Drinker's Chasers - Henry Cavill Out As Superman: Where Next For DC?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ก.ย. 2024
- The recent news that Henry Cavill has been axed as Superman by James Gunn didn't exactly fill anyone with joy. Join us as we discuss what went wrong, and what this means for the future of DC on film?
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Cavill's exit was absolutely necessary for the future of the DCU.
He needed to go so Jennifer Lawrence could play Superman; the character based on her life story.
Well, it would be exciting to see Jennifer Lawrence playing a female Superman, because no one's done that before.
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😂😂😂 this comment is EPIC!
If it wasn't for Jennifer Lawrence, Christopher Reeve would never had been cast as Superman!
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Cavill strikes me as someone who researches his characters and the lore they're in to a far more thorough degree than the producers.
He's gushed about 40K. The man evidently loves his Adeptus Custodes.
He IS a custodian
They don't deserve him.
Not realy, he's just not a normie. He read the commics books as a kid, he played the Witcher games and read Sapkowskis books way before he was cast as those characters. He didn't NEED to do the research. He's not like the rest of the cast of whicher who barely even knew that its an established IP by books and games.
He doesn't need to research anything. He's a full on nerd. He lives these franchises as a fan and could probably 'out geek' us all on their lore.
He's the best guy in Hollywood right now. He needs protecting from the rot that is Hollywood
Henry Cavill has true passion for fictional universes. DCs Superman, The Witcher, Warhammer. He reads the books, he plays the games. His passion combined with his ability to act and carry that fictional material towards a more mainstream movie/series appeal is truly unique.
Great guy!
And yet he's consistently saddled with writers who don't care even a tenth as much as he does. It's aggravating, really.
@@LyonTheGreat the fuck you gon do about it, huh ? That’s how it is
@@larrymunn5279 He said in some interview prior to the witcher start that he wants to do his best to represent the character as faithfully as possible (something like that).
Makes the impression on me that he really is just a fanboy himself and doesnt do it only for the money but because he is passionate about it and that he wants to share that passion.
Although I am a fan of Warhammer 40k and Cavill, I'm a little concerned he's going into that genre. As much a I love it, it is one of the more absurd fictional universes, with giant holes in the story and logic of how the world works. Honestly I can't quite put my finger on why as an adult i still find it so fascinating. I'm not sure it can be brought into the mainstream and be taken seriously by those who already aren't on board with it, and Cavill might be hurting his career. I do think whoever is making the Lore for GW these days are taking major steps to adjusting the world to a more mature one that make sense. I also understand that the lore had to keep in mind that this is all based on a tabletop game where any faction needs to be justified in fighting any other faction at any time, which produces a lot pressure to make in world lore be very illogical at times.
Still, if there is a list of people who could pull it off through passion, talent, and popular good will, Henry Cavill would have to be on it.
@@JesterForHire1663do you remember, or have you ever seen 'Inquisitor'?
Can't remember if it was fan made, by GW, or somewhere in between. What I saw was hilariously bad, and yet I wanted more 😂 they had it playing on a (really bad quality) screen at games day '96, ah the good days...
Need to look that film up now.
Cavill is a truly classy guy and would have loved to see him as Superman again
onwards to Warhammer 40k
If he was given more character I couldn't agree more, personally I'd rather see him as James Bond but we're likely never gonna see that
I actually shouted out loud in theatres when I saw him come out in Black Adam, and now that is dashed.
It will not happen. BUT it was announced now that he will... have his own Warhammer 40k series, both as an actor and producer, with Amazon.
The sun will shine on him. He's the goods!✌🏽
“They picked some of the best actors in the worst movies.”
That’s the most concise and accurate critique of the DCEU I’ve heard yet.
A great observation.
And Gunn knows that too. Cavill and Mamoa are supposedly playing different roles but staying in the DC universe
J Astrology - nah be honest - who would Cavill give af about playing the role of other than Superman? He chose Superman cos he was an iconic character.. I don’t see him playing someone like Captain Cold in the future cos everything is a passion project for him.. Chances are he’s done
@@jastrology4192 a great actor in the wrong role still makes for a terrible film
@@jastrology4192 I can see Mamoa as Lobo, yeah, but I just _can't_ bring myself to want any live Superman that isn't Cavil.
“He’s got all the qualities that Hollywood hate right now”.
Nailed it.
If I became an actor and got asked who I would work with the most, it's Henry!🙂
Why does Superman have to be young forever ?
A maturing, even aging hero would be pretty interesting to see.
Cavill is too chad looking, they need a skinny meek dude to paired with the female lead
Superman & Lois is amazing. I watched it when it aired - and talked my wife, who is not a superman fan - into giving the show a chance 3 weeks ago, and we binged through it straight.
Honestly Tyler (Clark on L&C) is an amazing superman, and the older, experienced, superman with kids angle is really cool
@@KABLAMMATS they want a skinny type, push-over for the STRONG WAHMAN to look down on.
They want Superpimp instead of Superman in modern Hollywood
@@lucidzfl couldn’t get past after 5th episode
Cavil is such a good Superman, he’s got the look, the class, the feel, just amazing. I’m now a huge fan of Cavil the actor
He's also great in the mission impossible, dude has insane charisma. These filmmakers are total fools for doing this.
I hate seeing the Witcher without him and I hate seeing Superman without him as well. It seems like they are trying to wipe him out of Hollywood.
