Baba, I didn't see this coming, Baba please do stay humble after this debate.. keep the good work.. Since you reject Hadiths so David wood have no expertize to counter you through Quran..
ive come to the end of the video and ive learned that david and avery arent debating for the ‘truth’ AT ALL, they’re just arguing to win. They poke way too much fun, and dont even own up to it when it gets called out. Im genuinely disappointed, and im sure Jesus wouldn’t be too happy with their methods either. Also Shuaib made an excellent point at the end that was barely acknowledged regarding the ‘majority’. If you read such verses as 7:102, 10:36, 12:106, etc etc. you can see that the christians are stuck on the fact that most muslims follow the narrations, but Allah makes it so clear that the majority of the people ‘don’t use reason’ and ‘will lead you astray’ and ‘they follow their forefathers, even when their forefathers had no knowledge’. David and Avery definitely lost this one because they’re too busy being on the ‘attack’, blinded by their biases and predilections. Muhammad and Shuaib made it clear, that the book is clear and fully detailed ‘to the believers’, but ‘majority of muslims’ are simply following assumptions and whatever they found their forefathers doing, without question, without critical thinking. Allah doesn’t want blind followers, He wants critical thinkers. Why do you think “will you not use reason?” and “will you not ponder?” are frequently asked questions in the Quran to its readers? Food for thought. Alhamdulillahi Rabbil-3aalameen ☝🏽
@@tjboat24but Jesus did NOT send Muhammad. Jesus made dua for another messenger and Allaah granted the dua so idiots like you can be brought out of the darkness.
As soon as David and Avery saw they can't use the garbage books "fake Islamic sources" to debate, their entire debate fell apart, and quickly turned into strawman arguments, attempted trappings and poor word play.
Man i love that, because literally most of their arguments are based on narrations, some even claim they have an argument against the Quran and then proceed to talk about ahadiths and it's so disturbing for true believers... (or enraging i should say) Subhanallah
@@vinotozhimo5510 Honest people against professional liars. Also the Christian guys kept trying to put words in the mouth of their opponents, a low tactic. God is a witness, few of you remember God, because you think you are saved because you said some words or took a big bath, you are fooling yourselves and Satan has took hold of you. God is one, Jesus is obviously created and he cannot save you, nothing Jesus does happens except by permission of God... That's why he made dua, Jesus supplicated, he didn't tell God what to do... This point was made in the debate, and your Christian idols didn't answer it... because they can't. Peace
Wood looks hurt after Baba Shuaib's opening statement. Woods opening statement sounds like a boyish schoolyard form of debating jealous, disrespectful, childish, and lacking scholarship only "based on conversations he's had." He doesn't argue on the side of truth, he does it to win an arguement with a devilish play on words which you can hear in his almost unbearable tone of voice. Avery did okay but also argues with semantics as opposed to facts written in the scripture.
@restlessnative3818 Says the guys who can read write and seems educated enough to at least have the intelligence to know that a pedophile caravan robbing 3 rock ass wiping guy is no more than a brilliant con man and yet follows him as a prophet. Yeah really great rep for your religion and amazing how intellct works.
Quran Surah Al Hajj - 46 Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind.
These Christians are confused and just waffling through the whole debate, just playing semantics, it was hard to watch honestly. The failure to realise how they making a fool of themselves is mind boggling
To be real, the spirit in John, if it's a true prophecy it's clearly Jibreel. In fact in the Quran it says the "trustworthy" spirit brought it (the Quran) down into your (Muhammad's) heart. So i don't know why we always interpret in a way that seems different than both what the Bible and Quran say. Anyways, peace brothers and sisters.
i love and respect christians, and have many respectful debates and discussions with them regularly. But i cant help thinking that avery and david are being super ingenuous, playing games instead of actually debating. im rather disappointed. Shuaib and Muhammad brought their evidences clearly, makes me proud to be a follower of the Quran 💙
@@tjboat24 Well, mythicists, by your own standarts demolish your pagan Osiris like "Eat my flesh and blood" demigod... Yet you don't follow the same standarts, God forbid you are honest... Also, Jesus is an "abdul" in the Bible, he is called a servant, a slave of God directly in your Bible... So before you try to mock us, remember that you are mocking your "god". Peace
Avery is a child and not capable of intellectual debate without going into strawman arguments and baiting people. And debating fanatics is pointless, you cannot change what's in their hearts.
😂 I always wonder how you dont see that you worship an idol. Your allah does not even know the Holy Spirit. Bet you know nothing about spiritual gifts either.
I would like to see you debate Sam Shamoun or Lloyd De Jongh, I think they are the only one in the religious space that can actually provide a challenging debate. Sam typically will also use Quran verses with his debates to prove his point, not just hadiths, and Lloyd De Jongh typically breaks down everything from historical documents, and can show you the different versions of the Koran that was present in the early days and that its not like the 1924 Cairo Official Version of the Koran that got printed and sent everywhere to the world. I'm not apart of any religion anymore, but I do believe in God, and I would like to see what both sides bring to the table.
Hi brother I’m not a hater or anything like that I’m subscribed to you and I just really think you could have pushed back a lot more. You wrote on the screen how David and Avery were missing your point, quoting the wrong verses etc. after the debate but you didn’t push back hard enough in the moment and you kind of just let them misinterpret/misunderstand your point. Brother Mohammed was a lil off topic, didn’t make many strong arguments, resorted to personal attacks and insults too frequently. I’ve been interested in you since my clubhouse days and you have great arguments. I was really keen for this debate, I’m hoping you guys did a lot better in Part 2.
