Common Misconceptions About Growing and Consuming Plants! (Part 2) - From The Stash Podcast Ep. 125
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- In this episode the FTS boys talk about common misconceptions about growing and consuming plants. This is part 2. Link to part 1: • Common Misconceptions ...
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Love the in-person vibe!
Couldn’t agree more!
Yeah it’s pretty dope 💪
DEFINITELY MAN
You're the goat my friend!
Flow is much better this way. Probably significantly less editing work too.
A great grower once said "Most plants survive despite the gardeners not because of them." Thanks for the advice fellas.
Great saying
Without the gardener plants won’t make it to harvest. Having a plentiful harvest isn’t guaranteed.
I think the white ash thing might only indicate the general moisture level, with the blacker ash resulting from incomplete combustion, perhaps due to excess water.
That sounds closer to what the cause is than drowning your grow medium. I think , also, THC % has a lot to do with it. THC is sticky stuff and not leafy plant matter that burns through easily.
In a blind taste and effects study, the people that flush preferred the weed that got the a extra two weeks worth of feedings versus the same strain same time, same environment with the flush
Damn so organic must kill it…lol
I sent he same study but that study, if it was the same one, only used two control strains. Cannabis strains are so inbreed and hybridized now you can't say what works or doesn't work with one strain won't or will work with another.
I grow autos mostly. I always grow 6-8 plants. 2 from 3 or 4 strains. I'll plant them a few weeks apart if I've never grown them. The first set will be my guinea pigs throughout the process. It's really helped me be more successful
I think it's totally wrong that most grow shops tell you that you don't need fresh in-air by an lti. They say that the windows at the bottom can be opened for that. But I think that a net filtered fresh air flow has many benefits. And I think the growworld is ready for a cal-mag / molasses / Nitrogen / Phosphorus - meter. Like stick it into the soil and know what you have to feed.🧐😉Peace, Love & Harmony! ✌🏻❤🌀
As a retired firefighter from the fire science knowledge I have but I am just a dumb fireman. The whiteness of the ash has to do with % of combustion. Solid white ash represents 100% combustion. I think the color of ash has as much to do with fuel moisture content as much as anything else. Try and burn a joint of weed that had nothing but flushing its whole life. If it at 60% fuel moisture content and you can get joint to burn it’s ash will be black representing the not very high combustion %.
the drying and curing play more of a role for getting to white ash. flushing is still necesarry for me though. at least a week.
Calcium it’s a old tobacco growing trick
@@marcosantos-p1l flushing is not necessary....thats been mythbusted so if you require a flush then you are feeding wrong
I think the best reason for flushing is to push out that salt build up in order to reuse medium
@Alex Simon what dispensary do you shop at bro? Formaldehyde and fentynal is not something your gonna find on tree from the store or from most anybody less they taxin a lil extra lol.
How true about not taking some people like everything they say is like gold. It's great you have a conversation you make like we are sitting there adding our thoughts in thanks
I flush with molasses water if want call it a flush my final 2 weeks or so before harvest I water soil with molasses water to feed them microbes and “flush out those fermented extracts
"and I got MY information from Bruce". you guys are great
Top them when they have 3 sets of leafs. You won’t have any problems.
Don’t pull leafs off and don’t spray anything on your plants.
Use bud link silica canna AB coco
Grow in coco keep your ph at 6.3
Use big bud during flower.
Flush for 1.5 weeks. Done no problems
How does a training plant topic get so deep 😂😂😂😂😂 we are weed nerds for sho😂😂😂😂😂
Definitely! I love weed-nerding-out with this channel man 😂
Last couple of runs topping on the 5/6th node or so about a month in veg hasn’t seemed to effect my plant at all…I think soil amount and time you top the plant matters also and it’s something you need to test out and experience yourself.
Did pigeons just say he uses leaves in his smoothies?
Hope he "flushes" lol
My Girlfriend uses them in her smoothie everyday..
I’ve never once flushed my plants and have had perfect white ash every time. It’s all about how well you dry & cure it. You have to put it in a dark place around 55-65% humidity and make sure you burp frequently and avoid buds from sticking. A slow proper cure allows the plants to break down the sugars & chlorophyl and preserves the terpenes.
Fermentation is a hell of a drug
Great video so far, I prefer to top just because of how simple it is. I wait until the plant is a few feet tall and then top/lolipop to quickly even out the canopy and within a few days she's ready to flip and scrog for support. Ends up looking like a candelabra with 10-15 arms lol
I like topping but when I bend her over early everything grows to the top🫡
Love this crew! Great show!
Keep up the info!! God Bless
I do low stress. I do lots of high stress. My veg time can be massive, but it's mostly in solo cups for 3+ months. Topping x2 then, super crop after that, then it's low stress in early flow and super cropping if I have to.
