I think hand like A5s also make sense to try protect after checking and get some value and then they made trips so they keep betting. 65s and 54s also might be in there some of the time.
I think check raising flop is a better option. At least you will know where you stand pretty quickly. Make it double plus what you would continue on the turn with. If they raise you can just fold, if they flat you are more than likely behind. If they're bluffing, you take the pot there and then.
Thank you so much for your content and advice Nathan! Your exploitative approach works wonders at low stakes. I've been studying a lot of theory over the past 2 years and while I think I'm learning how to play sound poker, I'm losing $$ in low stakes cash. Lately I've simply followed your exploits and I've started to print $$.
When I started playing NL 25 online I started to get the bad aggro regs who do this. If they are repping absolutely nothing calling them down like this is great. Another move these players like to do is to min raise you on the turn when you barrel on a scare card, as if they are telling the scare card (even though no one who actually had the scare card would do that). Then you just shove on them in those spots and they fold 90% of the time.
The key point is, the number of bluff combinations on a bad/poorly coordinated board far exceeds the number of hands so good that they never check back to control pot size. They're representing a top 1% hand, whereas in this situation, a bad reg is 10-20x more likely to have a bluff that your bluff catcher hand can beat than the 1% hand they're representing.
Well ! I had ace& king & raised 21 dollars in 1/2 game and a bad player called ! The flop came king,4 ,9 and he raised to 25 dollars and raised him to 125 dollars then he goes all in about 250 dollars & I called and he showed 4 & 7 off suit but the he hit another 4 in turn to make a trips ..all I lost about 400 dollars in this hand ..u never know .
@@chefmikeankh6434 he went all in when he had around 80% to win the hand, he can't control what cards come so he shouldn't care that he got outdrawn that time.
I'm so confused. He starts out by saying we're talking about low stakes games at the beginning. Then at the end, he says this is an advanced play that should only be used in higher stakes games, and you don't want to be calling someone down on all 3 streets in a low stakes game.
The casino's here in south Florida have a high hand jackpot every 30 minutes which most people who flip a set with pocket 9s or 4s wouldn't be the flop fearing you fold and they lose out on $500 high hand jackpot. So really the person who bets out in three streets would literally have nothing or the very worse ace nine suited. That would be the only hand that may do this besides a bluff.
So you let a bad player who can have anything see all 5 cards and your calling w Ace High? I’m good, I’ll continuation bet or check raise on the flop or turn.
Simple Trick to Catch Them Bluffing.... Be a sheriff. When you call their big bet on the river and they show you J9 for most of your stack it was not a bad call it was just bad luck.
He also fails to talk about the really bad players that will call and raise with 45s or 95o and have no real mind to play poker. You're sitting at the table using these strategies, and the schmuck is blind calling everything. It's even worse at a low stakes home game...lol
What do you mean they are representing nothing? You don’t know their cards. If they board shows 9, 4, 5, and they hold a 4, you are beat with your A, K!! And if they hold A, 5, then you are destroyed on the Turn. And you are assuming this player has nothing, so you probably lose more.
Respectfully disagree with doing this at low stakes. In general since this board hits the villains range you should just be check folding. While this is passive, you just save more money long term at low stakes in this spot. If you’re not going to c-bet this bet, with the thought that they will stab…you should be re-raising 100% of the time of time for simplification. If they fold you win. If they call you can put them on their exact range, they are 100% capped. On turn if you hit a king or ace you can try to play a small check call spot until showdown. If you miss you just check fold.
You never told us our position with AK. From early position, this is a terrible C bet board. The only good hands we have are over pairs and 99, where btn has all sets, A9S, down to maybe 97S, plus good draws like A2 and A3 suited with a back door. We can only credibly C bet this flop from CO or HJ. With nut no pair, a bluff catcher, we have no reason to bet. All hands worse will fold, all hands better, even 66 won't fold. I'm prob calling from btn with 22 here for at least one street. Second, AQ and AJ are terrible bluffs, as initial raiser is never folding an over pair or 99, so btn is betting specificly hoping we have exactly AK. Also, wheel draws, especially with backdoor flush draws are clear bets for btn, as are hands like 87S and 76S. In short, on this flop, btn has more made hands and way more draws than us. Such a bad spot for AK. From early and most mid positions, this is an easy check and maybe call, once kinda hand.
Nah. We have advantage. Hero Has AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, A9s, K9s for value here in our betting line. That's 36 Combos. We have range advantage...they have nut advantage though. With all of those hands you bet for value, ->you have to have Bluffs to give incentive for button to call with bluff catchers. We need lots of Bluffs. WE have A2 of spades, club, hearts [3 COmbos] A3 of spades, club hearts [3 combos] A4 of spades and club [2 Combos] A6 of spades club heart [3 COmbos] . . . A7, A8, AT of same suits [9 Combos] JT, of the same ^ all are our best bluffing hands.... All of those hands have equity against the majority of villains continuing range....we should bet 75 percent of the pot too.