Apart from Cavil the actor I'm a fan of Cavil the person and Cavil the Warhammer fan
Let's keep our fingers crossed for Henry as Bond, and also Amazon not screwing with him now that he got into Warhammer.
Cavill himself is as much of a real-life Clark Kent as you can get; he's big, brute, but also heartwarming, very welcoming and caring, a dork, unashamedly nerdy, and probably believes Santa is real as well.
How can Henry Cavill be treated so badly yet be so polite when speaking of those who did him dirt? How can he be that perfect for a role, that well liked, that popular with anyone and everyone, yet be fired for the gig everyone wants to see him in as Hollywood is struggling to revive a franchise? And yet he still speaks kindly and professionally about everyone he's worked for who screwed him over. How can he do all that?
Because he actually is Superman.
Samuel, are you sure you are 18? because you are not speaking as an adult but as a kid. Every adult has been treated badly by some other adult in their life and it is up to them as how to speak about it. Every adult has a master to their life and it is up to them as to how they treat them no matter how they were treated by them. Hollywood just happens to be in an awful mental and money state at this time and will do anything to get out of it to put themselves back in more $$$ state.
@@robertdionne2311 I'm 47, I own 2 successful and profitable businesses. Please, lecture me further. Did you read to the end of my comment, past 144 letters? "Hollywood" is just shooting themselves in the foot over and over with retreaded IP. While adults get treated badly on the regular, Cavill isn't you or me, he's very PUBLIC. That's different. Yet he still maintains a very professional, grounded and polite response to his ill treatment, and I have to respect that.
@@robertdionne2311True, adults are supposed to respond well to negative pressure, but.....I used to work in customer service, and..... a lot of 'em don't. It's worth praising someone who chooses not to respond badly to being treated badly. A lot of adults don't exhibit that trait, unfortunately.
He's British
Because he's a professional and not a drama queen.
The way he’s been treated is the thing that annoys me. He was told to announce he was back a few weeks ago, now this. Awful tbh…
As a fellow Gibbo I couldn't agree more 😁
What's up Gibbos 😂
I’m not Henry’s super fan. But it’s super clear he is insanely liked by everyone, they could have started from clean slate, did a soft reboot, did some multiverse erasing, whatever they would do, people like him so much, girls and boys, everyone would go and see it anyway. Stupid, it’s just stupid to remove this fan likability boost from future projects
Does anything else need to happen to prove how broken the business model in hollywoke is?!
Popularity used to be iddqd mode for actors, studios would cover up everything short of mass murder to protect their investment.
Now being popular isn't even enough to keep a spot in a franchise...
@@greebj well, they covered for Ezra Muller and Amber Heard....
@@greebj Cavill should’ve just said he was Trans gay and he wouldn’t have been fired
Straight white male that cares about the lore and the fans adore. That is the modern day Hitler in Hollywood’s eyes. Not shocking he had to go. I’ve already heard they were trying to bring a black superman to screen, and no it wasn’t Bizarro
He’s a huge nerd like most of us, and understood his characters more than the fools who mucked up DC and Witcher.
"Cavil has everything Hollywood doesn't want right now"
-Az
Perfectly fact
Yep. That line made me nod my head. Cavill is tough, handsome, and can kick ass. Hollywood doesn't want men like that. They want metrosexuals who cry on command, who knuckle under to any female within 10 feet, and lament about their privilege.
The incompetence of those who run Warner bros and dc is staggering
Dude, facts
cant wait for it to crash and burn
Sounds like a comment after Ben Affleck was cast as Batman
At some point even with all their fck ups Disney is going to put them out of buisness.
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 Yay, more Disney Monopolising companies 🙄
10 years of 'Smallville' just wasn't enough obviously. We definitely need to see a bunch of films about a young Clark Kent now.
Definitely...we need the gay back story for the new gay Superman...
Don't forget Lois and Clark. Original description of Gunn's vision sounds like the cinematic version of that show.
Until Superman is a black mary sue that belittles everyone around her, they won't be finished with the character.
More Smallville!!! Yay!! jk
I was just about to say!!! Why RESTART all of it AGAIN?
They don't want Henry for two reasons:
1) He stirs the pot by asking them to leave the messaging behind and stick to the source material.
2) He's traditionally masculine and they hate that.
And that's unfortunately Modern Hollywood nowadays. How pathetic!
This is like watching someone you really care about finally get out of an abusive relationship.
Huh? It’s like seeing someone you really care about get the beating of their life.
@@leebjorkman9063 they’re saying because WB has f’d with Henry Cavill so much, in and out of this for years, he’s free now
@@borkguy I know what they meant, it’s just not accurate. Henry didn’t have a contract with WB, so he wasn’t in a relationship with them. It’s not like they were leading him on and playing games ie being “abusive”. He wanted a relationship with them and did everything right to get back in the suit. This stunt they pulled was the abusive part. He’s not freed, he’s been rejected.
Cavill seems to be one of the few actors in hollywood with some dignity left. He earned a lot of respect for quiting The Witcher because he doesnt wanted to be involved in something he liked getting wrecked.
...is it?
You may have an unhealthy and veeeery one-sided emotional connection to this actor who would have zero knowledge of or opinion on whether or not you live or die.
I literally just watched black Adam and it was a decent popcorn flick but when they played the superman score and Henry Cavill walked out of the shadows brought such a smile to my face....now I'm super sad that they are not continuing his career of being superman.
