Sad you haven't spoken about the awesome total conversions for doom. Unreal RPG 99, ashes afterglow, painkiller mutilator, sellaco.. There are sooooo many amazing ones even better as the ones you showed. But I get it . Video would be hours long.
It’s 10000AD, the Earth is a wasteland and humanity exists in small pockets around natural springs. Ubahk looks up from his water harvester at his friend. “Okay, I got DOOM running on this thing.” Bukha responds “oh cool, I heard the River community made a new mod for it.”
When humans transcend into beings of pure light among the galaxies. Our ultimate final defiance of the cosmos will be trying to run Doom on the universe in order to run the absolute multiversal LAN party.
It wasn't until I saw that someone is remaking Vampire: The Masquerade - Requiem in its entirety in Skyrim that I realized the extent to which it can be modded. So insane.
One part of me wants to play it, another part of me realizes I already struggle and die constantly with vanilla terraria and modding it is just asking for that to get worse
@@Articfoxgamez play on easier difficulty, but honestly if you atleast upgrade your character with the armor and accessories, the game is still doable, just take a bit more time but keep persisting
Regarding Terraria, you forgot to mention the community's insane level of creativity when it comes to lore building and MUSIC!!!! Music in modded Terraria scene is INSANE, these guys are literally composers at this point. And goddamn, Calamity Soundtrack? It's its own level now! It's fanmade but it doesn't sound like one, it's that good. Hell, the bells in the game if you hear it somewhere else, is referred to as Calamity Bells. That's how much of an impact that soundtrack has
RIP DM Dokuro, you will be missed dearly :( (He’s not dead, he just left the Calamity Mod community after being harassed and cyber bullied by the more hardcore Calamity fans in a vain attempt to force him to write his musical masterpieces faster than he reasonably could)
The old school Minecraft mods actually helped inspire an entire new genre, Factorio lists build craft as an inspiration and having played both you get a very similar problem solving loop. This then branched out to games like satisfactory and DSP!
Not having Quake/Source in this list is fucking nuts Edit: Now that I think about it, Roblox is another inexcusable omission from the video. Edit 2: A lot of people feel that calling Roblox a moddable game is a strange thing to do. I honestly don’t know. Some mods are so comprehensive, that they become their own games. Calling Roblox an engine doesn’t really work for me based on the amount of reused assets. There is a lot of low level engine things are are not able to be modified in Roblox. To me, that makes user content closer to mods. They are a self described “gaming platform” so I guess they are somewhere in between. I’m super down to discuss. Let me know what you think.
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 source can achieve feats of narrative and level design equivalent to the feats of automation and infrastructure that minecraft can! don't rain on people's parades, we can enjoy both
I recently played Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers for the first time and honestly I disliked it for several reasons. Crazy to know that it's based on DOOM though.
modern minecraft feels like one of my friends modpacks from 2013 with all kinds of random disconnected stuff no one will do while also not fixing any of the core issues
I second hideous destructor, It's basically my introduction to tactical FPS games and made me actually accept those mechanics in other games. Though I still don't like regular tactical shooters, not enough improve.
hideous is more of a movement shooter than a tactical shooter. You're not often let alone always rewarded for picking your shots carefully or sniping. AI is programmed to get more dangerous and accurate the longer you spend in their sightlines. High level play is dashing around a room with your fist that gives you more movement options. While swapping between weapons and schooling on zombies.@@necrosteel5013 I've never been a fan of calling hideous a tac shooter it's definitely an immersive sim. But that's a hard distinction to make for many I am aware.