You're strategy would get smashed. Essentially - the second you check on this board with a strategy like this, villain can blast you off your equity with ease
Dude, I think you should be adding bet sizing , pot sizes and effective stacks along with positions & any history between particular players. Are you just learning-as-you-go? No offence but I used to see this incomplete HH stuff a bunch in the early/mid 2000s when potential horses would attempt getting staked after they go on their first rush of upside poker with a sample size of luckboxing 1 in 5 tournies or nitting up an OMC table for 10 hours over 5 sessions. If this indeed is the case , I would certainly be sure to let your viewers know that you are learning-as-you-go because you miss _A LOT_ of stuff... not being as specific as possible doesnt really work to optimize your learning potential when discussing hand strat. Why you are even attempting to make it _even more difficult_ to make money in the "poker community" can be reasonably argued as well Poker training sites = BAD 3RD party online poker programs (HUDs, real time solvers etc) = BAD 🤷♂
How often do you catch them in a bluff? Also, here are the top 5 hands you're probably playing wrong: th-cam.com/video/bGJHTA_gyxw/w-d-xo.html
What about the villain having ace 5?
@@chefmikeankh6434 In that case, you quit poker.
I think hand like A5s also make sense to try protect after checking and get some value and then they made trips so they keep betting. 65s and 54s also might be in there some of the time.
Yeah, I agree with you... A5s, 99, 44, 55, 54s, 67s are all crushing and probably c-b-b-b. Why even bother sticking around in a small pot post-flop?
I’ve been watching your videos for about a year and have used your strategy. I want to thank you because my profit has gone up like crazy.
Glad my videos have helped you! Thanks for watching.
I think check raising flop is a better option. At least you will know where you stand pretty quickly. Make it double plus what you would continue on the turn with. If they raise you can just fold, if they flat you are more than likely behind. If they're bluffing, you take the pot there and then.
But if this player is maniac you never know, he'll put you in tough situations
I have 9 10 and just got 3 streets of value from what i read as 66 to 88. Thank you
Thank you so much for your content and advice Nathan! Your exploitative approach works wonders at low stakes. I've been studying a lot of theory over the past 2 years and while I think I'm learning how to play sound poker, I'm losing $$ in low stakes cash. Lately I've simply followed your exploits and I've started to print $$.
Happy to help!
What I didn’t hear mentioned was that this board smashes the buttons range and depending on the bet size, should influence how often you call or fold.
When I started playing NL 25 online I started to get the bad aggro regs who do this. If they are repping absolutely nothing calling them down like this is great. Another move these players like to do is to min raise you on the turn when you barrel on a scare card, as if they are telling the scare card (even though no one who actually had the scare card would do that). Then you just shove on them in those spots and they fold 90% of the time.
That's a great point and a common move by bad regs!
This is a very good video.
Of how not to play AKo
Thanks Donny!
They could have 67s i was three barreled just last week in a similar spot.
when doing multitable, i find it hard to keep a check on if a table is still "good" and recreational. should we just do 1-2 tables vs 4+ ?
The key point is, the number of bluff combinations on a bad/poorly coordinated board far exceeds the number of hands so good that they never check back to control pot size. They're representing a top 1% hand, whereas in this situation, a bad reg is 10-20x more likely to have a bluff that your bluff catcher hand can beat than the 1% hand they're representing.
Well ! I had ace& king & raised 21 dollars in 1/2 game and a bad player called ! The flop came king,4 ,9 and he raised to 25 dollars and raised him to 125 dollars then he goes all in about 250 dollars & I called and he showed 4 & 7 off suit but the he hit another 4 in turn to make a trips ..all I lost about 400 dollars in this hand ..u never know .
I’m with you. What about ace 5? Bad Aggro reg will call. With 9x too
You got your money in great, that's all you should care about
@@officertenpenny9792 hello, what do you mean? Can you explain?
@@chefmikeankh6434 he went all in when he had around 80% to win the hand, he can't control what cards come so he shouldn't care that he got outdrawn that time.
Yeah, but you had him dominated at the time of the all-in. There's no accounting for dumb luck.
Would you still call if on the river they bet 1.5 the pot
I'm so confused. He starts out by saying we're talking about low stakes games at the beginning. Then at the end, he says this is an advanced play that should only be used in higher stakes games, and you don't want to be calling someone down on all 3 streets in a low stakes game.
