100% the thing that makes Jin hard is that he has everything, and it takes a good player to utilise it. Anyone that tries to downplay the potential with this character is on a copium ventilator.
But his tracking i feel is too strong plus keep out game is perfect and his keep out is insane (that running 2 is very busted almost all characters running 2 is very sidesteppable except his
@@slasher8091 Running 2? I’m a Jin main myself (still kinda new so not great) but do you mean demonpaw? That’s a triple forward 2 input, not running. It’s not really something spamable, and it’s -8 on block, so seems pretty counterable, just don’t sidestep. I don’t think a move being unable to sidestep makes it overpowered or anything. Demonpaw is a great move for sure and has helped me get a bit more damage after a big combo plenty of times, but it’s never been the deciding move for me. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve never felt overpowered with Jin.
@@slasher8091 So I decide to check out other character’s triple forward 2s, and just Steve alone already seems to be just as good if not better then Jin’s. Steve gets a +9 on block making it perfect to get another combo in after the combo you’ve already done, kinda hard to do that with Jin’s Demonpaw since he launches the enemy so far away and Jin has terrible okizeme, and that’s if the hit lands, if it’s blocked there is a good chance you are being countered if you are facing a good player. Edit 1: Bryan doesn’t have a triple forward 2, but he has a triple forward 3 which like Steve’s is +9 on block as they are both jumping, low crushing attacks.
@@dylaroo24 bryans 3 is slow and bryans f f moves against a good player are useless since 2 of the are high and the 3 is mid so you can kind of fuzzy it steves is steppable
I think Jin in the hands of a good player is pretty terrifying. Most folk just flowchart with him, or pick him to abuse his parry and low sweep (people use it like an unseeable snake edge), and you can figure those people out pretty easily. But those players with good fundamentals? Who can use all his tools effectively? I'm scared to fight those guys haha.
Nah but you can't cheese and spam with Jin though... That's why most low rank Jin players get smoked, the character has one of the lowest win rates because if you don't know how to play him, there's no energency spam buttons
@fallenprogram1770 I bet you played Tekken for like a minute of your life since you don't now what spammable means. Lucky chloe, Hwoarang, Eddy, Katarina, etc. are spammable, not Jin's left punch or whatever you're talking about. That punch can't get the person to win the match on it's own.
@@ericfreack How are electrics spammable? Do you know the effort it takes to do one? Xbox and PS controllers can barely do it fast enough unless you played the game for years. Also, how can you spam his parry? As for f4, if you can't punish it correctly with a follow up sequence it means nothing, it just eats away at the opponents health like any other move.
100% it’s so odd when I see other Jin mains getting angry that he gets certain nerfs when he’s always been a top 10 character since Tekken 7 released. Season 2 he was straight up broken. And now he’s still probably the most well-rounded versatile character in the game. He doesn’t even have a complete match-up nightmare apart from maybe Yoshi.
I play many characters and of them Jin is easily the most versatile. Success with Jin scales very well with knowledge and experience. He gives you very little for free, making him hard on beginners, but rewards greatly after hard work is invested in understanding Tekken and Jin’s tools.
Jin's ws12's stance transition is actually bad on hit (+2 with stance, +3 without stance). If you mash ws4 (or whatever your i11 ws move is) after getting hit by ws12 and he stances, it beats out every option except ZEN 1+2 (his fastest option at i13) and it trades with ZEN 1+2. This means no launch from ZEN 1+2. If you play Julia, your ws4 is a launcher if you trade with Jin's ZEN 1+2. Or you can keep it simple and just crouch jab and not trade with anything. Jin is better off doing ws12 with no stance since the frames on the stance are actually worse than no stance. Also, majority of Jin's tools are just vanilla tools that most characters already have and they either do it in a more consistent way or maybe just outright better. Why play Jin when you can just do similar things with similar if not better reward with half the effort and 2x the consistency?
The reason it tracks is because it is 13 frames instead of 11, like strong ☆4. 13 frame tracking ch high sounds great but the reason 11 frame is so important is +1 situations like jab on block etc. It means the move can't be used in the same situations as consistently
@@MortalDaemons its true though 13 frames is no magic 4, magic 4 is at worst 12 if you ask me, but its a great move thats for sure, jin is a good character no doubt
The things chat was pointing out as weaknesses I agree aren't weaknesses. Jin struggles with oki (with the only options being d4, db4 at some angles, f(3,4), and bf21df2's last hit sometimes), and lacks a usable power crush. I find he also can struggle with evasive characters (ling and leo come to mind, where f4 goes OVER their evasive moves pretty often). Yes the power crush is somewhat fast, but it totally resets neutral and is a high. In all, not the worst weaknesses to have.
hey lil Majin i loved the format of the video! thumbs up , i would love one on Law picked him up 1 and a half years ago , trying to learn Tekken with him and still trying to make him smooth
Not only 92 damage off EWHF but it's also dangerous af to try and move after because obviously it's plus with standing 4 and more counter options. Gets so much pressure off that alone lmao.