I think it can't be understated how influential the Half Life modding scene has been, for both the first and second game. Not only has the modding community remained strong for the past 25 years, but some of these mods have become so popular as to eventually become fully fledged titles. Counter Strike, which currently is the most played Steam game by a mile, was once just a half life mod. Same goes for titles like Cry of Fear, Stanley's Parable and Day of Defeat were all once Half Life Mod. This modding scene was so popular that Valve ended up releasing Gmod, which was a whole sandbox game that allowed player to mess around freely with the Source Engine and Half Life 2's assets. Besides Doom, Half Life might have the most influential modding scene in history
I remember once trying to make a whole ass RPG game inside minecraft using the custom NPC's mod, i gave up due to it being too complicated for a 16 year old to do so much all alone
You could argue that datapacks are Minecraft's version of official mod support, and those have steadily been gaining awesome features. I doubt they'll ever fully replace traditional mods, but you should really look up what datapacks can already allow, it's kinda insane
indeed, data packs are a form of mod, but they are more limited in what they can alter, similar to how doom's wads were not enough to do everything people wanted them to without extra assistance. There is also a comparison to be made between data packs and server plugins, both are more limited in scope compared to what is achievable with forge or fabric mods, but are far more accessible as a result of that, particularly, in regards to the fact that with servers, you only need to install them on the server end, rather than on the client end, meaning that only 1 person needs to understand how it works, and you can join it without doing anything extra, just with the vanilla launcher
Seeing Todd so surprised by people giving the Fallout show a 9 honestly made me feel bad :( Starfield was disappointing but it honestly looked like his passion was stomped on
Starfield became trendy to hate. Cyberpunk was more hyped, released in a worse state, with less content. yet got less hate. ironic part is that they would use cyberpunk, after 3 years of intense repair, and compare it to starfield on release. which just feels unfair. especially since BGS games have always been fixed and fleshed out by DLCs
@@GoalOrientedLifting Starfield just needs to get good in the next couple of years or so. Cyberpunk on release was huge on hate, and some ppl still hate it, it will go down in history for the shitty release it had. If the Starfield devs can fix the game like Cybeprunk did, it will be judged by the other aspects that arent broken. Simple as that
In the case of Creation Club, I think there is the issue of the METHOD of compensation as opposed to the fact that modders are necessarily compensated at all. Seeing a store open up filled with microtransactions imitating well-known mods gave many players the impression that Bethesda hasn't learned anything since the horse armor fiasco. If they were initially bundled together in a package like they did with Anniversary Edition, I think people would have less of a visceral reaction. In addition, there were issues with how Bethesda ran it (people disagreed about what Bethesda was paying modders, heavy restrictions on things like voice acting leading to poor quest quality, etc.) And my personal gripe with the system is that I was promised all future DLC in exchange for buying a season pass, but now apparently THIS officially licensed and released downloadable content doesn't count and you have to purchase the anniversary edition separately. Bethesda shouldn't get away with breaking their promises simply because they're being sort of nice by contracting modders for their DLC.
I personally think at it's core the main issue people had was just how expensive it was an to an extent still is if you ignore AE dlc. Even saints and seducers which adds four whole new armor and weapon sets, along with a whole dungeon with new assets along side some new unique artifacts it's 15 bucks, 5 less than the dragonborn dlc which way outshines it in a value perspective. While i entirely agree the way modders were compensated for it, being a lump sum instead of a percentagy of monthly sales and such. I do think in the end it is a pretty nice thing to do as a whole. A company endorsing modders so much so they commission them to make addons for the game. Nor would i consider the creation club content to be explicitly "dlc", more so addons as they're much smaller bits of content that usually don't quite integrate into the game like the major dlcs do. In a sense making them entirely optional and not "i need this to get the skyrim experience" though i acknowledge that's entirely up to interpretation.
Something I feel like I have to point out: Skyrim was *not* the first time Bethesda released the same tools they used to make the game so modders could use them. That started with Morrowind's Construction Set, almost a decade earlier, and similar tools were released for Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout New Vegas.
Skyrim was the first time they were as supportive as they are now. Like adding a mod manager to the console releases and even allowing you to upload mods to steam workshop. As well as trying to charge people for mods too which was ridiculous. With every small positive there’s a big negative lol
@@MateoF_ Yes, but Lufa said Skyrim was the first time Bethesda gave modders the same tools they used to make the game. They'd been doing that since Morrowind.
@@akiranara6404 yeah I saw. Probably wasn’t aware or never got into morrowind. I only just got into morrowind a couple years ago and before I started playing I thought Skyrim was superior and was the first time Bethesda had made a creation kit for mods. Especially because how big of a deal it was made when the creation kit came out. I was 11 when Skyrim came out and a lot of people were like me in thinking Skyrim was a first if it’s kind.
