The Amazing E-Bike That Makes You Feel Bionic! Tenways CGO600 Pro
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- Jack tests the new Tenways CGO600 Pro, a refreshingly simple e-bike which punches well above its weight. Have we found the ideal commuter bike?
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As a recent convert to e-bikes - I was gifted one for my 60th birthday - I find 15 mph is about the speed I want to be traveling most of the time. That said, on roads where I'm competing with vehicle traffic, I'm glad I can bump it up to 20 mph. Even that can feel slow on some of the roads around here, but it certainly feels safer than 10 or 15.
The biggest thing for me was just the ability to cycle again. My knees are finished... my hips and ankles aren't much better, so cycling was over for me and had been for several years. I'm glad that I'm back on a bike again and getting at least some aerobic exercise.
nitpick: single-speed ain't a fixie.
Other than that, this is a lovely video about a lovely bike
What he said
A 'fixie' has no free-wheel - you HAVE to keep pedalling, but you can use the pedals as brakes.
@@JamesScholesUK you can’t freewheel a fixie.
@@antoniopalmero4063 literally the point I'm making
@@JamesScholesUK yes indeed
Yes, we should have faster e-bikes. 20mph would significantly increase the useful radius of travel and most folk can do that speed without electric assist when going downhill anyway. The highest downhill speed I have clocked on a bicycle was 28, that was maybe pushing it a bit. If I can comfortably coast downhill at 20 I don't see any reason why there should be a restriction on powering up a hill at the same speed.
Just get a scooter or a moped, that should suit your requirements 😊
@@WoolyChewbakker you can't legally ride an e-scooter, so that's out.
@@WoolyChewbakker As soon as your e-device will go more than 15.5 (I thought it was 16.something actually) mph, you need insurance, helmets and driving licences to operate it. Oh, and be 16(?) or over.
You can go as fast as you like on an E-Bike, you just have to do the pedalling yourself if you want to go faster than 15mph - I'm fine with that. The problem with allowing faster speeds on electric assist is that there are inconsiderate users out there who would put pedestrians at risk on mixed use paths when using that extra speed. So the maximum permitted speed with assist is a balance, and I think the current limit is about right.
@@jonevansauthor . I was referring to a motor scooter (like those ridden by mods).
I had a Tenways, but I had to get off and push the bike up almost every hill, so I don't have it anymore !
That bike illustrates the one thing I don't like about most bikes. You have to lean forward on your arms, which gets tiring, and puts pressure on your lower back. It also restricts your visual area, . If they would make more of them semi-recumbent, with the pedals pushed forward and the handlebars raised a little, the rider could sit completely upright, limiting pressure on the spine and arms.
Jack IS rather tall, so probably he had the seat up as far as it would go.
I keep thinking about a bike like that. I'd call it a recliner. I think there is a need for research into such a design.
The seating position on these also creates the most drag, which is the a far greater issue than weight etc.
@@snowstrobethey are called recumbents. There are plenty of designs out there if you care to look, I have one in my shed😀
If you look at some of the hybrid bikes, they’re retro styled with that more upright seating position
@@neilmarshall2315 I'm completely aware of what they're called. Recumbents go back too far, that's why i don't use the word for what I want.
Exactly That..! Raise the speed limit to 20 mph to match the traffic.. That sounds to me the ultimate answer for safer cycling, genius young man 👍🏻
This looked really good until you mentioned not going up hills. I live in a very hilly area so need one to go up hills.
Any recommendations?
Yeah get a bike with gears, I have a Himo ZB20 max which has a hub motor and 6 gears and it climbs hills very well.
I live in a hilly area. Hub motors lose power and efficiency on the hills (vs. mid-drive). Single-speed efficiency is less than geared bike efficiency too. So this would be a heck no for me.
For me, an E-Bike still has to work as a bicycle when the battery is flat, so you can still use it on longer trips. This one clearly doesn't, without any gears, so you are in trouble as soon as you come to a hill, as Jack very clearly demonstrated.
I have the older version. I've done 12000 km by now. Nothing bad to report. It's a good bike, although not the best for climbing.
By older version, do you mean the one that got stolen from him? Just kidding.
@@Mr.N0.0ne One similar yes 😀 👍🏼
Exactly! I think this all the time when riding my e-bike. They'd never restrict cars the same way, even though with newer cars I'm sure they could! 6:22
EVs are often speed-restricted.
