So the tiles and aluminum are $22-$25 per square foot, while the Deckorators Voyage line (some of the most expensive mineral based material) is $14 per square foot retail from Lowes, so contractors can probably get a better deal. So you're looking at $8 more at least per square foot than some of the most expensive composite. Not sure how they get to costs being comparable... but par for the course for sponsored videos.
The only thing you omitted that I would have liked to have seen was the edge treatment. Do they also make the border treatment? How does it install and intersect with the ends of the tiles?
Just did a porcelain tile terrace up in central Ontario, Canada. Love the durability for a cold climate. Using Romex permeable jointing compound between the tiles to keep the debris out - amazing stuff that can be pressure washed and lets the water through.
TLDR... $25/sqft for what's shown in the video! This is more than I would spend for indoor flooring and more than double the most expensive composite decking I could find. That's not surprising considering that it's a ridiculously thick (3/4") rectified porcelain. Even if I had the money I don't think I'm a customer - who wants to walk on tile anyway, composite is sooo much nicer. If you're worried about scratching your composite or wood deck than you should probably just put on a VR headset so you can live in an imaginary perfect world.
Think of it as investing and saving money--creating value in a home. So many builders cost cut with standard "builder grade" products. And, they are inadvertently taking value out of the very thing they are trying to create and put added-value into. Of course, once you build it, you have to sell it! How much effort does it take to explain why a fiber glass Pella window is better than a "Window World" plastic window? Or explaining why fiber cementious siding is better than vinyl siding?
Mbrico tiles have a solar reflectance index between 60% and 80%, which means they absorb less heat and stay cooler to the touch! Mbrico has been installed in many projects in the Lake Tahoe, Salt Lake City, and other high-altitude areas.
I’ve been renovating our family home, and found many new innovative products on TH-cam. This deck system could be my next find! Will have to see how pricing shakes out. I found Stellar floating wood floors through TH-cam, and it was the best decision I made! This deck system could be incredible.
My only concern is the varience in the heigh of the decking joists. I see several shims. So it makes me concerned on how it will manifest and the addtional labor needed to compensate
I want to use this product on my build in Alabama. I will mention it to Will King's crew and drafting crew. It will be used on the north side of the house in an area that will never receive direct sunlight. The mold resistant properties will be perfect. Thanks for the great product review.
Their website is poor. I can only request a quote or a sample, they don't want to talk to me otherwise. What I want is a high-res image of the products, so I can see what they look like. Seems like that would be something I could find on their website, but nope.
Former technical service manager for a domestic us tile producer with over 35 years of experience here. The ANSI A137.1 spec for porcelain is 0.5% or less for water absorption when tested using ASTM C373-18(2023) Test Method. Not 0.05% as stated by the installer.
Hi, great catch! ASTM C373 for Water Absorption international minimum qualifying standards for porcelain tile are 0.5% porosity, you are correct. However, Mbrico porcelain component 2cm average values test at 0.05% according to third party testing. Porcelain is a great non-porous material. Thanks!
11:20 really gives you a good picture of what to expect down the road after everything has seasoned for a few years. That looks awful, like a tile guy laid down tile on raw osb with drywall mud.
Over the years, thinking of swimming pools I’ve worked on, I’ve had to excavate below a flagstone deck for plumbing and electrical issues, also had similar issues with a large travertine patio/deck enclosure. Just wondering how this stuff holds up long term. And what’s the availability of parts long term.
I wonder how this would look after a winter of shoveling snow off it. With the lippage I see in the video, I bet it would hook the shovel a lot. Second, if you’re ripping out a 16 year old Trex deck that has 2x12 joists, will those old joists support the weight of these titles or am I replacing with wider joists?
@@garrettclark2796 Yeah, but that isn't typically a path to start a house on fire in a wildfire risk area. It's embers falling on roofs or being sucked up into attics or vegetation against houses and fences. It would be pretty hard to see the joists being a major risk, and there is almost no alternative if the house is on a sloped site so that ground level patios aren't a direct replacement.
What they may find is through that frost cycle, the water sits in the grooves and then expands causing breakage. Great in a closed in space but, exposed to moisture and freezing, the risk is apparent.
After all they are putting this system on top of your typical wooden deck sub-system. Id image those hight differences will only get worse over the years as the wood gets seasoned. This would be a huge pass for me unless the subframe was aluminium or some sort of metal structure. And that point this no longer becomes a product but businesses.
