I actually ended up building a deck with Sai, Master Thopterist as the commander *because* I kept noticing how all the previous iterations of blue artifact decks always had him included as one of the best (support) cards in the deck. Now with him at the helm, I just know that nearly every card I play comes with a free thopter on the side.
@mathimus55 I have a long word you should add to your repertoire for brownie points: sesquipedalian. It's an adjective meaning containing multiple syllables, but it literally translates to "foot and a half long", as in "foot and a half long words."
When I first started deck building commander, I was drawn to voltron strategies because the support cards were the win condition. Doing the thing meant making your commander a lethal threat. I got away from Voltron because of the trend of killing off one opponent and then losing the game an hour later. But I still have 3 Voltron decks and a few decks that often kill a player incidentally with commander damage.
This is a top conversation. Totally relevant. Can't count the amount of decks I've played against where it's clear (just taking this narrative one step further), the builder isn't even sure what their win con is. Went down the rabbit hole of the theme of the deck.
44:11 something my pod likes to do is borrow each other’s deck if we want to see how it works or are looking at a similar strategy to see if we like it but found it helps see what the deck needs to function (discard, mill, sac outlets, etc)
I would challenge the stats on some of the artifact support cards that trigger off of artifact cast triggers like Sai, Master Thopterist or Efficient Construction. Many artifact decks don't "cast" many artifacts and instead use methods like reanimation or artifact token producers that aren't artifacts themselves to populate the battlefield with artifacts.
My favorite example of this is the entire "Aristocrats" archetype Nowdays when people think aristocrats they think "Blood Artist" or "Zulaport Cuthtroath", any of those "When X dies do Y" efects, but when the deck was first named (during the Innistrad-Ravnica Standar) the name refered to "Falkenrath Aristocrat" and "Cartel Aristocrat", both of whom are free sac outlets... So eventualy the Support cards overshadowed the cards the deck was actually named after
For my Galadriel, Light of Valinor deck, my favorite support cards are creatures like Tendershoot Dryad and Illustrious Wanderlyph that make a token on every upkeep so I can take full advantage of Galadriel's triggered ability. For Marvo, Deep Operative, any card that allows me to manipulate the top card of my library is an all-star.
I'm not in the discord, but if someone wants a Challenge the Stats suggestion: Animation Module in Black Panther, Wakandan King is in ~5% of decks, but because its trigger cares about counters put on "permanents" not creatures, and Black Panther triggers whenever a creature enters, you can basically pay X to create X servos and put X counters on target land whenever you play a creature.
I love the Ich-Tekik and Malcolm deck. My favorite weird deck is my Ich-Tekik and Keskit golem tribal deck, i added in some stuff to get value from like ichor wellspring/solemn simulacrum/etc. and then whatever golem artificiers were in BG because it was just so fun to build a BG artifact deck and have access to great card selection when stuff might die
So I've been watching the channel for a few years now, always known Matt is the Selesnya guy. Everyone has their faults. Was looking up some Ravnica lore the other day and read about Mat'Selesnya. Epiphany moment 😂
I built a Dragons approach deck with Ojer Axonil as the helm commander. It also helps to recur Ojer axonil from being a land consistently since dragons approach is dealing at least 9 damage consistently.
Seems like a large swing on "what's a support card". They're the not sexy, boring cards but also Anointed Procession and Cathars Crusade are support cards? Those two seem like pay off to me
Is this the new thing all the cool kids are saying now? I'm seeing it everywhere lately. 6 months ago it was the, 'babe, new video from X just dropped!'.
I actually ended up building a deck with Sai, Master Thopterist as the commander *because* I kept noticing how all the previous iterations of blue artifact decks always had him included as one of the best (support) cards in the deck. Now with him at the helm, I just know that nearly every card I play comes with a free thopter on the side.
@mathimus55 I have a long word you should add to your repertoire for brownie points: sesquipedalian. It's an adjective meaning containing multiple syllables, but it literally translates to "foot and a half long", as in "foot and a half long words."
When I first started deck building commander, I was drawn to voltron strategies because the support cards were the win condition. Doing the thing meant making your commander a lethal threat. I got away from Voltron because of the trend of killing off one opponent and then losing the game an hour later. But I still have 3 Voltron decks and a few decks that often kill a player incidentally with commander damage.
This is a top conversation. Totally relevant. Can't count the amount of decks I've played against where it's clear (just taking this narrative one step further), the builder isn't even sure what their win con is. Went down the rabbit hole of the theme of the deck.
44:11 something my pod likes to do is borrow each other’s deck if we want to see how it works or are looking at a similar strategy to see if we like it but found it helps see what the deck needs to function (discard, mill, sac outlets, etc)
I would challenge the stats on some of the artifact support cards that trigger off of artifact cast triggers like Sai, Master Thopterist or Efficient Construction. Many artifact decks don't "cast" many artifacts and instead use methods like reanimation or artifact token producers that aren't artifacts themselves to populate the battlefield with artifacts.
My favorite example of this is the entire "Aristocrats" archetype
Nowdays when people think aristocrats they think "Blood Artist" or "Zulaport Cuthtroath", any of those "When X dies do Y" efects, but when the deck was first named (during the Innistrad-Ravnica Standar) the name refered to "Falkenrath Aristocrat" and "Cartel Aristocrat", both of whom are free sac outlets...
So eventualy the Support cards overshadowed the cards the deck was actually named after
For my Galadriel, Light of Valinor deck, my favorite support cards are creatures like Tendershoot Dryad and Illustrious Wanderlyph that make a token on every upkeep so I can take full advantage of Galadriel's triggered ability.
For Marvo, Deep Operative, any card that allows me to manipulate the top card of my library is an all-star.
I'm not in the discord, but if someone wants a Challenge the Stats suggestion: Animation Module in Black Panther, Wakandan King is in ~5% of decks, but because its trigger cares about counters put on "permanents" not creatures, and Black Panther triggers whenever a creature enters, you can basically pay X to create X servos and put X counters on target land whenever you play a creature.
Support cards are the accessories to your outfit. They tie the whole ensemble together.
I love the Ich-Tekik and Malcolm deck. My favorite weird deck is my Ich-Tekik and Keskit golem tribal deck, i added in some stuff to get value from like ichor wellspring/solemn simulacrum/etc. and then whatever golem artificiers were in BG because it was just so fun to build a BG artifact deck and have access to great card selection when stuff might die
So I've been watching the channel for a few years now, always known Matt is the Selesnya guy. Everyone has their faults.
Was looking up some Ravnica lore the other day and read about Mat'Selesnya. Epiphany moment 😂
I built a Dragons approach deck with Ojer Axonil as the helm commander. It also helps to recur Ojer axonil from being a land consistently since dragons approach is dealing at least 9 damage consistently.
Did enjoy Joey’s strange British accent moment
I am kinda hoping the hare apparent decks in Arena Brawl chill out a little or I’m gonna have to switch from green blue to green red
Yeah, the Black Friday Death Count website hasn't been updated in years. I think COVID kinda killed off the mad rushes we used to get.
Seems like a large swing on "what's a support card". They're the not sexy, boring cards but also Anointed Procession and Cathars Crusade are support cards? Those two seem like pay off to me
Nalfeshnee (tits mcgee) is an all star in my averna the chaos bloom deck
29 views in 1 minute bro fell off
Is this the new thing all the cool kids are saying now? I'm seeing it everywhere lately.
6 months ago it was the, 'babe, new video from X just dropped!'.