With new cars they are!
All new cars are restricted. Most could travel far faster than the official speed they have.
@@hughmarcus1 But not restricted to doing 20mph in a 20mph zone. "Restricting" a car to a top speed of ~140mph isn't really a restriction if it's double the legal speed limit (ie Porsche Taycan)
@@antcooper There are still Autobahns in Germany which are technically unrestricted - but I'm not aware of any main manufacturer car built since the early 2000s or before, that's not limited to 155mph. Some "boutique" cars seem to not have that limit, and some are only limited in their highest gear (and in some cases can exceed 155mph in a lower gear).
The fact it could barely get up one of the least steep hills in Bath suggest this has limited use. There are 1 in 4 hills in Bath that I can not get up on my road bike in 1st gear.
Sometimes this channel just seems like one of those _shopping networks_ channels on TV.
So it isn't just me.
There used to be a Fully Charged Plus which was honest about the product placement of the stuff they reviewed.
Now they just do it without saying so.
In my view it’s damaged their reputation.
I rarely watch now. Only reason I watched this was because I’m about to buy an E-bike.
Don't agree with this. This video has pros and cons to the bike. They do need to review actual products on the market...
@@harrismedwell2386 Yes but they also need to be clear about whether they’re receiving any payments to review or highlight a product
Torque sensor is kind of standard for pedal assist.
Integrated lights are great until they break. I've got a fancy one integrated into the handlebar which didn't last long. No gears is a bad idea, it's not great for longevity of components if you go high torque too much.
I wonder if there are simple three speed hub gears that are compatible with the belt drive, unless the motor is in the rear hub.
No, it isn't 'standard': it is more common to have a Hall Effect sensor on the crank to measure rotation speed. The motor is in the rear hub.
Torque sensors are kind of standard on mid drives, not hub motors (pedal assist or otherwise). A single speed gives you less torque at the rear wheel, not more (unless your lowest ratio is the same as this single one and all of the rest are higher). Hub gears generally cannot take the torque from a mid drive motor plus rider.
The belt isn't the problem. I have 8 speeds with mine.
This manufacturer just wanted to simplify and thus left out the gearhub.
Removes some weight and cost and there's a market for single-speed and fixies.
I love the amusing delivery! Well done! I have no problem with allowing ebikes everywhere to go 28 mph (level 3, I believe). The rider can determine what feels safe for them.
I have the exact same model in the exact same color, and I LOVE IT
You mention the Nm of torque. It's important to note that with hub-motor e-bikes it's not an especially useful stat. Unlike mid-drive e-bikes where torque is measured at the crank, it's calculated at the ground with a hub-motor bike. So it's hardly an apples-to-apples comparison, even from one hub-motor bike to the next (especially when the wheel sizes aren't the same).
If everyone is riding with a helmet and lights, then go ahead and increase the assist speed. Or just bypass the limiter, be visible and wear a helmet.
Great review, can't beat a belt drive
Great review we’ll put across and I agree 20 mph would be a more realistic limit
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
the 15 mph is meant for e-bikes to blend in with normal bikes, if they go faster the risk of traffic accidents with other bikers increases, especially on bike paths. In the Netherlands, we can get e-bikes that go faster (up to 25 mph/40 kph) but then they can't make use of bike paths, they have to wear a helmet, they need a license plate and insurance and the rider needs a moped drivers licence. In short they have to follow all rules and regulations of a moped because they go as fast as a moped.
Still ridiculous
I go faster than 15mph on my peddle bike and I’d feel unsafe being limited.
@@lpil Yes, at least when I was a young man my normal going somewhere speed was more like 30MPH. Today something like 50 years later, a hours ride will still cover 10 miles.
I maybe unique but I can slow down when approaching an object or slower bike. It’s called using your eyes and applying the brakes. I don’t need a law to tell me to be sensible.
@@althomas7937I don't know why but suddenly guns come to mind
Needs two more levels of assistance for really tough hills and a speed of 20mph 100%. Especially when you are in a city where you have no or limited cars.
A commuter bike designed for london where there are no real hills. Now if version 2 came as long with in hub gears I would consider one of those.
which would be difficult as the motor is in the hub, and not even SunRace have had a go at integrating a mechanical gearbox with an electric motor in a hub (tho' I wouldn't put it past them, but their non Sturmey-Archer derived geartrain designs are garbage).
