My grandpa always said just because it works for his farm does not mean it works for another. Bit of a lesson there not just in farming, but in life. If he was still around, I’d be showing him your vids daily. Keep them coming brother and keep doing your own thing.
We are finding the opposite here in NW Ohio. Not much on edges and more in field. Some end rows are worse but We think the airplane couldnt throw spray down to close to edges due to power lines/trees. We are going to do 100 acres 2 times. Some later varieties and a test strip with some earlier varieties. Seeing those make me sick honestly. What a wild disease we have to deal with.
About the tar spot on the edges of the field i found this quote: "Many of the fields that have low levels of tar spot tend to have higher initial incidence of the disease on plants along a field edge. Martin Chilvers, a field crops pathologist at Michigan State University Extension, thinks this may have something to do with increased air flow allowing the plants along field edges to have more exposure to spores."
Transport of spores? Tractors, equipment, shoes, clothing, hands, wind (breeze path flow aisles). Maybe animals like to use the pathways created by the need for irrigation piping? Or it could be one of natures HILARIOUS mysteries? :)
Talking about how clean tile water is, the tile company I work for well it gets hot in the summer and I wouldn’t recommend it but we have filled out water jugs with tile water.
Since you have now located and flagged the “old” tile lines in that field will you try to GPS them with the gator like you do with all your new tile lines?
Every time you showed a few specs of Tar spot, I thought to myself, How are a few tiny specs gonna really effect the plant? Then the other day you showed were it got bad. Made alot more sense then!
Great explanation for what you need the drain tiles for. Although I think still the water soluble chemicals (including nitrogen/fertilizers) still end up in the water but in small PPM (parts per million) quantities. I would sample the water both now and after you plant the field and test it (but tbh I would not publish that anywhere... environmentalists are ANNOYING a/f) Its great how much you explain whats going on, I enjoy it.
A “silver lining” to corn showing some nitrogen deficiency is soluble ammonium compounds won’t be likely be runoff from the drain tile. I have seen Zach Johnson, The Millennial Farmer, take water samples from a tile outlet and send them into a state sponsored water monitoring / quality program.
My theory on more severe TS in the lanes, 1. better natural air flow/wind tunnel, 2. Gator/ tractor traffic kicking up mud, dust, TS spores. I have read of one instance of TS specks progressing to complete death in 3 weeks with ideal TS growing conditions. The potassium deficiency may be to lack of soil moisture at a critical time. It didn.t look too severe.. The nitrogen firing whoever - Still very good corn. Did you do any tissue sampling?
You don't have water sheds or water boards in your area? You can plow tile anywhere,dig new ditches anywhere,run water on adjoining land owners?Who do you talk to about water disputes town ship,county,state?
Would the problem be related to the fungicide application method? I would think that turbulence caused by the airplane speed, and open area of the lanes could cause the mist to fail to land on the plants. Inside the field, the turbulence helps it spread to more plants. Fluid dynamics is a complicated mechanism.
Out of curiosity, why did you not just plan for a 2 pass system post tassel, a lot of guys in area are doing one pass at VT and then at R3? Is it possible that the plane skipped spraying the irrigation lanes and in doing that also missed 2 or 3 rows on either side of the lane?
Is your corn for food or general or do you really know (ie a buyer just buys it and essentially brokers it out) I always wondered if there was a difference between food quality corn and ethanol / high fructose corn syrup versions.
Well there's a difference between sweet corn and field corn. The vast majority of field corn, or #2 yellow dent, is used for livestock feed, ethanol, or exports. It os what gets used for corn syrup or corn meal, etc. but that's a pretty small percentage.
23:17 I saw that STAT about the O2 amount more than the amazon rainforest... and that is just the LAST HALF OF ITS GROWTH PERIOD or something like that, it wasn't even taking into consideration the WHOLE GROWING PERIOD~!!! if I rememmeber the stat right.... each season puts more o2 in the air than that whole looses by like 3x or 5x someone else said
Hi Nathan. I have a Hagie and own a custom application business in Northeast Indiana. I have finished my season here and could come up and use your product on your field. I hate to see you lose any potential, and you have some big potential, in that field. I know you have the hard hose traveler in there, but I’m sure I could navigate around it. Let me know if you’re interested. Thanks!
@@BorderViewFarms Shoot. I thought it only laid with the rows and where it didn’t, you could go around. Just thought I would offer on the off chance your Hagie guy was unavailable. I didn’t want you to go without if I could help somehow! Thanks for the consideration!
Perhaps the tar spot issue you're dealing with is due to multiple factors. One being the lane has a larger area to collect the early morning dew hence the reason why you're seeing the tar spot more so in the lanes and on the lower levels of the corn plant leafs. Second is the density in which you planted your corn plot is hindering the lower level moisture from evaporating. You are aware as to how much a corn field perspires. Densely packed corn crops don't breathe as well. Therfore allowing for fungal growth. It's always a series of events that leads to a catastrophic failure. Should you only be irrigating your fields during the evening and night time? Being your corn plot field isn't GPS dead nuts level. Are you seeing more tar spot in the lower humps of your field? Best wishes...