Shuaib im new to your chanel and newly Quran only, Allhumdulilla! I just wanted to say how well you did on the debate especially against such ignorange on the other side. May i also ask if you are able to do a video on the night journey and how you got to the conclusion its about Moses in a bit more depth please ? I have been trained to belive it was about the Prohpet Muhamad PBUH so would love to see your point of veiw. GOD BLESS 🙌
The only proof you need is the revelation of the Quran. If Muhammad wasn’t a prophet he would not have been able to reveal such magical verses. Unchanged and unsurpassable by any human.
when muslims lie and deceive it's a thing beautifully done🤢in the Quran it says that Allah is a father to no one, so if Jesus was just a Muslim prophet then why did he call God his father, number 1 answer is.. the bible has been corrupted but then they go on to qoute the bible, I never quote the Quran to make a point because I know it's all rubbish deception and lies😩
How on earth is it possible to overlook the claims that were made against Muhammad? Dear Muslims, are you OK with the behavior of muhammad! Muslims, have you ever investigated your prophet? If he is what you believe him to be, he should be able to withstand being critiqued critically!
The Quran does not say that Prophet Muhammad is a false prophet, rather, it clearly states that " the son of Maryam was not crucified". So, wrt Q, anything based on crucifixion is falsehood, and they know the truth...
@@bwestbrook90 😂 this just exposes how little you know about the topic. You’d do best to not speak on what you have no knowledge lest you make a fool of yourself and it comes back ironically biting you in the ass. peace
@@bwestbrook90 We are Quran alone Muslims, when did we even "bring up hadith"? Literally check their channel, they talk clearly about their stance on that matter. Hadiths are like part of your gospels, they have some truth and some falsehood. Peace
Salaam to all. Great debate, hope to see some more great debates like this.Chirtians believe in the trinity, if Jesus died, that means that Jesus, the holy spirit & the father died, that means they have no god. Hope to see the next debate. Salaam.
god has revealed the bible and not the gospels of john, thomas etc... these are people with lusts, weaknesses and interests.. you must ask questions of this.
The Gospel of John is a really bad source for Muslims, we should be sticking to Mark 10:18 and a few other things in Mark and Mathew. Exodus is enough to support the prophethood of Muhummad aliahi salaam.
😂 You Muslims are funny. Christians debate Muslims on the Quran because that is what you guys believe in. Muslims don't want to debate Christians on the fullness of their Bible because the Bible confirms what Christians believe in. You guys are wild.
You all muslims as well as your allah and muhammad are funny and laughable , your religion came almost 700 years late and yet you cannot fabricate a more convincing story about Christ's crucifixion. Christ was seen up close by Mary,His siblings,His disciples , by the Parhissees/Jews , Roman soldiers was there mocking an almost NAKED Christ and yet your allah can only come up with that story of faking Christ crucifixion.😂
More people would accept Islam if it wasn't for the lies people are told from Bukhari. Truly the Sunnis have abandoned the Quran and that is why they call themselves 'Sunni'.
@@STVDENT Exactly. There are hadith that tell you to stand up while drinking and others that tell you sit down while drinking. They don't even have unanimous consensus on time of Asr prayer and things in prayer like where you should hold your hands. A lot of hadith are completely out of context. The hadith distort the truth and make it lifeless, technical and purely ritualistic which is the kind of "Islam" much of the "Islamic" countries are blindly following.
The part of the debate regarding Masjid al Aqsa , not all Sunni scholars of the past believed it was in the Levant . I think Al Azraqi suggested it was outside the boundary of the holy Sanctuary in Makkah .
Brother Shuaib! I would recommend not to quote the new testament, because it's principal the same like the hadith just in Christianity. Base your arguments around the old testament. The Ingil what Allah swt. gave to Jesus (peace be upon him). It's still corrupt, but this is a mistake which gained the Christians a advantage even tho you and Muhammad did very good. It was a nice debate, was loving listening to it. People who reason are on your side, guys! Peace.
Came out of allah discussion is so stupid by Avery. Like taking it literally the word as if prophet Muhammad dropped out of the sky from god. Like how insanely stupid is that? Its a way of saying? My head hurts..
The bible agording Tom John is like the ahadith books from Bughari Muslim... Pagan. Nothing divine about them. The Qoraan is fully detailed by Allaah ❤❤❤The Almighty The Creator of all. Nothing els
It was so embarrassing and kinda hurtful to watch those christians come into a debate using lies and falsehoods(hadiths) to defend their stand. Atleast have the decency to use correct sources and dont try and stick to them if you told they are wrong. Damn that was cringe to watch.
The problem is with us tbh. Muslims have scholars who use and project hadith as an authentic source for following Islam. So people who do not believe in Islam will only know that. And we all know how false hadiths are
... if they bring hadiths with some bad things about Prophet Muhammad, why not bring "hadiths/tammlud" with some bad things Jusus/Prophet Isa,... as mentioned all Prophets had enemies who said and wrote lies about them,...
“Even” is part of Old English, which the Muslims were using the KJV. When translated from the Greek, “even” is not there. The Greek grammar will show that comforter is also spirit of truth. So in modern English of today, use either NJKV or ESV. We are not speaking in Old English. And wood and Avery weren’t wrong. In old English it would be better understood in todays English as … “comforter which is even the spirit of truth.”
If muhamad was the final messenger why is Jesus going to return to fight the antichrist & no one will ever see muhamad ever again? the answer is a simple one, because how can muhamad being an antichrist fight against the antichrist 😩
If you ask questions that don’t make sense to hold on to your ingrained beliefs, it’s better to stay quiet and wait for judgement day. You’re not a truth seeker
I guess I know why this topic is debated, since Muslims so desperately need it to be true......but, really this defies logic. I am a Nigerian of Yoruba descent. If I made the statement ALL my ancestors are Nigerians, that would be a lie from the pits of hell. Why? Nigeria did not exist until the British came. Therefore, all my Yoruba ancestors that predate them CANNOT be called Nigerians. It is common sense. As for the word "son" how idiotic are these arguments? If I say someone is "a son of the soil" does that mean the soil got pregnant and gave birth a son? Obviously, the word "son" has to derive its meaning from the context in which I used it.