Love the show as always!!! Great information ℹ️ keep up the great work guys!!!
The Mr. Grow it plug @17:50 made me laugh out loud
Keep up the good work 💪 I respect you guys 💯💯. It's because of you I've been growing for the last 3 years going on 4
there is so much broscience in this field. the bacteria in the soil are borderline extremophiles. Theyre in the soil... its a pretty inhospitable environment to thrive because of all the other organisms and the elements, unless you build up a resistance to the environment, or figure out another way to get into equilibrium with the organisms and the environments. If you start burning your plants, some bacteria die off, but a lot of them have defense mechanisms and countermeasures. They've been evolving longer and WAY faster than we have.
This round I wanted to test my plants vigor/endurance/stress response. I put it through a transplant where I tore up the root zone, reveged, topped, and overwatered. Took about 8 weeks to get most of the plants to reveg while some still were throwing single bladed fan leaves when we threw them Back into flower. So far out of 20, 15 are fully recovered, 4 still looking stressed, and one hermied early early
I've got a bro science subject I've been testing.
I've been told consistently that heavy training and stress in veg can trigger herming in flower.
Now I love nothing more than bending, snapping, stripping and topping my ladies like it's my job to abuse them. Never had a herm.
This current grow, I have made it my goal to intentionally try to trigger it. I am going seed to harvest in a 2x2x4 tent so I HAVE to maintain a low canopy which I have trained heavily to do so. The underskirt of my girl looks...mean. haha. I can't even begin to explain the amount of knuckles from all the supercropping and branch snapping that happened this grow. I topped it so many times. Sometimes I topped again in a matter of days. No repair time. I just did a quick count from a picture I have and I see I think 48+ tops. lololol a monster.
And yet... I'm 50+ days into flower and I haven't found a nanner yet. I'd be interested if others have intentionally tried to trigger a herm by "overtraining" in veg.
I fully believe it would herm if I abused it during flower though. But I'll also attempt to confirm that during another grow sometime. Just wanted to see if veg training really was a concern but so far... My results are saying no.
This is only 1 plant though. So, take it with a grain of salt until I , or others, repeat this test several times.
Give it some real abuse. Stress training is for starters. Burn the apexes/young buds with a naked flame, make the light regime highly irregular, push all the environmental factors to the limits. Extreme torture will likely give you exactly what you want
@@billmarsh1971 My test is to see if it will trigger under any amount of heavy stress training. That's what I've been told and have heard for years would happen. Yet, I've personally never seen it and I feel like I train heavily. So I'm just being completely careless this time around and seeing what happens.
Literally burning the plant or doing things that it would never normally go through in an indoor grow aren't going to help me. Haha. But I bet it would piss her off!
And irregular light schedules are already highly documented that it will cause issues so I'm not questioning that one really.
I'm not "wanting" it to herm out. But I'm testing if it "will" herm out from heavy stress training.
So far, my results say no. I'll have to repeat several times though. It's been a fun one for sure. Awesome purple colors coming through right now.
EDIT: I will be trying the temperature torture another time. I currently grow in a cold ass winter and hot ass summer so I can easily hit both ends of the temperature spectrum.
Yes, over stressing can cause a Hermie response.
90 degree clips are a must here with a net also ................but I still top at least once early usually when the plant has like 4 noads
Amazing Guys!!! This chat was interesting...keep it up!
experience says white ash is smoother.
Three of a kind 👍
Big up on fixing the zoom issue
I think with the ice is to mimic the first frost some people harvest it after first frost or right before when outdoors 🤷♂️
Rob hit it right with the snobs of synthetic vs organic and I would include cultish!
I like the top twice get for great man shoots. Then I strictly LST with binder clamps and soft ties. Some get scrooged. I only utilize HST topping the first month of veg.
I like a little higher canopy. For watering purposes. Don't like to fight my plant watering it. I like a good Gap to be able to top water when I need to. About 14 to 18 in I like for a scrog from the soil.
Lollipopping is a great technique
Alright when Pigeon said "Juicing" and Rob said "Steroids." I just about spit out my drink. Keep up that humor.
Appreciate you guys giving us the knowledge
Mr. Grow It, is the current GOAT in the space.
I love getting info from everyone an im an experimenter..so i try things tell i figure out what works best for me an go with it..been growing this way for 25 year's now...take what i need from everyone i talk to an put all the info from different inputs together an dial it in for the way i grow..