Cinema I was in went batshit crazy when Cavill appeared as Superman, they have just thrown that all away.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Throwing things away is what DC does with their live action films.
@@nathanddrews Warner Discovery need to start doing business with Liberty Media who literally owns both the Atlanta Braves and Formula One.
i really think they used Cavill to add more hype to DCEU and Black Adam
My name is black Adam 2 and I'm going to battle Superman and it doesn't matter what your name is your cancelled if you smell what the dumb ass James is cooking!
Heelvs's rant at 12:30 is PITCH PERFECT. Honestly, he tapped into my psyche and deep instincts about so many of the things wrong with modern Hollywood.
His speech was spot on!
16:26 "Bloddy Tom Holland? Timothée Chalamet?"
Drinker's face...
@@leonardodavi2695
In all seriousness, we got David Corenswet as our new Superman.
Biggest example of "not listening to the fans" I've ever seen. Shame on James Gunn.
Yeah, shame on him for doing his job. How dare he.
As a fan I'm fine with so I guess it's "not listening to certain fans."
@@AhtoNajeebRashied Doing his job... Wrong. 😂
@@AhtoNajeebRashied Disney executives have been doing their job for the past few years. Where did that bring the company?
Well…Gunn is a suspected kid diddler…
They easily could have pulled a parallel universe soft reboot. Henry is beyond perfect for the role, on screen and especially off screen. The way he is able to promote a movie like Superman or the entire DCEU by being an actually corteous, charismatic and absolutely handsome sun of a gun is something that DC shouldnt overlook, especially after the disaster with Ezra Miller and Amber Heard. He is loved by the fans, by the press, by Hollywood. That is extremely rare and actually worth a lot these days. And it would especially be worth the paycheck he demands.
His nephew is the best Hype Man DC doesn't have to pay.
i agree, hope they bring him back as alternate universe, imagine if they pulled a no way home like movie, welp, only time will tell
The comparison to Heard and Miller is a fantastic point
BUt he's a WHiTe MaN!
What would have been the point
Cavil was one of the very few positives in the DC universe lately.
A classy dude with some solid acting chops.
I also hate to see him move on from the Witcher role, but the writers are destroying that franchise, so I don't blame him. He cares about the source material and it shows in his portrayal of Geralt. The books are really good, and I think that respecting Sapkowski's stories on screen would have yielded a series that appealed to both the people that loved that games and the portion of the public that doesn't play video games. There were some real opportunity in the Witcher series, particularly with Cavil in the role of Geralt, and it was completely wasted by Netflix.
Henry Cavill in the 80s would be dominating everything with his look and acting skill.
You could put him in as Rambo seamlessly for example
Only the first Rambo.
Then again, I was sceptical about him playing Geralt of Rivia and he's done great. I still think he is too handsome to play Geralt, but as for capturing the character's soul, Cavill did an excellent job.
My vision of Geralt looks more akin to younger Mads Mikkelsen or even younger Rutger Hauer.
@@vyacheslavgrinko9993 hehehe, too handsome for geralt? tbh Geralt in the games isnt ugly, l wouldnt even call him average. He is no model but even as a straight guy, l see that he is a fetching guy which makes sense why the witches cant resist him let alone any woman at that lol
@@alispeed5095 have you read the books?
Geralt was no looker.
@@vyacheslavgrinko9993 I did read the books but sadly that was after playing witcher 3. SO l always imagined geralt as that geralt from the game.
He doesn't fit Rambo.
I agree with Geralt's looks, it should be someone more rugged like Frank Grillo.
My biggest hope for Cavill is that Tom Cruise brings him into other projects. Obviously no more M:I movies, but anything else. Maybe a sci-action project or some new potential franchise that lets Cavill shine to the point were he can finally get more pull and make sure he doesn't get screwed over for being way too good for the roles he's been getting.
You mean like Warhammer 40k for Amazon? 'Cause I have news for you...
Cavill deserves a franchise
@@HerculesBallsInc Key word there is "Amazon".. though I'll gladly eat my words if it's done justice.
Yeah, Cruise needs to get him for something.
He saved the career of Miles Teller with Top Gun 2, he can save Cavill's career too.
@@botmushin8878 Agreed. Amazon has a way of woking things up. We'll see.
You could take Henry Cavill and time travel back to the golden age of Hollywood and he would fit in, he’s that kind of talent, and it sucks that he’s once again getting screwed over by Hollywood.
So screw Hollywood over by not going to future DC movies nor renting them or buying them at retail stores.
This is absolute proof now that Henry didn't leave the Witcher for the superman role but for the writers being shit
Watch actors remove "extensive knowledge of source material" from their bios when doing comic movies from here on.
He also has a confirmed gig in the First 40k production, where he has a role and executive producer. Hopefully that means that his input is more respected this time
@@Jo_Der_Punk they better not fuck it up
@@Jo_Der_Punk It's by Amazon. His love for and knowledge of the lore will be a HUGE impediment to him. He'll probably be thrown off the production after he gets on their nerves by trying to make a good, lore-consistent show.
@@tobsw3802 Yeah, if they try to RoP this he will jump off that ship at let it sink with them alone on it
The 'I want some hope in our movies' sums up SO much of what the problem is. Deconstructions have their place, and the ones that work have writers that DON'T hate the thing they're deconstructing. One of the reasons the original Star Wars was so successful was because it was a breath of fresh air in a rather grimdark period in cinema (and world affairs). What we need now is another movie like that :(
Fuckin Logan deconstructed the superhero better than anything in the last decade and it was (imo) a perfect movie.