The mosque that Allah took his messenger to was the mosque in Medina. From Mecca to Medina. The only mosque that’s blessed as the mosque in Mecca is the mosque in Medina. Allah compares the two mosque..
I couldn't follow what these guys were actually debating. However in my church it was read and explained that either Jesus or God met with Abraham before going to destroy Soddom and Gomorrah. So when Jesus said to the Jews he met Abraham that is one of the incident/s.
MFG and Buba told you that God spoke directly through Jesus and Muhammad this is part of being a prophet - and then you say Jesus told Muhammad to come? Why can you people not see basic reason? Jesus was a prophet Created by God, the bible makes that clear. If you want to worship a prophet against his wishes then go ahead, nobody is stopping you, but I'm warning you now: he will disown and deny you on the day of judgment, calling you an evil doer and telling the truth which is: he NEVER KNEW YOU. Peace. (Go back to worshipping God ALONE like Adam, David, Jonah, Jesus, Muhammad, Soloman, Abraham did.)
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.” 16:7 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” 16:8 “And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:” You can see that this Holy Spirit/Jesus was referring to Muhammad Peace be on to him This couldn’t be anyone one else since it stated it will come after Jesus is gone and Holly spirit has appeared already before Jesus was alive
You and Muhammad answered all their questions. We non sect Muslims support you and the Quran. You two brothers are in authority by Allah permission. We as your supporters hear and obey.❤❤
The Koran is according to Allah unlike other books(not mention in the Koran) which is according to mankind! And when you talk about Islam PLEASE only quote from the Koran.
The only authority you can use to judge Muhammad’s prophethood by is the Quran, which he wrote himself? I myself am definitely a prophet, the greatest prophet ever, and you can only refer to this comment when arguing if that’s true. This line of “argument” is infuriating and the arrogance and unexplained hostility make this video almost unwatchable. Edit: almost messed up and gave people a way to deny my prophethood there - all of this comment is the absolutely true word of god, not man.
Bro Why would anyone even debate Avery 😂 everytime i have seen a debate with him he lies , denies simple Logic and makes Up stuff about the the opponen. He has the worst debating skills I have ever seen.
He shall glorify me : Prophet Mohammad clearly glorifies Jesus in Surah 3:55 / All who follow Jesus will be superior (will enter Jannah ) till resurrection day. 3:56 further calls all those who do not believe in following Jesus’ kafirs who will suffer terrible agony ( will be in hell ) and NO other Prophet will be able to help rejector of Jesus - not even Messenger Mohammad. I do have great respect for Baba Shuaib knowledge and stand against the Hadith followers - though he is in denial of Surah 3:55/56 and the Decree of Allah endorsing Jesus to be the sign and mercy for mankind in Surah 19:21 Prophet Mohammad is a True Prophet - He was given the Prophecy that the followers of Jesus will be superior till resurrection day and for now this prophecy stands True.
Isaac married a full grown woman! No 3 year old child would be capable of watering camel! Please people stop listening to what someone simply claims is written in the Bible! Open it and read for yourself!😢
Muslims please read all context when you say Jesus said he is sending another comforter its not mohammed because the next verse say that the comforter will testify of Jesus and come from the Father. A- TESTIFY OF JESUS B- OF THE FATHER two statements that go against the teaching of the Quran all together
And please...you don't have to accept or believe in a book to accurately represent what it says. You don't need to believe the bible to say, "in this chapter the bible says....blah, blah, blah". So saying only the verse that I want is valid and all the words surrounding it should be thrown out shows a level of intellectual dishonesty. English Literature 101 folks. It doesn't take away from your belief if you're honest about what a text says in its full context.
The one who accuse of not having the authentic Bible us the one to provide it to us.. so ww will beleive... The burden of proof is on the accuser,not the accused.. Bring it
god has revealed the bible and not the gospels of john, thomas etc... these are people with lusts, weaknesses and interests... it is necessary to ask questions as a believer..
@@slimaneghaddari462 you are the one saying we don't have authentic Bible. Then prouve it to us, You can only prouve the corrupted Bible with the authentic Bible. Do you have it? If I want to prove you that you have false iPhone made in China, I must provide you with the original authentic iPhone to verify, so the burden is on me to provide the authentic iPhone to disqualified the fake contrefacon product I have.. In.the court of law, evidence speak louder than claimant accusations so, Muslims must clear their accusations buy providing the original Bible.. We still waiting since 1400 year. We wbe patien until you provide evidence
@@slimaneghaddari462 are you serious.. omds you muslims are funny, even your own prophet was suicidal and was a man of sin and a man with interest.. you see how you contradict yourself?? don't be like Muhammed and shuiaib.
@@Bush2g9 you are cool. But I like all four of you in the panel. I am not a hater, pls do not misunderstand my intention for my question, which is, _if God's Word is perfect ie Quran, then why it has abrogations?_
@3:45 Baba says that the spirit of error shows a false prophet, and I agree, but doesn’t Satan trick Mohammed into thinking he’s Gabriel. Mohammed is easily tricked by Satan. God is not the author of confusion. How does this so called get tricked by Satan, if he is a true prophet of God?
