Illegal forex trading strategy that some are still using. Would you?
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Would you use this illegal intraday trading strategy with huge profit potential?
Many of us are looking for a holy grail of trading; could that forbidden by your broker strategy be an answer to huge profits? Is it too good to be true, or is there a way of using the idea to become a successful trader and make an online income a source of living?
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Congrats! 👍🏻You must be quite skilled to be engaging in such trades.
There’s definitely a psychological aspect to it. I’ve been dabbling with forex for about twelve months or so, but I have my losses outweighing my gains.
Technical analysis is a scam this is the only trading style that has made a lot of fx traders rich if you don't know
take it or leave it
Here is PART TWO th-cam.com/video/f2OKrlgo1qo/w-d-xo.html with simulation of a trade using this strategy. Watch it to understand it better.
I forgot to mention that this strategy is very often used at the close of the Friday market before the weekend with a big news like presidential election etc. You open both trades seconds before the market closes and it will open with a big gap on Monday because of the news. If the gap is bigger then you margin on loosing trade you will be in nice profit. Problem when it's not and the spread is big on Monday opening too. Overall I don't recommend this style of trading unless you tested it well and know that you have an edge.
Thank you for guiding
incredible all that we have to learn ! ! !
But, I wonder, knowing all that you know, finally are you filthy rich? Your anwser might be yes, right?
Hello Rafal... I wnat to personaly talk to you
@@tunanmahmud2401 drop me e-mail info@rafalzuchowicz.com
Thank you for sharing.🙌
Any time. 🙌🏻
Here is a nearly equivalent alternative, which is simpler, and definitely legal: Wait with any buy until after 33 pips move in either direction, then buy to continue in same direction. Also set a stop loss at the origin which will lose $100 if triggered.
Thank you for the great idea boss
The problem with this strategy is that you may lose both accounts. Very often (right after news release) we see big price spike within milliseconds then price will go in opposite direction. Ar the end your both accounts are blown...
Sure, that's why I don't really recommend this type of trading. It's safer to use this strategy for a weekend gap when expected big news like presidential election.
That spike is called liquidity hunt
Those spikes don't happen on synthetic/Volatility index so you may be pretty safe there... Just that the price hardly goes one direction
My English poor to understand this method ,it mean that you open orders both side in the weekend with small amount ,thanks
@@RafalZuchowicz but I saw when the market is opening at Monday the spread is high, so it is actually worth?
Great Video Mr. Zuchowicz!
This is basically what is called a ´straddle´ - betting on both sides of the market then closing the losing trade. You are hoping, praying, that the market will continue in the same direction as the still open trade.
Absolutely no guarantee that it will. The market reverses and you have lost both positions
Fact: without inside information, no one knows which way the market will go.
Sure, that's why I don't really recommend this type of trading. It's safer to use this strategy for a weekend gap when expected big news like presidential election.
You mean opening 2 trades buy and sell at the same time.
@@nahweravean8731 Yes, that is a straddle.
if we use trailing sl , it will help .if we use trailing stop in profitable account . it secures our account
Thank you, very clever
Ok, you lost $100 on your Broker 1. Then when your broker 2 makes $100.10 you close your Broker 2. If you don't do that it can reverse and lose on both brokers
I believe he said HIGH impact news, which means it will go really long or really short
Smart way of doing it. What makes it work as to open two trades in opposite direction in one account with stop loss is the slipage. But since you are on margin call, account will stop automatically not worrying about slipage.
Exactly!
How is that a crime?
Basically Hedging, not illegal, just some brokers doesn't allow that.
There is nothing illegal about it....
Only in USA.
Is any problem to take sell and buy in same account in same currency pair
I guess question is about hedging 2 trades at different brokers. Brocker 1 is that pays greatest swap, another one is swap free or islamic account. Need to be open when spreads are low, and closed when spread get back to low.
Your scenario may be traded on 2 stop orders and one broker. Nothing illegal about it. But still you risk that both trades will go on loose if price movement will revers that happens very often (tp/SLs triggering opposit transactions).