Railing systems. Does Mbrico have a line or some thoughts? I can't imagine drilling all of the holes through all of the porcelain tiles for the posts or possibly cutting around all of the posts if they were installed against the framing.
How does it hold up to impact? Being a deck, someone's going to drop something on it. Also, is a heating system available to eliminate ice and snow in winter?
I would think a great substrate for this decking would be a metal structure like the one you showed a while back from Fortress or a similar i I’ve see from Outdure.
Heavy tree cover with lots of debris? I normally do a significantly larger gap than 1/8" and in fact have sawn larger gaps on decks that get plugged up with debris. Impact resistance? What happens if a decanter gets knocked off the table? What about roughhousing knocking over the table or ... ?
@ I wish we would have known before building a deck last year with composite, they warned of the heat but frankly if it’s not covered from the sun it’s way to hot to relax on during the mid afternoon especially.
Amazing product! The rep had a few flaws in his description of rectified porcelain. Rectified porcelain is based on the exact cutting of the material edge & size variance. Not calibration/thickness. The thousands of inches the rep is referring to are the size variance. Not the thickness or cupping. All porcelain, regardless of being rectified, has considerable cupping. Especially when the tiles get longer. There company definitely has a process that laminates the tile to the backer that decreases the cupping. Cupping leads to lippage. That's why other companies produced the anti-lippage clip systems/ also called leveling system too help with the longer, wider porcelain tile & rectified porcelain tile. Just FYI....Porosity in the tile industry is referred to viturios, semi viturios & non-viturios. KOKO!
Great product. I wish companies would stop the "Lifetime Warranty/Guarantee" pitch. There is no validity to those claims due to the fact if they go out of business in 5, 10, 15, years etc., who honors that claim???
It's up to the consumer to take that into consideration (how long the company will be in business). In reality, for any kind of tile job (or even wood flooring) one should just order some excess tiles/planks and store them. Even with a warranty, as in any type of product, they probably can't guarantee color match over a long period of time.
Could maybe fade if taking major sun, that would make things hard to match no matter what but seems unlikely so definitely critical to have extras@Mark-rw3kw
Wood has an extremely low coefficient of expansion and contraction. Roughly 1/6th that of Trex Composite decking. You don’t need to allow for much movement if you keep it dry.😊
seems like it requires a very beefy structure below. wonder how it would perform on a deck 10’ off the ground with joist on beam. seems like the tile would crack due to excessive movement or the joist would need to be glue lam or something with tight spacing.
So. I live in Norway. -30C or worse and snow falling from the roof, how much abuse can these tiles take? And, what happens if one breaks, can it be replaced? Assuming this isn't water tight?
Freeze/Thaw tested for 60 years of cycling at temps nearing -60F (~ -50C) with no visible change reported! Each order comes with some extra and a lifetime warranty!
I was thinking about this for a while. Not only this, but making the deck from concrete to begin with. Wood and composite are getting too hot on the sun.
Honestly a pretty cool product but super out of my price range. You guys can find me and Floor and Decor buying some $2/sqft tiles for my house lol. My previous house's master bath literally cost $0.25/sqft (and they were beautiful). Very different product but do people really need a 1000th of an in tolerances?
I had this question too. Wood or composite are pretty flexible and resilient to dropped objects or sharp impacts. Harder materials in my mind would tend to not do as well as they’d break or shatter more easily. If this can sustain a majority of the common ownership accidents that’s fine but would like to see a side by side test.
@@ALMX5DP Porcelain tile is probably the hardest and most durable flooring one can buy. It is far more durable than any natural tile or stone used around pools or walkways, and obviously much more durable than wood or composite wood. In fact, one of the disadvantages of porcelain is that if you drop something on it, whatever you drop is likely to break, even though the tile remains unharmed. Although this video showed porcelain being used on a raised deck, it is probably most often used on surface grade instead of a stone or tile. for both interior and exterior applications.
I like the concept, but the finished product didn't look particularly even. The joists would have to be perfectly straight for this to be dead level and good luck with that. For me, the whole point of a hard deck with mortar, would be easy cleaning and leaf/debris removal. With these gaps, small particulates are just going to build up and become visible.
If I’m going to spend that much for flooring - might as well be real stuff - I doubt these will last and look as nice in a few years. IPE / teak has proven to be timeless.
I missed that and can't find it in the video, did he say that's $25/sqft for the whole deck, or just the rails and tiles? Something like this might be approachable for normal people once their patents run out.