38:05, the new TerRogueLike mod completely reworks the game and turns it into a roguelike, SO YEAAAA MODDED HEAVEN AND GAMING HEAVEN BABY LETS GOO TERRARIA GOATED
Black Ops III’s modding scene is also insane with hundreds of thousands of maps and add-ons to experience, and some maps are even straight up different games entirely
Leaving out Super Mario 64 is absolutely crazy, There's so many romhacks that are entire campaigns created from scratch, and even a couple total conversion romhacks
@@iAmLufayou should definitely talk about kaze emanuar. guy is basically recreating every line of code to make a gigantic romhack that runs a stable 30fps on original hardware. he is also working on a conversion of the base game that should run a stable 60fps on original hardware. hes insanely talented
I feel a good example of this, would probably be the 2d pokemon games, especially firered. romhacks like pokemon crown, that entirely uproot the original games mechanics, or many others that create entire new reigions, stories, and seperate experiences, are kinda mindboggling to see. People have been messing with that games code so long that there are many hacks that even surpass what gamefreak originally designed.
No mention of the modding scene of Half Life/Valve games in general, even ignoring how many mods for Valve games became fully fledges games on their own through Valve's support or that Valve allowed the fan made remake of one of their games to be sold on the store front, even ignoring that support the community thrives through some of the best fan content, equalling and even exceeding in some cases the quality laid out by Valve
26:00 Another counter-point to the Creation Club Store would be that there is no other way to implement this if not for updating the game executable along other files, which caused the game to enlarge unnecessarily and break mods that are dependent either or both of the game version or of the version of the Skyrim Script Extender Special Edition (which is indirectly the same thing).
Fallout is getting conversion mods to make essentially sequel games within the game. You can play fallout 3 in new Vegas, they are porting 3 and new Vegas to 4, and making expansions like fallout Miami and fallout London. Morrowind some fans I guess remade the game in Unity to push mod support. Also not talking about skywind and skyblivion is pretty nuts(Skyrim mods being made to replay morrowind and oblivion in Skyrim engine). Also Skyrim together, a mod to play Skyrim with friends! Starfield even without access to the creation kit already has a crazy amount of mod support you can at this point turn it into a Star Wars rpg. Star Wars battlefront 2 has essentially a fan made mod that turned it into battlefront 3. Lastly elden ring, the amount of content people have added to the games, seamless coop which allows you to play the entire game seamlessly with a friend is insane. Put together with the combat overhauls and magic spells and weapons addons and it’s also in modded heaven. Not by meeting the standards but by the same reasoning as terarria
Idk, Minecraft is quite easy to mod and if you are scared of messing something up you can use any of the many mod launchers. They are basically just a download a modpack and enjoy.
One thing that you didnt mention about Sonic robo blast 2 is that it has reached modding heaven itself. yes, this doom mod has an insanely large modding community. with mods ranging from custom characters, to custom stages, to recreactions of other sonic games, to a PERSONA GAME, to A WHOLE KART RACER GAME, which funnily enough, also has a huge modding community.
9:35 BIG misconception, the marketplace isnt the only place nor even the most popular place to get bedrock mods (addons) people usually download them _for free_ online
thats only true for pc and modded consoles. i think the most bedrock players are on the various consoles that feature bedrock. and even less of those players have their consoles modded so they can download foreign files
I am legitimately surprised by the lack of Source being mentioned here. We first saw it with Half Life and GoldSrc, then it exploded from there. While many games are just directly made through the engine, there are a notable few which are just total conversion mods for existing Valve titles, such as Entropy Zero (1&2), Portal Reloaded, and SO MUCH MORE.
My current favorite modding communities are the Rivals of Aether workshop community, and Morrowind's Tamriel Rebuilt team. Also shoutouts to Project M!
