@25:07 "Let's check via awareness, what's actually going on" LOL! .. and what "could check" is actually illusory.. there's no way of knowing. I love that Andreas addresses this here because the "checking in" is often used as a practice by some non duality "teachers" which I find to be such a contradiction. Thanks Andreas!
Is like in a night dream, when is look like there are people there but are not, are only in our mind.And we are characters in the mind dream ( what we call life). The mind is not a entity, is not a person and is dreaming that is billion of people.And Andreas says: is and it isn't real ...is meant , the experience exists but is not made of matter, is only a mental experience.In a dream , when you arrive there, in a dream, is already a story there , you know who is what , from where he comes, why are there , you don't really know how you arrive there but a story exists already with a theory about that.In this dream (we call life)the story is that you was born ...etc...The Self, the Consciousness in movement is the mind.That mind is dreaming with the permission of the Consciousness but is not "forever". In some moment, parts of the mind wake up . Than, for one of this characters in the dream the story says that he is awakened and after his "physical" death a small part from the dreaming mind will stop to dream. When all the mind will wake up, (all of us )the manifestation will go on but nobody will say or feel "I am " and the mind will see the world as a whole , no separation ,no duality ,where is nobody there suffering or dying.The Consciousness will be the only one manifesting and the mind will know that never was separate and that the Consciousness is her source. Will be a dream but not a nightmare like now. Will be dreamed the Paradise. Now, the dream has levels : astral , etheric, hell, purgatory etc.After the total awakening of the mind will be only one level . Is my understanding ...maybe is not exactly like that but logical, manifestation can be only mental because Consciousness is not matter , will have only the appearance of matter . In "my" view ,the mind is a warehouse with all the thoughts possible, all possibilities and one of this thoughts is "I am ". We are "living" that possibility and the mind believe is true.This is the "error". But at the level of Consciousness is no problem because is not "real", only the mind is suffering for that thought "I am". In reality only "am" exists without the " I ". In manifestation are only verbs without nouns...example : no hand...only handing; no house...only housing...etc.The message is not bad for me. I meant without the I ,we are Consciousness , meant you lose the idea of person, individuality and gane all...mental peace, freedom , joy ...you are the Consciousness, you never were the body or the mind. All teachings are for the mind who think is the body , the teachings are not for the ego, the person, because the mind is dreaming , not the person. Sorry for my English ...is not my native language.
hihi I so understand his "giggle burps". I realized something similar at certain moments, and all you can do is laugh yourself silly really ... many thanks for uploading/sharing this.
So, we experience whatever the DREAMER/SLEEPER creates in the Dream state. When the Dreamer awakens, we are liberated by the Waker. And the Waking State realises it was just a Dream. Unless the Waker is actually still Dreaming. One who NEVER Wakes.
That's right, you have to keep working 💪 on it, that's why it's called "the razors edge"... so get busy... meditate 🧘♂️ 🧘♀️ meditate meditate meditate lol 😆
I believe it would be much different if the sense of I AM dropped from the collective since that experience of separation is the root of fear, anxiety, resentment, hate etc. Can't see how the need for War would even manifest itself in the absence of the illusion of separation.
I was wondering if there is a transmition, with these kinds of teachers or just just an understanding that will make you drop or let go. They don't call this a santsang that just been there open even without understanding is important
if there was such thing as 'someone else' making 'you' drop yourself, then that would just be an event in a story, further reinforcing the self and the story. In this case, the story of enligtenment or the end of self.
Prior to consciousness is the Absolute...Consciousness is the way that Absolute can BE something.Absolute contain "TO BE and NOT TO BE "contain existence and nonexistence.We are THAT .That is our beginning.From That ,Consciousness rise ;from Consciousness , the thoughts apear...infinite numbers of thoughts = The Mind who create mentally the Universe and create our bodies too and all bodies from Universe.Suffering apear when " I " apear.Is not an error is only one of the infinite thoughts posible.But because we know only our "reality " we think is the only one...Is not , are so many realities how many thoughts exists,infinite numbers...
So, in this "workshops" they teach no method nor technique to help you get "here, now, timeless present, etc". You pay (obviously), listen to paused outloud thoughts and stare at the wall? Is that it? or am i missing something?
Probably wouldn’t be staring at the wall so much, but may find yourself in intense thought much of the time. Didn’t know it was a workshop. But rather I thought it was a speaking. No teaching here for sure. Teaching needs a story.