@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah He did say $25 per square foot, but not sure if that is installation included. He said it comparable to composite decking like Trek. According to the Trek website, the cost of materials and labor is each about $25 per square foot, so maybe $50 per square foot installed?
I went with 2x6 treated board & PINE TAR stain for my 48' W x 16' deep full sun wrap around deck. Why?.... Because I could resurface that deck with new wood 3x vs the cost of the composite and probably 4x vs this tile. And that is BEFORE i factor in that when the 2x6 wears on the surface there is PLENTY of meat left to flip & rescrew it down & stain. The Pine Tar deck stain will make that wood wear & last INCREDIBLY long compared to traditional stain on wood. IF aesthetically, this is worth the money, I 100% understand. Get the look you want. But if wood will look good and ESPECIALLY if it is covered? I am baffled as to why anyone would eat the cost of 5 decks upfront. The hastle of resurfacing vs the high cost of this or composite is a no brainer. And, god help you if you have to replace pieces down the road and that style/color is out of production or has changed.
Strange to see them using stainless screws for the aluminum track, they will react with each other . Really cool system though, looks great I must try get a sample
Good point. You are correct that galvanic corrosion can occur between aluminum and stainless steel if exposed to water. Apparently the aluminum will degrade, not the stainless steel, and on this system the aluminum tracks are probably substantial enough to not be a big issue. It would be a bigger issue if the stainless steel screws deteriorated instead of the tracks. But there is probably nothing to prevent one from using aluminum screws instead of the ones recommended by the manufacturer, although they might not be as strong as stainless steel, which could be a reason for not using aluminum. Another option would be to fill the holes with silicone caulk or washer before inserting the screws to maybe provide some degree of separation between the aluminum and stainless steel.
Nice. But using Tyvek is a crime when you could have used Henry's Bluskin Self-Adhesive Air and Vapor Barrier Membrane. I would fire anyone who does not know what it is.
If I were the tile manufacturer and following this comment thread (and they are because I've already seen one reply), I'd be responding to all of the comments here.
This is cool and i like the look, but how is this just as expensive as a high end composite? I've never seen a 6 inch 20 foot long composite board cost $200.
So if some of the tiles eventually break you have to replace the entire deck because that particular collection has been retired? I'd better use wooden boards.
The same is true of other types of decks installed with hidden fasteners (wood, composite, or porcelain tile). However, they did explain how you can replace a single damage tile by cutting off the flange and gluing it in. This is basically the same method used for replaced strips of tongue and grove wood flooring that have been damaged. As far as color match, yes you should order and store spare quantities of the flooring in case of breakage or damage. This is true of any kind of pre-finished flooring or carpet.
Amazing product. I suppose the durability, fit, maintenance free aspect, and finish would have to be seriously considered vs cost. Horizontal exterior surfaces get punished in all environments. Imagine simple cleaning as only maintenance. Only concern is breaking a tile and the work to replace.
According to the video, maybe about the same as a high-end composite deck install. I think he said between $21 and $24 per square foot for the materials, depending on the tile size (the narrower tiles require more aluminum tracks). But I don't think that includes installation. On the Trex website (a well-known composite deck supplier) they say that the labor cost for a professional to install a composite deck runs from $25-30 per square foot in addition to materials. So total is apparently (if I got the numbers right) about $50 per square foot installed (includes building the substructure of the deck, joists, etc).
Common Scenario. Wind knocks your patio umbrella over and a tile gets damaged. How hardy are these tiles, what happens when one breaks, how do you replace a broken tile?
Good questions! Our reinforced porcelain tile comes with a 4,500lb weight rating per slab. If one were to break, you could either opt to slide the row out and replace the tile or simply cut it out with a wet tile saw or grinder with a porcelain tile blade.
You probably used to watch "This Old House" and other garbage on TV, and they used to make you watch 15 minutes of commercials in a 30 minute span. And you paid a cable bill to do it. Stop crying.
Porcelain can be made to be very durable, way more than almost any other kind of tile. I don't think hail would be a problem, but if one dropped a very heavy object on it it might chip.
@@Mark-rw3kw I know it can be made to be very durable, but they don't mention that it is. They listed just about every other thing from heat to cold etc., that it can handle, but doesn't mention anything about hail, which is prevalent in a lot of states.
@@Mark-rw3kw So it would probably be very smart of them to add it to their list of things that their product can do since hail is a big thing in a lot of states
So the tiles and aluminum are $22-$25 per square foot, while the Deckorators Voyage line (some of the most expensive mineral based material) is $14 per square foot retail from Lowes, so contractors can probably get a better deal. So you're looking at $8 more at least per square foot than some of the most expensive composite. Not sure how they get to costs being comparable... but par for the course for sponsored videos.