It's not illegal to have an account with two different brokers. If they actually do make it illegal, which it is not, that right there should tell you THEY DO NOT WANT YOU TO MAKE MONEY.
Request: Please can you do a video talking about calculating margin and all those other things manually? I read the theory many years ago but never really got down to the maths. We had calculators all over the place so I couldn't be bothered then. But I realize that as I am growing in knowledge I am becoming more interested in the finer details. Could you please go over how to calculate this manually without online tools? Just a pen and paper
Were u able to use it
Its easier just to use a margin calculator
hi Raf I'm impressed with almost all of you lessons, much appreciation!
Raf, I wanna trade arbitrage in forex.
what are the types of arbitrage in forex and how to execute them?
I only know of triangular and statistical arbitrage. But I don't know much about them.
Can you teach me what these are and how to execute them?
Is this illegal if do the both that is buying and selling with entry of 1 or 2 pips difference between both....?
Thx a lot
You're welcome! Thanks for the comment. :)
All good until the market drops 100 pips, then retraces the whole way to zero then back the other way, which the banks do deliberately sometimes. you then bust both accounts in minutes
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set your TP for both trades so that in the event of a whipsaw, you're still good 🙂
You can close 80% profit and set stop loss to breakeven
Lock in the hedge on the same account use two separate positions going both ways, scale in with a larger position to offset the first loss, close out losing trade. Leave hedge open sell One will make up for the loss and run profit sell two will be pure profit
Can this strategy work on trading earnings in the stock market
Very nice
Awesome, and very educative. I love your works.
Thank you very much! Appreciate your comment.
@@RafalZuchowicz
Your 5mins scalping strategy refers. Over the weekend I found quite a lot of historical data on the profitability of the strategy and I was amazed. However, today I took 2 trades, EU and GU both hit SL. I guess I didn't get the correct directional bias. Please, can you elaborate with a video on how better one can determine a pair's directional bias before taking a trade with this system. Thanks.
Send me your trades entry points and SL to Info@rafalzuchoiwcz.com and I'll have a look at them.
@@RafalZuchowicz I will send you a screenshots of the trades entry no. Thanks.
@@brianiyke346 did you get his reply could you explain here pls
you can put stop loss , so is similar?
And what makes profit in it ? While both accounts are at that project
Can this be used in crypto? I like Monero and BNB.
So what's the difference between this and hedging? (Opening both a buy and a sell and then place a stop loss while letting the other trade run), I don't understand.
Same thing.
Full margin dont have stop lose
i mean its kinda possible but spreads go crazy about 15 pips price at nfp can moves in secods around 35-40 pips up down . so you could put pending orders 35 pips from the 7.30am and if you lucky price moves 100 in one way . its not easy to execute you would need to make statistics and calculate your entries and spreads etc but with a little luck this could make you some money once a month ;-))))
I dont know why this is illegal. You can even do it with one account. Although, there is a good possibility that both trades will lose due to whipsaw.
Just watch both sides closely and close right on profit stop overthinking it
Worth demo trading a while. Another thing I'm thinking is spread.
This would really work well on NASDAQ or US30
Muy Bueno...., pero ellos hacen un barrido previo, por arriba y por abajo....40-50pips, y Nostros ya estamos fuera....❤
This sounds like a pain. Would rather put that time in to be a better trader
Very very intresting...so if the broker dont like it..that makes it illegal?? N ent once u make money the broker wil b gettin a small commission from it? So y would a broker b happy it u blow your account? Its not like they wil be gettin all the money u blow
What happens when the brokers fins out. Os there any punishment for that
but who told you it's going to continue going down, what if it reverses and it goes back up?
Please tell us which best news event move market 50 pips Xau/usdt
The other strategy is Latency arbitrage
You will need a very huge gap for this strategy to work. Otherwise it won't work because the margin-call percentage is 50% on almost all brokers. The margin-level might be on 100% like the video above, but that is only important for opening a position. When equity goes below 50% of account balance the positions start to close automatically by the broker.