@@MagnumOpus1122 Nah, average character at best He can only be A Tier absolute maximum now The existence of DLC characters with ridiculous crushing abilities and movement (e.g. Zafina, Kuni) , his garbage hitbox mids and the nerf to his wr2 are just too much of a mountain climb for Dragunov to be "OP"
Jin is weak to SSR not to SWL as you shown at the start, most of the moves that "tracked" you because you stepped in his strong side are all whiffed moves if you do SSR or SSR duck even that electric and ff2, b2,1 tho is stupidly good on tracking
Agree with you 100%, you can't downplay him he's just that good, not broken but overtuned, only thing holding him back is execution that's why he have low winrate online. But if his tools were low execution everyone would be complaining.
Not just execution but fundamentals and knowledge The level of knowledge and fundamentals you need to be able to even play this character just decently/a-okay is just exorbitantly high
Majin you show off partway through the video that at +8 Jin will still connect certain moves which leads me to ask is this not supposed to be the case? Generally a lot of information online says that you should treat being anything above -6 as too risky to step, is this information incorrect or does it depend on the situation more heavily than the frame adv/disadv?
That's how it works, and also that's applicable for every character Like at +8 Jin can easily tracks with slower moves like df4 shown on the video, but in this case you can mash out, and most of the time you'll be able to mash out on Jin's frames, he's top 15-20 imo and versatile, and so good in a hands of a strong player, but tbh Jin's toolkit has everything, except that all of his tools are parts also of other characters, and on Jin's side they're worth versions of what other characters have
You play him and are saying he’s broken? I wish he was broken, that way he could carry me. If you play him long enough you’ll see why I’m saying he’s definitely not.
@@kiweeltyler3586 Bin playing Jin since Tekken 3 and the new Jin in 4 ... this iteration of Jin is busted af (landing Electric Consistently and High execution Aside) He has all the tools, Very unforgiving if your not on point tho.
Hey majin! Great breakdown but he can actually Get something from parrying a jab, his parry makes moves count as wiffed and a jab has 17f wiff recovery
Jin is legit one of the best characters in the game if not the best, idk why people downplay him like he doesn’t beat the whole cast (idk about akuma though)
Most are just coping anyways because they cannot put in and realize the insane amount of work and fundamentals you need to have to at least make this character work
Ok unless your good at execution and movement jins only ok he doesn't have a move you have to watch out for besides pokes un like most characters with gimmicks like devil jin king and Paul if you mess up half of your life is gone and can carry you half way through rank like devil jin did me lolol
As a Jin main this video got me to Sub I've never seen a video explain Jin so well... Give me a way to give you my money(I wear the same thing every day so I don't buy merch)
i was wondering for a long time why Jin have one of the worst winrates in the game, since he was such a top tier character. But since then i've learned that what makes Jin hard to play is that you need to learn ALL aspects of that character in order to the most out of him. He has a move for every weakness of his, and the most optimized strength of him is locked behind an execution barrier. I honestly believe he is one of the more balanced characters in Tekken 7
I love this new honest opinion series Would you do one for Lili and Nina? 😀 People usually complain about the 2 characters but i personally don't think they're very strong
You did sidestep towards his strong side the whole video but i think he is fine. His 10f is strong but wont punish a lot of -10f moves due to poor range thoigh his range is a weakness which i am fine with to give him some identity
I’m new to tekken and I main Jin and I’m finding him super difficult, I feel like as a new player Jin is one of the worst characters in the game, I think his win to loose ratio proves that, I’m not going to give up on him tho as I enjoy playing him
I'm Brazilian, a big fan of tekken and a big fan of the magnificent fights you do with king, and I wanted to know lil majin, are you going to leave king aside? and is transitioning to a new character that you're going to use in the jin kazama case?. And if so, are you going to use jin kazama in competitive? answer my question please. a hug from your fan
Eventhou this all may be true, if i pick any easy character ill have better succes with them in a week than with jin in 7 years and thats simply a fact, no clue why
Jin seems to be an enigma for most people. Some either say he’s broken, others say he needs buffs. Jin is great on paper, but executing his moves and set ups is a lot harder than most other characters. Idk what it is, but I even though this supposed broken character is this strong, a lot of top pro players are dropping him for someone else and I don’t remember any players ever winning with jin. Only very few people I’ve seen use Jin to his full potential. Devilster and ryuk leonidas are the strongest Jin players I’ve ever seen, devilster literally being the most optimized Jin. I can’t wait to see him in tournaments if he ever participates. The world needs to see what a god Jin can do.
@@frankjaeger1711 exactly, as strong as he is supposed to be, no one ever won anything with him, i dont say he needs buffs... for me its as simple as a good df1 poke, all other characters i play havae good hitbox on df1 but jin, and thats my struggle i guess..
One of the biggest farces and misconceptions is the Mishimas "have no range, stubby t.rex arms Jin, need to risk so much" etc, when they can keep so many combos alive and do a whole mess of mixups etc at the fringes of their hurtbox. It don't matter if they don't have some long Armor King toe poke low when they can catch a person who goofed from not terribly far out. I'm glad Majin pointed out how Jin physically moves with certain things and it eats a lot of distance. None of the Mishima characters are bad and their weaknesses can be pretty much be mended or non issue by mastery on the individual. It's scary as hell playing them when you *don't* know what they're going to pull.