It amazes me how hard these film companies try not to make money.
Az’s rant is absolutely on the money and I love how everyone is quiet and respectful as he lets loose on all his frustrations because he’s just saying what they, and we, are all thinking; that we don’t want anymore superheroe deconstructions
Fully agreed - that rant, and the way everyone else let Az go uninterrupted, was podcasting gold
Nah he crossed a line, it was an extremely whiny rant about how he wants things his way.
I think he just said what fans felt. And. Peacemaker was okay. But. It wasn’t great. The best pet was the eagle. Very forgetful show to be honest. Just like suicide squad. As I said above. Gunn is JJ light. And apparently he’s bringing that idiot back. Get ready for more mystery boxes and lens flare.
Perfect rant!! Bravo Az!
The Snyder movies ARE superhero deconstructions.
Wonder Woman's supposed "good" movie was about how there is no such thing as evil and humanity is just dysfunctional. To the point she had to be turned into a dumb emotional bimbo about the situation. Only to turn around and have a blue laser finale.
I'm a casual fan. Enough to appreciate Henry for what he's done. I mean, he's perfection! I never realized until Az's rant that this is why people care. This is why people read comics. This is why people have heroes. Hollywood doesn't have them or can portray them. Henry was your best shot at one.
Lets hope the Bond Franchise see this opportunity and we all get the role Cavill was born to play.
100% this
It’s gonna be the black woman who was in No Time to Die
They'd be actively trying to kill the franchise if they didn't give him a chance to be bond, but then again they made no time to die so not looking good so far.
Wasn't James replaced by a black woman? I am saving so much money on movies the past few years...
I'm not a fan of James Bond, I'm also not an avid cinema goer. But if he actually is the next Bond, I will definitely go to the cinema to see one of my favorites actors.
Henry Cavill is the living embodiment of Superman, and he even looks perfect for the part. This isn't fair to Henry and to the world robbed of potential greatness.
I think if he had the actual Superman powers, he would have been the real hero. He genuinely cares for the fandom.
@@yahyarajaee5883 He "cares" because he's not one of those jarheads in an office chair, he's a jarhead in his own chair playing WoW, Witcher etc.
What make him and the late Reeves truly the men of steel. They just didn’t act the part, they lived it and truly believed what the symbol of Superman means/meant beyond the character.
WORD!
Completely not fair and I don't want to hear the typical trite that "life isn't fair." When he announced he was coming back people applauded this from hardcore fans to the cast of Good Morning America. IF this decision was at all based on Black Adam's performance, they are completely different things. Yet again the heads of DC making the fans hate them; the very people that you want coming to your movies.
This whole decision gives way to the age old phrase. People don’t truly understand what they have until they lose it. It’s absolutely devastating how poorly used cavil was. Hope the man gets what he deserves in the near future.
That would depend on you. You will need to spread your word to all your family and friend about emailing the DC universe about how wrong they were to not let Cavill return as Superman anymore and they refuse to pay for any cinema movie about another actor portraying Superman nor renting or owning that movie SO DC gets the hint to fire their executives and let ordinary people do the next hiring so this pissed never happens again.
Wish Henry Cavill all the best; a class act with so much passion for entertainment and all the interests, gaming, comics, whatever. A superb actor and I hope he gets to work with other people who share his love for source material.
Cavill demonstrated something so few people in the industry seem to have: integrity.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Amber Heard comes back as Lois Lane
You mean jenLawrence forghe first time playing AHeard playing superLois?
And Jennifer Lawrence as Superman.
@@NovaNix4
Makes sense.
As long as Danny DeVito is in the film somewhere.
I won't be watching, but I want him there in some role.
@@sergiogonzalesYT
As jenLawrence is the the first Christopher Reeve to play Christopher Reeve, it makes sense she is reprising the role
@@sergiogonzalesYT Lawrence is too fat for a superman role.🤷
There's rumors along the vine that Cavil might be doing a WH40K show. Honestly, I'm fucking happy for that.
If that's true that would be fucking awesome
And I hope it's wildly successful too!
Though not because of Amazon or GW, just because Cavill using his experiences converts those involved into 40k players!
I looked it up and it's probably going to be an Amazon series. Fucking rip
Hopefully they don’t fuck it up again with woke shit… remember it’s amazon
Oof i wouldn't be so happy yet
Beautifully said, Az.
I was genuinely looking forward to Shazam 2, cause I’m a huge Zachary Levi fan, but I don’t want to give WB any of my money at this point
Me too and I saw Black Adam because Henry Cavill was back. I supported them for the first Gal Wonder Woman and Cavill Superman. And they backstabbed them. James why? why DC? Why would u do this?
Yeah the other thing is though that I think isn't being mentioned is that Cavill has shown he cares enough about source material and staying true to the fans that he's willing to walk away if the riders tried to trash it up too much, and maybe they expect to trash it up pretty good so they don't want that kind of risk
The bizarre problem is that studios don't give a shit about the source material. They're more interested in pandering to the woke audience. Which is utterly weird because EVERY time they do that, it fails. The woke want to make a loud noise about representation etc, then don't even go and watch the fucking films. What a fucked up and confusing time to be alive.
