this but really glad we got an update
How can you cheat with a device in Uranus? That's about 1 and a half billion miles away!
A device in a very deep dark tunnel 😳
Schrödinger’s beads. He is both cheating and not cheating at the same time
If someone refuses to play against his opponent in a tournament, then he should just lose. That should not affect the choice of the inviting them both to a tournament.
That's true. But not how they are looking at it. Magnus is a good draw... popular with the crowd and good financial return. If he won't play IN a tournament with Hans, then the Organizers has a choice. Be neutral and fair, or make money.
18:28 - So, there are basically three options here (and Hans can use any or all of them in any combination he likes):
* "Tag" jurisdiction (as in "tag, you're it") - you can sue a person anywhere you can physically find and serve them, regardless of whether that place has anything to do with anything. In practice, state (or country) of the defendant's residence is probably the *easiest* option, but (for example) if Magnus visits St. Louis for a future tournament, then he could be sued in Missouri (but only if he's served while he's still there).
* "Significant contact" jurisdiction - you can sue a person or corporation in any (US) state where they've had "minimum contact" with the state in question and where it would "not offend traditional notions of fair play and substantial justice." I'm sure the actual lawyers can talk your ear off about what that means, but in this case, it probably means that (e.g.) Hikaru cannot flee to another state to avoid service of process in Florida, if Hans wants to sue him in Florida.
* "Diversity" jurisdiction - This is the more complicated and messy route. If Hans alleges more than $75,000 in damages, and none of the defendants are from the same state as him (or they are not from the US at all, as with Magnus), then he can bring the whole thing back to federal court (despite it previously being dismissed from federal court). Since his lawyers mention filing in state court, they probably don't intend to do this, but it is an option in theory. The tricky part is that, if those requirements are met but Hans files in state court anyway, then the defendants can remove the case from state to federal court, which may be advantageous in some circumstances.
LOL yeah being called a cheater, when you've cheated, admitted cheating, been caught cheating, being called a cheater when your a cheater is damaging to your reputation. LOL
I love how Levy's still giving us gold-tier chess content even while being held captive.
How can someone trust in someone who is officially got caught as a cheater? Should be banned for life after that.
He was 12 and 16 for the two times.
@@OtherDAS yep that's even worse he did it at least twice. 16 is not even young.
@@balazsio Not that young, but not an adult. It was also online, and this was face to face.
Did the kidnapper at least give you a chess board?
This is where I think UK defamation laws are much better than US laws. In the UK you could not accuse a person of cheating without being able to prove it. If you make a damaging accusation without proof then that is defamation. That makes everyone a lot more careful about making career damaging allegations.
Agree, innocent until proven otherwise.
Levy never disappoints us with the content
7:00 in and so far I've learned... nothing... except that the lawsuit was dropped. Way to drag things out to an absurd extreme
How it could not be defamation?!! So Magnus Carlsen everytime he will loose, he will be allowed to say that the other is a cheater or make indirect suppositions or directly say that he has something in his butt? And that is normal for you? Wtf...
After April first, I trust nothing he says.
Thank you levy for doing all that you do and even uploading while on vacation
Wholesome!
being held hostage*
you mean after being kidnapped?
dude makes $1mil+ per month off youtube ofc he is going to upload, it will pay for the vacation for him and his entire family.
Wdym 1M$?? Who said so?
Lawyer here! A "windfall" basically just means getting money you don't deserve (I always imagine it as the wind just suddenly blowing a stack of twenty-dollar bills in through the window). As for the dismissal, here is a clumsy chess analogy: Hans is white, the federal court is black. Hans is pinning black's bishop (jurisdiction to hear the case) with his queen (the two federal-law counts in his complaint). Black takes the queen (dismisses those two counts), and is now free to move the bishop (decline to hear the remaining counts).
👌😃 Thanks for educating us
Making an analogy trying to simplify the explanation but actually achieving the opposite result = a true lawyer
White lost the queen because they weren't using Stockfish this time
The scandal and GothamChess’s awesome coverage of it, definitely got me back into Chess, after being away from the game for years. I love how exciting you make the game feel, and I’d probably listen to you talk about anything 😅
Blink twice if you are being held hostage
I like how Levy is a member of Anarchychess but not Chessbeginners
Blink once if you're okay and more than once if you're being held captive. Don't forget levy, we are always here for you.
Having recently had a colonoscopy, this is the 3rd video in a row where Levy has mentioned it being unpleasant. I’m convinced he’s listening.
Anyways, the procedure is easy and painless. Get checked as colon cancer is preventable with early detection!!
It’s nice that you can be able to say these things without being sued
Levy looks like he's about to do a TH-cam apology
me: alt tabs cus im bored
gotham: are you still here? good your attention span is longer then 12 minutes
I also believe that the unusual behavior in critical and game changing positions was very suspicious that could’ve been led to cheating.
Levy... blink twice if you're okay. Sacrifice the rook if you're in distress.
All I can say is I think the chess has spoken for itself
Dismissal means the judge wouldn't even study the case. It's an absolute loss
I was only 2090 fide when the Niemann Scandal happened and it really gave me the kick I needed to get into chess more seriously : I hope to climb back to 2100 or 2105 by next year. Or the one after.
You've handled this situation really well, in my opinion. Keep up the good work.
NOT A LAWYER JUST WATCHES LAW YTBERS: Defamation actually has two standards: if you are your average Joe, or if you are a public figure. As Magnus, who is a public figure, a different standard applies, meaning that Magnus only needed to act *in reckless disregard* for whether Hans was cheating or not for the lowered defamation standard to apply.
You cheat once, you’re out forever. As simple as that
that lawsuit was plain absurd, so this being dismissed is no surprise to me.
i already said this, the demand was so absurd it sounded as if it was written by hans himself
Congratulations on your PBS Newshour interview! Well done!
If he's already been caught MULTIPLE times his character is already in question, so someone doing just that is hardly grounds for compensation.
Levy is a streamer, a TH-camr, a teacher, a professional chess player, a husband, a journalist who provides us with the hottest news, a comedian, a duck that quacks frequently, an advertiser of his chess courses, and an elo guesser, he needs those vacations. If I missed something, feel free to comment below.
the owner of the one and only catch phrase: THE ROOOOOOKKK!!!!
How could he sue for defamation? To win a defamation case, you must prove that the person knowingly lied. If he believed his lie, it is not a lie and it is not slander.
No, this is incorrect. Defamation is a false statement that injures a third party. You are only required to prove that the statement is false, and that the statement has caused you harm. Knowingly lying is not a component of defamation. The truth defence to a defamation claim is that the statement you have made is substantially true. It has nothing to do with the defamer's subjective belief. Nor should it. One, because there should be a deterrent to making public accusations where you have no evidence to support you claim. And two, if that were a legitimate defence, no one could ever bring a defamation suit - the defendant could just claim they "thought it was true", and no one would be able to prove otherwise.
Also, slander and defamation are not equivalent terms.