Jin lacks good lows, in high level his hellsweep is very reactable, d4 is -13 his db4 is predictable in certain range. The general gameplan is just don't duck. Jin mains don't realize this tho and comes up with bad arguments for the character. Most of the dlcs or other characters in the game can just cheese him out that's why he relies heavily on fundamentals and matchup knowledge compared to other characters.
I love reading about how reactable his hellsweep is then never seeing anyone react block it. Even Arslan ash who claims that eats 3 in a row Vs Atif butt in his recent tournament. It is not reactable. Let alone "very", whatever that means. d4 is -12. Least you can do is know the character you downplay. Predictability is a fault of the player, not the character. Jin doesn't automatically do db4 at certain ranges whatever that means anyway. just don't duck. He only has a hellsweep, a +on hit power low and +5 on block normal hit launching highs
Jin main here best way to counter jin is to make him rely on his pokes as his pokes are more linear jin is an all around character his problem isn’t range or tracking and his pokes aren’t bad but they are the weakest part of his kit Basically make jin rely on pokes and then step and play accordingly
Jin's ff3 has terrible range. His standing 4 does whiff sometimes, u do one step back and he will whiff standing 4. Sure he's good, but he's not perfect he does have his flaws
I think Jin is even underutilized by the pros. When alot of guys use him there it seems like they weren't quite prepared to take him to the big stage and I'm not sure why. He has the tools to win anywhere.
@@VillainessAO Devilster with the most optimized Jin and a ridiculously good player for sure. Him and ryuk leonidas are the best jins I’ve ever seen. Unfortunately they haven’t been in a tournament yet. At least not a big official tournament. Book is good, cbm is great, ryuk and devilster are gods. They just haven’t had the opportunity to show the world what they’re capable of.
@@VillainessAO I said he's underutilized and the names you gave prove my point. That's pretty much everyone who makes serious runs with Jin in the pros. That's not even counting Devilster who hasn't even really made his mark on the pro scene yet. Even Atif Butt, one of the best in the world at the game and one of the best Jins on top of that...doesn't use the character all that much when it counts.
@@joshjones9749 You can see it from the best Jin players, CBM, Book, Daniel Mado; in long tournament days the stress affects execution much harder on Jin. They stop using EWHF on while standing 2 punish or drop EWHF punish on side step.
If he's THAT good, how come is he so underused by the pros? Who actually mains Jin? Book and CBM? That's it? And even they are kinda on the fence about him, hasn't CBM picked up Noctis?
Probably consistency, pros generally enjoy an easier/cheaper playstyle. Too much effort to constantly adjust with Jin during a long tournament run. Compared to someone like Zafina or Marduk.
If anything, his overtuned moves in every category make him far easier to play than alot of characters, because youre simply just rewarded more for doing anything at all -Punishment? yeah everything knocks down and wallsplats dw you dont have to deal with the opponent doing anything, you get an oki situation nomatter what -Offense? yeah your 50/50 is insane and everything is plus or a CH launch dw about using the wrong mid, its basically a homing mid CH launch with stance transitions/guaranteed checks or plus frames to work with -Oki? yeah your ff4 is plus if its blocked meaty and it hits grounded, and it knocks down into the same situation, yeah you have a hellsweep that relaunches techrolls, or a ff3 because yes -Knowledge Checks? yeah you have plenty of moves to seriously confuse newer players, and bunga simply doesnt work back because your parry is basically Leroys but with even better reward and even less risk -Defense? on that parry, its an OS to so many things its unbelievable, and its not a Yoshi flash either, this shit is consistently a get out of jail free card to any highs and mids -Execution? yeah dw the easy stuff is still really strong and you dont have to go for electrics to get good damage, nor do you need electrics as a big part of your gameplan when you have a movelist full of one-button alternatives thatll do just fine like no matter WHAT you do, you dont have to ever worry, you have a move to cover that. If you can think it, you can do it. And before anyone says "but thats difficult! theres so many moves to choose from that it becomes hard to decide the perfect one for every situation!" again with the whole "theres no wrong mid to mix up with", theres almost no BAD move for any situation you find yourself in either, and Jin actually has one of the smallest movesets in the game at ~78. Thats less moves than Noctis, less than Gigas, and under half that of trick characters like Yoshi Ling and Lei, so how do you think THOSE characters feel with there actually weak moves to compensate, when they RELY on knowledge checks to get by, and lack the tools to actually play tekken? (if i got anything genuinely really wrong in this long ass rant do feel free to correct me, this is a matchup i struggle with so literally any feedback is super appreciated!)
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Jin is busted and OP he has everything I mean every move under the sun dude he has crazy poking a stupid hop kick and parry and great mixups and crazy wall carry and combo damage 😤😤😤
jin is an overrated character, he has bad frames,bad oki, tracking and bad reach on some core moves and is probably the hardest character to play in this game. He looks way better on paper, in reality he is strong but far from broken. Theres a reason he has the lowest online winrate in teh gaem.
