Because of your review, I pulled an old NIV TCR off the self at my church library, and opened up to Ezekiel (bc that’s what I’m studying). A chain was noted in the margin for “evil women” due to the women weeping for a foreign god. I opened to the section and went to the verses under the title “Temptress” and the first verse listed was about Eve. I laughed out loud and placed that old version back on the shelf. It did start a fun discussion in our Sunday school class. Thanks for the 2 part review.
It seems as though they've de-Thompson-ized it, which might make it more accessible, but it also makes it more generic. Improving the aesthetics of the layout is one thing; removing the illustrations is something else. It's not quite as extreme as the two editions of the Scofield Reference Bible offered by Oxford (one of which is more a spiritual successor to Scofield's work than an updated edition of it), but it's still a step toward removing this volume's unique voice. If people wanted a more modern study Bible, wouldn't they just buy a more modern study Bible?
I've got my own theory's as to why they removed the archeology section and the English version history but i would be labeled a conspiracy theorist so i digress😂
@@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181 watch 3 documentaries. It'll take a whole weekend but they are worth it. 1) Lamp in the dark 2) tares among wheat 3) road to Babylon. They are a series. Watch them in that order right here on youtube. It will explain everything 😂
I love my 1984 2nd edition Thompson Chain NIV large print wide margin with tab cutouts. I had B.B. Kirkbride special build it for me in 1984. Then I removed the inferior maps and dictionary and had a book builder company rebind another Bible's better maps and dictionary leaving the whole Bible a unified single unit. Free of commentaries or opinions, I want to personally do the long work for that type of content. It took a year or so before I was comfortable writing tiny pencil notes in it. Beautiful.
Overall, I like the newer edition better, but I think having both would be useful. The comfort print is much easier to see. As far as a comment you made in the first segment of the TCR review. I think we will all eventually rue the day we started trusting electronic Study aids. I think those who do not like God will pull the rug out from under our digital trust . Don't abandon printed forms. Still love your reviews!
I agree the new version may be a little more digestible, and man I do love Comfort Print. BUT the drawings in the Legacy Edition are SO unique and full of character. It really does sanitize the essence of what the TCR is to remove them. I say this as someone who really enjoys the history of Study Bibles (of which the TCR is one of the very earliest) ...I also say this as someone whose handy sized copy of the Revised Edition is sitting within arm's length as I type this. :) So no shade, just my opinion between the 2. Thanks for the video(s) on this classic SB.
I always understood the "400 silent years" as referring to God's (prophetic) silence, not man's. When God speaks, men are silent. When God is silent, men fill in the gap!
Great video - well done - Thank you very much. I have the old Kirkbide TC 1964 in KJ version which I have loved to use over the years, just recently purchased a new Zondervan TC in the NKJ, I use them both and compare as I go.
For what it's worth since this was one of your issues with the TCR: my early 4th Edition wasn't actually called a TCR, but "The New Chain-Reference Bible", with Thompson's name underneath.
I was a little confused watching your first video. I pulled the thompson chain reference bible that I used during my high school years (early 90s) off the shelf and followed along. The numbering was different and some of the things you pointed out were different for sure. As for the bible i never used the chain reference system. I found it kind of clunky and confusing. I moved on to another bible post high school. But I have some fond memories from using that bible despite the small print in my compact version.
I have the old kirkbride and the new zondervans. Zondervan started out with the archeological finds section and then discontinued it. What a shame. I love that section Ive used this bible extensively to put sermons together. It is a great help
My experience over the years, owning three Thompson chain reference Bibles pay the additional fee and get thumb indexing. Those little flags that you stick on the pages tend to rip the pages. 😇
My revised & Updated TCR says Mark was written at about 58 BC. Does yours say that. After seeing that I couldn’t read this Bible. Maybe I have a typo in mine.