Long term cost.......
The only thing you omitted that I would have liked to have seen was the edge treatment. Do they also make the border treatment? How does it install and intersect with the ends of the tiles?
I am guessing there is a border tile option or just use cedar or composite decking
Right around the 6:00 mark, they do show a wide shot with the edge detail already installed. I can't tell what it is, but looks like a wide frame.
that tyvek really bringing down the vibe....
After hearing 25 dollars a sq ft they couldn't afford Zip system lol
Whats tyvek and why is it bringing down the vibe?? New to home improvement.
Just did a porcelain tile terrace up in central Ontario, Canada. Love the durability for a cold climate. Using Romex permeable jointing compound between the tiles to keep the debris out - amazing stuff that can be pressure washed and lets the water through.
3:49 "...porcelain tile is _completely_ scratch _resistant."_ You gotta love a sales guy. Completely resistant things are my favorite kind of things.
This would be a nice porch for my double-wide. 😂
TLDR... $25/sqft for what's shown in the video! This is more than I would spend for indoor flooring and more than double the most expensive composite decking I could find. That's not surprising considering that it's a ridiculously thick (3/4") rectified porcelain.
Even if I had the money I don't think I'm a customer - who wants to walk on tile anyway, composite is sooo much nicer. If you're worried about scratching your composite or wood deck than you should probably just put on a VR headset so you can live in an imaginary perfect world.
that's what i was thinking, all good points
Maybe the price comes down eventually.
But it is AMERICAN made...
USA. USA. USA. 🇺🇸
Pure genius!
Glad you like it! Free samples and quotes!
I'll never be rich enough for 90% of the cool features I see on this show 😂😅😢
Joy to look at. Decks have a lot of upkeep so I'm sure there's a midpoint where it is worthwhile.
and?
not with that attitude
It’s so interesting to have this for your deck but using Tyvek housewrap
Think of it as investing and saving money--creating value in a home.
So many builders cost cut with standard "builder grade" products. And, they are inadvertently taking value out of the very thing they are trying to create and put added-value into.
Of course, once you build it, you have to sell it! How much effort does it take to explain why a fiber glass Pella window is better than a "Window World" plastic window? Or explaining why fiber cementious siding is better than vinyl siding?
Cool stuff. Those gaps @8:00 would drive me nuts though 🤣
Interesting product. I would look at this for sure, I have a project coming up next year.
What would attract me at 7,640’ in the Rockies is low UV damage.
The Build Show is the greatest TH-cam channel ever.
Mbrico tiles have a solar reflectance index between 60% and 80%, which means they absorb less heat and stay cooler to the touch! Mbrico has been installed in many projects in the Lake Tahoe, Salt Lake City, and other high-altitude areas.
I'm glad he noted slip resistance. Better than composite? Impressive. And he mentioned use as a cladding doe a rain screen system l.
Yes, I didn't watch yet, but this is my primary concern with tile. It might be slippery as f.😮
I’ve been renovating our family home, and found many new innovative products on TH-cam. This deck system could be my next find! Will have to see how pricing shakes out.
I found Stellar floating wood floors through TH-cam, and it was the best decision I made! This deck system could be incredible.
Love to hear it! Contact us for a free estimate or samples! Hope we can get Mbrico for your home!
stellar floating doesn't look right.. boards are off, uneven level with floor plain and looks unfinished and crude.
@@ML-ql5kjinteresting. Have any TH-cam videos or Reddit threads you can point to to support that assessment? Thanks.
@@luke9822 my eyes support that assessment. lolz.
My only concern is the varience in the heigh of the decking joists. I see several shims. So it makes me concerned on how it will manifest and the addtional labor needed to compensate
And it doesn't look very flat anyway. If a tile guy laid a tile that way I would say it's a fail.
@@UhOhUmmcame here to say this.
Great stuff. Content, product, Jason, Company story, and more. With steel or aluminum framing that's a forever deck.
Thank you! 🙌
For that ridiculous price it better last forever.
I want to use this product on my build in Alabama. I will mention it to Will King's crew and drafting crew. It will be used on the north side of the house in an area that will never receive direct sunlight. The mold resistant properties will be perfect. Thanks for the great product review.
This was a commercial, not a review lol.
Glad to hear! Hope you find a color that suits your project! Reach out for a free estimate!
