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The Final Triple Core Processor: AMD Phenom II X3 B77
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I use a Phenom II X6 1090T BE until today, since 2010, and it continues to run all I need with good performance. The only thing I couldn’t run with this processor is the PS3 emulator. It’s a very good processor. I’m a fan of Phenom II because it has a very good longevity. I wish to upgrade to some 7nm Ryzen in the future.
Great cpu!
That's going to be a wait.
Where d you get your games for the ps3 emulator
Congrats, man. It's always good to see someone sticking with their hardware until it's truly too slow for normal use. You will probably be able to get a 16 core Ryzen 3000 CPU for $400 or something and use that thing for another 10 years.
Pistigrilo I couldn't agree more my friend, the 6 core Phenom CPUs are still great options on a tight budget. It's actually what I used to build the PC that introduced my other half to PC gaming, the 1055t specifically. She would still be running it without issue if not for the lack of SSE4.1 support for Dead Rising 4, so I have since given her my old Haswell platform.
For those that missed it in chat:
This Phenom 2 was made in the 41st week of 2012 (October 8, 2012 - October 14, 2012).
The silicon wafer was exposed in the Texas fab and the chip was assembled at the Penang ATMP (Assembly Test Mark & Pack) facility.
12 41 *P* enan *G* *T* exas
They were made from 2009 until 2012.
This stepping "CACDC AC" is a much later improved model. Most were AACAC AC.
Former military myself, military class means 2 things
It's cheap and crappy
And it's meant to be replaced not repaired
While AMD had a Fab in Texas (Fab 25), I'm pretty sure that one got spun off to Spansion and only did Flash since the mid 2000s. After that all AMD production went to Fab 30 in Dresden, Germany - the "Diffused in Germany" stems from there. Of course, in 2012 AMD had no fabs at all, and AMD's Fab 30 had since become Fab 1 of GlobalFoundries, which produces stuff down to 28nm (up to AMD's Excavator based Bristol Ridge). Nowadays, AMD's Zen-based CPUs are produced in GlobalFoundries Fab 2 (Malta, New York), tested in Dresden and assembled in China.
I wonder if they include any Chinese transistors. ;)
I still have a Phenom II x3 720 in my garage, my son was gaming on it back in 2014 and at that time it wasn’t bad at all. He had it paired with an HD7850 and his system performed very well.
I must be getting old as I still remember these things being cutting edge, I was still rocking an Athlon XP thinking "these multi-cored processors will never take off".
The first PC I ever tinkered with was a socket A machine. Took it from a Duron 1.2 ghz with a tiny amount of SD RAM to an athlon XP 2000+ with 1GB of DDR1. I was so proud of myself :-)
Ah yes RAM upgrades were actually something to get excited about in those days, especially when Windows XP came out and we suddenly realized that our 256mb of SD RAM wasn't going to cut it. You still got that machine?
@@uK8cvPAq I finally scrapped it earlier this year with a house move. I'd robbed the RAM sticks a year previously to upgrade a skt 754 PC that was going to Africa. I did a whole pallet of machines for the charity and it seemed like a worthy cause.
Before that it was a dedicated HDD formatting and partitioning station for my various projects. It sat for years with all the sides off and a Linux boot disk in the optical drive. Once I didn't need to play with IDE drives it became truly redundant.
It was a bit sad but I don't get time for hobbies anymore.
Did you miss the dual and quad core CPUs by Intel and AMD? By the time triple cores came out, a few years later, multi-cores including quad cores had been around for a while and it was clear that the extra cores were beneficial.
Good on you for still rocking the Athlon XP in 2009. Kinda of surprised you didn't see the benefits multi-core processing by then.
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but don't many of these PC's which end up in Africa get burned by the locals for the raw materials?
Next video about core unlocking.
Also you really dont need to up the multiplier with phenom II cpu's, all you need to do is bumb the BCLK to 250mhz and make sure other components run at stocks speeds while the cpu is 3.8 - 4ghz or higher.
stock voltages should suffice nicely.
Why 250mhz? Well the phenoms benefit greatly of the faster bus speeds, and with 250 all the multipliers "sync" so that you can still achieve stock speeds for ram, chipset etc
This is true. Both Phenom and Core 2 benefit greatly from increased Bus speed.
"bumb the BCLK" may I ask, what this means?
@@blastshieldaddiction BCLK is the "background clock" or the "base clock", akin to the Front Side Bus (FSB) in older systems....
Every other clock is derived from this... including RAM clock, CPU clock, HTT bus clock, port clocks etc.
Phenom II also get performance boosts from overclocking memory subsystem. Minimum 1600Mhz on RAM and 2600Mhz on NB. Really good performance reached when ram is 2000Mhz and NB is 3000mhz.