So how does this affect living our daily lives? Since it is all an illusion should we let desires, creations, education, learning, building, becoming a better musician, realizing a standard of one's own possibility, just let it all go and sit in the woods and at grass???? Is it all pointless??? Don't we create what is important for us???
The point is that you dont exist, your whole being is an Illusion. This illusion creates more illusions and Storys, about everything. Its not real. WE all live in a Dream, and WE never stop seeking for the answers, because WE are made Up. And because WE are making ourselves Up, WE cannot recognize this simple truth.
@spinozasdreams yeah i believe that WE dont think that a tree, plants, mountains etc. Are Something. Our brain gives impulses, this impulses create the Illusion, that WE are Something WE gotta do Something, live has to have a meaning etc. But in reality you have No saying in this, No free will the bodily impulses from your brain and the Environment make you do stuff, everything Else is an Illusion. Thats my opinion or how i understand this things, but i am No expert Just interested in this Kind of stuff.
Why to believe to the idea that “there is only this” and nothing other exists? Who can proof this? Why that there cannot be other things that we don’t percieve?
@@MikkoVille I don’t see or feel that there is just this, nor there is nothing, nor everything is one. I am in dualistic world view or sensation. Therefore, for me what Andreas (or many others speaking as him) is saying is a theory and I have to believe him or not. What he is speaking is not obvious as the things I see with my eyes.
@@shlomobachar4123 Okay. I've had glimpses into this what he's describing, so I don't have to believe it or not, but that's all the mind can really do.
To know the there is no person there must be something there to report that. Yes the idea of me is an illusion but there is something (whatever you want to call it) that realizes that.
There is nothing to be realised, lol this is itself a realisation! So, keep on denying it, but realisation have creeped from the back, basically is a surprise. The ongoing in the circle with the hope of getting enlightenment is actually the illusion, being out of this game, this itself is an enlightenment. You win the game by being out. So, you may say, you dropped it, there was nothing to win, but the winning is actually very much there, you understood it to come out.
@@MikkoVille For whom there is no "you"! Non-existence of self is itself an observation, and the observer is very much there. So, there is no point denying self, self is there, very much there!
@@MikkoVille "Its not the thought that says that"what is it that says your a person? "There doesnt need to be a thought to have a belief that you are a seperate person" try and find the boundary between what thought says is you and what it says is outside you?
And Jim Newman is a clone of Tony Parsons? And Tony Parsons is a clone of... everyone who uses the same concepts and words to communicate ideas is a clone, then every single human is a clone of someone else and so are you. Unless you have invented your own language. :D
@@BLCKSQR Everyone who is into non-duality does and so should you. And you bet this Andreas Muller does too, cause look how silent he became when I mentioned Nisargadattas name. Lol...
Glad to see more of Andreas!
@25:07 "Let's check via awareness, what's actually going on" LOL! .. and what "could check" is actually illusory.. there's no way of knowing. I love that Andreas addresses this here because the "checking in" is often used as a practice by some non duality "teachers" which I find to be such a contradiction. Thanks Andreas!
Spot on, Heidi.
Iss vom Baum der Erkenntnis sagt alles !!❤
There is no personal enlightenment or personal peace.
🧘🧘♀️
YES! YES! YES!
Is like in a night dream, when is look like there are people there but are not, are only in our mind.And we are characters in the mind dream ( what we call life). The mind is not a entity, is not a person and is dreaming that is billion of people.And Andreas says: is and it isn't real ...is meant , the experience exists but is not made of matter, is only a mental experience.In a dream , when you arrive there, in a dream, is already a story there , you know who is what , from where he comes, why are there , you don't really know how you arrive there but a story exists already with a theory about that.In this dream (we call life)the story is that you was born ...etc...The Self, the Consciousness in movement is the mind.That mind is dreaming with the permission of the Consciousness but is not "forever". In some moment, parts of the mind wake up . Than, for one of this characters in the dream the story says that he is awakened and after his "physical" death a small part from the dreaming mind will stop to dream. When all the mind will wake up, (all of us )the manifestation will go on but nobody will say or feel "I am " and the mind will see the world as a whole , no separation ,no duality ,where is nobody there suffering or dying.The Consciousness will be the only one manifesting and the mind will know that never was separate and that the Consciousness is her source. Will be a dream but not a nightmare like now. Will be dreamed the Paradise. Now, the dream has levels : astral , etheric, hell, purgatory etc.After the total awakening of the mind will be only one level . Is my understanding ...maybe is not exactly like that but logical, manifestation can be only mental because Consciousness is not matter , will have only the appearance of matter . In "my" view ,the mind is a warehouse with all the thoughts possible, all possibilities and one of this thoughts is "I am ". We are "living" that possibility and the mind believe is true.This is the "error". But at the level of Consciousness is no problem because is not "real", only the mind is suffering for that thought "I am". In reality only "am" exists without the " I ". In manifestation are only verbs without nouns...example : no hand...only handing; no house...only housing...etc.The message is not bad for me. I meant without the I ,we are Consciousness , meant you lose the idea of person, individuality and gane all...mental peace, freedom , joy ...you are the Consciousness, you never were the body or the mind. All teachings are for the mind who think is the body , the teachings are not for the ego, the person, because the mind is dreaming , not the person. Sorry for my English ...is not my native language.