No he never gets tricked by Satan. Nothing in the Quran is Confusing, the bible on the other hand has many things confusing things. You cannot say God isnt the Author of Confusion and much of the church is still divided based on interpretation (Denominations) , the Trinity, the hundreds of years of in fighting to eliminate heresy’s and apostasy.
he was talking about a false characterization of the prophets from sources based on hearsay. Who cares what some people say about the prophet, we stick to our and only scripture which is the Quran, simple!
@138.00 muslims guys just debunked yourselves and blatantly showed Jesus over Mohammed including the by their own words "the Holy Spirit on Jesus constantly" then saying Mohammed never had that😂😂😂😂😂
David & Avery: Jesus is the Messiah of mankind but NOT God Almighty - Jesus came to Glorify God the Father and not to dethrone HIM. Trinity is not a mystery - simply misunderstood The Spirit proceeds from The Father In Christ Jesus - Exhibits Reveals a relation between God & man exists The Three are Not co-equal Though the Three do coexist. The Hierarchy of God The Father needs to be maintained in all circumstances - if not - you have taken the bait of equality offered to the 1st Adam and he fell for it where as the 2nd Adam Jesus did not fall to it when tempted thus resulting in mankind’s salvation.
Baba, I didn't see this coming, Baba please do stay humble after this debate.. keep the good work..
Since you reject Hadiths so David wood have no expertize to counter you through Quran..
Baba debating with David Wood, man brother, I hope you will be even more huge, you deserve it.
Peace bro. Well done on this. So proud. Praise God!
ive come to the end of the video and ive learned that david and avery arent debating for the ‘truth’ AT ALL, they’re just arguing to win. They poke way too much fun, and dont even own up to it when it gets called out. Im genuinely disappointed, and im sure Jesus wouldn’t be too happy with their methods either.
Also Shuaib made an excellent point at the end that was barely acknowledged regarding the ‘majority’. If you read such verses as 7:102, 10:36, 12:106, etc etc. you can see that the christians are stuck on the fact that most muslims follow the narrations, but Allah makes it so clear that the majority of the people ‘don’t use reason’ and ‘will lead you astray’ and ‘they follow their forefathers, even when their forefathers had no knowledge’.
David and Avery definitely lost this one because they’re too busy being on the ‘attack’, blinded by their biases and predilections. Muhammad and Shuaib made it clear, that the book is clear and fully detailed ‘to the believers’, but ‘majority of muslims’ are simply following assumptions and whatever they found their forefathers doing, without question, without critical thinking.
Allah doesn’t want blind followers, He wants critical thinkers. Why do you think “will you not use reason?” and “will you not ponder?” are frequently asked questions in the Quran to its readers? Food for thought.
Alhamdulillahi Rabbil-3aalameen ☝🏽
So you accept the Christians won , did Allah and Jesus sent prophet Muhammad ? Answer,, because that's why the Muslims contradicted 😂
@@tjboat24but Jesus did NOT send Muhammad.
Jesus made dua for another messenger and Allaah granted the dua so idiots like you can be brought out of the darkness.
@@tjboat24 if thats what you understood from my message then maybe you’re not worth the discussion. Best of luck on your own journey.
Than u didn't listen to the debate properly 😭😂, watch it again on how David and avory destroyed both of ur Muslim friends
@@vinotozhimo5510 confirmation bias will be the end of you. consider yourself warned 🤷🏼♂️
As soon as David and Avery saw they can't use the garbage books "fake Islamic sources" to debate, their entire debate fell apart, and quickly turned into strawman arguments, attempted trappings and poor word play.
Bukari is a fake source?
Man i love that, because literally most of their arguments are based on narrations, some even claim they have an argument against the Quran and then proceed to talk about ahadiths and it's so disturbing for true believers... (or enraging i should say)
Subhanallah
Lovely introduction, if they were seeking truth like the debate need to finish after the introduction ❤❤❤❤❤
Finally Baba is being unleashed. Avery plays many word games, but Baba is on him like fire 😂
His a liar baaba
@@tjboat24😅😢😅❤🎉😢😊😢😅
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@@tjboat24😢
@@sulemanayakubu3060 😅
This is going no where with these 2 Christians
May Allah grant you both the best paradise. Finally someone who isn't afraid to speak the truth. Only the Quran is Allahs word.
Yo both of ur Muslim friends got smoked so bad watch it again bruh hahah
@@vinotozhimo5510 Honest people against professional liars.
Also the Christian guys kept trying to put words in the mouth of their opponents, a low tactic.
God is a witness, few of you remember God, because you think you are saved because you said some words or took a big bath, you are fooling yourselves and Satan has took hold of you.
God is one, Jesus is obviously created and he cannot save you, nothing Jesus does happens except by permission of God...
That's why he made dua, Jesus supplicated, he didn't tell God what to do...
This point was made in the debate, and your Christian idols didn't answer it... because they can't.
Peace
@28:23 That's the weak spot to attack, the initial spot. "Timber!" Peace.
😂😂😂 Christians smash Muslims, Muslims crying over open statements 😂😂😂
Wood looks hurt after Baba Shuaib's opening statement. Woods opening statement sounds like a boyish schoolyard form of debating jealous, disrespectful, childish, and lacking scholarship only "based on conversations he's had." He doesn't argue on the side of truth, he does it to win an arguement with a devilish play on words which you can hear in his almost unbearable tone of voice. Avery did okay but also argues with semantics as opposed to facts written in the scripture.
Devilish play on words is right, he got them straight out of Islamic sources😂😂😂
@@3factsNGsaying "I didn't even watch the debate" without saying it. Genius!
@@restlessnative3818 exactly, you should have watched it to see the full extent of how dumb the Muslim guys' arguments turned out
@@3factsNG - You just proved my point regarding childish/immature statements with no intellect. Your the perfect rep for your religon.