You been to Muswell Hill?
@@jsanders100 I was thinking that I've seen some pretty spectacular views across London from the hills of Dulwich if there aren't, in fact, any hills. I mean, lots of it is flatter, but that's fairly common next to you know, rivers...
no gears so why the hub on rear wheel? Also change the sprocket may get 20mph then. Did this on my Kalkoff.
Hub motor is cheaper and lighter.
Sprocket change doesn't affect assist speed on a hub motor -- the hub is downstream of the sprocket.
Yes we should have the equivalent of a class 2 Ebike they ride in the US and Canada up to 500 watts and 20Mph limit with a throttle for the times you don't want to pedal.
Ireland now has a new class of e-bikes which they call e-mopeds, up to 4000 watts, 45km/h and throttle allowed. However they require a driving license, insurance and can’t be used on cycle paths.
We do - it's called an e-moped and there are plenty you can buy. But you can't share the cycle infrastructure, and need tax, insurance and a crash-hat.
There has to be a line drawn between 'cycle' and 'moped/motorbike' somewhere. 15 miles an hour is about right, when almost all cycle traffic does 10-12 mph. You _can_ go faster, but you'll have to be fit and competent.
Perhaps there is room for letting some mopeds into the wider/faster segregated cycle infrastructure, as they do in the Netherlands, but there is so little that is both wide and segregated in the UK there really aren;t that many places that are suitable for moped-mixing.
@@bk99911 So, they're e-mopeds, exactly the same as in the UK and the EU.
Agree first two points, don't need a throttle.
@@xxwookey An e-moped is not the same as an American class 2 e-bike withe regards to power, speed or weight. However, I agree a line has to be drawn to distinguish between an electrically ASSISTED bike and a motor vehicle. Most 250W bikes could give assist to 20mph, which I feel would be beneficial. Many faster riders of push bikes are going at way over 12mph in cycle lanes with no problems to slower riders.
Whatever happens in the future, we need to consider the welfare of all road users, and any de-restriction of e-bikes should be done with caution.
Another bonus of the belt drive (I've had one for a bit) ... it's a bit more torquey ... y'know?
I use a Swytch conversion kit on a regular old Decathlon mountain bike and 40 Newton metres of torque is plenty when you do have gears but if it won't get you up a hill without then that seems like a problem. Secondly if they allowed regulated pedal assist up to 20 mph, which is a perfectly normal cycling speed, we might find far fewer cowboy conversions going much faster!
You can achieve 20mph by just cycling more/harder. Ignore the power assistance limit. Am interesting, but would prefer a step-through but with about that weight.
Tenways has two step-thru's but they're heavier. To some extent this is inherent, as the weaker frame geometry requires more material. But theirs also have shock forks.
No one talking about that horrific headset creaking!
Or stem, or BB. Hard to say.
That would drive me nuts! lol
When are you guys coming to South Africa with the all electric show?
I'd like indicators, rear break light
Bought my dad a 20'' foldable chinese ebike for 560€ (250W motor) back in the day. That maniac made 80,000 kilometers on it. Original battery still has above 80% capacity. Got a second one with more Ah. Only things changed - tires, brakes and lightbulbs and one resistor from the controller...because one should seal the casing with silicone to keep the space dry where the controllercase is in. Even the brakes- and the gear shift cables are still original.
What brand and model was this?
Looks like CST have gone out of their way to make tyres that look like Schwalbe’s, and the bike sounded very creaky on that hill! I have a Fiido C21, not dissimilar in design, but I’d suggest it’s way better and of course it’s 2/3 the cost 🚴♂️
Victoria Park. Bath. Great location. Great City🎉
But surrounded by hills
can we have a round of applause for Jack. . . .he made it through a whole video without having a dig at Tesla/Elon 👏👏👏👏👏👏
... and somehow you think this is a good thing. Elon is a big boy. He take take a few.
@@kensmith5694 last I checked he was a spoiled man-baby who 100% can't, but that's no reason for Jack to stop 😉
Thanks
Not much use for me, where I live in Devon I am surrounded by 12%+ hills. My volt infinity just about copes with them and me as a heavier & older rider, but I’d love a more powerful motor especially towards the end of a longer ride. Not too bothered about the top speed being increased, but please let us have more powerful motors perhaps with the higher rating associated with context like a gradient about 8% or on a geolocated road with a speed limit above 30mph and without a cycle lane. Could even factor in weather conditions and only allow higher power in appropriate weather conditions.