It’s mentioned 14:59
Gunn is the greatest asset Disney ever had. He created them a billion dollar franchise from obscure characters that are now household names, infiltrated their competition by making them a good movie and a good series, and now burns them to the ground by throwing out everything that worked, intentionally pressing the reboot button AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME, and crowning himself as the Feige of the upcoming projects. If thats not an industry predator on the highest level, I dont know what is.
But did he really create that movie or was he just one of several developers on it?
@@bighands69 he wrote and directed it
@@shr33d3r56 Overlord DVD has stated that it appears to be David Z. who canned it all, not Gunn.
James Gunn is terrible at writing villains
@@ItalianPolock1 James Gunn is terrible period. The fact that a marvel puppet is now in charge of DC is hilarious
I've been following Henry Cavill since the Tudors and really enjoyed his performances. He would be such an awesome Bond.
Regarding DC, I was a little kid in the nineties and I remember being obsessed with the batman animated series. From time to time I like to watch some old episodes and animated movies.
Cavill should not be a Bond as then that fan world would disrespect too. It's either Cavill or drop Superman as I believe Hollywood will as they want a younger Superman now but already played out in tv and movies. Cavill will have to find a role that is controlled by a person and not Hollywood.
Gutted about Cavill being out as Superman. It’s like the guy was created in lab for that role. Also, you guys are right about how he has all the traditional qualities of a leading man in Hollywood, but apparently Hollywood isn’t interested in money these days, they care more about this elusive “modern audience” they keep telling us about, but I suspect doesn’t exist in any meaningful way.
And Henry, as always, was a complete class act in how he responded.
That rant by "Az" - a perfect summation of what we're all thinking, and why we're all upset. Thank you for vocalizing it .
Tell you what, Az’s rant couldn’t have more perfectly encapsulated how I feel about superheroes. I’m just watching Rocky 3 actually and there’s a great scene where Mickey is saying why Rocky shouldn’t fight Clubber Lang and Mickey says, “the worst thing that could’ve happened to you happened- you got civilised”, and I think it a great analogy to modern entertainment- it’s lost it’s balls.
Some clear examples are the reboots of Robocop and Total Recall, in PG13. Two awful remakes of classic 90s action movies.
I loved Az's rant! 😍
Ezra Miller still in, Amber Heard still in, Henry Cavill out... What a forking timeline we live in?
Bizzaro Universe 😁
Cmon man…they’re not. They just have films coming out soon.
Use a brain cell
If it makes you feel any better, my understanding is that everyone is out. Ben Affleck, Gal Gadot, Ezra Miller, Amber Heard, Henry Cavill... all being replaced by cheaper actors. It's a full universe reboot.
Flashpoint 2
No. The Flash is already filmed. Aquaman 2 is already filmed. Those films will be released, but Evil Miller and Amber Turd will not be playing their respective characters ever again.
After Shazam 2 is released, then they release The Flash, then they release Blue Beetle, then they release Aquaman 2, THEN James Gunn's DCU begins.
Babyface speaks the truth here BIG TIME. And Drinker introduced me to him. Thank you!
His long speech is absolutely amazing! Like WOW!👏🏻
12:30 - 17:02 - Az's rant couldn't have been more on the money and more heartfelt, and fair play to the other guys for sitting there patiently quiet and letting him get it, undisturbed, off his chest. And he's right, Cavill knows too much, because he's one of us. He should be everywhere - He should be Bond, Superman, Highlander, The Witcher.... all at the same time!
He’s just like me fr
Az on point! Spoken like a True Fan, thanks!
He could be you, he could be me! (not really)
Az is full of shit. One time Critic praises The Boys and now he sits and silently listens the shitting on "deconstruction of heroes" trope.
Yeah, Cavill is very smart and knowledgeable, and, that obviously rubs the morons running the shows/studios badly.
Heel's monologue was a bloody gem because of how pure and perfect it was
He’s going to be on the Warhammer 40k series and he’s one of the executives for writing so that’s gonna be a baller show. It’s Amazon and the only reason I have hope for it is because of The Terminal List and it’s Henry on the actual production so I’m have high hopes for that.
They WILL find a way to f it up
He's a huge Warhammer fan so he'll hopefully treat it as a labor of love.
The Warhammer show will probably be either awful or absolutely amazing.
@@PrinceofRavens64 yes, and if it's awful, it won't be Henry's fault. Either it'll be good and worth watching or terrible and lead to entertaining reviews of it.
Stop saying this aboyt 40k it isn't even real
Just imagine the insane amount of pressure surrounding the poor guy that will eventually replace Cavill
The shortlist is actually a European woman of color to play the new Superman.
@@martinsolomon5500 he will definately be black or lgbtq.
It is easy to see why there aren't any Movie Stars left in Hollywood, when the good actors can't find good scripts to work off of...
I hope Warhammer FINALLY showcases Cavill's full range and potential while also being good enough in its own right to justify its own existence 💖
Cavill leaving as superman now paves the way for him to produce a Warhammer 40k project. Silver linings and I'm actually excited for it.
I am cautiously optimistic for it, I just hope that cavil has full control of the project so that way it will at least be faithful to the lore
I think Heels Babyfaces rant summed up the state of the modern superhero era perfectly.