Jin main here, he is absolutely busted, top 5 in the game busted. The only things he struggles with are his reach, which is booty, a lot of his moves have awful range, and he suffers from being so good that it can be hard to utilize him. When a character has everything and a move for every single situation he can be difficult to play correctly. Theres way more that goes into mastering this character than a vast majority. Despite the crying range is an issue, a lot of his moves whiff a LOT. Hes still busted and most moves have fine range, but there are a lot of important moves with sus range. His homing is op, he has peak movement, evasiveness, defense, and pressure, hes almost perfect.
Well Jin is a great character, he’s just hard to master. Yeah I notice how lil majin constantly throws shade at jin and Jin players. Unfortunately not many people have utilized jin’s full potential. Devilster and ryuk leonidas the most optimized Jins you will ever see. Yes I know of book, cbm and a few others who have great jins, but still are not on the level of Devilster. Unfortunately they’re not official offline pros since they haven’t had the opportunity to participate in tournaments yet, but hopefully one day before tekken 8 comes out.
Jin mains when they get called out for having everything always go for the "but it's hard to use everything" buddy, you have them, if you have access to those moves and proceed to moan about it, you're either not playing to be optimal or you're nitpicking for the sake of pretending like you have to absolute worst time playing.
Because db2,2,3 is ass. Block the first two, sidewalk Left and if he does the third hit then you're at his back and you just kill him for free. Why ever use db2,2,3 when f4 does a better job of the same thing?
@@egmusic1925 For no wall combos that's just blatantly false. Terrible combo ender. For the wall combo, it still isn't his best wall combo. bf2,1,df2 is his highest damaging wall combo that is absolutely guaranteed on every character. On the big characters (Bears, Jack, Gigas, Fahkumram, Marduk) Jin can get 1,2,3 / d3+4 as a wall combo, however that can be escaped by pressing U at a very specific time. Anakin does it pretty consistently. The bears are the only ones that cannot escape it.
Majin mentioning all of Jins tools and pretending other characters dont have them or better ones. Looks like hes still salty about older tekkens. Thought ud grow up. lol
@@jasonkennedy6844 He supports Eddys and Lars doe. He actually said on this same stream don’t let no one tell you Eddy ain’t good. As Eddy mains have won the most tournaments.
@@Allocution_TK yeah honestly it depends on the character. As a king main I would take an infinite stage over a floor break if I’m fighting jin any day of the week
@luisinallcaps5100 Hard disagree. His wall combo damage is average (22 after wall splat) You'll work harder on an infinite stage vs Jin because his regular combo damage is above average, and he has pretty good keepout.
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100% the thing that makes Jin hard is that he has everything, and it takes a good player to utilise it. Anyone that tries to downplay the potential with this character is on a copium ventilator.
When everything is so good and safe on him its not actually hard. Hard is when you risk without big reward
But his tracking i feel is too strong plus keep out game is perfect and his keep out is insane (that running 2 is very busted almost all characters running 2 is very sidesteppable except his
@@slasher8091 Running 2? I’m a Jin main myself (still kinda new so not great) but do you mean demonpaw? That’s a triple forward 2 input, not running. It’s not really something spamable, and it’s -8 on block, so seems pretty counterable, just don’t sidestep. I don’t think a move being unable to sidestep makes it overpowered or anything. Demonpaw is a great move for sure and has helped me get a bit more damage after a big combo plenty of times, but it’s never been the deciding move for me. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve never felt overpowered with Jin.
@@slasher8091 So I decide to check out other character’s triple forward 2s, and just Steve alone already seems to be just as good if not better then Jin’s. Steve gets a +9 on block making it perfect to get another combo in after the combo you’ve already done, kinda hard to do that with Jin’s Demonpaw since he launches the enemy so far away and Jin has terrible okizeme, and that’s if the hit lands, if it’s blocked there is a good chance you are being countered if you are facing a good player. Edit 1: Bryan doesn’t have a triple forward 2, but he has a triple forward 3 which like Steve’s is +9 on block as they are both jumping, low crushing attacks.
@@dylaroo24 bryans 3 is slow and bryans f f moves against a good player are useless since 2 of the are high and the 3 is mid so you can kind of fuzzy it steves is steppable
I think Jin in the hands of a good player is pretty terrifying. Most folk just flowchart with him, or pick him to abuse his parry and low sweep (people use it like an unseeable snake edge), and you can figure those people out pretty easily. But those players with good fundamentals? Who can use all his tools effectively? I'm scared to fight those guys haha.
Nah but you can't cheese and spam with Jin though... That's why most low rank Jin players get smoked, the character has one of the lowest win rates because if you don't know how to play him, there's no energency spam buttons
@@VillainessAO except parry, homing M4, 213, f4 and electrics
@fallenprogram1770 I bet you played Tekken for like a minute of your life since you don't now what spammable means. Lucky chloe, Hwoarang, Eddy, Katarina, etc. are spammable, not Jin's left punch or whatever you're talking about. That punch can't get the person to win the match on it's own.
@@ericfreack How are electrics spammable? Do you know the effort it takes to do one? Xbox and PS controllers can barely do it fast enough unless you played the game for years. Also, how can you spam his parry? As for f4, if you can't punish it correctly with a follow up sequence it means nothing, it just eats away at the opponents health like any other move.
@@VillainessAO how to Spam Jin parry: step 1: Mash parry step 2: be unwhiffpunishable congrats you now have a spammable parry
"privileged" is so accurate. He has everything.