I had to meet my tile contractor about 40 miles west of Indianapolis around 91 or 92. He just left a farm that was drained with boards laid into a triangle. The oldest tile I have experienced was flat bottom Clay,which was discontinued in early 20’s for round clay. I have seen some octagon tile. The concrete tile will all have to be replaced. It just deteriorates with time. I’ve had to repair plastic tile for mouse holes after a very dry year. I can show you flat bottom tile that are working perfectly after closing the outlet. Tiling is some of the best money spent on a farm. Yield monitors prove it!
They basically used 2 boards nailed together in an L shape placed in a trench like an inverted V. It was very primitive but effective, until the wood rotted.
I believe wood tile was used before clay or concrete, I read something on this several years ago, they would take a log cut it in half the the length of it ,then hollow it out and lay it under ground,basically a half moon with no bottom,I have also heard of a mole plow, a plow on the 3 point hitch that goes in the ground 30 inches or so with a chain attached to the bottom of it and then a steel ball on the end of the chain,when pulled thought the ground creating a tile type opening for the water to drain through,I'm thinking poor mans tiling:)
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My grandpa always said just because it works for his farm does not mean it works for another. Bit of a lesson there not just in farming, but in life. If he was still around, I’d be showing him your vids daily. Keep them coming brother and keep doing your own thing.
We are finding the opposite here in NW Ohio. Not much on edges and more in field. Some end rows are worse but We think the airplane couldnt throw spray down to close to edges due to power lines/trees. We are going to do 100 acres 2 times. Some later varieties and a test strip with some earlier varieties. Seeing those make me sick honestly. What a wild disease we have to deal with.
About the tar spot on the edges of the field i found this quote: "Many of the fields that have low levels of tar spot tend to have higher initial incidence of the disease on plants along a field edge. Martin Chilvers, a field crops pathologist at Michigan State University Extension, thinks this may have something to do with increased air flow allowing the plants along field edges to have more exposure to spores."
Transport of spores? Tractors, equipment, shoes, clothing, hands, wind (breeze path flow aisles). Maybe animals like to use the pathways created by the need for irrigation piping? Or it could be one of natures HILARIOUS mysteries? :)
Talking about how clean tile water is, the tile company I work for well it gets hot in the summer and I wouldn’t recommend it but we have filled out water jugs with tile water.
Since you have now located and flagged the “old” tile lines in that field will you try to GPS them with the gator like you do with all your new tile lines?
Like watching you .like the way that you tell how thing work I am from frogjump Tennessee
Every time you showed a few specs of Tar spot, I thought to myself, How are a few tiny specs gonna really effect the plant? Then the other day you showed were it got bad. Made alot more sense then!
If your truck shopping I would definitely not recommend a newer Western Star .
Great explanation for what you need the drain tiles for. Although I think still the water soluble chemicals (including nitrogen/fertilizers) still end up in the water but in small PPM (parts per million) quantities.
I would sample the water both now and after you plant the field and test it (but tbh I would not publish that anywhere... environmentalists are ANNOYING a/f)
Its great how much you explain whats going on, I enjoy it.
Yes the mobile nutrients could come out with the water but past testing g hasn't shown high Nitrate levels in the tile water
A “silver lining” to corn showing some nitrogen deficiency is soluble ammonium compounds won’t be likely be runoff from the drain tile. I have seen Zach Johnson, The Millennial Farmer, take water samples from a tile outlet and send them into a state sponsored water monitoring / quality program.
What did you figure out on the tar spot ?
Plane might have focused on the central parts of your field splits and slightly missed the edges of the lane?
My theory on more severe TS in the lanes, 1. better natural air flow/wind tunnel, 2. Gator/ tractor traffic kicking up mud, dust, TS spores. I have read of one instance of TS specks progressing to complete death in 3 weeks with ideal TS growing conditions. The potassium deficiency may be to lack of soil moisture at a critical time. It didn.t look too severe.. The nitrogen firing whoever - Still very good corn. Did you do any tissue sampling?
Any chance when you mow lanes somehow pushes tar spot around
Hi Nathan. Could your traveller be spreading the tar spot?? Just a thought. Take care
Is that Randy the master pipelayer?
Nope he's only 12 hours from here
How does the tar spot “propogare”?
Tile controversy in Mn? That's interesting we never had any problems getting permitted for tile projects.Must be a area thing.
The fact you need permits kinda proves my point
You don't have water sheds or water boards in your area? You can plow tile anywhere,dig new ditches anywhere,run water on adjoining land owners?Who do you talk to about water disputes town ship,county,state?