Viorica Hafsi i couldn't write that and i am English (apparently)
If a all wake human will stop exist after we die because we will not reborn again
hihi I so understand his "giggle burps". I realized something similar at certain moments, and all you can do is laugh yourself silly really ... many thanks for uploading/sharing this.
What the fuck are you talking about?
I feel it’s like a train that will never arrive
That sure is empty.
That sounds kind of sad, to me anyway. Maybe Andreas might say, there is no train and there is no arriving anywhere anyway, so why the sad tone?
@@betel1345 nah, it wasn’t sad. That was just my mind try by to figure something out . 😆 I am laughing at myself now
So, we experience whatever the DREAMER/SLEEPER creates in the Dream state. When the Dreamer awakens, we are liberated by the Waker. And the Waking State realises it was just a Dream. Unless the Waker is actually still Dreaming. One who NEVER Wakes.
That's right, you have to keep working 💪 on it, that's why it's called "the razors edge"... so get busy... meditate 🧘♂️ 🧘♀️ meditate meditate meditate lol 😆
I believe it would be much different if the sense of I AM dropped from the collective since that experience of separation is the root of fear, anxiety, resentment, hate etc. Can't see how the need for War would even manifest itself in the absence of the illusion of separation.
I was wondering if there is a transmition, with these kinds of teachers or just just an understanding that will make you drop or let go. They don't call this a santsang that just been there open even without understanding is important
if there was such thing as 'someone else' making 'you' drop yourself, then that would just be an event in a story, further reinforcing the self and the story. In this case, the story of enligtenment or the end of self.
I would like to return to what is prior to conciousness but I don't know what I'm going to do there.
is that a lyric in a song
Prior to consciousness is the Absolute...Consciousness is the way that Absolute can BE something.Absolute contain "TO BE and NOT TO BE "contain existence and nonexistence.We are THAT .That is our beginning.From That ,Consciousness rise ;from Consciousness , the thoughts apear...infinite numbers of thoughts = The Mind who create mentally the Universe and create our bodies too and all bodies from Universe.Suffering apear when " I " apear.Is not an error is only one of the infinite thoughts posible.But because we know only our "reality " we think is the only one...Is not , are so many realities how many thoughts exists,infinite numbers...
@@vioricahafsi5808 Yes. I do think that there are billions of realities and possibilities out there.
@@anasmith5834 thats a thought story
“You” can’t.
Words,concepts never point to inherently real things.
This is the most punk thing ever. All those things you are thinking a you care about are all just a sort of dream.
Awareness of it is freedom from it!
(Awareness of the need to seek)
You are “THAT”....
I am “THAT”.....
“THATS”.......all there is !!!!!
So, in this "workshops" they teach no method nor technique to help you get "here, now, timeless present, etc". You pay (obviously), listen to paused outloud thoughts and stare at the wall? Is that it? or am i missing something?
No, you're not (obviously) missing anything.
Probably wouldn’t be staring at the wall so much, but may find yourself in intense thought much of the time. Didn’t know it was a workshop. But rather I thought it was a speaking. No teaching here for sure. Teaching needs a story.
isn't '"there is no-one" also a story?
So how does this affect living our daily lives? Since it is all an illusion should we let desires, creations, education, learning, building, becoming a better musician, realizing a standard of one's own possibility, just let it all go and sit in the woods and at grass???? Is it all pointless??? Don't we create what is important for us???
Who are you talking to here by yourself. You should maybe email Andreas.
Keep on listening.
The point is that you dont exist, your whole being is an Illusion. This illusion creates more illusions and Storys, about everything. Its not real. WE all live in a Dream, and WE never stop seeking for the answers, because WE are made Up. And because WE are making ourselves Up, WE cannot recognize this simple truth.