Since when has Zondervan Published Thompson Chain Reference? If it’s not KJV, is it a Thompson Chain Reference Bible! The original Thompson Chain Reference 1908, 1917, 1929, 1934, 1957, 1964, 1982, by, Frank Charles Thompson, all published by B.B. Kirkbride Bible Company, Inc. including current Copy Right Edition 1988 (14th printing October 2008)
There must be a reason they took out that awesome Archeological section - if only perhaps to make another sale of one of their own strictly Archeological books & they felt this section of TCR was competition but outdated so much so "just buy this other book alongside of the revised TRC & you'll have all that & more" . . . such a shame of a loss of this information . . . they can't just put it into another book without giving credit to the source of Thompson or that's plagiarizing. Hmmm, so I'm curious . . . how does that section of the Archeological information compare to your favorite Archeological Bible (you know, that one that is out of print . . . another shame) or compared to the other one that is readily accessible for purchase? Is it possible that they used this information & pictures, etc. from the older Thompson Archeology in that Archeology book? Or am I confusing 2 completely different publishers here? Seriously, I'd really like your answer - I know you have a particular fondness for the archeology background in Biblical history. You have helped me to decide that I do indeed want to get a TCR & because of these 2 videos, I want the revised & updated version, but I have no interest in NASB, I will probably go with NKJV or I may be happy with ESV. But, I've also been trying to decide upon an Archeological Historic Bible - if they had left the archeology in the revised TCR, my dilemma would be solved, that would have been enough for me - after watching your video about your college alma-madre, broke my heart that I can't get that one, so I'm willing to buy that other one, it will probably be all that I need & more; you just really impressed me with your video & your sincere appreciation for everything they put in that book.
@@DiscipleDojo The loss of the archaeological section is definitely to be deplored. If it is felt that new findings and/or interpretations can all too easily outdate previous material, there is a well-tried answer, known to legal and commercial practitioners - a loose leaf service which can be periodically updated, simply replacing single or multiple pages. Alternatively, it is surely possible to issue, updated, the archaeological supplement annually or bi-ennially. Have you any influence with Zondervan?
And I agree that the removal of the history of the English Bible is more than unfortunate. Again, however, this could easily be reproduced and periodically extended.
I think that part of the problem relates to the desire to keep study Bibles (of every type) to the handheld/portable size. Repeatedly, but to no avail, I have urged a true desk/study - size A4 - either loose leaf or interleaved. Such desk/study size allows a great deal of material to be entered alongside a more rationally-presented text, and to allow one’s own notes. As to cost, why must we insist that a desk/ study form, which would mainly stay at home, though it could easily be carried in a suitable flat case, has to be premium : what is wrong with cheaper but sturdy materials?
Most of all, I look forward to the issue , not of study Bibles, but of study notes that can be used with almost any translation, and which can be periodically updated and/or expanded without having to reset, and bear the cost of, an entire new edition of the Bible.
We shouldn't be using that "god" word at ALL... Isayah 45:5 B.O.Y. "5 I am Yahawah, and there is no other apart from Me. There is NO God (Elohim). I will strengthen you with this knowledge, though you did not recognize that it was Me-" In direct violation of Yahawah’s Commandment not to worship hinder gods (Elohim---Deuteronomy 30:17-19), only 100 years later the Holy Scriptures became polluted with the PAGAN titles of Elohim, Adonai, God, and Lord! At the time, the use of these pagan terms was accepted, and used, by the copyists to replace Yahawah’s Name, or to identify Him in their writings. However, these pagan words cannot identify Yahawah our Creator, because they are TITLES of Satan and HER angels! Unger’s Bible Dictionary, Page 412, states that the word EL is a Canaanite word meaning “God”, or “Devil”. The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 1, Page 817, under DEMONOLOGY, says: The word ELOHIM (plural form of EL) means “demons” or “gods”. Also we NEED to get away from that poisonous King James "Version"... Here is a blessing for my people a $600 for free... independent.academia.edu/IsrealPorter ... Here is an English Version closer to the Hebrew.
No. I'm not saying that, nor did I write that. What I will say is using superheroes to teach Christian doctrine is like using an Asherah to teach the 10 commandments to Jews or Christians. That is idolatry and a form of syncretism. That's what I am saying. Repent of your idolatry!
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Because of your review, I pulled an old NIV TCR off the self at my church library, and opened up to Ezekiel (bc that’s what I’m studying). A chain was noted in the margin for “evil women” due to the women weeping for a foreign god. I opened to the section and went to the verses under the title “Temptress” and the first verse listed was about Eve. I laughed out loud and placed that old version back on the shelf. It did start a fun discussion in our Sunday school class.
Thanks for the 2 part review.
It seems as though they've de-Thompson-ized it, which might make it more accessible, but it also makes it more generic. Improving the aesthetics of the layout is one thing; removing the illustrations is something else. It's not quite as extreme as the two editions of the Scofield Reference Bible offered by Oxford (one of which is more a spiritual successor to Scofield's work than an updated edition of it), but it's still a step toward removing this volume's unique voice. If people wanted a more modern study Bible, wouldn't they just buy a more modern study Bible?
I've got my own theory's as to why they removed the archeology section and the English version history but i would be labeled a conspiracy theorist so i digress😂
I think it might be the "chain reference" aspect that is the difference, because other study Bibles don't necessarily contain ALL the relevant verses.