@restlessnative3818 Says the guys who can read write and seems educated enough to at least have the intelligence to know that a pedophile caravan robbing 3 rock ass wiping guy is no more than a brilliant con man and yet follows him as a prophet.
Yeah really great rep for your religion and amazing how intellct works.
Quran Surah Al Hajj - 46 Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind.
These Christians are confused and just waffling through the whole debate, just playing semantics, it was hard to watch honestly. The failure to realise how they making a fool of themselves is mind boggling
No Muslims are confused and liars 😂😂😂
Quran is obviously not clear
The Bible has different interpretations too. Some verses are even removed my people who are not messengers or prophets.
@@tjboat24 Says you 🧐🥱
@@tjboat24in your dreams
To be real, the spirit in John, if it's a true prophecy it's clearly Jibreel.
In fact in the Quran it says the "trustworthy" spirit brought it (the Quran) down into your (Muhammad's) heart.
So i don't know why we always interpret in a way that seems different than both what the Bible and Quran say.
Anyways, peace brothers and sisters.
i love and respect christians, and have many respectful debates and discussions with them regularly. But i cant help thinking that avery and david are being super ingenuous, playing games instead of actually debating. im rather disappointed. Shuaib and Muhammad brought their evidences clearly, makes me proud to be a follower of the Quran 💙
Proving a point is not a game, you are deceiving yourself , Abdul
Alexander the Great is the quran 😂😂
× in the quran
The Muslims were destroyed with their false belief.
@@tjboat24 Well, mythicists, by your own standarts demolish your pagan Osiris like "Eat my flesh and blood" demigod...
Yet you don't follow the same standarts, God forbid you are honest...
Also, Jesus is an "abdul" in the Bible, he is called a servant, a slave of God directly in your Bible...
So before you try to mock us, remember that you are mocking your "god".
Peace
Avery is a child and not capable of intellectual debate without going into strawman arguments and baiting people. And debating fanatics is pointless, you cannot change what's in their hearts.
😂
I always wonder how you dont see that you worship an idol.
Your allah does not even know the Holy Spirit. Bet you know nothing about spiritual gifts either.
JAZAKALLAHU KHAIRAN BABA SHUIBU
Surah 19:33-34
Good debate brothers may everyone here understand the truth.
I would like to see you debate Sam Shamoun or Lloyd De Jongh, I think they are the only one in the religious space that can actually provide a challenging debate. Sam typically will also use Quran verses with his debates to prove his point, not just hadiths, and Lloyd De Jongh typically breaks down everything from historical documents, and can show you the different versions of the Koran that was present in the early days and that its not like the 1924 Cairo Official Version of the Koran that got printed and sent everywhere to the world.
I'm not apart of any religion anymore, but I do believe in God, and I would like to see what both sides bring to the table.
Hi brother
I’m not a hater or anything like that I’m subscribed to you and I just really think you could have pushed back a lot more. You wrote on the screen how David and Avery were missing your point, quoting the wrong verses etc. after the debate but you didn’t push back hard enough in the moment and you kind of just let them misinterpret/misunderstand your point. Brother Mohammed was a lil off topic, didn’t make many strong arguments, resorted to personal attacks and insults too frequently.
I’ve been interested in you since my clubhouse days and you have great arguments. I was really keen for this debate, I’m hoping you guys did a lot better in Part 2.
Shuaib im new to your chanel and newly Quran only, Allhumdulilla! I just wanted to say how well you did on the debate especially against such ignorange on the other side. May i also ask if you are able to do a video on the night journey and how you got to the conclusion its about Moses in a bit more depth please ? I have been trained to belive it was about the Prohpet Muhamad PBUH so would love to see your point of veiw. GOD BLESS 🙌
Salaam, kindly go to - th-cam.com/users/liveCpovS6PI9Ys?si=0IaBeUjic_h3BYRi. And start from 1.13.00
@@Bush2g9 thank you so much! So glad I found your chanel 😊
Good job baba and Muhammad
All that snickering and giggling is all you need to see. Smirking is a way to feel like you're more intelligent than the next person
The only proof you need is the revelation of the Quran. If Muhammad wasn’t a prophet he would not have been able to reveal such magical verses. Unchanged and unsurpassable by any human.
"The eyes are the leather straps of the anus" brings tears to my ears every time. Timeless wisdom from muhammad.
Beautifully done brothers. May Allah continue to grant you support and fill the two of you with even more knowledge and wisdom.
when muslims lie and deceive it's a thing beautifully done🤢in the Quran it says that Allah is a father to no one, so if Jesus was just a Muslim prophet then why did he call God his father, number 1 answer is.. the bible has been corrupted but then they go on to qoute the bible, I never quote the Quran to make a point because I know it's all rubbish deception and lies😩
How can he do that since he doesnt exist?
The Muslims were crushed by their false belief.
How on earth is it possible to overlook the claims that were made against Muhammad? Dear Muslims, are you OK with the behavior of muhammad! Muslims, have you ever investigated your prophet? If he is what you believe him to be, he should be able to withstand being critiqued critically!
The Quran does not say that Prophet Muhammad is a false prophet, rather, it clearly states that " the son of Maryam was not crucified". So, wrt Q, anything based on crucifixion is falsehood, and they know the truth...
Yes, they know the truth. 😂😂😂😂😂
And Jesus is the Son of God. They know the truth... 😂😂😂😂😂
the way the christians are bringing up narrations while debating Quran only muslims 😂🤷🏼♂️
Muslims:*bring up hadith*
Christians: “hey this hadith disproves your point”
Muslims “don’t bring up the hadith!!!! We only like the koran”
@@bwestbrook90 😂 this just exposes how little you know about the topic. You’d do best to not speak on what you have no knowledge lest you make a fool of yourself and it comes back ironically biting you in the ass. peace
@@bwestbrook90it’s as ignorant as bringing the gospel of Thomas for chrtians
@@bwestbrook90 We are Quran alone Muslims, when did we even "bring up hadith"?