Awesome stuff Matt! 😃👍🏼👊🏼 .... Seems like an awesome product/system, love that it's made in the USA! 🇺🇸
I think it's bomber.
Glad to hear! We are very proud to be made in the USA!
Just what I have been looking for. Something new. I’m sold!
Love to hear it! We offer free estimates and samples.
Their website is poor. I can only request a quote or a sample, they don't want to talk to me otherwise. What I want is a high-res image of the products, so I can see what they look like. Seems like that would be something I could find on their website, but nope.
nice product. curious about hail = interested in the rainscreen applications.
Former technical service manager for a domestic us tile producer with over 35 years of experience here. The ANSI A137.1 spec for porcelain is 0.5% or less for water absorption when tested using ASTM C373-18(2023) Test Method. Not 0.05% as stated by the installer.
Hi, great catch! ASTM C373 for Water Absorption international minimum qualifying standards for porcelain tile are 0.5% porosity, you are correct. However, Mbrico porcelain component 2cm average values test at 0.05% according to third party testing. Porcelain is a great non-porous material. Thanks!
@@MbricoTileDecksUSAoh wow! Good to know.
I want this product !!! Great episode, how am I not subscribed to your channel yet? Today is the day :)
Reach out for free estimates/samples!
Bomber must be a Texas saying? Great video
This is excellent!😊
Awesome! We offer free estimates and samples whenever you are ready!
11:20 really gives you a good picture of what to expect down the road after everything has seasoned for a few years. That looks awful, like a tile guy laid down tile on raw osb with drywall mud.
Those joists look huge. What dimension is being used?
Be nice to see how this "traction rating" actually works but nice installation system and love the different color options is pretty wild that😊😊
Over the years, thinking of swimming pools I’ve worked on, I’ve had to excavate below a flagstone deck for plumbing and electrical issues, also had similar issues with a large travertine patio/deck enclosure. Just wondering how this stuff holds up long term. And what’s the availability of parts long term.
I wonder how this would look after a winter of shoveling snow off it. With the lippage I see in the video, I bet it would hook the shovel a lot.
Second, if you’re ripping out a 16 year old Trex deck that has 2x12 joists, will those old joists support the weight of these titles or am I replacing with wider joists?
Seems great. No maintenance surface, without the plastic aspect of Trex.
Bomber system.
And, for locations in the wilderness, no fire risk.
@@richdobbs6595 minus the wood joist that it is attached to.
@@garrettclark2796 Yeah, but that isn't typically a path to start a house on fire in a wildfire risk area. It's embers falling on roofs or being sucked up into attics or vegetation against houses and fences. It would be pretty hard to see the joists being a major risk, and there is almost no alternative if the house is on a sloped site so that ground level patios aren't a direct replacement.
What they may find is through that frost cycle, the water sits in the grooves and then expands causing breakage. Great in a closed in space but, exposed to moisture and freezing, the risk is apparent.
I don’t agree. The open joints should mitigate any freeze damage issues.
11:20 tiles all different heights. But that is probably the builder.
After all they are putting this system on top of your typical wooden deck sub-system. Id image those hight differences will only get worse over the years as the wood gets seasoned. This would be a huge pass for me unless the subframe was aluminium or some sort of metal structure. And that point this no longer becomes a product but businesses.
Fantastic!
Glad you like it! We offer free estimates and samples.
What method of installment do you use on a concrete slab?
Railing systems. Does Mbrico have a line or some thoughts? I can't imagine drilling all of the holes through all of the porcelain tiles for the posts or possibly cutting around all of the posts if they were installed against the framing.
Sold. Where do I get it in Australia?
Gonna run you at least $50.00 US to get it there.
Tyvek on that high end home? 😮
Yeah that shit is junk
... They blew their waterproofing budget on the deck.
How does it hold up to impact? Being a deck, someone's going to drop something on it.
Also, is a heating system available to eliminate ice and snow in winter?
Get those installers some suction cups. Transforms handling large tiles. Really nice product.
Makes perfect sense for winter up north. Lol.
Right, good luck with a metal tipped shovel.
Wow, impressive.
Glad you think so! We offer free estimates and samples.
I would think a great substrate for this decking would be a metal structure like the one you showed a while back from Fortress or a similar i I’ve see from Outdure.
Yea putting this system on-top of a wood framed subsystem I feel completely negates the age at which they say this tile and track system will last.