Also a video about undervolting. Most AM3 CPUs come with 1.3 - 1.4 V default voltage and could work stable at 1.15 - 1.2 V.
AM3 was a great platform, had a lot of fun tinkering with it. It deserves more love, IMO :-)
The best AM3 chip I have is a 2.3GHz Athlon X2 5200+. Despite sharing a name with an older K8 Athlon, the AM3 5200+ is a 45nm dual-core built from a harvested C3 Deneb die. I was super lucky as the one I have unlocks to a full quad-core with L3 cache and has no issues with high overclocks.
After unlocking/overclocking it went from:
Athlon X2 5200+ 2.3GHz, 2C, no L3
to:
Phenom FX 5200 3.75GHz, 4C, 6MB L3, 2800MHz HT/IMC
The great thing about AM3/Phenom II is that you don't really need an unlocked multiplier if you have the right board. The 5200+ had a locked multiplier of 11.5 but it wasn't a problem - good boards would allow up to ~330 reference clock. 326 * 11.5 = 3749MHz :D
That chip is rock solid, too. I had that thing running folding@home at 3.75GHz for the best part of year with no instability.
@@christopherjames9843 like I said, there's a AM2/K8 chip with the same name, but the one I'm referring to is a real AM3/45nm part.
The model code is:
AD5200OCK22GM
Look it up on cpu-world :)
@@christopherjames9843 It's an AM3 (DDR3) chip that's backwards compatible with AM2+ (DDR2) 👍
@Molly D No, it isn't - look up AD5200OCK22GM on cpu-world.
There is an older model with the same name, but it's a totally different chip.
The old K8 model is ADO5200IAA5DO
The newer K10 model is AD5200OCK22GM
Here's a 7 year old Geekbench result on my account:
browser.geekbench.com/geekbench2/484096
Russell White thanks for the backup 👍🏻
Back in the day you could buy a Phenom II x3 and unlock the 4th core with some motherboards. I think the motherboard has to have the 890GX chipset. If the 4th core worked you had a quad core for the price of a triple. There were some issues, though, like increased power draw and sometimes the 4th core just didn't work. Cheers!
I did this ! :) AMD x3 425 unlocked and overlocked into AMD x4 b25 stable at 2.9. AMD never sold B25. but B25 is what CPU-z / windows would label the cpu.
This was a really nice informative video. Thank you for uploading.
my father uses one of these till this day for his office work.
yeah why not
Still a perfect everyday use chip today, if gaming or content creation isn’t what you need to do, its perfect for web browsing and lighter tasks
I think a medium range Pentium D would still be enough for office tasks 😊
Awesome, these tri core chips make fantastic daily use machines, and with a low resource OS like Mint with the Mate or XFCE edition, and they even run fine on a board with DDR2 ram, just make sure it's 8GB of 800Mhz DDR2 for the best performance, and pair it with a GPU like a low power AMD R7 240 2GB which can be had for really cheap these days. In fact on Mint Mate or XFCE you can still game fairly well with a lot of titles in STEAM with STEAM Play turned on. Granted Mint Mate/XFCE both take a bit of setting up with the compositor going from Compiz which is the default of Compton for no screen tearing, and installing Ukuu for the latest Linux Kernels for better open source AMD GPU drivers. Last I should mention Mint 19 is an LTS release with support threw 2023.
My school and now university has a lot of old Phenom machines still in use. They are all quad core ones.
Cool videos. Please keep them coming.
Thank you!
Good video Phil. The Phenom II is a good chip. Quite underrated. And has aged quite well. Recently did a Win10 Budget build with the X4 965 BE. 3.4 GHz. On a good Asrock AM2+ (AMD 780 chipset) with 16gig DDR2-800. Had no issues feeding the GTX 1050 Ti and taking on Fortnite at High/Epic settings.
(Intel actually need an i5-2400 to beat the X4 965BE chip (or an OC'ed i5 from LGA1156)
125 watt about as fast as a 65 watt i3 2130 although much slower single thread lol
The best thing about AM3 is that it is so versatile - there's a wide range of CPUs for the socket and many chipsets (some even from nVidia!). I remember upgrading from an Athlon II X4 635 to an i5 4460 and not feeling like I got a good deal, at least at the time. It also gave me my first experiences of building a PC, when I upgraded the system's graphics card and had to transplant it to a new case and power supply just so it would fit.
Yup, agreed. So much you can do with this platform.
This belongs in a computer history museum. It can still run older games greatly. If any computer had no purpose, it wouldn't be made. There is always some form of purpose for all builds, even if they stop working (for historical references or materials).