Quake, another id game, also laid the foundation for whole engines once modified. These engines then went on to support their whole own gaming titans and possible modding heavens going forward. It’s insane really
My favorite Minecraft modpack that I would never play is GregTech: New Horizons. It is insanely deep, and that is putting it lightly. I don't have the words to describe how deep it is. It takes on average 8,000-10,000 hours to complete, and not many people have done it. It turns Minecraft into an automation and logistics game like Factorio or Satisfactory. For example, creating a vanilla piston requires nine different steps, excluding ore processing, which is a whole different beast.
@@josephkeen7224 that is very true. It just feels way worse with Bethesda games. Because it's often unannounced almost random. And you need third party tools to downgrade the game again. Minecraft doesn't force an automatic update down your throat. I have had Skyrim update, meanwhile i was playing the game. Crashing the game. And as a final rub of salt in the wound. It's usually just to add more paid mods to the game.
@@nord76231 Most people that mod Skyrim already know to disable automatic updates on Steam... when Steam actually works as intended. And ouch I feel your pain on that game crash.
The thing about Creative Club in Skyrim is that all mods there (or at least most from my understanding) are officially canon in the TES world because they mostly add things from previous games of the series.
Speaking of RLCraft, Shivaxi is a great guy, he also helped develop the RLCoop Realistic Survival mod for Unreal Gold, and helped the Duke Nukem Forever 2001 leak modding team with Unreal Engine 1. Overall awesome dude and has DJ streams where everyone jams out to sweet tunes.
I'm so shocked you didn't bring up dragon block c when talking about modding for minecraft, it literally is one of the coolest mods I've seen for minecraft
Carmack was what the industry calls technical artist developing the tools and engine. Carmack was person that convinced the rest of the team about modding
By only criticism of the creation club is more "fear of a possible possibility". As we went from horse armor to day 1 dlc, what I fear is that Bethesda may try in the future to discourage or obstacle the modding side that is free.
I think what really helps in a game's modability is it's art style. If you want to add a new weapon to a game like Fallout 4 you need to know about modeling, UV unwrapping, texturing, and if it's animated also rigging, animation, and possibly VFX. Most programmers do not have the skills of a game artist, making it much harder to make their vision come to life cohesively with the rest of the game. However, pixel art makes this really easy, even a programmer without any prior art experience can put together something not half bad, and it instantly fits within the game thanks to the art style. This is why games with simple pixel art styles like Doom, Minecraft, and Terraria thrive when it comes to modding
We just gonna act like Half Life doesn’t exist? Like it’s one of the first games brought up when talking about changing the game experience through mods and whole games being made because of mods
37:45 The Story of Red Cloud is a mod that turns terraria into a souls-like with a massive adventure map your stander sould like mechanics like estus flasks, bonfires and dodge rolling ofc the mods reworks many of the vanilla bosses and even adds some of its own as well as new weapons, armors and accessories
If I could suggest a series to look at I’d recommend the Soulsborne games, especially the more recent ones like Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, and Sekiro. There are tons of incredible mods that’ve been made from them, especially total conversion mods that either make the games much harder or turn them into brand new games. The Convergence mods are some of the best examples for this series since they add tons of new weapons, magic spells, Change up level/location layouts, and either add new mechanics to boss fights that are in the vanilla games or just add brand new fights that are sometimes so good it feels like FromSoft themselves could’ve designed them. Archthrones is another great example recently with DS3 that adds brand new levels and game mechanics to DS3 that almost make it feel like Dark Souls 4