Heavy tree cover with lots of debris? I normally do a significantly larger gap than 1/8" and in fact have sawn larger gaps on decks that get plugged up with debris.
Impact resistance? What happens if a decanter gets knocked off the table? What about roughhousing knocking over the table or ... ?
Composite sucks for direct sunlight this is cool.
Glad you like it! Reach out for free estimates/samples.
@ I wish we would have known before building a deck last year with composite, they warned of the heat but frankly if it’s not covered from the sun it’s way to hot to relax on during the mid afternoon especially.
Amazing product! The rep had a few flaws in his description of rectified porcelain. Rectified porcelain is based on the exact cutting of the material edge & size variance. Not calibration/thickness. The thousands of inches the rep is referring to are the size variance. Not the thickness or cupping. All porcelain, regardless of being rectified, has considerable cupping. Especially when the tiles get longer. There company definitely has a process that laminates the tile to the backer that decreases the cupping. Cupping leads to lippage. That's why other companies produced the anti-lippage clip systems/ also called leveling system too help with the longer, wider porcelain tile & rectified porcelain tile. Just FYI....Porosity in the tile industry is referred to viturios, semi viturios & non-viturios. KOKO!
Check out tile for garage floor. The heavy duty industrial stuff is awesome
I swear I saw these on the roof at Adobe in San Jose...
미국영상중에 이런거 사용하는거 처음 보내 ㅎ ㅎ 늘 나무로만 하든데 왠일로 좋은 바닥재료 사용하내 ㅎ ㅎ
How about 2nd floor deck, with no drainage under? Currently, copper
Very nice stuff.
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Thanks for the visit
Great product. I wish companies would stop the "Lifetime Warranty/Guarantee" pitch. There is no validity to those claims due to the fact if they go out of business in 5, 10, 15, years etc., who honors that claim???
So what warranty duration should they advertise instead?
It's up to the consumer to take that into consideration (how long the company will be in business). In reality, for any kind of tile job (or even wood flooring) one should just order some excess tiles/planks and store them. Even with a warranty, as in any type of product, they probably can't guarantee color match over a long period of time.
I will
Could maybe fade if taking major sun, that would make things hard to match no matter what but seems unlikely so definitely critical to have extras@Mark-rw3kw
Lifetime of the business/product, not your lifetime.
I also wonder how important is maintaining the level of the deck flooring joists to make the installation work?
11:16 Kinda looks like crap, tbh. The unevenness is crazy.
Yep, looks terrible.
I don’t know that much but I’m trying to learn. How does the deck deal with expansion and contraction of the deck frame?
Wood has an extremely low coefficient of expansion and contraction. Roughly 1/6th that of Trex Composite decking. You don’t need to allow for much movement if you keep it dry.😊
Very cool, thanks for bringing us this information.
Matt was well compensated (by the manufacturer and sponsor of this video) for bringing us this information.
$20-$25/sqft Ouch! Whats its resistance to something being dropped on it like a cast iron pan? Might not scratch but how easy will it shatter?
Great question! Our reinforced porcelain tile is weight rated for 4,500lb per slab!
We need a fence plank option for fire zone regions where we can no longer have wood fencing near our homes.
Is there a thinner version for using indoors?
Yes, they call it “tile”
We do offer matching indoor applications!
seems like it requires a very beefy structure below. wonder how it would perform on a deck 10’ off the ground with joist on beam. seems like the tile would crack due to excessive movement or the joist would need to be glue lam or something with tight spacing.
Our tiles and systems are designed to go on any deck built up to conventional code and are reinforced for a weight-rating of 4,500 lbs per slab.
So. I live in Norway. -30C or worse and snow falling from the roof, how much abuse can these tiles take? And, what happens if one breaks, can it be replaced? Assuming this isn't water tight?
Freeze/Thaw tested for 60 years of cycling at temps nearing -60F (~ -50C) with no visible change reported! Each order comes with some extra and a lifetime warranty!
Three non permeable surfaces are super slick when wet. And quite dangerous not to mention expensive.
Very nice for decks and Roofs+ :=D
what about foundation/ deck settling?
Hard to find an architect in the greater Cleveland area looking for blueprints
I wonder about it cracking in heavy hail. We get huge hail in my part of Colorado. I built an ipe deck on last home, it was amazing!
Our reinforced porcelain tiles are weight rated for 4,500lbs per slab!
I was thinking about this for a while. Not only this, but making the deck from concrete to begin with. Wood and composite are getting too hot on the sun.