Low stakes vs microstakes
The casino's here in south Florida have a high hand jackpot every 30 minutes which most people who flip a set with pocket 9s or 4s wouldn't be the flop fearing you fold and they lose out on $500 high hand jackpot. So really the person who bets out in three streets would literally have nothing or the very worse ace nine suited. That would be the only hand that may do this besides a bluff.
Bonita springs?
I bet most watching this have made this play. It feels so good when you are right. Unfortunately, they have jacks 80% of the time.
Joking
Microstakes is good 😊
67 will do that
So you let a bad player who can have anything see all 5 cards and your calling w Ace High? I’m good, I’ll continuation bet or check raise on the flop or turn.
Simple Trick to Catch Them Bluffing.... Be a sheriff. When you call their big bet on the river and they show you J9 for most of your stack it was not a bad call it was just bad luck.
The river changes nothing ??? 6 7 just got there ..
What the hell are saying ?
I like your videos but I still run into monsters hands 😢
He also fails to talk about the really bad players that will call and raise with 45s or 95o and have no real mind to play poker. You're sitting at the table using these strategies, and the schmuck is blind calling everything. It's even worse at a low stakes home game...lol
I agree with everything but unfortunately, the board is almost never this dry.
What do you mean they are representing nothing? You don’t know their cards. If they board shows 9, 4, 5, and they hold a 4, you are beat with your A, K!! And if they hold A, 5, then you are destroyed on the Turn. And you are assuming this player has nothing, so you probably lose more.
Respectfully disagree with doing this at low stakes. In general since this board hits the villains range you should just be check folding. While this is passive, you just save more money long term at low stakes in this spot.
If you’re not going to c-bet this bet, with the thought that they will stab…you should be re-raising 100% of the time of time for simplification. If they fold you win. If they call you can put them on their exact range, they are 100% capped. On turn if you hit a king or ace you can try to play a small check call spot until showdown. If you miss you just check fold.
You never told us our position with AK. From early position, this is a terrible C bet board. The only good hands we have are over pairs and 99, where btn has all sets, A9S, down to maybe 97S, plus good draws like A2 and A3 suited with a back door. We can only credibly C bet this flop from CO or HJ. With nut no pair, a bluff catcher, we have no reason to bet. All hands worse will fold, all hands better, even 66 won't fold. I'm prob calling from btn with 22 here for at least one street. Second, AQ and AJ are terrible bluffs, as initial raiser is never folding an over pair or 99, so btn is betting specificly hoping we have exactly AK. Also, wheel draws, especially with backdoor flush draws are clear bets for btn, as are hands like 87S and 76S. In short, on this flop, btn has more made hands and way more draws than us. Such a bad spot for AK. From early and most mid positions, this is an easy check and maybe call, once kinda hand.
Nah.
We have advantage.
Hero Has AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, A9s, K9s for value here in our betting line.
That's 36 Combos. We have range advantage...they have nut advantage though.
With all of those hands you bet for value, ->you have to have Bluffs to give incentive for button to call with bluff catchers.
We need lots of Bluffs.
WE have
A2 of spades, club, hearts [3 COmbos]
A3 of spades, club hearts [3 combos]
A4 of spades and club [2 Combos]
A6 of spades club heart [3 COmbos] . . .
A7, A8, AT of same suits [9 Combos]
JT, of the same ^ all are our best bluffing hands....
All of those hands have equity against the majority of villains continuing range....we should bet 75 percent of the pot too.
You're strategy would get smashed. Essentially - the second you check on this board with a strategy like this, villain can blast you off your equity with ease
Lol you have AK and they have 66 , 77 , 88 … they still have a 100 percent equity pair after the river and your AK doesnt wow
Make the big call, take spare underwear, I realise where my stack has been disappearing to now. thanks.
Good call! What other tips would you suggest?
In my game, the aggressor would have A3o and got there on the river
Dude, I think you should be adding bet sizing , pot sizes and effective stacks along with positions & any history between particular players.
Are you just learning-as-you-go? No offence but I used to see this incomplete HH stuff a bunch in the early/mid 2000s when potential horses would attempt getting staked after they go on their first rush of upside poker with a sample size of luckboxing 1 in 5 tournies or nitting up an OMC table for 10 hours over 5 sessions. If this indeed is the case , I would certainly be sure to let your viewers know that you are learning-as-you-go because you miss _A LOT_ of stuff... not being as specific as possible doesnt really work to optimize your learning potential when discussing hand strat.
Why you are even attempting to make it _even more difficult_ to make money in the "poker community" can be reasonably argued as well
Poker training sites = BAD
3RD party online poker programs (HUDs, real time solvers etc) = BAD
🤷♂