6:07 When ɝ and ɚ were originally chosen, they weren’t even supposed to represent different spots in the vowel space. ɜ used to just be officially considered a “variant of ə” before the IPA updated and gave it its own spot. I’m sure the NURSE vowel is not lower than the commA vowel. It’s silly to differentiate the NURSE and lettER sets in broad or even narrow transcription.
The definitely need to be differentiated for some accents, such as an old-school NYC where "church" could become a bit like "choich" - but generally they are so close that they are nearly if not fully identical.
Great video! I always love the different types of “R” sounds. I have a question on how to pronounce something. I can produce a voiced uvular trill /ʀ/ with ease, but I have trouble makinɡ the voiced uvular fricative /ʁ/. Whenever I try to say /ʁ/ I always end up sayinɡ /ʀ/, is there any way to stop this? Many thanks, as always.
The primary thing is to keep it looser, so the "meet up" can't happen. Try starting with a G, then moving the G back further, and then loosening the G up. (and the reverse: G, loosen, move it back).
i just found a great channel💫 i can recommend u to use video chapters for youtube seo. for example u can add new chapter for each r and i would really love to see right-tail r in the video too. it confuses me a bit
It would be also good mentioning that concerning English the given symbols represent different vowel and consonant phonemes. The last one is an allophone of /t/.
But why would we have different symbols for the same sound just because it is in a stressed or unstressed position? I mean, aren't different symbols for different sounds? Whenever there are different symbols I assume they indicate different sounds produced in different parts of the oral tract, am I right?
They are theoretically/potentially two different sounds, but the reality is that they are produced (and illustrated) incredibly close to one another. Is there a difference? Yes? Maybe? Not really? --all of these answers are correct-ish. It's imperfect. The reason I use them, as I've stated in a number of videos on the various symbols, is to use the ones that are traditionally used so that they match what you'll tend to see in various resources, but to offer tweaks to attempt to more accurately represent the reality of them.
@wagner junior th-cam.com/video/wt66Je3o0Qg/w-d-xo.html Check out this video. This guy has a point, similar to yours. (Jim appears on it btw) To me IPA is a tool. it's not THE law. if you want to use /ʌ/ for stressed and /ə/ for unstressed it's ok, if you want to use /ə/ for both, it's ok too. (I know, in the video he talks about ə˞ and ɜ˞ but it's the same deal) The IPA is not perfect and that's ok.
I highly recommend you to watch Geoff Lindsey’s video on “schwa is never stressed”, Wagner; he even mentions Jim Johnson two times throughout the video.
@@Sergio-hn9vr I had watched this video already, great one! He does two very important arguments: 1- The schwa and the caret are two different symbols for two different sounds, if they were the same sound there wouldn't be two different symbols, for it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to have two symbols to describe a single sound, paraphrasing him: STRESS DIFFERENCES DON'T REQUIRE US TO WRITE DIFFERENT SYMBOLS; 2- Though the schwa is USUALLY unstressed, it CAN be stressed, there is no physical impediment for it not to be, and in many accents and situations it occurs in stressed positions just fine. Ps.: I also loved that he "blamed" pronunciation dictionaries for all this confusion by misrepresenting American English pronunciation. Hahaha
6:07 When ɝ and ɚ were originally chosen, they weren’t even supposed to represent different spots in the vowel space. ɜ used to just be officially considered a “variant of ə” before the IPA updated and gave it its own spot. I’m sure the NURSE vowel is not lower than the commA vowel. It’s silly to differentiate the NURSE and lettER sets in broad or even narrow transcription.
The definitely need to be differentiated for some accents, such as an old-school NYC where "church" could become a bit like "choich" - but generally they are so close that they are nearly if not fully identical.
@@AccentHelp Thank you. I hadn't considered that.
Great video! I always love the different types of “R” sounds.
I have a question on how to pronounce something. I can produce a voiced uvular trill /ʀ/ with ease, but I have trouble makinɡ the voiced uvular fricative /ʁ/. Whenever I try to say /ʁ/ I always end up sayinɡ /ʀ/, is there any way to stop this? Many thanks, as always.
The primary thing is to keep it looser, so the "meet up" can't happen. Try starting with a G, then moving the G back further, and then loosening the G up. (and the reverse: G, loosen, move it back).
Usually people have the opposite issue!
A new video from Jim is what I needed to get me through this covid quarantine.
And it was later than I'd planned because I was down with my first bout with the Vid myself... Good luck getting through smoothly!
@@AccentHelp thanks! I think our students and other teachers are all getting sick😷
Thank you so much for the great video.
i just found a great channel💫
i can recommend u to use video chapters for youtube seo. for example u can add new chapter for each r
and i would really love to see right-tail r in the video too. it confuses me a bit
A valuable lesson. Thanks
Another great video!
It would be also good mentioning that concerning English the given symbols represent different vowel and consonant phonemes. The last one is an allophone of /t/.
Great video as alwaysǃ
I also think of the /ʋ/ being an “R” sound
But why would we have different symbols for the same sound just because it is in a stressed or unstressed position? I mean, aren't different symbols for different sounds? Whenever there are different symbols I assume they indicate different sounds produced in different parts of the oral tract, am I right?
They are theoretically/potentially two different sounds, but the reality is that they are produced (and illustrated) incredibly close to one another. Is there a difference? Yes? Maybe? Not really? --all of these answers are correct-ish. It's imperfect. The reason I use them, as I've stated in a number of videos on the various symbols, is to use the ones that are traditionally used so that they match what you'll tend to see in various resources, but to offer tweaks to attempt to more accurately represent the reality of them.
@wagner junior th-cam.com/video/wt66Je3o0Qg/w-d-xo.html Check out this video. This guy has a point, similar to yours. (Jim appears on it btw) To me IPA is a tool. it's not THE law. if you want to use /ʌ/ for stressed and /ə/ for unstressed it's ok, if you want to use /ə/ for both, it's ok too. (I know, in the video he talks about ə˞ and ɜ˞ but it's the same deal) The IPA is not perfect and that's ok.
I highly recommend you to watch Geoff Lindsey’s video on “schwa is never stressed”, Wagner; he even mentions Jim Johnson two times throughout the video.
@@Sergio-hn9vr Awesome! Thanks a lot for the recommendation!
@@Sergio-hn9vr I had watched this video already, great one! He does two very important arguments:
1- The schwa and the caret are two different symbols for two different sounds, if they were the same sound there wouldn't be two different symbols, for it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to have two symbols to describe a single sound, paraphrasing him: STRESS DIFFERENCES DON'T REQUIRE US TO WRITE DIFFERENT SYMBOLS;
2- Though the schwa is USUALLY unstressed, it CAN be stressed, there is no physical impediment for it not to be, and in many accents and situations it occurs in stressed positions just fine.
Ps.: I also loved that he "blamed" pronunciation dictionaries for all this confusion by misrepresenting American English pronunciation. Hahaha
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Спасибо
Get yourself a book of Prof. Canepari 😂
ɜ is called reversed epsilon, not turned epsilon.