I used the AM3 platform as my main computer with a Phenom II 550 dual core and it unlocked to a quad core, never disappointed with its performance, served me very well, was one of the better AMD platforms, played any game I threw at it and was pretty good value for money, what more could you ask? the only slight problem was AMDs single thread performance wasn't quite up to Intels which caused a slight performance hit in single threaded titles but nothing terrible. good luck with the unlocking.....
I used to have one of these, an Athlon II x3. Had 8 GB of RAM and a Radeon HD 7570. Used it for years as a budget gaming PC, sold it for $250 a couple years ago. It actually started life as an Acer OEM SFF system with an Athlon II x2 with 4 GB of RAM and a GeForce 210. Over the years I slowly upgraded it eventually migrating it to an aftermarket board and case, I kinda miss that computer it was a nice little machine.
i had the 1055T and it was fantastic, it was handed down to a family member and it has been used from launch until last year
Here in the US military grade means "made as cheaply as possible by the lowest bidder."
lol, lowest initial bid by the most generous lobbyist. Once they get their foot in the door then it becomes a race to produce the most overpriced white elephant to date.
The fact remains, the stuff is made at the lowest possible cost.
Still needs to meet specifications though.
I still use a Phenom II X4 920, one of the first Phenom II. It's still a great cpu!
I remember this one. It was only AM2+ with the high end 940. It doesn't have DDR3 support.
I would love to see a 2018 6-Core Thuban Phenom II review … Those chips had the highest IPC of all the AMD chips up till Ryzen, even surpassing the FX...makes you wonder why they didn't make an octa-core Thuban chip...would have been EPIC
6-Core Deneb does not exist IIRC. Denebs are 4-core, Thubans are 6-core.
Arti9m Thank you. Didn't realize I did that. Edited.
When AMD released the FX series I was too sad with it and I thought that another generations of Phenom would be a better idea. Maybe a Phenom III 6-core with 9MB or 12MB L3 and new instructions (SSE 4.1, AVX, etc) in 32nm and a powerful Phenom IV 8-core with 16MB L3 in 22nm. I'd have one of these 8-core in 22nm. I'm still with an old Phenom II X6 1090T BE and I want to buy a Ryzen in the future. (P.S.: I hate FX! I'd buy an Intel in the place of this crapy thing!)
@@PistigriloXP actually phenom iix6 is 32nm. Fx also 32nm. Amd never made 22nm, only intel does. Ryzen straight to 14nm
Please don't make premieres anymore, they just let me forget that the Video is going to be released
Same here. I can't watch them til they get processed into regular videos anyway.
That is a pretty impresive performance for its age.
Woud be interesting to see how it performes in GTA 5
Nino Joel that's a good question
GTA 5 is a pretty old game that was released not long after this CPU. It wouldn't really be much of relevant modern test.
For a few years an Athlon II X3 455 was my main CPU and it ran valiantly. It was a total gem of a chip, unlocking to a Phenom II X4 B55 *and* would overclock while unlocked to around 3.8GHz, so certainly a nice performance boost from factory. The only downside was the CPU thermal sensor behaved kinda odd when unlocked, reading ~30C higher than reality (the motherboard's socket sensor confirmed this). That chip now resides in my HTPC and does a great job, though just as a tri-core now.
Cool video! a little suggestion: you should do more amd cpu reviews. they are a great alternative to intel cpus and sometimes they are faster and even cheaper. You could review some athlon 64 x2 or some fx :)
When I was in college (2012, I think?) I found a dumpster on campus filled with "broken" HP Compaqs, 14 of them? Something like that? Threw them all in my car and found all but two had a bad PSU and all of them had Phenom II x3 b73 processors. They had stupid proprietary mobos so I bought an AM3 mobo to mess with them. I don't remember numbers, but the vast majority I was able to unlock the 4th core, some even overclocked decently, and some didn't even have their worst core disabled! I sold off all the parts on Craigslist except the best one, which I ended up trading for a X4 970 that a guy got for a build not realizing that his mobo only supports up to 95W. That was my first AMD system and I still have yet to own another Intel desktop.
i remember some amd boards could “unlock” the other cores. it wasn’t a guaranteed to work. it basically tried to use the disabled core because some of the disabled cores are in full working order and were just disabled to fill the odd core count supply. it happened again with the amd fury gpus. some people figured out that they could do some modifications with the board and they got the full size fury core.
Mine works but its run hotter
I bought a 955 be back in September 2009. I remember the x3 720 was seen as a great budget option at the time. I had issues over clocking bit, only got 3.6 GHz out of it. Still have my 955be in pieces, hmm maybe time to rebuild it, just need a case to put it in.
I have Athlon II X3 435 2.9 GHz which unlocks to relatively stable Phenom II X4 (so +1 core, +6 MB L3 cache), but I'm running it now as 3 core, undervolted with 0.1 V from BIOS - pretty cool chip. Only the SATA2 controller is quite slow but with a ADATA SU650 SSD PC behaves like a new system.