100%
it’s so odd when I see other Jin mains getting angry that he gets certain nerfs when he’s always been a top 10 character since Tekken 7 released. Season 2 he was straight up broken.
And now he’s still probably the most well-rounded versatile character in the game. He doesn’t even have a complete match-up nightmare apart from maybe Yoshi.
i mean he is the main character afterall so it make sense.
Jin is the original OP DLC character before the rest of the OP DLC character came out.
except oki. his oki is garbage. the range on his i10-i15 pokes is also kinda dookie. Can be capitalized on.
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I play many characters and of them Jin is easily the most versatile. Success with Jin scales very well with knowledge and experience. He gives you very little for free, making him hard on beginners, but rewards greatly after hard work is invested in understanding Tekken and Jin’s tools.
Loved this stream!
I always like seeing your opinions on other characters and such.
One of my favourite Tekken players talking about one of my favourite Tekken characters. It's a good day today haha
Jin's ws12's stance transition is actually bad on hit (+2 with stance, +3 without stance). If you mash ws4 (or whatever your i11 ws move is) after getting hit by ws12 and he stances, it beats out every option except ZEN 1+2 (his fastest option at i13) and it trades with ZEN 1+2. This means no launch from ZEN 1+2. If you play Julia, your ws4 is a launcher if you trade with Jin's ZEN 1+2. Or you can keep it simple and just crouch jab and not trade with anything. Jin is better off doing ws12 with no stance since the frames on the stance are actually worse than no stance.
Also, majority of Jin's tools are just vanilla tools that most characters already have and they either do it in a more consistent way or maybe just outright better. Why play Jin when you can just do similar things with similar if not better reward with half the effort and 2x the consistency?
Jin feels rewarding tho i started with kazuya
Bro this video is very informative. We need more of this! Love your stream Majin
"Jin has no tracking"
My dude Jin literally has a tracking magic 4
dayum
The reason it tracks is because it is 13 frames instead of 11, like strong ☆4. 13 frame tracking ch high sounds great but the reason 11 frame is so important is +1 situations like jab on block etc. It means the move can't be used in the same situations as consistently
@@MortalDaemons its true though 13 frames is no magic 4, magic 4 is at worst 12 if you ask me, but its a great move thats for sure, jin is a good character no doubt
i mean, lee's magic 4 tracks as well but he is no top tier
The things chat was pointing out as weaknesses I agree aren't weaknesses. Jin struggles with oki (with the only options being d4, db4 at some angles, f(3,4), and bf21df2's last hit sometimes), and lacks a usable power crush. I find he also can struggle with evasive characters (ling and leo come to mind, where f4 goes OVER their evasive moves pretty often). Yes the power crush is somewhat fast, but it totally resets neutral and is a high. In all, not the worst weaknesses to have.
hey lil Majin i loved the format of the video! thumbs up , i would love one on Law picked him up 1 and a half years ago , trying to learn Tekken with him and still trying to make him smooth
looking foward to more of this if you're planning on it, loving the content man much love. any thoughts on yoshi?
Not only 92 damage off EWHF but it's also dangerous af to try and move after because obviously it's plus with standing 4 and more counter options. Gets so much pressure off that alone lmao.
3:50 This was some incredibly good information to me! You should dedicate videos to stuff like that.
Standing 4 hit into free electric is mishima 101🤟🏼
Was there a section for Dragunov?
Dragunov is still op, he just lacks good mids 😂😂.
@@MagnumOpus1122 Nah, average character at best
He can only be A Tier absolute maximum now
The existence of DLC characters with ridiculous crushing abilities and movement (e.g. Zafina, Kuni) , his garbage hitbox mids and the nerf to his wr2 are just too much of a mountain climb for Dragunov to be "OP"
@@qweqweqwadcsc That was a sarcastic response bro 😝. A character with shite mids can never be considered good in this game.
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Anyone got a past broadcast link to check his bryan overview he mentioned?
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He forgot northern cross doe I think lol
Jin is weak to SSR not to SWL as you shown at the start, most of the moves that "tracked" you because you stepped in his strong side are all whiffed moves if you do SSR or SSR duck even that electric and ff2, b2,1 tho is stupidly good on tracking
SSR or SWR
Agree with you 100%, you can't downplay him he's just that good, not broken but overtuned, only thing holding him back is execution that's why he have low winrate online. But if his tools were low execution everyone would be complaining.
Not just execution but fundamentals and knowledge
The level of knowledge and fundamentals you need to be able to even play this character just decently/a-okay is just exorbitantly high
@@qweqweqwadcsc Look who we have here, a downplaying Jim main. :)
@@eternalblasphemy6526naw he’s just accurate
Man I cant wait to see more Jin in Tekken 8. Hes a my faav
Majin you show off partway through the video that at +8 Jin will still connect certain moves which leads me to ask is this not supposed to be the case? Generally a lot of information online says that you should treat being anything above -6 as too risky to step, is this information incorrect or does it depend on the situation more heavily than the frame adv/disadv?