@@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181 watch 3 documentaries. It'll take a whole weekend but they are worth it.
1) Lamp in the dark
2) tares among wheat
3) road to Babylon.
They are a series. Watch them in that order right here on youtube.
It will explain everything 😂
I love my 1984 2nd edition Thompson Chain NIV large print wide margin with tab cutouts. I had B.B. Kirkbride special build it for me in 1984. Then I removed the inferior maps and dictionary and had a book builder company rebind another Bible's better maps and dictionary leaving the whole Bible a unified single unit.
Free of commentaries or opinions, I want to personally do the long work for that type of content. It took a year or so before I was comfortable writing tiny pencil notes in it. Beautiful.
Overall, I like the newer edition better, but I think having both would be useful.
The comfort print is much easier to see.
As far as a comment you made in the first segment of the TCR review. I think we will all eventually rue the day we started trusting electronic Study aids. I think those who do not like God will pull the rug out from under our digital trust . Don't abandon printed forms.
Still love your reviews!
If someone has the power to corrupt all electronic Biblical study material, printed books are the least of their worries. :)
@@DiscipleDojo True enough!
Oh, woe is me.
Hate when the typing selects for me, instead of what I type... thanks for bringing it to my attention.
@@sydney.g.sloangammagee8181 Which do you mean, wow, or woe? I'm a bit confused.
I agree the new version may be a little more digestible, and man I do love Comfort Print. BUT the drawings in the Legacy Edition are SO unique and full of character. It really does sanitize the essence of what the TCR is to remove them.
I say this as someone who really enjoys the history of Study Bibles (of which the TCR is one of the very earliest)
...I also say this as someone whose handy sized copy of the Revised Edition is sitting within arm's length as I type this. :) So no shade, just my opinion between the 2.
Thanks for the video(s) on this classic SB.
I always understood the "400 silent years" as referring to God's (prophetic) silence, not man's. When God speaks, men are silent. When God is silent, men fill in the gap!
Which is when (historically referenced, 300BC to 200AD) the book,of Enoch was reportedly written. Which is another reason I ignore it.
@@Rood67 Aha!!! Now that is GOOD stuff to know!!! THANK YOU for that gem of knowledge.
Thanks for this, I like the older Edition better
Great video - well done - Thank you very much. I have the old Kirkbide TC 1964 in KJ version which I have loved to use over the years, just recently purchased a new Zondervan TC in the NKJ, I use them both and compare as I go.
For what it's worth since this was one of your issues with the TCR: my early 4th Edition wasn't actually called a TCR, but "The New Chain-Reference Bible", with Thompson's name underneath.
I wish they'd stuck with that.
I will keep my eyes open for the 4th edition.
I was a little confused watching your first video. I pulled the thompson chain reference bible that I used during my high school years (early 90s) off the shelf and followed along. The numbering was different and some of the things you pointed out were different for sure.
As for the bible i never used the chain reference system. I found it kind of clunky and confusing. I moved on to another bible post high school. But I have some fond memories from using that bible despite the small print in my compact version.
I have the old kirkbride and the new zondervans. Zondervan started out with the archeological finds section and then discontinued it. What a shame. I love that section
Ive used this bible extensively to put sermons together. It is a great help
The concordance is shorter in the new version. FYI. -Thanks for the review!
My experience over the years, owning three Thompson chain reference Bibles pay the additional fee and get thumb indexing. Those little flags that you stick on the pages tend to rip the pages. 😇
I believer Tim Wildsmith mention the new ESV TCR is coming out in May or June of this year, 2024.
He would definitely know more than me about it.
My revised & Updated TCR says Mark was written at about 58 BC. Does yours say that. After seeing that I couldn’t read this Bible. Maybe I have a typo in mine.
I can almost imagine this typo being used as part of plot device in a movie that involves possible time travel.
The old version is more informative and complete. I am glad I was able to get from Zondervan the TCR-KJV large print with the old text block.
Something gained, something lost. I have both.
I have an NIV version which is somewhat different from these.
Me, too, from 1983.
i like the NASB VERSION
Since when has Zondervan Published Thompson Chain Reference? If it’s not KJV, is it a Thompson Chain Reference Bible!
The original Thompson Chain Reference 1908, 1917, 1929, 1934, 1957, 1964, 1982, by, Frank Charles Thompson, all published by B.B. Kirkbride Bible Company, Inc. including current Copy Right Edition 1988 (14th printing October 2008)
Since they bought the rights in 2006.
Oh thank you.