Back in day I had Athlon II X3 460 (3,4 GHz) but I only unlocked 4th core. My friend who bought this model in almost same time was less luck and his 4th core don't work stable.
Why not unlocked and undervolted at same time?
@@weest044 That PC is now used by my parents for browsing and light office work, they do not need that extra performance :)
I have a small form factor hp with a triple core black edition phenom and an HD8570 I plan to setup for XP and RetroArch
I am suprised to see how good the performance is on modern titles. At the time these chips were a second and mostly budget choice in comparison to higher end Core 2 Duo and Core 2 Quad CPU's. When the Core i5 and i7 CPU's came out they were completely outclassed but it seems like it would have been a good investment at the time.
AMD also made a few models of 6 core Phenom II CPU's. It would be interesting to see what the performance is like on them.
Yea Strange Brigade runs better than Crysis :D
I've been tempted to get into AM3/AM3+, because I got given a Sempron 140+its stock cooler, as well as an FX8350 stock cooler.
just remember tha am3 boards dont support an fx (there is one or 2 that support but its rare), you will need at least a board with a 970 chipset to match that 8350, or a cheap board wit a lot of heatsinks on the vrms and fans.
even today, CPU clock speed is more important than core count for PC gaming, although we seem to be at the tail end of this as games finally become more multithreaded.
We will look at that soon :D
Who would've thought that a defect in one of 4 cores in a package would span its own line-up and inspire a midrange CPU line-up that continues to this day with hexa-core Ryzens and 12/24-core ThreadRippers? (Phenom X3 -> Phenom II X3 -> FX 6xxx - > Ryzen 5 x600/ThreadRipper x920).
One thing to say about the Business-class Phenom IIs, is that nearly all of them have healthy locked cores. In order to provide maximum stability in corporate environments and to have enough stock in the lower-tier chips, B Phenoms are almost always perfect Deneb dies with locked cores, so they unlock perfectly. I unlocked many B53s and B55s from X2 to X4 with 100% success.
So yeah, Phil, try it out, besides, between unlocking and overclocking, Phenom II is fun, and I think it was the very last time we had that level of tinkering in a desktop platform. (Which is one of the reasons why all in all, up until Zen, Phenom II was for me the very best AMD had ever offered)
If you had followed the tech of the day it would be less surprising. There were tons of processors back in the day that were just literally the same, but with different cores disabled or clocks changed. Occasionally there were even hacks / tricks you could do to get those cores or speed back!
I have an X4 810 (the Deneb’s with 2mb cache disabled) and I managed to unlock the _defective_ cache and turned it into a full Deneb chip
>inspire a midrange CPU line-up that continues to this day with hexa-core Ryzens and 12/24-core ThreadRippers?
Hex core Ryzen is probably a binned part, but the different core count threadripper parts are not.
Threadripper is a McM (multi chip module) with multiple CPU dies. The number of cores will directly determine the number of dies on the package.
GGigabiteM I never implied Bulldozer and Zen featured defective dies, in fact, AMD’s solution for die harvesting in the Phenom era was to envision a modular architecture, which is why you can’t unlock anything on FX and Ryzen/ThreadRipper chips.
What I implied is that the existence of the Triple-Core Phenoms was a good business opportunity for AMD, as it gave them leeway to offer a mid-range model in the Phenom, which evolved into a mid-range offer into FX and Zen-based chips.
@@christopherjames9843 They have been cut off but they are still there? Like the emperor's new clothes?
I have the X2 black edition and a gigabyte board with core unlock which I bought together to get a cheap quad core chip back then. Still running at work at the moment for service work but I have been considering replacing the machine to bring those parts back home here. The disabled core (s) usually work stably with a voltage increase.
Phil the Asus unlock boards work very well - I have unlocked the Phenom II 940t to 6 cores and overclocked the processor to 4ghz Just amazing performance on the cheap.
5:49 the reason why night raid had a score of 0 is because both time spy and night raid require SSSE3 instructions for the cpu test, and since K10 cpus lack that instruction, the benchmark crashes on the cpu test, resulting in a 0 score
I would love to see some videos on some 4 and 6 core Phenom II's pushed to the absolute mac in modern games and applications. I feel like they are on of the most under-utilized set of components in first time and budget oriented gaming builds. There is still much life in the AM3 socket, show us all please? Throw down the gauntlet of Black Editions OC'd beyond 3.5Ghz versus some of the Intel chips released at the same (and for a few cycles afterwards) to show how great of a value AMD was even 8 years ago!