That's how it works, and also that's applicable for every character
Like at +8 Jin can easily tracks with slower moves like df4 shown on the video, but in this case you can mash out, and most of the time you'll be able to mash out on Jin's frames, he's top 15-20 imo and versatile, and so good in a hands of a strong player, but tbh Jin's toolkit has everything, except that all of his tools are parts also of other characters, and on Jin's side they're worth versions of what other characters have
it is insane to me that 6 years later still underplay this character lmao... so insanely broken, and I play him
He's really fucking good haha
underplayed cause hes hard and everyone online in mid to low ranks has the worst win rate
You play him and are saying he’s broken? I wish he was broken, that way he could carry me. If you play him long enough you’ll see why I’m saying he’s definitely not.
@@kiweeltyler3586 Bin playing Jin since Tekken 3 and the new Jin in 4 ... this iteration of Jin is busted af (landing Electric Consistently and High execution Aside) He has all the tools, Very unforgiving if your not on point tho.
no you dont
Hey majin! Great breakdown but he can actually Get something from parrying a jab, his parry makes moves count as wiffed and a jab has 17f wiff recovery
In summary : If you can’t make Jin work , You’re Just going to have to accept the fact that you’re just not that Nigga . Give it up lmao 🤣
20:30 hell sweep bf 21 rage art works too and does 2 or so more damage
Jin is legit one of the best characters in the game if not the best, idk why people downplay him like he doesn’t beat the whole cast (idk about akuma though)
Most are just coping anyways because they cannot put in and realize the insane amount of work and fundamentals you need to have to at least make this character work
Jin Kazama is my Favorite Character.
Jin is absolutely an S tier character, top 10-15 character in the game. His toolkit is bonkers
I'm still watching
Your face when "electric" LMAOOOO
If there's one thing Jin is good at its screwing over Gigas bc his parry COMPLETELY shuts down Gigas offense
S tier but even the pros like Atif who main him won't use him at tournament. Even Book broke his dry spell playing Leroy.
can you give us your opinion on josie and potential bruce in tekken 8
I’m Enjoying the Jin Series 🔥🔥🔥
Range is a little problem especially while punishing other moves. And if you can't do 15 frames or lower electrics the forget punishment.
With Jin F4+2 I’ve caught somebody sidestepping and still hit him when he was behind me.
As a jin main, I want you to try to rank up jin so bad. Tryna see your execution on a character u barely touch
Ok unless your good at execution and movement jins only ok he doesn't have a move you have to watch out for besides pokes un like most characters with gimmicks like devil jin king and Paul if you mess up half of your life is gone and can carry you half way through rank like devil jin did me lolol
As a Jin main this video got me to Sub I've never seen a video explain Jin so well... Give me a way to give you my money(I wear the same thing every day so I don't buy merch)
Well buy the merch but don’t wear it lol
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i was wondering for a long time why Jin have one of the worst winrates in the game, since he was such a top tier character.
But since then i've learned that what makes Jin hard to play is that you need to learn ALL aspects of that character in order to the most out of him.
He has a move for every weakness of his, and the most optimized strength of him is locked behind an execution barrier.
I honestly believe he is one of the more balanced characters in Tekken 7
I love this new honest opinion series
Would you do one for Lili and Nina? 😀
People usually complain about the 2 characters but i personally don't think they're very strong
People complain about those? Wha…? 😭
If you don't count the situational combo of 2ds in season 4 Jin was the best character with Feng
An expert level character reduced to a nearly braindead
You did sidestep towards his strong side the whole video but i think he is fine. His 10f is strong but wont punish a lot of -10f moves due to poor range thoigh his range is a weakness which i am fine with to give him some identity
I’m new to tekken and I main Jin and I’m finding him super difficult, I feel like as a new player Jin is one of the worst characters in the game, I think his win to loose ratio proves that, I’m not going to give up on him tho as I enjoy playing him
I'm Brazilian, a big fan of tekken and a big fan of the magnificent fights you do with king, and I wanted to know lil majin, are you going to leave king aside? and is transitioning to a new character that you're going to use in the jin kazama case?. And if so, are you going to use jin kazama in competitive? answer my question please. a hug from your fan
No. Just. No.
Got it, thank you so much lil majin for answering my question
broo can you handcam please?
Nice !!!!!
I gotta join stream n tell him do a JosieEee
Privileged describes it perfectly. Doesn't help that he's significantly less stressful to maintain than other mishima's.
I think Jin is the most nerfed OG char in tekken 7 right? Still top 10~ and he's absolutely incredible.
Maybe Kazumi? But ye been a Jin main since tag 1. I'd say around top 5.
Eventhou this all may be true, if i pick any easy character ill have better succes with them in a week than with jin in 7 years and thats simply a fact, no clue why
Jin seems to be an enigma for most people. Some either say he’s broken, others say he needs buffs. Jin is great on paper, but executing his moves and set ups is a lot harder than most other characters. Idk what it is, but I even though this supposed broken character is this strong, a lot of top pro players are dropping him for someone else and I don’t remember any players ever winning with jin. Only very few people I’ve seen use Jin to his full potential. Devilster and ryuk leonidas are the strongest Jin players I’ve ever seen, devilster literally being the most optimized Jin. I can’t wait to see him in tournaments if he ever participates. The world needs to see what a god Jin can do.