They really should add some method of doing a gear shift. Even just two fairly widely spaced gears would do it. Nobody is going to be too bothered about a top speed of 10MPH on an up hill.
In the US, they also limit -bikes too low.
1) Back when I was about 18, I rode a bike a lot and a normal speed was more like 30MPH going somewhere. I had someone pace me in a car once and I was able to get up to 45MPH maximum. An E-bike that can't do what I used to be able to on my own seems a bad idea.
2) Riding a bike at 30MPH along many roads you will still have cars passing you at quite a speed difference. Speed limits only apply when there is a cop watching you.
So, You rode faster than the Tour de France peleton back in the day did you?
@@nickwinn7812 Yes but not anything like all day like the Tour de France race would require. Back then, I was quite fit.
Tech wise that's very like the old Gtech e-bike, which I had as a good commuter option :)
@6:26... GAH! That front quick release lever is just begging to get snagged on something. Agree w other comments. Needs at least a few gears courtesy of an internal geared hub.
THE MOTOR IS IN THE REAR HUB
Nice city cruiser, however the main problem of cycling in any UK city is amplified in this. You can't leave your bike unattended for any length of time - instant theft - just not worth the risk. There's too much of a market for pinched bikes out there for them not to be targeted.
Having said that, would love to see some coverage of some of the more high-end ebikes from established bike manufacturers - go up some hills in your lycra on a Trek or Specialized ebike!
It's not a fixie. You can back pedal. It's a single speed. I have the CGO800S. Brilliant bike.
Nice to see a fully UK road legal E-bike for once! 20 mph is a reasonable limit to be fair…
We will never sell ebikes to the UK public until we go to 20 mph. Fifteen is only ok on seperated bike infrastructure which we don't have
where can i buy this in the UK
100% agree on the speed limit shit.
This bike has been near the top of the list for awhle now, the torque sensor and removable batt being 2 of my essentials. Only issue is I live in hilly Bristol. I think I'll go with one with continuum gears (that's what I call them).
Only e-bike I've seen with the Enviolo hub were the Mercedes ones. Very heavy and expensive. You know of others?
@@concinnus Ah thx, didn't know about that. But yeah, not surprised.
Beautiful bike, but this review nails the drawbacks. I was just out on my U.S. class 3 ebike with a top speed of 28 mph, riding in traffic on a hilly and winding city through-road with one lane in each direction and no bike lanes. I easily kept up with vehicle traffic up and down hills, slowing down for traffic or lights, and turning quickly at the same pace as cars. Not everyone wants to ride like this, but it makes the case for a class 3 ebike with a 28 mph top speed, even if it weighs in at 64 lbs. and costs twice as much. But maybe I need two types of ebikes. Btw, very poor technical description of the CGO600 Pro is on their website. There are other ebike options that are very close competitors and a little less expensive.
Can you "simply" charge with USB_C cable, or you need "a special" device.
2:38 You could make it simpler by getting rid of that ridiculous, heavy (2-3 x the weight of a fixed stem) and creak-prone (something's creaking from 5:20 onwards and I'll bet it's the stem) adjustable stem (which are a pain in the date to adjust, anyway), and fitting the correctly-sized conventional one for the main rider when the bike is purchased. How many times have I had to diagnose, then pull these apart, grease them, and put them back together (repeatedly on the same bike)? Many times.
I realise it might be heavier, I find it hard to believe it's more of an issue than whether or not I'm carrying my power bank, or how fat I am though. If you could halve the weight of the bike for the same spec, cool, but unless we're talking multiple kilos I don't think this matters for rational, normal people who use bikes normally.
The weight that is - if it's functionally useless, that's a better argument than the weight.
So its no good if you live in a hilly town like Harrogate - just where you need assistance. With all the pot holes everywhere you probably want spring suspension on the front at least.
Yes please, higher top speed. On a regular bike I'm sometimes doing 45kph, so 25kph is quite slow really. Also I'm a bit of a big boy and it's very hilly where I live, so I would appreciate some more power, maybe 500 W instead of just 250.