AM3 is and was AMDs best Line , I loved amds 2000s stuff i have a nice collection from that era from socket A athlon xp 2000+ to the Phenom II x4 965 i still use the 965 for my android emulation
Awesome CPU choice for a video, Phil. Finally something interesting to see, unlike those LGA 775 things.
Good video. Some games aren't coded to use 3 cores, they use 2 or 4 cores. See if you can unlock that 4th core.
Hmmm, people used to try unlocking the locked cores to get a free performance upgrade, which is like the ultimate silicon lottery.
Some people even managed to unlock an Athlon dual core into quad core and it runs quite stable...
I had a B series x2 as my first self system built computer in 09 or so I think. msi motherboard had a core unlock feature and it was BLCK unlocked as well, so x2 became x4 and 3.9ghz. Loved that thing to death for the $55 it cost me.
AMD was a great budget choice back then, no idea if they are today.
I am still running AM3 here. One thing to look for is the VRMs on the Board, if you think about upgrading the CPU later. I had a borad rated for 125W, but when i actually put a FX-8350 in there, under load it kept throtteling like hell. Now i have a decent ASrock board rated for 220W, and my CPU runs super stable even when overclocked. That Board is a ASRock 970A-G/3.1, it has a modern UEFI BIOS, M.2 Slot and even USB Type C onboard.
Together with 16GB of DDR3 RAM and a RX580, i have yet to come across a game that will not run properly.
you can always put a fan on the vrms and on the chipset, its almost a must to do in those boards. Putting a fan to cool the chipset enable you to raise the NB higher.
@@polentusmax6100 True, i had to put a fan next to the VRMs in order to keep it running with the FX8350. The board i have now, and mentioned above, handles the 8-core just fine with nothing but the case fans. And that is with an AiO watercooler.
@Lolled9991 they dont, you never use a 9 series fx , and if you oc a 8 core fx you never give too much voltage in those boards. fx9590 is a scam. You can have a reasonable overclocked fx 83xx to 150/170 watts performing close to that. The 9 series have too much voltage.
@Lolled9991 Uhm, the chipset has nothing to do with the TDP whatsoever. How much W it supports depends only on the VRM.
Mine works great with my FX-8350. Clocked up to 4.9 GHz temporarily, i had it running 4.8GHz daily for a while. Don't know if it would work with a FX-9590 (wich is rated for 220W), because i don't have one.
But it is rated for the 9590 and 220W, so it *should* work.
TSteffi how to put a fan to vrm exactly? Pls help a newb here
I wonder how good of a gaming desktop is an older one that I have which has a 2.2 GHz AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ with 3 gb ram and a GTX285 and I have it dual boot with Windows 10 and Windows XP. I think this was one of AMD's first dual core CPU and the date on the motherboard bios is 8-24-2006.
I would use it for XP.
I use the Phenom X4 B97 a 4-core at 3.2GHz. I use it on an AM2+ motherboard from my 2008 HP dc5850. I also have the original; a 3-core Phenom X3 8600B at 2.3GHz and a 2-core Phenom II B59 which runs at 3.4GHz.
In the process of retiring my X4 965, I wouldn't say the AM3/3+ platform aged well, considering the post LGA775 DDR3 memory powered platforms from Intel that can run rings around it - of course, AMD came back with a bang with Ryzen, and they sure needed to pull that rabbit out of the hat
Hi Phil, a while ago you made a video about the Pentium E5800 on an Asrock Intel 865 based AGP mainboard. While this is truely a very fast AGP system, you can even have a faster one. This Phenom II video reminded me of two mainboards: Asrock ALiveDual-eSATA2 and Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA. Both are for socket AM2+ which means you can use overclockable Phenom II CPUs as well as DDR2 (so you are not limited to a maximum of 2 GB of RAM). Maybe you could have a look at these in the future? :)
Insane that the Ryzen 2700x has the same TDP of this processor with 8 cores, 16 Threads and higher clocks. And next year we are set to get a successor with 25% better performance at the same TDP.
My daily driver is a AMD triple core. I run Linux so I don't need much. I have no need to upgrade it either.
I hear that, I had the computer in my guest room that I built for my elder mother who I care for with a an AMD Tri-core @ 2.9Ghz on Xubuntu 18.04 LTS(there's a bug in the latest update that can cause total system crashes with AMD GPUs so I'm moving her to Mint 19 Mate)with 8GB of 800Mhz DDR2 ram on an MSI Micro ATX AM2+ board with an XFX R7 240 2GB GPU, and it was more than fast enough for daily task besides the boot times due to a slow 250GB WD HDD I had laying around in the parts bin, but I recently popped in a AMD Athlon II X4 630 @ 2.8Ghz I got in a parts salvage, and I have a feeling with Mint 19 Mate having support till 2023 long as nothing dies I'll not have to touch it till then other than the fact I'm anal about cleaning my computers out every 2 - 3 months.