Honestly a pretty cool product but super out of my price range. You guys can find me and Floor and Decor buying some $2/sqft tiles for my house lol. My previous house's master bath literally cost $0.25/sqft (and they were beautiful). Very different product but do people really need a 1000th of an in tolerances?
Does it crack if stomped on by a linebacker? What is the repair process?
What happens if you drop a hammer?
You fall through to your death 😂😂
Porcelin can be made to be very durable. Don't forget, toilets are made of porcelain.
I had this question too. Wood or composite are pretty flexible and resilient to dropped objects or sharp impacts. Harder materials in my mind would tend to not do as well as they’d break or shatter more easily. If this can sustain a majority of the common ownership accidents that’s fine but would like to see a side by side test.
@@ALMX5DP Porcelain tile is probably the hardest and most durable flooring one can buy. It is far more durable than any natural tile or stone used around pools or walkways, and obviously much more durable than wood or composite wood. In fact, one of the disadvantages of porcelain is that if you drop something on it, whatever you drop is likely to break, even though the tile remains unharmed. Although this video showed porcelain being used on a raised deck, it is probably most often used on surface grade instead of a stone or tile. for both interior and exterior applications.
My concern is water getting in the joints and freezing. That sounds like a recipe for spaling.
It’s free draining. Shouldn’t be an issue.
Is there any reason I shouldn't I put this on floor joists and grout the gaps indoors?
Price
More expensive for the materials a lot heavier ices up in the winter suspect to breaks
I like the concept, but the finished product didn't look particularly even. The joists would have to be perfectly straight for this to be dead level and good luck with that. For me, the whole point of a hard deck with mortar, would be easy cleaning and leaf/debris removal. With these gaps, small particulates are just going to build up and become visible.
11 separate patents? Sounds very expensive. Maybe someday when mere mortals can afford.
Would love to provide a free estimate!
If I’m going to spend that much for flooring - might as well be real stuff - I doubt these will last and look as nice in a few years. IPE / teak has proven to be timeless.
This must cost a bajillion dollars! Look at the company guy's pool... This is unrealistic to a normal homeowner.
That wasn't the owners house. They stated the deck being installed was roughly $25/sq ft.
I missed that and can't find it in the video, did he say that's $25/sqft for the whole deck, or just the rails and tiles? Something like this might be approachable for normal people once their patents run out.
@@SomeUserNameBlahBlah He did say $25 per square foot, but not sure if that is installation included. He said it comparable to composite decking like Trek. According to the Trek website, the cost of materials and labor is each about $25 per square foot, so maybe $50 per square foot installed?
trippy, but i like it
I went with 2x6 treated board & PINE TAR stain for my 48' W x 16' deep full sun wrap around deck. Why?.... Because I could resurface that deck with new wood 3x vs the cost of the composite and probably 4x vs this tile.
And that is BEFORE i factor in that when the 2x6 wears on the surface there is PLENTY of meat left to flip & rescrew it down & stain. The Pine Tar deck stain will make that wood wear & last INCREDIBLY long compared to traditional stain on wood.
IF aesthetically, this is worth the money, I 100% understand. Get the look you want. But if wood will look good and ESPECIALLY if it is covered? I am baffled as to why anyone would eat the cost of 5 decks upfront. The hastle of resurfacing vs the high cost of this or composite is a no brainer. And, god help you if you have to replace pieces down the road and that style/color is out of production or has changed.
No explanation on how it fastens on the tiles that are cut. (Around posts, against house, etc)
Strange to see them using stainless screws for the aluminum track, they will react with each other . Really cool system though, looks great I must try get a sample
Good point. You are correct that galvanic corrosion can occur between aluminum and stainless steel if exposed to water. Apparently the aluminum will degrade, not the stainless steel, and on this system the aluminum tracks are probably substantial enough to not be a big issue. It would be a bigger issue if the stainless steel screws deteriorated instead of the tracks. But there is probably nothing to prevent one from using aluminum screws instead of the ones recommended by the manufacturer, although they might not be as strong as stainless steel, which could be a reason for not using aluminum. Another option would be to fill the holes with silicone caulk or washer before inserting the screws to maybe provide some degree of separation between the aluminum and stainless steel.
@@Mark-rw3kwyeah for sure. Grk #9 screws would work great. Also the treated wood joist has to have deck tape so it doesn’t corrode the aluminum .
Nice. But using Tyvek is a crime when you could have used Henry's Bluskin Self-Adhesive Air and Vapor Barrier Membrane. I would fire anyone who does not know what it is.