So with an account of 100, if you are at -50, margin call will automatically start closing your position. If there are enough opposite orders, your position will be closed at once. If there are not enough opposite orders, it will be closed in pieces until your equity exceeds 50% of your account balance. Then it stops and you would sometimes still have a small position left. By opposite order I mean other traders who want to buy your sell stop loss with a buy order. And that often doesn't happen much during news, because then everyone just wants to buy or sell.
In short, never use this strategy if you don't expect a huge gap which is at least twice your entire margin.
As long as you buy or sell 2-3 min. Before the news event then you are already in the trade. Correct ?
LOL y’all need to start thinking, why not do. Hedge (buy and sell) with max lots and have a stop lose on both side 1m before news
Sounds good strategy. Have you tried it before ?
@@updooteverything5932 tested with gold, with ICM 1:500, max size you can trade is only 0.12 on 100$ with SL 40 pips, if smaller SL broker refused to send order; then during the first 1 min, like 1/2 sec, price raided both side liquidity so both orders sell and buy hit SL; and that was only on Wed not even NFP. Where did you have success with this hedge?
@@knguyen2719 i use only one account, news are easy to predict direction
Great information..thanks! Definitely an advantage over arbitrage.
Hi Rafal can you talk about different clever things like these 8:10 and how that currency thing work .
Sure, I might do a video on that one day.
@@RafalZuchowicz please do
Hello thanks for video...a question: can we trade with gold,silver,etc... because they have a great volatility
Hi Sandro, sure you can! As a netter of fact two weeks ago the closing on Friday before the war gap on gold this strategy would make a lot of sens.
kind of hedging ,nowdays its not iillegal in most of the brokers,you may put your positions far away as a pending orders or also put s/l ,your account will not be zero ,other on will proceed more.its not 100 percent strategy because the news power may not enough and pull back the price.
Hello Abdolah Jafarian, I would love you to mentor me on forex trading
Nice video, but how does using leverage make a difference on whether you win or lose using this strategy?
the leverage is helping you to make big money instead of small money with 200 pips at 3 USD each you make a profit of 600 while the long trade costs you only 100 (and the account is closed). My only concern about this strategy is the eventual up and down that brokers love to play. So price after the news instead of going in one direction, goes first up and because of the enlarged spread your short is closed then it moves down and your long is closed, so you end up with 200 loss.
Exactly.
@@vassiliscapsis9932 How is this any different from using a stop loss?
@@lineage13 Extremely different. With a stop loss the broker will never guarantee you to close the trade at your desired price (on a real account, on a demo everything works fine). So if you put a stop loss the broker could close your trade 30-50 or 100 pips away from your price. His excuse will be "lack of volatility". BUT... if you use all your funds, THEN he will completely close your account when your balance is at zero because he knows that if he does not, he will never be able to collect the extra loss like he did on your "fat" account. Anyway the broker usually is taking the opposite positions so it is easy for him to manipulate it, at will.
@@vassiliscapsis5828 if your account margin level drops below 70% the broker just auto closes everything... I don't understand how it's any different from a stop loss...
the most complicated way of hedging though you can do this with sl in one account.
Thats lovely me an my friend had done one using two different accounts his an my one instead we took advantage of the bonus coz they double our amount put in 😅 this was done just to get a good enough income to trade properly due to lack of funds
What if the market fakes down and then hikes up
Or if take you out with a big wick and then both of your accounts are liquidated
My wories aswell
It happens
so why cant you simply open 2 positions on one account with a small stop loss in a scenario where price is likely to make a bigger move so you gonna get closed on position in wrong direction quickly and you just gonna ride out the profitable one? every time you gain a profit like this. so lets say you open both position with stop loss at 1 percent of equity and you gonna close the profit after 3+ percent gain you will always be min on 1 percent profit. or am i missing something?
bcz your broker do not like u to use leverage this way
why you use 2 acc. use hedge its same
Can you explain what these are please :(Gap trading, high frequency trading, server spamming, latency arbitrage, toxic trading flow, hedging, long short arbitrage, reverse arbitrage, tick scalping, server execution, opposite account trading) ?