Aliexpress have phenom x6 1055t (2,8ghz) for 50$, its 95w, just to you to know if someday you want to upgrade your rig
That motherboard... It was the first time I had a total hardware failure that would stop the PC from booting. The 870-G motherboards were made really cheap. A minor bump on the table can set them off sometimes. At least it did let me try unlocking my X4 960T to a X6 1605T. After that incident I bought an Asus M5A99X EVO which was probably the best budget 990X chipset motherboard you could buy that is packed with features.
Surprised not to see any videos from you on the Phenom II X6 1100T. Six cores @ 3.3/3.7 GHz was nothing to sneeze at in 2010.
Yea you're right, I don't have one. Not yet!
I've the Phenom II X3 720 with a Gt 1030 (gddr5) and works really well
Nice.
Hey Phill, did you try core unlock? There are many info on internet that this cpus have fully working&stable 4th core
I've built several tri-core systems over the years, and that process can be hit, or miss, and I've personally have only had 2 out of 7 that unlocked the 4th core, and where rock stable. Maybe it was the motherboard, and/or the CPU, I'm sure, and don't have them any longer to test as I sold them on eBay. but again it's a hit, and miss process.
@Systremor me too, it run hot with 4 core while i havinh cheap board which is quite dangerous for a long time. I never thought i should undervolt which is to prolong the longevity of this cpu. Look like i gonna do it now
That triple core could have threads nowadays, giving 6 virtual cores which is the sweet spot for DX12.
amd in 2010: *releases budget cpu with with 3 in the name*
consumer: *gets 3 cores on said cpu* alright!
intel in 2010: *releases budget cpu with 3 in the name*
consumer: *gets 2 cores on said cpu* nani?!?!?
I'm still using a Phenom X2 550 BE unlocked to 4 cores, OCed to 3.5GHz at stock volts, GPU duties handled by a HD6870!
I've had the same setup. Always wonder why they deactivate the cores and sale it for less if the cores are absolutely all right! You can believe me, i proofed that in many hours of gaming and video encoding:-) Great CPU with great performance for less money.
I have the same chip and another Phenom II X2, but whenever I try to active the disabled cored, Windows10 crashes. Not sure if it's the cpus or just the OS...
The 720 BE and 740 tripple core (disabled Quad core CPU's) have the extra core that can be unlocked. But you might need more voltage and better cooler. Since this core is might be a worse silicon than the activated 3 cores (hence the reason they locked the core)
A couple months ago I got myself an MSI 790XT-G45 motherboard locally and a Phenom II X2 B59 3.4 GHz from Aliexpress. With that motherboard I managed to unlock all the locked cores, so I basically got myself a Phenom II X4 965, but with a ~160 W TDP... 😨 At least that's what CPU-Z reported to me.
Awesome processors still running x4 black 955 in main rig purchased in 2009 with my Radeon HIS HD5770 1gb but it passed away this year and got a gtx 1060 6gb as a replacement not too bad 8 117 on fire strike but will be upgrading to ryzen 5 or 7 soon havent decided on which
@philscomputerlab I was using a Phenom II x4 980BE with a gigabyte 990FXA AM3+ board
Built my mother a computer recently with a dual core business phenom unlocked via BIOS into a quad, Deneb C3 black edition full cache.
How come he hates over clocking? Would be a fun video to watch this CPU with a boost
The first CPU I bought for a my first custom build was a Phenom II X3 720 back in 2009. I got semi-lucky with the fourth core unlocking, as it ran just fine like that at the stock 2.8GHz. Overclocking even a little caused the fourth core to become unstable though, sadly. Probably why it didn't make the grade as a quad core in the first place.
Ha, I just ordered a X3 720, as they are very cheap on AliExpress.
Maybe i missed it or you have covered it already..but what about the original Phenom and a review?...discussing what failed and how/why they fixed it...an article on Wikipedia calls the Phenom Quad cores the "True" quad cores. Maybe a review of the FX series of CPU's circa 2003-2006.."The Athlon 64 FX is positioned as a hardware enthusiast product, marketed by AMD especially toward gamers."....Anyway..as always a nicely done video!
I haven't considered the original Phenom yet, but will look into it.
Love the AMD Chips, Thanks Phil
Wait, when did we skip over the socket 754/939 generation?
Ha!!!! I still have a Athlon II tri core 455 in my PC..... Still does OK :-)
Good old MSI. They really know how to build a solid motherboard, don't they? They never skimp on VRMs. Anyway, these Phenom II processors were really good, impressed how good the gaming performance was in these tests. Great video!