An ideal commuter bike would have the. 9 or 11 speed drive hub, belt drive, tyres designed for mixed surfaces.. weight kept to the minimum but mud guards needed. Lights that are easily bolted on but not integrated.. no need for dynamo as LED lasts for ages before recharge.. Proper quality bell, a choice of 2 saddles types designed for real comfort ( one for ladies and one for guys)... Bolts for panniers if required - as a minimum a rear panier.. handle bars with careful thought to form and comfortable grips. Frame design for comfort but not too much 'sit up and beg'..
No electricity, no heavy batteries or motors are needed..
It should all be about quality and efficiency.... If it could get under 12kg great.. At 10kg perfect...
I’m a big fan of yours
💜💜💜
🙋♂️JACK,😊WHEN I WAS YOUNG, THIS WOULD’VE BEEN A PERFECT BIKE FOR ME 🤗💚💚💚
how much?
I wonder if they could make these bikes less desirable to steal by using the electronics to program them not to work if you didn’t have a key or code. Or does this already exist?
Looking at the e-bikes I see around this city, they go a good sight faster than 15.5 mph. They are travelling faster than the 20 mph speed limit in some cases. Years ago, I used to cycle at 30 mph on open roads without too much effort, so I can understand the safety of being able to keep up with town traffic. 30 kph / 19 mph would be a much more sensible top speed, so long as the speeds are policed properly. Allowing for 'speedo error', that would limit e-bikes to a reasonably safe genuine 20 mph.
Jack, earn yourself some more Likes, and use a more polite word than a#5e. It's very offensive to some of us. Bottom, behind, seat or bum would be much more acceptable alternatives in what is, after all, a family show. Thanks.
Why does it creak ?
I hope that was Jack's knees!
Likely the bottom bracket or stem.
An e-bike that can't cope with hills sounds pretty pointless. I think some people might ride it around a car park and be impressed by the pick up, but it has a claimed range of 100km. If you are riding on the flat, a regular hybrid bike would be much lighter and just as easy once you get moving. Before buying a bike like this I would like to compare it to a modern hybrid bike over your regular commute. People whose last bike was an old clunker will feel like superman on a lighter, more efficient modern bike, and having gears helps you deal with hills. I appreciate that e-bikes are the solution for some people but this particular one seems to be electric just for the sake of it, Electric cars, cargo bikes and bikes that can practically be used for commuting are removing fossil fuel-burning vehicles from the road. This one, might get people cycling again, but I think a lot of them would be better off with either an acoustic bike or an e-bike that can offer more assistance on the hills.
I would still want hub gears, even 3 speed would be fine, for this price. I also believe that getting assistance up to 20mph should be standard. Lower speeds are fine on isolated cycle routes but, on most urban roads, 20mph is the speed that cars are travelling at. Any slower and you're an obstruction and have to put up with questionable overtakes.
Can i ride up a hill with this bike more easily? Especially when it has a kidstrailer?
More reviews with Jack's legs please! 😍🤣
Poor Jack clearly isn't a cyclist. This isn't a fixie, it's a single-speed. Fixie's you can't free wheel and are not advised for riding on the public road.
No, Jack isn't a cyclist. He's just someone who rides bikes.
@@tconnolly9820sorry? Fixies are very trendy in Melbourne not advised for public roads?
@@rickybryan1759 they are lethal around corners if you miss time the turn of the pedals. They are meant for track cycling and that is where they should stay!
@@ryannowell3802 that makes me think of Cartman doing Nascar. I turn left, then I turn left again! But thankfully, I couldn't care less about bikes without gears, I gave those up after my first BMX clone. They are silly things.
Er, fixie...!?!?
I go at 23 - 30 mph comfortably (not as in my fitness, but speed that I'm happy at)
Can’t agree more with the speed limit thing. My motorcycle and car aren’t limited so why my e-bike? If you’re worried about safety then enforce crash helmets (I wear one) and cycle proficiency tests (I passed mine).
Anybody got any experience with maintenance? Cause I had a vanmoof and my local bike repair man basically laughed in my face and told me to go elsewhere...
Having the gearing to get to 20 or 25 mph would be great and safer to move with car traffic, but you need gears. I prefer internal hub gears. Being able to get up to these speeds or get up and over steep hills would be great, but that means bigger motors. For range, big motor means big battery. And eventually, you find yourself in an EV SUV. 😂
I don’t live in the UK now. The idea of limiting the speed of my e-bike to 15mph would be absurd. Come on Britain, drop the red flag and let progress progress!
You can get a faster eBike but it then has to be licensed and isn't allowed on cycle paths.