@@frankjaeger1711 exactly, as strong as he is supposed to be, no one ever won anything with him, i dont say he needs buffs... for me its as simple as a good df1 poke, all other characters i play havae good hitbox on df1 but jin, and thats my struggle i guess..
@@frankjaeger1711 a lot of people don’t realize that
his weakness is the player using him being bad lmao
(like every other character, but most others have other weaknesses)
Oh yeah, hellsweep to rage art must be off axis
Keeping it real on the Jin downplayers 💪🏾😂. Jin is very privileged
One of the biggest farces and misconceptions is the Mishimas "have no range, stubby t.rex arms Jin, need to risk so much" etc, when they can keep so many combos alive and do a whole mess of mixups etc at the fringes of their hurtbox.
It don't matter if they don't have some long Armor King toe poke low when they can catch a person who goofed from not terribly far out. I'm glad Majin pointed out how Jin physically moves with certain things and it eats a lot of distance.
None of the Mishima characters are bad and their weaknesses can be pretty much be mended or non issue by mastery on the individual. It's scary as hell playing them when you *don't* know what they're going to pull.
Jin lacks good lows, in high level his hellsweep is very reactable, d4 is -13 his db4 is predictable in certain range. The general gameplan is just don't duck. Jin mains don't realize this tho and comes up with bad arguments for the character. Most of the dlcs or other characters in the game can just cheese him out that's why he relies heavily on fundamentals and matchup knowledge compared to other characters.
d4 is -12 not -13
I love reading about how reactable his hellsweep is then never seeing anyone react block it. Even Arslan ash who claims that eats 3 in a row Vs Atif butt in his recent tournament.
It is not reactable. Let alone "very", whatever that means.
d4 is -12. Least you can do is know the character you downplay.
Predictability is a fault of the player, not the character. Jin doesn't automatically do db4 at certain ranges whatever that means anyway.
just don't duck. He only has a hellsweep, a +on hit power low and +5 on block normal hit launching highs
Jin main here best way to counter jin is to make him rely on his pokes as his pokes are more linear jin is an all around character his problem isn’t range or tracking and his pokes aren’t bad but they are the weakest part of his kit
Basically make jin rely on pokes and then step and play accordingly
Jin's ff3 has terrible range. His standing 4 does whiff sometimes, u do one step back and he will whiff standing 4. Sure he's good, but he's not perfect he does have his flaws
the 95% of the cast's standing 4 will whiff if you are not at range 0 tho.
Jins standing 4 has great range imo. It also launches on CH making it good for setting up frame traps
@@kaoiken5030 yeah and theirs also have Shit tracking instead of being literally homing
@@ericfreack plus a billion on normal hit also
I think Jin is even underutilized by the pros. When alot of guys use him there it seems like they weren't quite prepared to take him to the big stage and I'm not sure why. He has the tools to win anywhere.
Just watch Book, Cherryberrymango, Devilster, etc....they utilise him very well
@@VillainessAO Devilster with the most optimized Jin and a ridiculously good player for sure. Him and ryuk leonidas are the best jins I’ve ever seen. Unfortunately they haven’t been in a tournament yet. At least not a big official tournament. Book is good, cbm is great, ryuk and devilster are gods. They just haven’t had the opportunity to show the world what they’re capable of.
@@VillainessAO I said he's underutilized and the names you gave prove my point. That's pretty much everyone who makes serious runs with Jin in the pros. That's not even counting Devilster who hasn't even really made his mark on the pro scene yet. Even Atif Butt, one of the best in the world at the game and one of the best Jins on top of that...doesn't use the character all that much when it counts.
@@joshjones9749 You can see it from the best Jin players, CBM, Book, Daniel Mado; in long tournament days the stress affects execution much harder on Jin. They stop using EWHF on while standing 2 punish or drop EWHF punish on side step.
@@chinogambino9375 That's a good point. As good as Jin is he does require execution to be that good.
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Too difficult of a character to play extremely well, you just need to be talented at Tekken to even just play this character a-okay
If he's THAT good, how come is he so underused by the pros? Who actually mains Jin? Book and CBM? That's it? And even they are kinda on the fence about him, hasn't CBM picked up Noctis?
Probably consistency, pros generally enjoy an easier/cheaper playstyle.
Too much effort to constantly adjust with Jin during a long tournament run. Compared to someone like Zafina or Marduk.