"Stop deconstructing, start reconstructing"
Every deconstruction he brought up were well liked by the vast majority and are also not trying to be big things, he comes off as a whisky bitch bc Batman got shit on my a d lister
According to my sauces, Jennifer Lawrence will be the next Superman. The script will be written by Phoebe Waller Bridge and every male character will be gender flipped. I'm really looking forward to seeing Jenny Olsen, Peri White and Lexi Luthor in SuperMaam!!!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
O do hope Danny DeVito plays Lois Lane!!
@@yetanotherspuart3993 He is actually in talks to become Braina, the genderflipped version of Brainiac
@@Jo_Der_Punk
Sounds perfect for him!!
I guess Jada Pinkett Smith will be playing Lexi Luthor and I really hope Will Smith didn't hear that joke.
James Gunn forgets that Disney cancelled him, and the fans got him hired again.
James Gunn was caught in a pedophilia party and yet he is making decisions of the Superman film, kind of like Marvel getting rid of Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool or Tom Hardy as Venom. Warner Discovery is probably just as bad as the AOL Time Warner merger.
"The fans" didn't hire him again, he is a company yes-man who laughed at Gina Carano being canned. Dude has the right politics and he kisses up to his superiors, that will get you very far.
No his cast got him rehired when just all of them threatened to boycott been in GOTG VOL 3 if he wasn't reinstated.
@@taliamason7986 Exactly. Nobody was listening to the fans.
It wasn't Disney that cancelled him. It was a conservative politician he had a disagreement on twitter with who sent his old tweets to Disney PR and Corporate.
Henry Cavill is total CLASS act. What they basically did to him would make an average person go "postal". However, prediction. Cavill in ten years; owns his one of the studios. And all of the executives that dumped him. Will be the coffee servers.
Hey guys, thank you for letting AZ rant towards the end there. It feels good to hear that a lot of the critics I enjoy, listening to on TH-cam are also concerned about the same things that I am as a viewer movies: specifically being able to walk out of a movie inspired by the characters on screen to do more with my life in someway that would impact the people around me. Really enjoyed this content for today, thank you for taking the time to put it together!
Especially Superman, that’s kind of the point of his character
@@bencarlson4300 ESPECIALLY Superman. Very valid point. I get tired of those who shit on his character for being so powerful when to me his entire existence was rooted in finding the benevolence behind humanity and determining what values were worth standing up for and protecting.
I would love to see a Cavill Bond played old school
THIS!
The Man from UNCLE should've shown Bond producers that Cavill in a Bond series set in the late 1950s through the 60s would be fantastic. It just looks right.
@@mrkeogh yesss. Napoleon Solo should have been his ticket straight to Bond.
@@mrkeogh Cavill was next in line if Craig tuned down the role but it seems the producers are now pandering to social media and a old school Bond set in the modern era is everything that social media is against
It should also continue from Brosnan's Bond. If they're just going to reboot for each new actor, what's the point? We've already seen Bond's story twice now.
You can get a glimpse of the possible Cavill Bond in the Guy Ritchy film "the man from UNCLE" not a great film, elevated only because of Cavill imo
I have cried more at Henry being shafted than I have about anything from cinema in the last decade 😂😭
I just feel sorry for Henry in that they told him it was a done deal and to release the news on twitter. Now they stab him in the back and make him look silly (not that I think he looks silly, but you know what I mean).
"Who are they gonna cast as Superman? Tom Holland?"
Don't give them ideas Az, they'll do it.
If I were the DC brass I would have kept Henry, soft rebooted the universe all the way back to Man of Steel and started from there. I know MoS had it's issues and I know a lot of people didn't like it but I think it gives a pretty good base for a proper Superman portrayal, they just didn't use it.
You can set it a couple years after the events of MoS and have Superman realize that he was just a passive hero before, only helping people when they were nearby and that isn't enough anymore. He's now fully dedicated himself to helping people. Stopping criminals, saving crashing airplanes, talking depressed teenage girls off of rooftops, being there for people when and where they need him. Proper hero shit. Maybe have him realize that killing Zod was wrong and vow never to take a life again. Definitely dye the suit in brighter colours. Make him be hopeful and cheerful, a beacon of light in these dark times. A goddamned inspiration like he's supposed to be. But for the love of god don't have him mope around for the entire freaking movie like BvS. SUPERMAN SMILES!
Then and ONLY then, do you build the universe. You could do separate Batman, Wonder Woman etc films after MoS 2, or if you want to cash in on a group film do a worlds finest film (Batman/Superman. my personal preference) or a Trinity film (Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman). You could recast those roles if you needed to, I still like Ben and Gal but I get recasting them if necessary. No Justice League yet. Too soon.
Start introducing other characters in solo films. I don't care if people say "waah, you're just copying Marvel". So what? It works, do it. Don't genderswap or raceswap characters, that'll just alienate your core audience and won't attract enough new people to offset that. Instead, if you want to push 'the message' use existing characters. DC has hundreds of characters to choose from, from every background you can imagine. If you want a specific category, there's a character for that. And they probably have a pretty dedicated fanbase too.
i feel so bad for Henry he deserves better he cares so much even more than the actual producers about the source material, DCEU is in a tough place right now (as they always were tbh) and I do agree with Babyface that Peacemaker was terrible i don't know if i can trust Gunn if he writes shit like that again.
Peacemaker was great
Yeah I really tried hard to give that show a shot and I ended up regretting having watched 5 episodes.
Gunn can't direct people to express anger without yelling. Watch the season again and look for tempered disagreement, you won't find it. It's all yelling. Overrated.