There must be a reason they took out that awesome Archeological section - if only perhaps to make another sale of one of their own strictly Archeological books & they felt this section of TCR was competition but outdated so much so "just buy this other book alongside of the revised TRC & you'll have all that & more" . . . such a shame of a loss of this information . . . they can't just put it into another book without giving credit to the source of Thompson or that's plagiarizing.
Hmmm, so I'm curious . . . how does that section of the Archeological information compare to your favorite Archeological Bible (you know, that one that is out of print . . . another shame) or compared to the other one that is readily accessible for purchase? Is it possible that they used this information & pictures, etc. from the older Thompson Archeology in that Archeology book? Or am I confusing 2 completely different publishers here?
Seriously, I'd really like your answer - I know you have a particular fondness for the archeology background in Biblical history.
You have helped me to decide that I do indeed want to get a TCR & because of these 2 videos, I want the revised & updated version, but I have no interest in NASB, I will probably go with NKJV or I may be happy with ESV.
But, I've also been trying to decide upon an Archeological Historic Bible - if they had left the archeology in the revised TCR, my dilemma would be solved, that would have been enough for me - after watching your video about your college alma-madre, broke my heart that I can't get that one, so I'm willing to buy that other one, it will probably be all that I need & more; you just really impressed me with your video & your sincere appreciation for everything they put in that book.
The archeological section in the old TCR was good, but somewhat simplified. I don't know if that material is available anywhere else.
@@DiscipleDojo The loss of the archaeological section is definitely to be deplored. If it is felt that new findings and/or interpretations can all too easily outdate previous material, there is a well-tried answer, known to legal and commercial practitioners - a loose leaf service which can be periodically updated, simply replacing single or multiple pages. Alternatively, it is surely possible to issue, updated, the archaeological supplement annually or bi-ennially. Have you any influence with Zondervan?
And I agree that the removal of the history of the English Bible is more than unfortunate. Again, however, this could easily be reproduced and periodically extended.
I think that part of the problem relates to the desire to keep study Bibles (of every type) to the handheld/portable size. Repeatedly, but to no avail, I have urged a true desk/study - size A4 - either loose leaf or interleaved. Such desk/study size allows a great deal of material to be entered alongside a more rationally-presented text, and to allow one’s own notes. As to cost, why must we insist that a desk/ study form, which would mainly stay at home, though it could easily be carried in a suitable flat case, has to be premium : what is wrong with cheaper but sturdy materials?
Most of all, I look forward to the issue , not of study Bibles, but of study notes that can be used with almost any translation, and which can be periodically updated and/or expanded without having to reset, and bear the cost of, an entire new edition of the Bible.
🤣Cherry Coke🍒🥤Thanks for making me laugh at the end of the day!🤣
Cherry PEPSI Zero Sugar!!! (Though I do like Cherry Coke Zero, I admit!)
We shouldn't be using that "god" word at ALL...
Isayah 45:5 B.O.Y.
"5 I am Yahawah, and there is no other apart
from Me. There is NO God (Elohim). I will
strengthen you with this knowledge, though you
did not recognize that it was Me-"
In direct violation of Yahawah’s Commandment not to worship hinder gods (Elohim---Deuteronomy 30:17-19), only 100 years later the Holy Scriptures became polluted with the PAGAN titles of Elohim, Adonai, God, and Lord!
At the time, the use of these pagan terms was accepted, and used, by the copyists to replace Yahawah’s Name, or to identify Him in their writings. However, these pagan words cannot identify Yahawah our Creator, because they are TITLES of Satan and HER angels! Unger’s Bible Dictionary, Page 412, states that the word EL is a Canaanite word meaning “God”, or “Devil”. The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, Volume 1, Page 817, under DEMONOLOGY, says: The word ELOHIM (plural form of EL) means “demons” or “gods”. Also we NEED to get away from that poisonous King James "Version"... Here is a blessing for my people a $600 for free... independent.academia.edu/IsrealPorter ... Here is an English Version closer to the Hebrew.
I don't even know where to begin with all the nonsense in this comment...
Ha ha ha, the Pepsi thing was funny! Just can't get past the dojo motif and toys in the video. Kinda hurts your credibility.
So pretty much you want me to change the entirety of this channel because you are uncomfortable with superheroes and martial arts. Got it.
No. I'm not saying that, nor did I write that. What I will say is using superheroes to teach Christian doctrine is like using an Asherah to teach the 10 commandments to Jews or Christians. That is idolatry and a form of syncretism. That's what I am saying. Repent of your idolatry!
I also appreciate his content, but agree. Superheroes come from monsters, which are actually demons. 😢