Hi Kasim, I’m not planing to make a videos on that topics anytime soon. You will be better of asking uncle google at the time being. All the best.
This is a simple hedging strategy. Most brokers now allow hedged accounts.
really? which ones i want to try this strategy
I kmoWq
I did this strategy back in 2019. With 1 broker though(mistake). Used 2 accounts $100 on each. Then traded natural gas. Buy on acc 1 and sell on acc 2. One account blew. The other one made $400 and it was a slow week. NOTE: I traded natural gas gaps. Open on Friday, close Monday as soon as the market opens.
They sent me a formal warning😂 to stop what I was doing. Never did it again
Move to a broker that allows you to hedge, I have no problem, it's normal where for me.
Where are you from bro?
@naufaljuraimi5890 everyone in my trading group hedges on forex without any problems, USA, UK, Dubai, Canada, everywhere.
what broker sir
Thought about trading like this , BUT doesnt the broker take the loss ?
then
Small profits need to exceed trading costs
Kindly, why is this considered illegal? Would it be the same to use hedge in the same broker, one buy and one sell order, than put 100 pips SL and 200 TP in the same account?
You will face slippage issue if you do that.
Try on two account by illustrating them
What everyone is failing to realise is this - Nothing can replace the skill of becoming a good trader. These short-cut strategies never work over the long-term because sometimes the market will swing wildly in both directions and blow both your accounts into outer space so you are left with nothing. They are for people who do not want to put in the work to become actual traders. Short-term thinkers will never realise this. You are wasting time and money when instead you could be educating yourself into becoming a consistently profitable trader that will build skills that last you a lifetime. The money made from this type of strategy is tiny compared to the results of an experienced and skilled trader who can trade any market up or down and make money. Which brings me to the final point. This is a game of skill and experience. Trying to short-cut this route may lead to temporary short-term gain but long-term disaster. You cannot build a career from using strategies like this. If you want to last in this game, you need to put in the effort and get busy learning the skills required to become consistently profitable.
NO, your limiting your mind, there is always a way. YOU just cant see it. this aint it tho. lots of mistakes here. eg Most brokers allow trading both directions.
Why going thourg all this two accounts hassle when you can trade this as a simple range breakout strategy on one account? I mean set limit buy and sell orders 30pips above and below current price and let price hit one of them upon the news event. Not saying it's a profitable one as market can easily swing +/-30pips on news and take you out of both but food for thought.
because the slippage can be a large factor for when the orders actually get executed
sir, what broker doesnt ask high margin when news released, exness and justmarke do the same, they increase margin
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Hi, Do you mean they widen the spread? I believe all will do that, You can install couple of different brokers accounts record the screen during the news release, and you will make an experiment that way and see which one has the smaller spread. You can try RAW spread accounts, etc. too.
If price zig zags/ whipsaws you can lose both accounts. This happens.
This is definitely a losing strategy. I tell u why. On the news the market sweeps down 33 pips often more in a mere few seconds. So u will be taken out on your losing trade as u just said. Then the market will turn and swing the other way and carry on... so u will be taken out on your other trade as well.this happens more often then u would win. Guaranteed. By the way it's not illegal to open 2 trades (1buy ,1 sell) on the same account.
Your method not working every time because if reverse 😅 . I decided another method on news time its working only news time by sell hedge multiplying the buy sell 3x(zone recovery)
I wouldn't use this method to get rich. I am a trader not a gambler. Sorry for not choosing method.
Same as Hedging
Illegal for market maker brokers I guess. There it is basically illegal to win and they end up giving you trouble. Good brokers are happy that you earn money to spend on their commissions lol
It is in those same ones where they allow you to use bots, tiny take profits and all kinds of barbaric things. As long as you pay the commission, everything seems fine to them, you don't play against them.
And sounds easier to buy and sell at the same time and play with the TP and SL. Basically when you touch stop loss and when you run out of margin they will close the same. If it is less than what you expect to earn in the other direction it means that the take profit is further, is the same(?)