@@Nothinglastsforever there are many ways to express anger, yelling is one of them and Gunn executed them well
Az's rant is pure golden and damn based. Really pulls at the heart.
It’s not a rant. It’s pure truth LOL
@@harlequin75 oh no absolutely, rant was the wrong word use, and meant in the nicest possible way
He even had Critical slackjawed and going, "Daaaaaaayum, son!"
Can be both -rant and crystalline truth at the same time; AZ throws off some John Oliver vibes for me
@@fonkenful AZ's right.....fk Warner and saffrov kinda makes me wanna cancel my hbo max.......
The best Superman to date. The little things he did to add like after he got hit by the locomotive pushed it and spoke to the sgt. before the event of flying his facial expression right before he took to flight, gave me goose bumps that was awesome. A great expression to add to display before transitioning into flight. Henry took Superman to another level. Why do you get rid of the Golden Goose.
Because all he laid was rotten eggs
Lol. Naaaa, I beg to differ
Or the scene in Justice League where the Flash tries to run past him, and Superman just turns and glares at him. That look would make Darkseid crap himself. (And, as much as I hate to say it, props to Ezra Miller for the look of utter shock on his face.)
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I like Mauler's idea of a Flash paradox disaster scenario. That's similar to how Final Fantasy 14 re-tooled for 'A Realm Reborn' where the terrible state that the original game launched in was completely rebuilt and replaced from the ground up -- but the reset was presented as a 'meteor' striking the world so that there was narrative continuity across versions. It worked very well and gave an interesting sense of history to the world moving forward. It was the ultimate "yes, and".
Another thing about the FF14 reset was that the creators acknowledged the mistakes of the first release and worked to fix it. That requires humility and respect to the fans... something WB/DC seems to lack.
Seeing Henry as a Primarch or a Space Marine Captain instead of MoS? I say it's a good trade.
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I would rather see him as some one as Gaunt, Eisenhorn or Cain. Space marines stories, hmm not sure if he looks like as any Primarch, maybe Brother Captain of some chapter or so, but I think Inquisition or Astramilitarum would suit him better.
Dude, Cavill as The Captain General of the Custodes...he needs to wear the golden armor.
make him the God-Emperor himself.
@@TaddiestMason Only if that will be Unification wars, and Great Crusade
Heelvz was spitting facts. It moved me so much. I want to be moved. I want to be inspired. I want to be superman to be superman. I want batman to be batman.
It’s such a shame because they found the perfect actors for so many of the roles they just had bad writing and directing.
When Az went off he was spot on. Very well said. Shows like the boys and peacemaker are fun to watch but how long can that last. Where are the optimistic films that society needs to carry us forward.
Yeah... BvS destroyed everything all in one film. Rushed Justice League appearances, no solo Batman movie beforehand.... Basically everything MCU did to craft their avengers, DC did in a year and it failed so hard. And then they tried to keep the franchise going without any clear direction or writing. Now we have a couple great movies (WW and Shazam), a couple mid movies (Aquaman and Black Adam) and some really awful movies (the rest of them) and it's just whatever. I'm glad they're rebooting, but man they fucked everything up hard.
They don’t need to last long, they are there own things, az just got his panties in a wad because peace maker joked about the justice league
Henry.C needs to be in another U.N.C.L.E film now !
So what's going to be this movie's story.
I really liked the casting there, Armie Hammer was good as well, but hes been cancelled i believe. So i dunno ..
Is it any good haven't got round to watching it yet i vaguely remember the original tv series as a kid watching re runs in the 80s
Henry Cavill in "Man from Uncle". This reboot was so underrated
I really enjoyed this movie too
DC and Warners think the problem is with the actors and not EVERY other part of their process. Ironic
James Gunn probably gave us Henry Cavill in WH40k. That is a win/win in my book.
Have you seen or heard anything aboot amazon-rangs-of-powAA??
lol Its AMAZON...wheres the win in that?
@@Thetenmaumau Jack Reacher, The Terminal List. Unless you wanted to say those are garbage too? Did you? They can if they want to.
@@2nd_Directorate
Have not seen them, won't watch them.
So yes, Amazon bad choice.
Too many normies killing 40k.
2 decent shows of the pile of garbage they have in their catalogue wh40k from amazon is DOA
Heel's rant was pretty spot on. I think we are all so tired of this crap, but I don't see an end in sight.
Henry Cavill as Bond.
HeelsVBF's rant at the end...Is EXACTLY how I feel about this. He nailed everything fans feel!
CONSTRUCTING heros! YES. Well said, Az! In a world as stressful and strained as ours, we need to learn how to be heros, we need examples to draw from, and we need precisely that kind of build in our culture now.
18:31 I will add to what the drinker said about Cavill that Henry was classy off screen as well. He was good for the press tour as well … something often overlooked (by DC anyway)
Great discussion and points made by all. I really enjoyed this.
"We don't deserve Henry". So true!
They only let him announce he was coming back so they could save black Adam, the end credit scene was what people wanted to see most
I was gonna watch and buy that movie. But now I’m not. Just gonna save my movie.
@@SansoHumar captain Jack sparrow
Cavill is every nerds boyfriend. He should get chants of "one of us" at every con.