So I got my self a free PC with a GA-EP45-UD3R mobo and q6600 I upgraded the GPU with my older r7 350 and the CPU with a 20$ upgrade to a Q9500. The total cost for this if we count the GPU I got from my older build is 60$ or less and if we dont put the GPU 20$ as the whole Pc we got for free but it was in windows k.
I remember certain motherboards touting the ability to unlock the 4th core.
sburns015 i have an asus mobo that I unlocked the 4th core on the 2.8ghz version I have.
My Athlon II X4 620 just turned 9 years old. Still using it, as a daily SETI@home box. Currently just updated to W10 October release so the uptime stopped at 6 months. Temps have been the same as you have shown here, mid 40C. Wall power averages 80W for the whole system including 6 drives as I use it for file serving (and video transcoding from time to time). Not bad for $100 CPU on release day. 3rd board and second set of RAM (1st time was DDR2 nice difference when I made the switch). I have another server box running former NAS4free now XigmaNAS (terrible new name great OS) that is running 8 GB DDR3 has 5 drives and holds 10 TB on an Athlon II X2 255 that uses 50W from the wall. I really like these systems as they are as stable as all heck.
I would like to see a direct comparison between 775 chips and AM3 chips using the same RAM and video. I know that may not be possible.
Good video. Nice to see this oldie but goodie get some lovin'
That was the first CPU i ever bought first quad core for under 100$.
The Athlon II x4 620 was so good for a budget CPU, I had one until last year overclocked to 3.1GHz, it ran old games very well but struggled on more demanding games.
@@stargazer162 Teh first board i ran mine on was OC'd about 10%. It did indeed give better performance but also killed the board. Second board died from ports crapping out, no OC. 3rd one is running stock everything. BTW RAM is all DDR3 1600
Amazing review. Well done
The first pc I build was a $300 build I based it around a phenom ii x3 and unlocked into a quad core it held its own until I upgraded to ryzen
I still have a phenom x2 550 be, running as a quad at 3.7 ghz running as a media center. I only upgraded my main from that because I was offered a MB a 3570k and 8gb ram for a crazy low price.
Once you served in the Military, you understand how scary "Military Class" is.
I ran a three core for eight years until the motherboard died. Tried unlocking the extra core but unfortunately got errors. Now it lives on in an older friend's web browsing machine that had a compatible socket, replacing his dual core.
I'm going to assume Nightraid needs SSE4.1 to run, like time spy does, so that is why it didn't give a score.
Still remember those days, in 2009-2010.
My rude cousin desided to build a new PC, and asked me for help. Those days, I owned a Core 2 Quad 6600.
And I have specialy purchased Athlon II X3 435 to make her have less cores than me XD
Got an Athlon II X2 255 with a XFX branded HD 4650, only use it as an internet browsing PC though. What about visiting the last and best Phenom X4 9950 on the AM2+ platform?
I'll have a look!
I have Asus mainboards that are basically identical except for the socket. The 775 has an Intel quad-core 2.6GHz, and the AM2+ has a Phenom X4 3.2GHz. Been rather disappointed in the Phenom -- despite being nominally faster, it benches about 25% slower. Still, it's much faster than the 4852e it replaced.
I'm not a gamer, but I am still getting along fine with an old 8-core FX-8350 with 16 gigs of ram and an SSD.
So in XP this system would be faster or slower than latest midrange s775?
Will you test it with an XP retro point of view?
That 870a-g54 has some problems with higher end 125 - 140w processors in the microcode & bios so upgrade it while you can too the latest one.
If it has a BIOS, I'll flash it :) Always :D
Better than My Mate VINCE simce that your outro music is noice!
I play with p2 x3 720be but its a c2 so can get it to go past 3.7ghz but was my first cpu coming back to pc gaming. Now its gonna be my dual boot xp/w7 setup.
Wait a minute, this one able to unlock 4 core!!!(I believe core unlock and FSB overclock to 3.5 -4ghz this rig will rock you!!!
No. This CPU based on 4-core die.
While on university, I'm using as my daily driver laptop with i7-6700hq, at home I still prefer working and gaming on my old PC with Phenom II 955 BE. This CPU is made of concrete. It has still good performance and OC is fantastic on it. When the time will of upgrade will come (to Ryzen OFC), this CPU goes into showcase. I'm not going to sell/throw it out.
Nice. I ordered a 965 from AliExpress a few days ago, can't wait to see what it can do :D
The AM3 platform is much better and modern than 775. I had a Phenom II X4 965 and I ran all games with high details with a GTX 680.
I gave my father a PC with AM3 Sempron 145 and unlocked the 2nd core to turn it in to an Athlon II X2 4450e. It just double the performance, is running as good as my aunt Core 2 Duo E7500, but with the advantege of using 4 GB DDR3 1600 instead 3 GB DDR2 800 (the 945GC chipset just won't let use 4 GB).