Literally check their channel, they talk clearly about their stance on that matter.
Hadiths are like part of your gospels, they have some truth and some falsehood.
Peace
@@bwestbrook90say you're completely ignorant about the Muslim community without saying it
Salaam to all.
Great debate, hope to see some more great debates like this.Chirtians believe in the trinity, if Jesus died, that means that Jesus, the holy spirit & the father died, that means they have no god. Hope to see the next debate. Salaam.
god has revealed the bible and not the gospels of john, thomas etc... these are people with lusts, weaknesses and interests.. you must ask questions of this.
The Bible is according to Mathew,Mark,Luke & John(havent meet Jesus). The Bible is not what Jesus posses. The Injel(in Hebrew) is what Jesus received.
The Gospel of John is a really bad source for Muslims, we should be sticking to Mark 10:18 and a few other things in Mark and Mathew. Exodus is enough to support the prophethood of Muhummad aliahi salaam.
😂 You Muslims are funny. Christians debate Muslims on the Quran because that is what you guys believe in. Muslims don't want to debate Christians on the fullness of their Bible because the Bible confirms what Christians believe in. You guys are wild.
Love this debate may allah guide us all. Have a good one shuaib
🤝🏾🫡
Avery what are you smoking I like to have that one when I lost all my money in gambling and answer my wife
Baba Shuaib is the Muslim we should all pray for.
You all muslims as well as your allah and muhammad are funny and laughable , your religion came almost 700 years late and yet you cannot fabricate a more convincing story about Christ's crucifixion. Christ was seen up close by Mary,His siblings,His disciples , by the Parhissees/Jews , Roman soldiers was there mocking an almost NAKED Christ and yet your allah can only come up with that story of faking Christ crucifixion.😂
Why do you pray for Baba ? isn't that shirk ?
@@williamtan9655 No
as A refreee Shuaib Sounds Most logical and wisest may Allah Give Him Jannah And More Wisdom
As Allah Is The One Who Gives Wisdom
Salaamun 3alaykum, has the second debate been released yet? (about jesus)
Salaam, I will be uploading that later today inshaa'a-llah 🤝🏾
More people would accept Islam if it wasn't for the lies people are told from Bukhari. Truly the Sunnis have abandoned the Quran and that is why they call themselves 'Sunni'.
They hide it behind their backs and have other books in which they find what they desire. God tells us in the Reading. 😊
@@STVDENT Exactly. There are hadith that tell you to stand up while drinking and others that tell you sit down while drinking. They don't even have unanimous consensus on time of Asr prayer and things in prayer like where you should hold your hands. A lot of hadith are completely out of context. The hadith distort the truth and make it lifeless, technical and purely ritualistic which is the kind of "Islam" much of the "Islamic" countries are blindly following.
Your religion is false may Christ bless u and find ur way to the true Lord
Behold, we hurl Truth against falsehood and it knocks out it's brain. That's what we just saw. Baba Shuaib and Muhammad are men of Truth.
They got smoked
The Christians were not being bullies. The Muslims feel like they are being bullied when their arguments are refuted.
Which arguments got refuted?
The part of the debate regarding Masjid al Aqsa , not all Sunni scholars of the past believed it was in the Levant . I think Al Azraqi suggested it was outside the boundary of the holy Sanctuary in Makkah .
Brother Shuaib! I would recommend not to quote the new testament, because it's principal the same like the hadith just in Christianity. Base your arguments around the old testament. The Ingil what Allah swt. gave to Jesus (peace be upon him). It's still corrupt, but this is a mistake which gained the Christians a advantage even tho you and Muhammad did very good. It was a nice debate, was loving listening to it. People who reason are on your side, guys! Peace.
Came out of allah discussion is so stupid by Avery. Like taking it literally the word as if prophet Muhammad dropped out of the sky from god. Like how insanely stupid is that? Its a way of saying? My head hurts..
They force their understanding of "from God" to their Bible, and want to do the same with our statements or the Quran...
Twisting the tongues...
Peace
The bible agording Tom John is like the ahadith books from Bughari Muslim...
Pagan.
Nothing divine about them.
The Qoraan is fully detailed by Allaah ❤❤❤The Almighty The Creator of all.
Nothing els
David takes all points from ahadis which are man made.
It was so embarrassing and kinda hurtful to watch those christians come into a debate using lies and falsehoods(hadiths) to defend their stand. Atleast have the decency to use correct sources and dont try and stick to them if you told they are wrong. Damn that was cringe to watch.
The problem is with us tbh. Muslims have scholars who use and project hadith as an authentic source for following Islam. So people who do not believe in Islam will only know that. And we all know how false hadiths are
Name one lie 😂
They smashed the Muslims 😂
Name one ? The Christians quoted your books and confirmed Muhammad was false prophet 😂
Didn't the Muslim guys refuse their own sources and wanted only quran? Now you want sources??
God logic is very perfidious
... if they bring hadiths with some bad things about Prophet Muhammad, why not bring "hadiths/tammlud" with
some bad things Jusus/Prophet Isa,... as mentioned all Prophets had enemies who said and wrote lies about them,...
Quoting the Hadiths is like trying to dismiss the new testament through quoting Gnostic Scripture.