@spinozasdreams yeah i believe that WE dont think that a tree, plants, mountains etc. Are Something. Our brain gives impulses, this impulses create the Illusion, that WE are Something WE gotta do Something, live has to have a meaning etc. But in reality you have No saying in this, No free will the bodily impulses from your brain and the Environment make you do stuff, everything Else is an Illusion. Thats my opinion or how i understand this things, but i am No expert Just interested in this Kind of stuff.
For you, I am in your imagination
For me, you are in my imagination
So do we have control over "what is functioning????"
Keep on listening.
But something happened since instead on sitting with audience, you are sitting as a speaker to the other side
Apparently
Welcome to the end of the story.
Why to believe to the idea that “there is only this” and nothing other exists? Who can proof this? Why that there cannot be other things that we don’t percieve?
The answer is that there's no need to believe it.
@@MikkoVille I don’t see or feel that there is just this, nor there is nothing, nor everything is one. I am in dualistic world view or sensation. Therefore, for me what Andreas (or many others speaking as him) is saying is a theory and I have to believe him or not. What he is speaking is not obvious as the things I see with my eyes.
@@shlomobachar4123 Okay. I've had glimpses into this what he's describing, so I don't have to believe it or not, but that's all the mind can really do.
The problem if any, is believing this and making another history out of this talks.
To know the there is no person there must be something there to report that. Yes the idea of me is an illusion but there is something (whatever you want to call it) that realizes that.
how big was the room?
Not that big. Maybe something like 40-50 square meters and less than 30 people.
@@MikkoVille I really enjoyed this, great set up
@@AcousticF24 The next meeting in Helsinki in the same venue is in October. Welcome. ;)
There is nothing to be realised, lol this is itself a realisation! So, keep on denying it, but realisation have creeped from the back, basically is a surprise. The ongoing in the circle with the hope of getting enlightenment is actually the illusion, being out of this game, this itself is an enlightenment. You win the game by being out. So, you may say, you dropped it, there was nothing to win, but the winning is actually very much there, you understood it to come out.
If there's no "you", how can you be "out"?
@@MikkoVille For whom there is no "you"! Non-existence of self is itself an observation, and the observer is very much there. So, there is no point denying self, self is there, very much there!
@@MikkoVille In fact there is only "self", nothing else!
@@sharadtiwari1465 That's just another belief or a concept.
@@MikkoVille Tell me, what is in your hands?
41:29
Why then not just drink beer? Better use of 90 euros!!
Well why not? No-one's stopping you. It's not like there's free will to choose anyway. :)
We usually go for beers afterwards.
But I dont drink beer!!
Never too late to start :D
Why is it always funny and like a joke - that nothing is real?????
hehe
I guess it's odd to listen to someone very calmly saying that there is no-one and nothing happens except for what is itself, whatever that might be
It’s not “fake” either, though…it’s just not definable
Because it is 😝
Why, is illusion
Thought says i am a person but there is no evidence for that
It's not the thought that says that. There doesn't need to be a thought to have a belief that you are a separate person.
@@MikkoVille "Its not the thought that says that"what is it that says your a person?
"There doesnt need to be a thought to have a belief that you are a seperate person"
try and find the boundary between what thought says is you and what it says is outside you?
@@robertjsmith, why do you think there is something called thought separate from other brain function?
@@MikkoVille i don't,
did you find the boundary?
@@robertjsmith, I don't understand what you mean by boundary. Can you explain a bit more.
Novice .... Not helling seekers at all and Shen people go through he hides behind " IT cant be explained"
Stick at neti-neti
Helling? Shen? I don't understand what you're saying.
Also, how do you "stick at neti-neti"? Sticking or not-sticking is OBVIOUSLY just what happens.
Jim Newman clone
And Jim Newman is a clone of Tony Parsons? And Tony Parsons is a clone of... everyone who uses the same concepts and words to communicate ideas is a clone, then every single human is a clone of someone else and so are you. Unless you have invented your own language. :D
@@MikkoVille it was a compliment 😀
@@simoncanil3480 No one is a clone of anyone.
What a load of bullshit! Talking nonsense in circles is supposed to be wisdom?
Lol...
Never heard anyone claim it to be "wisdom". Maybe you made that up.
@@MikkoVille Nisargadatta himself claims this knowledge to be wisdom. Maybe you are just stupid.
@@MikkoVille Nisargadatta called this type of talk about the Self and Self-realization wisdom. Or do you give him the finger also?
@@CT2507 who gives a shit what nisargadatta said?
@@BLCKSQR Everyone who is into non-duality does and so should you. And you bet this Andreas Muller does too, cause look how silent he became when I mentioned Nisargadattas name. Lol...