I had a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition, and it was a really fun processor. With a GTX 660 it handled all games perfectly well, but I decided to upgrade to a Ryzen 5 1600 when I couldn't play PUBG with more than 25fps. I kinda miss my old 965BE, wish I didn't sell it
I know this sad felling with new games. I couldn't run Resident Evil 7 because the lack of SSE4. So I bought a Ryzen 7 1700 (not only for gaming, for general use too) and now I feel too scared to play RE 7 hahahahaha
It's doin' well. What do you think about phenom II x6?
They are still quite expensive it seems.
I remember I used a Phenom II X2 555 at the time and Battlefield: Bad Company 2 ran really really terrible on it... I then got the 955, which literally doubled the framerate (no idea why the 555 ran so bad).... I was very happy with the 955 until World of Warcraft Mists of Pandaria came along.... an Intel CPU was basically required :(
TBH I didn't like crysis, it start's off like far cry 1 then after the jungle it goes all alien. Not my fav game.
I like the AM2+ platform and AM3. Which video card did you use with this setup? Awesome video mate.
My "business" computer had the similar a CPU to this but quad core, possibly the "not cut down" version, but it ran at 2.3ghz i believe. It was just bearable on Windows 7 and some games like cs-go. But maybe the HD 5450 was the biggest problem, but the CPU was always at 100% while in game or watching a video so it was not fun.
i have a phenom 1050t black edition with a faulty core on it. i don't know how it passed the quality control lmao. but the 6th core would crap the bed and crash. even windows would report it crashing and it would shut it off. so i pretty much call it a 5 core but i don't use it anymore but i kept the core for a novelty purpose and just bought a new 1050t at that time i thought it was funny.
I wouldn't exactly call Am3 tripple core an competitor to 775 since it came out much later then 775 lol! There's a few issues with it as well, tripple core cpu's weren't much more powerful then their dual core cousin's because everything was turned down on them, the only benefit was that extra core. Depending on the motherboard/ cpu 775 can support from 8 to 32gb of ram, 775 in it's early days with DDR2 had a cap of 16gb depending on the processor, in it's DDR3 days towards the end of it's life the boards could support 32gb depending on what latest cpu's were out. Usb 3.0 came out in the early days of 1st gen "i" series processors.
Can you clarify "because everything was turned down on them"?
@@philscomputerlab Compared to a quad core they had lower specs, just above what a dual core Amd cpu has for cache', etc. So the only real advantage they had was the extra core gave them better multiprocessing performance like you stated and higher clock speeds. I had a Triple core laptop for a while and it was ok, the only issue was how hot it got, overheated even when properly cleaned and had new thermal compound which could have been due to the 3ghz clock speeds.
I run a B75 in a Astock 980DE3/U3S3 which is a AM3 board with 8 Sata a PCI-e 16x slot 2 PCI slots a floppy and IDE header and controller built in with full windows xp driver support and i run that with a BFG GTX 9800+ and 2 80GB WD Raptor hard drives for my Windows XP gaming rig.
Nice.
This reminds me of the 486 SX chips that came to exist from faulty FPUs
I just picked up a Phenom II X4. I didn't get the X6 because the 4core can be clocked higher because they run cooler than the X6, for better single and dual core IPC performance on era appropriate games.
Nice. Which X4 did you get?
@@philscomputerlab The 965 Black Edition in the later C3 stepping. Used, complete in box with oem cooler. From my understanding any of these Denebs from 955 up are equally adept at overclocking. Same with the Thuban Hexa 6 cores...the 1055T can overclock as good as the 1090T/1100T. I have an Asrock Fatal1ty 990FX board. I also just recieved from Newegg a brand new AMD FX 8350 for $64. Im looking to pick up a couple more mobos for the AM3 platform.
@@EscapeVelo Nice! I just ordered the same chip from AliExpress yesterday :)
@@philscomputerlab The vast majority of the time the Triple Core Phenom IIs should equal the performance of the Quad Core Phenom IIs in gaming. What was the pricing difference back in the day between the Triples, Quads and Hexa core Phenom IIs? The intel Core 2 Quads like the Q9650 were quite a bit faster in IPC than these AMD Phenom IIs.
years ago I unlocked an AMD x3 425 into AMD x4 b25 stable at 2.9. AMD never sold B25. but B25 is what CPU-z / windows would label the cpu.
Never even knew existed thought was single, double and quad.
It's sad only reason Phenom II series will be obsolete is they don't have SSE4 or AVX since some game engines seem to natively start to support those ISA since a while.
the overclocking button/dial aren't actually very good