Living at 500ft I am glad you mentioned that it is crap up hills.
Plenty of other e-bikes with gears.
Bath - a city most unsuitable for a bike that can't cope with hills, unless all you want to do is commute to Bristol on the bike path .
Great bike for flat cities. Toss in some 8% hills and you are gonna be pushing that thing up them. Just sayin. (I live in a relatively flat city, but the hill to my house hits 11%).
Where's your helmet?
ain't no reason I can see why a simple e-bike shouldn't have a SRAM two-speed automatic transmisson. There used to be a German company that made exactly such e-bikes: simple, inexpensive, with a slow gear for starting and for steep hills, and a cruising gear.
As others have said, this is not a fixie.
I think 20mph would be an improvement for ebikes in general. Plus if they are rubbish at hills, what would they be like if loaded up with panniers etc for doing the shopping. I want a bike that can do 20 when carrying luggage, so more power is needed.
Sounds like you want a moped. They're readily available now.
The electric bike market is getting just too crowded and companies going out of business just too quickly
I am terrified of spending a couple of thousand on an E-bike and getting it stolen :/
On a hillside, desolate
Except air the filled tires that still haven't changed and that is why I will not consider an eBike even though I would prefer one than my current eScooter which doesn't have air filled tires. When eBikes come with non air filled tires from companies like The SMART Tire Company and Bridgestone's non-pneumatic tire technology because I will never have to fix a tire puncture ever again, it simply isn't gonna happen.
and yes I do agree personal mobility vehicles like eBikes should be able to go 20mph in the UK.
I only have a few minor gripes about e-bikes...
Seats much too small - no backrest..
...not enough wheels ...
... complete lack of side panels, windows...roof!!
... absolutely zero boot space....
...and, worst of all..all that effort you have to put into making them GO anywhere ..
... otherwise, GREAT idea.....!!!
I'd love a moped's electric ressurection, so that we have a once again an intermideate step between bikes and motorbike/motorcycle, where you'd need a basic driving licence to ride something that's much heavier than a conventional bike, yet not as fast and powerful as even a small motorbike/motorcycle. There are people far smarter than me, who could weight in on the deliniations, but the old ICE-era rules were getting outdated even before the dawn of the EV era and there are certainly 2-wheeled EVs with or without pedals that don't belong on a bike path...
A removable battery is a feature that almost every e-bike has, and probably shouldn't even be remarked upon unless it (for some insane reason) doesn't have that feature.
Their discontinued, entry-level bike did not. It's cheaper, lighter, stronger, and less obviously an e-bike (thus less of a theft target).
Unfortunately some brands are selling top-end ebikes that have non-removable batteries. Check the premium TQ motor ebikes. They claim the frame stiffness, but I'd rather have another half a kilo of material for the stiffness than carry the whole bike 2 floors up to be able to charge it in my apartment, rather its 2-3 kg battery.
@@SonnyDarvish The customer base willing to pay $6k+ (going by Trek's examples), but who would rather park that pricey bike on the street to charge presumably overnight, and who'd accept a 500g penalty for this convenience, is not a sizable market. In the US, having that money to spend but specifically living in a walk-up is unlikely on its own. With my $1300, 16kg ebike, even if its battery were removable I'd still carry the whole bike up to the 3rd floor all the time, plus groceries. Anyway, there will always be removable battery ebikes, they're maybe just less prevalent at the high end.
Belts are less efficient, than chains. Also, gears are very important. Having a torque sensor makes sense, but what you really should have, is an angle sensor! One that can tell if you're going up a hill, and give you enough assist so that it's as if it wasn't a hill, and not a single bit more (maybe less, if it's already at top capacity, but never more) ...and not allow you to get any assist, aside from that. That would be the ideal e-bike. (other than for the elderly and disabled)
"Belts are less efficient, than chains" - only by a tiny amount. A well set up belt on a bike should be indistinguishable to the rider compared to a well set up chain.
@@theelectricmonk3909 Only a tiny amount? Are you suggesting that the benefits are greater, than the inefficiency? ...and how they are more expensive, difficult/impossible to repair/maintain (you can fix a chain, by yourself, even on the field. With a belt... forget it!), more difficult to get spare parts for...
@@theelectricmonk3909 Granted, depending on your needs/use/priorities, a belt drive can be the better choice. But any suggestion that it isn't a special thing, that has it's drawbacks, that there aren't many and good reasons, why chains are standard, that chains aren't what's best for most people, is preposterous.