I think we also need to look at how more stress could have a positive effect on terps/thc
I like to top at the 5th and then lat the new tops apart
11:40 I grow living soil in the same room with salt base soil @ the soil bugs like rove beetle @ worms both have been found in my salt soil. I didn’t move them there but they are in there
If you have black Ash put some super advanced cal mag only 500 bucks a bottle. It has got a nice picture on the front
I could buy 6 small fans from wal mart that most will probably last at least a year or more.. or 1 ac infinity fan for same price 🤔
I feel that as soon as you mess with the meristem, thats where the shock occurs. I bend and shape the plant, usually cutting off the lower branches. I just put plants too close to the light and their internodes were jammed up on one another, so i cut off all the nodes. The plant bounced back after a few hours and almost praying again. The only problem i had was placing the light too close, and they recovered way faster than they ever did after i topped them. I learned the hard way that you dont top autos. You'll never get as much of a yield because you're on two timers with auto - for veg and one for flower. If you screw up your veg, you wont get nearly as much yield. If you're growing autos, grow in supersoil with seed sprouted tea. It's saved my plants on numerous occassions and the bacteria/fungi will support the plant and act as an inoculant. Rove beetles too. I completely got rid of my fungus gnat issue by using rove beetles, triple blend nematodes, and a single solitary dusting of diatomaceous earth to kill off the last remaining adults (only use the DE after all colonies are thorougly established beyond the first few inches of soil). The rove beetles can stand it because theyre built like tanks and they know how to burrow, and only the surface nematodes would expire from this.
Cannabisbusinesstimes did a report on white ash, it’s mineral content x combustion - The Tobacco industry has already done all the leg work on this one.
Ive had 3 good dry and cures and 3 bad and in all 3 bad it was black ash, all 3 good dry and cure was white so i feel its moisture content and water activity within the buds
about to start my very first grow with a bunch of AC infinity gear and their 5x5. Hope i don't f it up
I prefer topping, i dont have the time to constantly bend down plants with nets and wire.i top the clones and then veg 10 days, put 3 x 4" cubes per slab and viola... i strip them down after 14 days in flower, it increases yields because penetration is better.
Lol you said better penetration
I love organic bud it does taste better, but if I have issues/deficiencies I use bottle nutes to correct. Microbs seem fine
Topping is totally beneficial if you use it right. Especially if your growing large plants. If you turning plants out when their only a foot n a half talk then yeah theres no point but if you want big plants with a big harvest topping is so helpful to get way more top colas instead of your plant just growing like a xmas tree. I will admit that alot of people top to early tho. If you top to early then by the time she has gotten big and gearthy and atarts getting heavy buds on it you wont have strong of a support from your stalks and can cause breakege if you dont tye and cage enough. You wanna do it once the plant has gotten to a decent size cuz once you top it it will fork so if your growing some monsters you want foot or 2 of fckn tree trunk before its spits off. Just sayin food for thought.
Topping and fimming is quite effective on small plants. It's an easy way to simulate scrog canopy.
Cut them bottoms off so you can get in there under a net normally is why and pest check etc
Im guilty of doing so much LST on my autos that it became cannabonsai 😂
I had the smarties/sixlets epiphany in college because I made some friends from Canada. Mind blowing at the time. 😂
Flushing from my observation just removes nitrogen and the color of the plants lighten up . Difference between light and dark green . Sometimes flushing them turns them purple but thats probably phosphorus deficiency and flushing to early. Anyways thats my 2 cents
Rick Ross had asked what's a terp on fsotd. It was embarrassing since he's in the industry.
Its about the cure and dry on the ash deal
I'm 7 mins in and all I can think is Chris looks really high, hasn't talked yet unless I'm too high to remember? lol - love the pods keep em coming!
White Ash is all moisture related
Speaking of heavy metals anyone ever see ash with flecks or little specks of gold in it or almost a pyrite flake but super tiny I’m in Cali
I would love to rip a few with Dr Bruce haha. Another great epi boys✌
I wash my buds from outdoors. If any reason on indoor. Works for me
There really is a lot to know. Always keep learning. I cannot keep growing when I am always think I’m the smartest person in the room.
Yo guys love the content!! Keep up the hard work. Gsc, Brucebanner, northern lights, gsc 1:1
I will teach you the way of the white Ash 💯
I use a handheld air horn to stress out my plants. Then I play a loop recording of my wife nagging voice.
I think it has something to do with the pgrs they use to grow it for the ash thing
Some of the best smoke ive tried was black ash.
in the genome what is like the 3 dimensional physical structure coding, and the specific chemical expression in points in the flower. how it sorts its differentiation, when people get fans with buds on them, has to be the half wet glove trim pulls into the base of the fan. then seeded it, if its on the fan, how dense is that inner bud you know?