“Even” is part of Old English, which the Muslims were using the KJV. When translated from the Greek, “even” is not there. The Greek grammar will show that comforter is also spirit of truth. So in modern English of today, use either NJKV or ESV. We are not speaking in Old English. And wood and Avery weren’t wrong. In old English it would be better understood in todays English as … “comforter which is even the spirit of truth.”
Baba and Muhammad are so authentic and evidence based. Bravo.
MashAllah my brother doing great work as always
Since when is lying and deceiving doing a great work, number 1answer is.. when you're muslim 😁
If muhamad was the final messenger why is Jesus going to return to fight the antichrist & no one will ever see muhamad ever again? the answer is a simple one, because how can muhamad being an antichrist fight against the antichrist 😩
If you ask questions that don’t make sense to hold on to your ingrained beliefs, it’s better to stay quiet and wait for judgement day. You’re not a truth seeker
We need some debate about "is Jesus God?"
Does not make sense because everyone know Jesus is God except false Prophet Madm
1:38:00 Jesus had the holy Spirit with him constantly unlike Muhammad that used to make mistakes.. 😮
Hallelujah..
I guess I know why this topic is debated, since Muslims so desperately need it to be true......but, really this defies logic. I am a Nigerian of Yoruba descent. If I made the statement ALL my ancestors are Nigerians, that would be a lie from the pits of hell. Why? Nigeria did not exist until the British came. Therefore, all my Yoruba ancestors that predate them CANNOT be called Nigerians. It is common sense.
As for the word "son" how idiotic are these arguments? If I say someone is "a son of the soil" does that mean the soil got pregnant and gave birth a son? Obviously, the word "son" has to derive its meaning from the context in which I used it.
The mosque that Allah took his messenger to was the mosque in Medina. From Mecca to Medina. The only mosque that’s blessed as the mosque in Mecca is the mosque in Medina. Allah compares the two mosque..
When he quoted John and the spirit of truth he already lost
Everything is from Allah means everything is His
Yes, but I don't think that was the point. Can you say that you come from God in the sense that you share in Allahs devine nature?
Woods and avery your game over english is comical we all know it
I couldn't follow what these guys were actually debating. However in my church it was read and explained that either Jesus or God met with Abraham before going to destroy Soddom and Gomorrah. So when Jesus said to the Jews he met Abraham that is one of the incident/s.
MFG and Buba told you that God spoke directly through Jesus and Muhammad this is part of being a prophet - and then you say Jesus told Muhammad to come? Why can you people not see basic reason? Jesus was a prophet Created by God, the bible makes that clear. If you want to worship a prophet against his wishes then go ahead, nobody is stopping you, but I'm warning you now: he will disown and deny you on the day of judgment, calling you an evil doer and telling the truth which is: he NEVER KNEW YOU.
Peace. (Go back to worshipping God ALONE like Adam, David, Jonah, Jesus, Muhammad, Soloman, Abraham did.)
😂😂😂😂😂😂 really donkeys who carrying gospels
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
16:7 “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”
16:8 “And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:”
You can see that this Holy Spirit/Jesus was referring to Muhammad Peace be on to him
This couldn’t be anyone one else since it stated it will come after Jesus is gone and Holly spirit has appeared already before Jesus was alive
You and Muhammad answered all their questions. We non sect Muslims support you and the Quran. You two brothers are in authority by Allah permission. We as your supporters hear and obey.❤❤
David Wood really lacks knowledge I swear by Allah
Lol Mohammed can't be asked a single question without sperging out its hilarious.
The Koran is according to Allah unlike other books(not mention in the Koran) which is according to mankind! And when you talk about Islam PLEASE only quote from the Koran.
The only authority you can use to judge Muhammad’s prophethood by is the Quran, which he wrote himself?
I myself am definitely a prophet, the greatest prophet ever, and you can only refer to this comment when arguing if that’s true.
This line of “argument” is infuriating and the arrogance and unexplained hostility make this video almost unwatchable.
Edit: almost messed up and gave people a way to deny my prophethood there - all of this comment is the absolutely true word of god, not man.
Wow nice job baba Shuaib 🙌🏻🙌🏻🫡🫡
@@sefidrawan1 👍🏾🤝🏾🫡
Wow! These Muslim guys really destroy n twist John 14, like really badly to make it sound Islamic. Unbelievable! Just be honest about the verse
Bro Why would anyone even debate Avery 😂 everytime i have seen a debate with him he lies , denies simple
Logic and makes Up stuff about the the opponen. He has the worst debating skills I have ever seen.
@@MRCroosingTootH 🤝🏾 Facts
Talk about a schooling well done in both debates Shuaib and Muhammad🤣
Were you deaf and blind, the Mullahs were crushed by their false belief.
I charge the God of the Bible and the translated Quran of nepotism, choosing Prophets from the Middle East.
He shall glorify me : Prophet Mohammad clearly glorifies Jesus in Surah 3:55 / All who follow Jesus will be superior (will enter Jannah ) till resurrection day.
3:56 further calls all those who do not believe in following Jesus’ kafirs who will suffer terrible agony ( will be in hell ) and NO other Prophet will be able to help rejector of Jesus - not even Messenger Mohammad.
I do have great respect for Baba Shuaib knowledge and stand against the Hadith followers - though he is in denial of Surah 3:55/56 and the Decree of Allah endorsing Jesus to be the sign and mercy for mankind in Surah 19:21
Prophet Mohammad is a True Prophet - He was given the Prophecy that the followers of Jesus will be superior till resurrection day and for now this prophecy stands True.
Try to align 3.55-56 to 61.14 🙏🏾 and get my point of view 🤝🏾
Correction: only Allah knows who is going to Jenna (paradise).