Makes sense
I think i didn't get your point. Most brokes allow hedge mode and open opposite direction trades, so there is no need to use another broker or blow up an account for every trade. Am I missing something?
Hi, I made a follow up video on the strategy today, should answer your questions Forex trading strategy that will blow your mind
th-cam.com/video/f2OKrlgo1qo/w-d-xo.html
@@RafalZuchowiczwhat if we dont use a stop loss so during whipsaw we might be able to make money 😊
Sir is there any video that mentioning about global newses that surely effect market..?
You want to know the news events?
@@alexkalimbwe yes, how?
@@akshayraj1252 I know the events that have the most impact, let me hit my notes and find them for you
@@alexkalimbwe ok
@@akshayraj1252 NFP, FED Interest rates, CAD Employment change, CAD interest rates, AUD GDP, NZD GDP, NZD interest rates
It's called arbitrage. Some people do it with sports betting, as well.
Thank you for your comment, arbitrage is something else and yes, arbitrage has a use in sport betting.
Is this hedging or strangle..?
How is that profitable ? Explain your means
Volatile news occurs several times (monthly) according to the economic calendar, which is applicable to the mentioned strategy.
Good
Thanks
Not in ultra volatile markets😢
Isn't it hedging? Why it is forbidden? Some brokers fully allowed this strategy, some are allowed with a certain restrictions like a lot size
raidem is doing double hedging on Eliomfx broker and it woks very well
If you open a cfd account and a stock account nobody will ever know
this is hero zero strategy 1 will become zero 1 becime hero,but some time become both zero😢
Instead of this why you dont use pending orders, including buy & sell limits and but & sell stop just only one trading accoun? This is legal and profitable expecially over news release ?
This is brilliant. Set sell stop and buy stop at respectable distances below and above the market price prior to news, then use a very high lot size and set take profit very close to the sell or buy order. So that the drastic move of the market can trigger either one of them and take huge profit at once without having to move so much.
Just a lazy way of trading where the market does all the work for you.
This is still risky btw. But so is trading in general.
Anything can go wrong as with any plan or strategy ever invented since the dawn of time
Arbitrage we call it....
what broker with 3000 leverage and does not decrease during news?
1)Justmarkets=1:3000
2)FBS=1:3000
3)Exness have 1:2000 then after you trade 5 lots then you move y9ur leverage to 1:unlimited
So confused
Objects in this strategy? That cause profit and make video upon it of 2 minutes
very bad strategy cause price will destroy both of your accounts but you didn't say that xD
You can trade us30 with it cos us30 moves and may not come back
US30 is a powerhouse!!
Key word : Hedging
How to know when such news will come
Check the economic news calendar.
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why you need two accounts when you can use hedge mood.
You need 2 acc bcz you can't earn anything with one
what if the market goes against you once you close the losing trade
That's a bad day.
what if some broker give 2k leverage
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Haha, I have even better idea. Open 2 demo positions and do exactly as he says in the video. At the point when you are sipposed to close a losing posittion just go to a real accout and open a position in opposite directon. 😂😂😂
You read my mind 😂
How?
spreads are so small in demo
If your position turned into losing position on your leveraged account then you are bleeding😂
True, might happen very easily especially with spread widening at the news moment. The best option would be to open it just before the weekend that brings big news and Monday will open wit a big gap. Something like presidential election or war. I made a new video on the topic, have you watched it? th-cam.com/video/f2OKrlgo1qo/w-d-xo.html
I don’t understand a sentence you’re saying lemme finish the vid rq
You will be liquidated in both accounts
True, might happen very easily especially with spread widening at the news moment. The best option would be to open it just before the weekend that brings big news and Monday will open wit a big gap. Something like presidential election or war. I made a new video on the topic, have you watched it? th-cam.com/video/f2OKrlgo1qo/w-d-xo.html
It do no work, 100 % fail...
😈😈😈😈😈 idea!!!!!!
Why using 2accounts just put a sell stop or buy stop and u good to go😂
slippage😂
its legal bro