Would the problem be related to the fungicide application method? I would think that turbulence caused by the airplane speed, and open area of the lanes could cause the mist to fail to land on the plants. Inside the field, the turbulence helps it spread to more plants. Fluid dynamics is a complicated mechanism.
Out of curiosity, why did you not just plan for a 2 pass system post tassel, a lot of guys in area are doing one pass at VT and then at R3? Is it possible that the plane skipped spraying the irrigation lanes and in doing that also missed 2 or 3 rows on either side of the lane?
will that corn that had the 24 kernal around be planted in the irrigated ground next year
I'm probably not going to have irrigated corn but it could be potentially.
Hey 22K :-)
Is your corn for food or general or do you really know (ie a buyer just buys it and essentially brokers it out)
I always wondered if there was a difference between food quality corn and ethanol / high fructose corn syrup versions.
Well there's a difference between sweet corn and field corn. The vast majority of field corn, or #2 yellow dent, is used for livestock feed, ethanol, or exports. It os what gets used for corn syrup or corn meal, etc. but that's a pretty small percentage.
You have a choice between tiling every acre you farm or irrigate every acre. You choose? I know what my answer would be
Tile without hesitation
Nathan, you might tell us why your tile is white? Yet another great video.
Just the color our manufacturer makes it.
23:17 I saw that STAT about the O2 amount more than the amazon rainforest... and that is just the LAST HALF OF ITS GROWTH PERIOD or something like that, it wasn't even taking into consideration the WHOLE GROWING PERIOD~!!! if I rememmeber the stat right.... each season puts more o2 in the air than that whole looses by like 3x or 5x someone else said
would doing 2 or 3 years of wheat and beans with no corn help to kill off the tar spot in some of the fields
No they spread by spores in the wind and contact mostly
Hi Nathan. I have a Hagie and own a custom application business in Northeast Indiana. I have finished my season here and could come up and use your product on your field. I hate to see you lose any potential, and you have some big potential, in that field. I know you have the hard hose traveler in there, but I’m sure I could navigate around it. Let me know if you’re interested. Thanks!
Thanks for the offer. The problem is the pipe laying across the rows. My Hagie guy offered the same already.
@@BorderViewFarms Shoot. I thought it only laid with the rows and where it didn’t, you could go around. Just thought I would offer on the off chance your Hagie guy was unavailable. I didn’t want you to go without if I could help somehow! Thanks for the consideration!
Perhaps the tar spot issue you're dealing with is due to multiple factors. One being the lane has a larger area to collect the early morning dew hence the reason why you're seeing the tar spot more so in the lanes and on the lower levels of the corn plant leafs. Second is the density in which you planted your corn plot is hindering the lower level moisture from evaporating. You are aware as to how much a corn field perspires. Densely packed corn crops don't breathe as well. Therfore allowing for fungal growth. It's always a series of events that leads to a catastrophic failure. Should you only be irrigating your fields during the evening and night time? Being your corn plot field isn't GPS dead nuts level. Are you seeing more tar spot in the lower humps of your field? Best wishes...
Nathan, which county? It's not Lenawee is it?
I'm in SE Hillsdale County
@@BorderViewFarms Howdy 🤠 neighbor
Is it possible that the tar spot is being spread by the gun traveler ?
I doubt it
Before clay tile, they used cement tile.
Before cement tile they used wood
I had to meet my tile contractor about 40 miles west of Indianapolis around 91 or 92. He just left a farm that was drained with boards laid into a triangle. The oldest tile I have experienced was flat bottom Clay,which was discontinued in early 20’s for round clay. I have seen some octagon tile. The concrete tile will all have to be replaced. It just deteriorates with time. I’ve had to repair plastic tile for mouse holes after a very dry year. I can show you flat bottom tile that are working perfectly after closing the outlet. Tiling is some of the best money spent on a farm. Yield monitors prove it!
Cleaning outlet not closing
In western Pennsylvania they used to just fill the bottom of the ditch with field stones and the water ran through that.
@@marksmith9142 Do you know when all these acers were cleared? The oldtimers must have been struggeling whith huge trees, roots and wet soil...
Why used wood for tile, wood would not last. That is one I did not know about tile. You should tell the viewers about that, it is interesting to know.
They basically used 2 boards nailed together in an L shape placed in a trench like an inverted V. It was very primitive but effective, until the wood rotted.
I believe wood tile was used before clay or concrete, I read something on this several years ago, they would take a log cut it in half the the length of it ,then hollow it out and lay it under ground,basically a half moon with no bottom,I have also heard of a mole plow, a plow on the 3 point hitch that goes in the ground 30 inches or so with a chain attached to the bottom of it and then a steel ball on the end of the chain,when pulled thought the ground creating a tile type opening for the water to drain through,I'm thinking poor mans tiling:)
That’s what they had.