In the tobacco industry the flush with cal mag or straight cal and it whitens the ash big time. So they can sell all their tobacco
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I smoked my shit I got bleach ash don’t choke goes down smooth as shit I am not a pro grower and if ur in the same boat as me who cares as long as it gets you where you need to be yes ac infinity rocks. I can’t stand people that bash on other growers help the community grow dam I have a hack grow right now what you can get for a cheap grow u guys rock. I think I’m the 60’s Israel became a state
14:00 "white ash theory" To me judging a bowl by the color of the ash is like judging a steak by how the wipe went..
Yea ok I thought the same thing but ...if you cut the top off of the not only do you get a prime clone but you get way better yield ..the first time I saw it I was like oh no what the ....but then I did it and wow it is right snip it one cut three sets of leaves down ...it is tht best way and of youndont think so you just doing it wrong it's one snip with scissors as soon as they peep up over the net ..trellis ...
i organically grow because its so much easier. topdress 1ce a month and water. love what i had with fox farms too, but the time involved is way more intense.
So your topic would suggest Miracle Grow would be fine then with the amount of nutrients at harvest. How's it any different really. I feel if it's not mother nature providing it, it's not natural is all. I try to replicate mother nature.
ill top my plants a bunch of times, i am vegging for a couple months but i also have everyting staged so that plant is going into the flower tent after my last run is done.
also, flushing may not be necessary but ive never understood why you would keep feeding your plant right up until the end, there should be enough residual nutrients in the soil you dont need to. sorry not sorry but rockets/smarties are fucking awesome.
I wonder if farmers flush their tomatoes and strawberries before picking them...smh. By the way, great work with the audio on this podcast.
SPREES ARE THE BEST
I just keep it simple in my weed turns out fire
When i fast dryed like 4 days and jared i burped but waited till i had to paper bag it to fix it i got black ash
I tried 3 runs starting 2 yrs ago and used humboldt secret nutrients based on your guys recommendation at the time. I got decent looking flowers but always had black ash and similar unsavory flavored smoke each time. I lost interest after that. I’ve seen similar posts by people saying they had same results with that nute line. Thinking about trying again but it’s cheaper to just buy decent flower in my area
Been fighting the "flushing" nonsense for decades.
An idea- Best natural pgr products 😂 chitosan, tria , cytokinins , brassinosteroids. Also pgrp products, types of bacteria as in nsb, psb, ksb.. pnsb , LABS. Biofertilizers as well, literally been reading over Agrothrive predigested organic nutrients & aminos.
I've heard about electro culture and seems like it's 50% bull 50% proven. Thoughts?
I have thai sativa landrace that's been hanging in a room at our farm without temperature control in Thailand that smells the same today as it did when it got hunged there in the middle of November.
But I lose terpines from most hybrids after a couple of months in the bedroom with ~10h/day air conditioning at 20 degrees Celsius 🤔🧐🤯
How does a "conservative/anti drug" state like utah have a university that does so much research with growing cannabis?
There needs to be a reddit thread just for people who keep asking how long until harvest when the plant just sprouted 3 mins ago 😂.
Take a hit every time someone says misconception
if you look behind Chris, it looks like From the ash... not saying it's white or black. LOL
I thought it was the chemicals in the plant burning.
If we look at how tobacco is cured and dried we actually do the opposite. Tobacco is cured then dried.
Speaking of Israel 1948, what are your thoughts on the fig tree generation?
Its simple to differentiate hst and lst. Hst harms the plant physically, lst does not. Yw
Experimented years ago running dwc with powdered nutes with microbes and silica and have never had better harvests . So, through personal experimentation Ive successfully found you can mix synthetics with organics and have top shelf success. And all this I found a few years before people started saying what I already knew, first hand. And still I get shit . But its usually from a completely inexperienced person. I Dont get it....
I wonder what the plant has inside of it like test the buds in a lab to see the difference in the compounds in the buds between flushed and not idk I feel the plant takes the nutrients in and turns them into sugars for energy so the plant can grow so it’s hard to believe that’s there’s any fertilizers in the plant heavy metals and stuff maybe but I’m no scientist 😅
I always assumed the ash theory came from cigar smokers. They don’t ash the cigars. And they say the longer the ash the holds together the better the cure was. Idk tho
Damb. I can't believe Rob called those things trichomes.
Those are called crystals, lol😅
Crystals are trichomes. Read some books lol
The biggest misconception for me is the area I live in. The misconception is with the man. Consumption is legal and cultivation is a felony 😢. Buuutt, yall got your shit together. Always informative and always nice to hear different points of view. Thumbs up
My plants I don’t touch have stinkier Trichome production
Yes🇬🇧🌱
i should run yeast and sugar like algae, in the water bottles.
still run algae to the root zone instead of bubble stones, just splits.
with lower level less efficient lights.