Jin is s tier
If anything, his overtuned moves in every category make him far easier to play than alot of characters, because youre simply just rewarded more for doing anything at all
-Punishment? yeah everything knocks down and wallsplats dw you dont have to deal with the opponent doing anything, you get an oki situation nomatter what
-Offense? yeah your 50/50 is insane and everything is plus or a CH launch dw about using the wrong mid, its basically a homing mid CH launch with stance transitions/guaranteed checks or plus frames to work with
-Oki? yeah your ff4 is plus if its blocked meaty and it hits grounded, and it knocks down into the same situation, yeah you have a hellsweep that relaunches techrolls, or a ff3 because yes
-Knowledge Checks? yeah you have plenty of moves to seriously confuse newer players, and bunga simply doesnt work back because your parry is basically Leroys but with even better reward and even less risk
-Defense? on that parry, its an OS to so many things its unbelievable, and its not a Yoshi flash either, this shit is consistently a get out of jail free card to any highs and mids
-Execution? yeah dw the easy stuff is still really strong and you dont have to go for electrics to get good damage, nor do you need electrics as a big part of your gameplan when you have a movelist full of one-button alternatives thatll do just fine
like no matter WHAT you do, you dont have to ever worry, you have a move to cover that. If you can think it, you can do it. And before anyone says "but thats difficult! theres so many moves to choose from that it becomes hard to decide the perfect one for every situation!" again with the whole "theres no wrong mid to mix up with", theres almost no BAD move for any situation you find yourself in either, and Jin actually has one of the smallest movesets in the game at ~78. Thats less moves than Noctis, less than Gigas, and under half that of trick characters like Yoshi Ling and Lei, so how do you think THOSE characters feel with there actually weak moves to compensate, when they RELY on knowledge checks to get by, and lack the tools to actually play tekken?
(if i got anything genuinely really wrong in this long ass rant do feel free to correct me, this is a matchup i struggle with so literally any feedback is super appreciated!)
Bro it's electric don't track 🤣 it tracks only one side
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Jin is busted and OP he has everything I mean every move under the sun dude he has crazy poking a stupid hop kick and parry and great mixups and crazy wall carry and combo damage 😤😤😤
jin is an overrated character, he has bad frames,bad oki, tracking and bad reach on some core moves and is probably the hardest character to play in this game. He looks way better on paper, in reality he is strong but far from broken. Theres a reason he has the lowest online winrate in teh gaem.
Protagonist his need tô be strong
Jin main here, he is absolutely busted, top 5 in the game busted. The only things he struggles with are his reach, which is booty, a lot of his moves have awful range, and he suffers from being so good that it can be hard to utilize him. When a character has everything and a move for every single situation he can be difficult to play correctly. Theres way more that goes into mastering this character than a vast majority. Despite the crying range is an issue, a lot of his moves whiff a LOT. Hes still busted and most moves have fine range, but there are a lot of important moves with sus range. His homing is op, he has peak movement, evasiveness, defense, and pressure, hes almost perfect.
you could literally break down Any character like this and make them sound OP. even the most bottom tiers. kinda sad a pro player is being dishonest.
That’s very true
*Any top tier character
Yeah the whole cast is to tier and u should ever consider online conditions, that makes normal moves busted
The title literally says "Opinion" lmao chill
Well Jin is a great character, he’s just hard to master. Yeah I notice how lil majin constantly throws shade at jin and Jin players. Unfortunately not many people have utilized jin’s full potential. Devilster and ryuk leonidas the most optimized Jins you will ever see. Yes I know of book, cbm and a few others who have great jins, but still are not on the level of Devilster. Unfortunately they’re not official offline pros since they haven’t had the opportunity to participate in tournaments yet, but hopefully one day before tekken 8 comes out.
Jin mains when they get called out for having everything always go for the "but it's hard to use everything" buddy, you have them, if you have access to those moves and proceed to moan about it, you're either not playing to be optimal or you're nitpicking for the sake of pretending like you have to absolute worst time playing.
“Do a negative 14 frame low agains Jin, see what happens”
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Bro didn’t even mention db223
Because db2,2,3 is ass.
Block the first two, sidewalk Left and if he does the third hit then you're at his back and you just kill him for free. Why ever use db2,2,3 when f4 does a better job of the same thing?
@@Allocution_TK because db223 is a great combo ender
@@egmusic1925 For no wall combos that's just blatantly false. Terrible combo ender.
For the wall combo, it still isn't his best wall combo. bf2,1,df2 is his highest damaging wall combo that is absolutely guaranteed on every character.
On the big characters (Bears, Jack, Gigas, Fahkumram, Marduk) Jin can get 1,2,3 / d3+4 as a wall combo, however that can be escaped by pressing U at a very specific time. Anakin does it pretty consistently. The bears are the only ones that cannot escape it.
Majin mentioning all of Jins tools and pretending other characters dont have them or better ones. Looks like hes still salty about older tekkens. Thought ud grow up. lol
Most don't. Go look at Eddy or Larsu.
He actually believes all Characters are good. Besides the pandas
@@jasonkennedy6844 He supports Eddys and Lars doe. He actually said on this same stream don’t let no one tell you Eddy ain’t good. As Eddy mains have won the most tournaments.
Really hit a nerve with you didn't he lol
You come off as extremely hurt.
Vs Jin? Just pick an infinite stage 😈
As a Jin main, i prefer infinite stages vs a few characters.
@@Allocution_TK yeah honestly it depends on the character. As a king main I would take an infinite stage over a floor break if I’m fighting jin any day of the week
@@Allocution_TK im just saying the damage jin does on stages with walls is crazy. without walls he has to try harder
@luisinallcaps5100 Hard disagree. His wall combo damage is average (22 after wall splat)
You'll work harder on an infinite stage vs Jin because his regular combo damage is above average, and he has pretty good keepout.
@@Allocution_TK I still like the match up better on an infinite.
He’s the most broken character in this game S+
I find him not so interesting as a character. His design is a boring toned down devil jin