Maybe some studio is smart enough to start a 007 or Jason Bourne style movie franchise with Cavill in the lead. He had a very promising testrun in "Men from UNCLE" . I have no hope for the next James Bond, so something new would be my preferred option :)
exactly him as napoleon solo was great in man from uncle
@Simulation algorithm
Bond is finished and he will never be the same after No Time to Die. Once a movies series like Bond loses is edge and way it is very hard to get it back again because that new character is all people see.
@@bighands69 that's what ppl like you said after OHMSS. Then after man with the golden gun. Then after view to a kill. Then after license to kill, bonds relevance was vehemently questioned. Die another day and NTTD are in the same bond transition phase. If you're a true bond fan, you'd know
That is the cruelest kind of prank. They got both Cavill and the fans' hopes up just to dash them son after. I have to wonder just how costly this joke will end up being in the long run.
It's been just announced Black Superman is on again.
Cavill also announced that he now has a deal with Amazon to make a Warhammer thing.. which he is super passionate about.. and I'd put money that Cavill has reached out to Brandon Sanderson (someone who he is a huge fan of) to be a part of the upcoming Sanderson thing. Good time to be a Cavill fan imo.
Totally right about deconstruction. And the rant about it afterward was a strait shot.
Reconstruction is the important final step in the healthy life cycle of the criticism. You don't have to go back to a corny silver age thing, but you can make a true modern adaption that pulls the soul of the character into a new era.
DC on film has the same issue that happens too often with the comics. What’s the point of getting invested if I know it’s all going to just get retconned and rebooted within the next few years? And for all we know, the same can very well happen with the next iteration. And the next one and so on.
As for Cavill, I’d like to see him become a producer. He clearly knows these franchises far better than most other execs in Hollywood.
Honestly I would love to see a 2nd part of the man from uncle, from Guy Ritchie. As he was so awesome in it. And we all know that they never going to cast him as bond so this is the closest we can get
This will be a good test of gunns range, assuming he has more control.
Watching suicide squad and peacemaker, I found myself wondering if the offbeat humor was like guardians of the galaxy because it's all he can do or was it studio executives pushing him to make it similar to guardians because that was so successful and they wanted their team of relatively unknown characters to be silly too?
very good point, I asked myself the same.
Wow, your comment gave me something to think about. I guess time will tell, though I fall more into AZ's line of thinking.
It was originally rumors, but the Warhammer Community page just confirmed that Cavil IS going to be starring and producing a Warhammer show. The red flag is Amazon is the platform, BUT his partner is Roy Lee who I believe doesn't have bad track record. This is surprisingly optimistic news after the Witcher and Superman. The question now is just how much Amazon, or even GW, will interfere.
Cavill is a huge Brandon Sanderson fan, so I’m hoping he gets a lead roll in a Mistborn movie or something like that. He’d make an amazing Kelsier from Mistborn or Vasher from Warbreaker
I see a cosmerenaut out in the wild 🌚
He'd be a good Kell or even TLR
@@prasadshriram2737 hello fellow Cosmerenaut!!! Wow, you’re right! He’d make an amazing Wax!
@@s.p.8508 Yes good Wax too.
@@prasadshriram2737 he’d pretty much be good in all of these. Although now that you mentioned The Lord Ruler, I think that’s the best fan cast, although I really like him as Vasher also.
Would love to see a Brandon Sanderson trilogy.
But fantasy and sci-fi nearly always sucks on screen.
I don't want to see his stories so badly cocked up either.
Superman is one of those characters that can absolutely be older and be everything the character is supposed to be. Cavil could do the character for as long as he stays in shape (which will probably be his whole life).
Cavil getting cut is one of the dumber things DC has done, and that’s saying something.
The fact that they didn't make a trilogy with Cavill that "rebooted," Superman into the hopeful hero he should have been all along blows my mind. Even if they changed all the other actors I feel like they should have kept him and redid the rest of the universe around his trilogy. He is and was a perfect Superman. Its the writing of the past movies that sucked.
He is the one and only DC actor fans actually want in the role. He is universally loved and he loves the property and source material of these properties and he puts in work to make sure they are adapted properly. Its kind of a no brainer in a town where nobody has a brain.
Heelvs is 100% correct on his rant. 100%! If the developers don’t love their work, it’s going to be shit.
Now with Cavills Warhammer-verse confirmed he definetly got out on top of this all. Also a huge win for the fans obviously
I think Henry.C would've waved any salary in favour of a strong script good direction & quality co-stars.. to play Superman again.
I'm sure something like a small % of the box office or such, or had him as a producer, could've been worked out. He comes across as very passionate about his rolls, & acting legacy. I think he could easily have been talked into that.
News just in, Henry Cavill is producing and acting in a Warhammer 40,000 production with Amazon studios
Heel going off on one for 4-1/2 minutes was perfection, pure and simple.
Doomcock reported a rumor that Zaslav ultimately made the call. According to his sources Ben Affleck wanted out. And in the end Zaslav was just like "fuck it - fire everyone, start over". I don't know if I believe that. But I honestly think Cavill deserves better than the DC anyway. It's been a complete mess since pretty much 'Batman v Superman'. I hope he'll get a Warhammer project going of some sort. That would be sick and right up his alley.
Apparently he is leading on with the Cinematic universe of 40k.
DC's loss is Warhammer 40k's gain
Produced by Amazon. If anything expect Cavill to be playing second fiddle to a female space marine. They are going to make a God of War series where most likely result is Atreus becoming a girl 😂
@@olivercrespo2329 It's reassuring that he is an executive producer as well.