@@ZarlanTheGreen I'm not "suggesting" anything - merely pointing out that the efficiency difference is not very big, and probably not that noticable to your average rider.
I couldn't comment on any other aspect of a belt drive bike, as I've never ridden one. Please don't try to put words in my mouth for me.
@@theelectricmonk3909 Fair enough. I apologise for reading too much into your comment.
Cadence sensors suck...
If only you could buy them outside of Europe 😢
It's not assist. You don't have to pedal.
25km/h (which Jack's imperial measurement translates to) is a perfectly sensible top speed, for e-bikes. That's a fast speed, on a regular bike. Most people can't/won't maintain a speed above that, on a regular bike. And e-bikes shouldn't be able to go above the (non-rare) speeds of a bike. Not without being classed as a different type of vehicle. (mind you, I'd argue that most, if not all, existing e-bikes, should already be classified differently)
It wouldn't hurt to give them their own classification perhaps, but they should still stick to basically all the same rules. And don't forget, you can cycle them at any speed you can reach that's legal for all road users. The motor just can't get you that extra way but having had it's assistance very easily will once you get fit enough.
Actually there's nothing stopping an e-bike hitting 20, 25 or 30 (or maybe more) MPH, if the rider is capable of it. You lose electric assistance above 16ish mph. I can cheerfully do 20-25mph on mine down one of the local hills. I tend not to, because I'm rarely in that much of a rush, and because I'm a big girl's blouse when it comes to high speed on two wheels...
@@theelectricmonk3909 Obviously I'm talking about how *_the motor_* shouldn't go above what a regular bike does. You typically can't maintain anything above 25km/h (that's 16ish mph), on a regular bike, unless you're going downhill. Thus the motor shouldn't be allowed to assist, beyond that speed.
20 miles an hour is a perfectly regular cycling speed for a proper cyclists not that I am one but it would be safer to keep up with traffic
@@Hyfly13 Given that those "proper cyclists" are a tiny minority, that doesn't really matter. If anything, they should be the ones to drop their speed, to match the rest.
Strange, I don't think I've seen a single Deliveroo rider going at *less* than 20 mph (and often on the pavement). Clearly, nobody who wants a proper tool for the job wants to be (or will accept being) limited to granny speeds on their e-bikes. Setting such a slow limit severely limits the appeal of spending £1800 on this bike, which is supposed to be "good value"!
OMG, you had a short term test bike nicked? We need a plan for securing e-bikes reliably. Thanks for spending time on EES spotlighting e-bikes. Let's do a deep dive with a climate scientist, a sustainable transportation academic, and challenge the notion of just how scalable full sized EVs (4 seat cars/SUVs/Pickups) are? Unfortunately, we compare EVs to ICE to show they are better, without testing the feasibility of continuing to be a car culture where 17-39 ton CO2e production emissions are excused as possible under zero carbon emissions. Trams, trains, e-bikes, micromobility, and walking folks. That's about all we can afford with zero carbon, not personal EVs or robotaxis.
€1800 doesn't seem very cheap to me
Someone’s been playing around with AI images and grog! Lol
Jack carefully avoids saying how much, what it weighs, or how far it will go! Does it have a back light, or was that just a red reflector?
Motorists need educating to NOT push bicycles off the road.
£1500 , not too bad .
£1900
@@jsanders100 They're always on sale, at least in the US.
I agree e bikes should be able to get up to 20mph. It's much better I'm your doing long distances
bike's creaking a bit, innit?
Luvly tats
Hard disagree. (Jack’s mum).
Even 20mph is too slow. We should have assist to at least 30mph. You are a sitting duck on many roads at anything slower. We also need enough power to maintain 30mph on steep hills, including cargo bikes. Anyone that thinks this will cause more accidents, is looking at this all wrong. ie more practical e-bikes/cargo bikes means less cars and vans on our streets, therefore safer. You can travel considerably faster than 30mph on a regular bike (if you are fit), so 30mph is perfectly reasonable.
😂 it looks silly tiny under you. Do they make any in adult sizes? (I am also a grown man)
Cycling up a slope at 15.5 mph on my pedelec is legal. Cycling down the slope at 25mph is illegal. The law is stupid. Now that we are no longer in the EU, there is no no reason to comply with this law.
Torque sensor. What utter bollocks. 3.