If I were the tile manufacturer and following this comment thread (and they are because I've already seen one reply), I'd be responding to all of the comments here.
This is cool and i like the look, but how is this just as expensive as a high end composite? I've never seen a 6 inch 20 foot long composite board cost $200.
Only negative is that it's not water permeable if used as a paver. Otherwise cool product.
So if some of the tiles eventually break you have to replace the entire deck because that particular collection has been retired? I'd better use wooden boards.
The same is true of other types of decks installed with hidden fasteners (wood, composite, or porcelain tile). However, they did explain how you can replace a single damage tile by cutting off the flange and gluing it in. This is basically the same method used for replaced strips of tongue and grove wood flooring that have been damaged. As far as color match, yes you should order and store spare quantities of the flooring in case of breakage or damage. This is true of any kind of pre-finished flooring or carpet.
Amazing product. I suppose the durability, fit, maintenance free aspect, and finish would have to be seriously considered vs cost. Horizontal exterior surfaces get punished in all environments. Imagine simple cleaning as only maintenance. Only concern is breaking a tile and the work to replace.
Glad you like it! To quell the breaking concerns, our reinforced tile is weight rated for 4,500lbs per slab!
The salmonarealready running upstream.
It looks awe$ome. I wonder how expen$ive this install was.
According to the video, maybe about the same as a high-end composite deck install. I think he said between $21 and $24 per square foot for the materials, depending on the tile size (the narrower tiles require more aluminum tracks). But I don't think that includes installation. On the Trex website (a well-known composite deck supplier) they say that the labor cost for a professional to install a composite deck runs from $25-30 per square foot in addition to materials. So total is apparently (if I got the numbers right) about $50 per square foot installed (includes building the substructure of the deck, joists, etc).
Where does all the water go, and if its off the top, where does all the dust/silt go? Dirt for grout lines
There are 1/8” gaps between each tile to allow for water drainage and for dirt to pass through.
Seems like a good material to slip on
They claim it is slip resistant. You could order a sample and try it out.
ADA-approved for skid-resistance! Great for docks, oceanside, and pools. We offer free samples!
Common Scenario. Wind knocks your patio umbrella over and a tile gets damaged. How hardy are these tiles, what happens when one breaks, how do you replace a broken tile?
Good questions! Our reinforced porcelain tile comes with a 4,500lb weight rating per slab. If one were to break, you could either opt to slide the row out and replace the tile or simply cut it out with a wet tile saw or grinder with a porcelain tile blade.
i like it, but thats too expensive.
Question.....so why can't you just use it indoors?
Stone?
Well, I guess if you have an elevated deck then tile is better than stone.
Stamped concrete may be better as well.
I feel like id rather walk on wood composite barefoot than tile~
Good point, but this is apparently used in places like around pools, etc, where a stone tile would otherwise be used.
Our porcelain tile stays cooler to the touch than mainstream decking options and is ADA-approved for skid-resistance. Would love to send a sample!
Getting to the point where I'm not going to watch 2 ads to watch this channel.
When the video your watching is also an add
You probably used to watch "This Old House" and other garbage on TV, and they used to make you watch 15 minutes of commercials in a 30 minute span. And you paid a cable bill to do it. Stop crying.
I started paying for TH-cam last year, I could never go back
ublock for desktop, revanced for phone, patreon or equivalent for channels I actually feel the urge to support.
@@Mutation666 Eh they patented it and every person developing building tech always wants to make it for sale.
In a cold climate, not sure about this.
Our reinforced porcelain tiles are non-porous and were freeze/thaw tested for 60 years of cycles at nearly -60F with "no visible change" reported!
I didn't see how it handles Hail or if it can?
Porcelain can be made to be very durable, way more than almost any other kind of tile. I don't think hail would be a problem, but if one dropped a very heavy object on it it might chip.
@@Mark-rw3kw It is much more likely the heavy object will break/chip than the tile. Rectified porcelain is crazy strong.
@@Mark-rw3kw I know it can be made to be very durable, but they don't mention that it is. They listed just about every other thing from heat to cold etc., that it can handle, but doesn't mention anything about hail, which is prevalent in a lot of states.
@@kitanul788 There is no way hail would damage porcelain tile. I am not saying it would never break, but not from hail.
@@Mark-rw3kw So it would probably be very smart of them to add it to their list of things that their product can do since hail is a big thing in a lot of states
Jason’s kinda cute, NGL
Is that tyvek🤔