So Mohammad comes out f ok the Father 😂😂😂 you Muslims are kaffir now
How did Moses go to mosque if it wasnt build yet
Isaac married a full grown woman! No 3 year old child would be capable of watering camel! Please people stop listening to what someone simply claims is written in the Bible! Open it and read for yourself!😢
1:20:37 big knockout. Quran did not give detailed explanation 😂😂😂
Colonial English beating woods
Salaam alikum excellent video keep up the good work God bless
Muslims please read all context when you say Jesus said he is sending another comforter its not mohammed because the next verse say that the comforter will testify of Jesus and come from the Father.
A- TESTIFY OF JESUS
B- OF THE FATHER
two statements that go against the teaching of the Quran all together
And please...you don't have to accept or believe in a book to accurately represent what it says. You don't need to believe the bible to say, "in this chapter the bible says....blah, blah, blah". So saying only the verse that I want is valid and all the words surrounding it should be thrown out shows a level of intellectual dishonesty.
English Literature 101 folks. It doesn't take away from your belief if you're honest about what a text says in its full context.
Where is the authentic bible?? Not the bible of John, Thomas etc...
The one who accuse of not having the authentic Bible us the one to provide it to us.. so ww will beleive...
The burden of proof is on the accuser,not the accused..
Bring it
god has revealed the bible and not the gospels of john, thomas etc... these are people with lusts, weaknesses and interests... it is necessary to ask questions as a believer..
@@slimaneghaddari462 you are the one saying we don't have authentic Bible. Then prouve it to us,
You can only prouve the corrupted Bible with the authentic Bible.
Do you have it?
If I want to prove you that you have false iPhone made in China, I must provide you with the original authentic iPhone to verify, so the burden is on me to provide the authentic iPhone to disqualified the fake contrefacon product I have..
In.the court of law, evidence speak louder than claimant accusations so,
Muslims must clear their accusations buy providing the original Bible..
We still waiting since 1400 year.
We wbe patien until you provide evidence
@@slimaneghaddari462 are you serious.. omds you muslims are funny, even your own prophet was suicidal and was a man of sin and a man with interest.. you see how you contradict yourself?? don't be like Muhammed and shuiaib.
"Jesus spoke on behalf of God in first person. So when Jesus said My Father,, that was God talking through Jesus. 😂😂😂😂 End of debate for the Muslim.
David knows 1st john that's why he quoted correctly
Dear muslims you got cooked here
Dear PAGAN.... where's the SCOREBOARD? 😂
@@Bush2g9 you are cool. But I like all four of you in the panel. I am not a hater, pls do not misunderstand my intention for my question, which is, _if God's Word is perfect ie Quran, then why it has abrogations?_
Bro. You got destroyed in this debate. You shouldn’t have posted it
🤣🤣🤣 EVERY CONFUSED PAGAN THINKS SO
@@Bush2g9 bro. You had no argument. You both got destroyed and right from the first minute. And that guy had to start insulting 🤣. You are funny.
@3:45 Baba says that the spirit of error shows a false prophet, and I agree, but doesn’t Satan trick Mohammed into thinking he’s Gabriel. Mohammed is easily tricked by Satan. God is not the author of confusion. How does this so called get tricked by Satan, if he is a true prophet of God?
No he never gets tricked by Satan. Nothing in the Quran is Confusing, the bible on the other hand has many things confusing things.
You cannot say God isnt the Author of Confusion and much of the church is still divided based on interpretation (Denominations) , the Trinity, the hundreds of years of in fighting to eliminate heresy’s and apostasy.
Muhammed and Snuaib got cooked live...
🤣🤣🤣🤣 Every PAGAN thinks so 😂
Can the Christian’s not see the mix up in the English language of the bible😊
Jesus and Allah sent Muhammad 😂😂😂 Muslims never read all the passages 😂
Without lies Islam dies,
Oh dear David Wood and Avery destroyed mohammed at the beginning. I couldn't laugh, the Muslims faces went red. 😂😂
he was talking about a false characterization of the prophets from sources based on hearsay. Who cares what some people say about the prophet, we stick to our and only scripture which is the Quran, simple!
I imagine Christian prince watching this JESUS IS GOD ❤
😂😅🤣 "The PAGAN prince" 🤭
1:09:56 😂😂 shuaib shot himself..
@138.00 muslims guys just debunked yourselves and blatantly showed Jesus over Mohammed including the by their own words "the Holy Spirit on Jesus constantly" then saying Mohammed never had that😂😂😂😂😂
this muslim is look 👀 like a drunk hashi users ?
@@MutahshishuMomo confused pagan 🙄 it is obvious u never did well in school 🚮
David & Avery: Jesus is the Messiah of mankind but NOT God Almighty - Jesus came to Glorify God the Father and not to dethrone HIM.
Trinity is not a mystery - simply misunderstood
The Spirit proceeds from The Father
In Christ Jesus - Exhibits
Reveals a relation between God & man exists
The Three are Not co-equal
Though the Three do coexist.
The Hierarchy of God The Father needs to be maintained in all circumstances - if not - you have taken the bait of equality offered to the 1st Adam and he fell for it where as the 2nd Adam Jesus did not fall to it when tempted thus resulting in mankind’s salvation.
What is the function of a messiah?
What does messiah means according to islam?
@@whoisthispleasefathmah8963he cant answer dont waiste your time
56:16 Do you believe that Jesus and the father sent Muhammad? He said yes. 😂😂
So Jesus is your Allah.
😂😂😂 lets get on with the same topic then Muslims asked same questions 😂😂😂
Please don't use PBU for Jesus. Jesus is alive and He is merciful! We all know why it is used for Mohamed every single time 😜
Confused Pagan 😂 ... Read Koran 19.33 😅
Baba the bible is pretty much toilet paper. I wouldn't even refer to it.