You should try Better Than Wolves, a REALLY old, near-complete rework of minecraft made in response to wolves being added. It makes dark kill you, hunger is scary, death is debilitating but potentially rewarding, getting close to death makes you MORE likely to die, and (in the newest version of it) creepers actually explode from their center so you can't block them easily anymore. It also completely changes spawning requirements, dirt falls, dirt sand and gravel are now slabbable, and you don't even get dirt as a full block, you get pieces of dirt. You want A LOT of dirt, by the way. Nether Portals are also REALLY dangerous, not because of what is in the nether, but because of what happens to mobs around them. Chickens explode, sheep float, wolves get really mad, and squids? Squids begin crying. And Squids/Wolves have new behavior now too! Squids are neutral in the way spiders are, and they attempt to drag you into the water, which is really hard to get out of! And if they get close to you, you'll wear them and be unable to see while they eat you. They can also hop onto zombies, but zombies won't die from them. Wolves are now a huge issue, but also potentially good. Wolves drop wolfchops, which can be cooked and eaten, but doing so near a wolf will aggro them which is very dangerous. If a wolf eats rotten flesh it will undergo a transformation after ~5 minutes into The Beast with more health higher attack and all around meanness. It also adds a lot of machinery for the mid to late game, as it's actually a TECH mod first and foremost! It adds 2 forms of "power" gen, wind and waterwheels, which power axles like create does, but better. No worries about limits, as long as you can get an axle to it it's powered. The dragon fight isn't the end either, oh no, it's just the only way home with the goodies in the end! Endstone is used to make the new most powerful things after all, Soulforged tools and armor! Made in a 4*4 crafting grid, no less. But that's not all, remember how I said death was potentially a boon? BTW has a progression system, where every tier makes the radius you can spawn in larger every time! It starts off small, but eventually you can spawn thousands of blocks away! In fact, you may want to! Structures are now very good, but only as you get farther from spawn! within 2000 blocks, structures are 'abandoned', meaning villages will be empty, have no crops, and zero loot. Not even furnaces or chests! Within 3000 blocks, villages become deserted, leaving behind SOME crops and potentially, one VERY hungry villager who may leave you stranded far from home once again if it sees you. After 3000 blocks villages are full and have more hungry villagers and crops, temples have their full loot instead of the 'junk' items, and the elusive Jungle Temple houses a very useful automation tool, if you dare to brave the dangers of the jungle... The jungle now houses a very dangerous enemy: Jungle Spiders. These nasty little critters will poison you AND give you hunger! Walking on leaves also makes you VERY slow, leaving you open to their attacks. Ah, I suppose I should talk about spawn requirements and WALKING SPEED shouldn't I? Yes, that's right, walking speed. For you see, different materials now make you walk slower, like grass/dirt and gravel making you walk slightly slower, sand making you quite slow, and leaves making you walk at a snails pace. Now about spawn requirements! 1.13 lighting rules are in affect here, but blocks also change what can spawn! Nothing bad can spawn on wood, and nothing good can spawn. No, that isn't a typo. Nothing good can spawn. No passive mob spawns except upon loading a new chunk! Same goes for villagers and their hungry counterparts. Now for the special things! Jungle Spiders ONLY spawn on jungle leaves. That is their only requirement. If there are jungle leaves, they can spawn on them. Mobs spawned from spawners don't give drops unless they have lived for at least one day. Ah, a little fun fact that doesn't fit anywhere else: Endermen are chickens and will run if you hit them. Now for the nether and its FUN little quirks... Zombie pigmen WILL swarm you. If one kills you, consider you items forfeit unless you have either a bow or soulforged steel at home. The one who killed you will wear your armor and weapon, and if it notices you, it WILL aggro ALL pigmen nearby. Be prepared to die multiple times. Also, they don't care WHO or WHAT hit them, pigmen will always aggro on the player, and will remember that for a while. The nether hosts the best source of automated wood: Bloodwood trees. These funky little things will continuously regrow, providing automatic wood for you! You will need it. Soulsand provides access to soul urns, a very useful item used in many recipes, and used to cure hungry villagers. Speaking of villagers, lets talk about their trades. Their trades are painful and required. You cannot make eyes of ender. You have to trade for them from a Librarian. Librarians, are rare. Librarians only appear in villages beyond the 3000 limit. Same story with the OTHER pain in my ---, Priests. Priests are needed for the final level up trade before eyes of ender are unlocked for trade by the Librarian, an block which places blocks. Do you know what priests need? That very useful automation tool in the jungle temple. And that's just the level up requirements. Villagers tend to love selling you things for insane amounts of emeralds and giving you 1 or 2 emeralds for bucketloads of difficult to obtain items, including crops. Yes, crops. Carrots and Potatoes take 5 days to grow and only give you 2 back RARELY. This is IF they survive that long, as unless they are planted in a planter they will grow weeds that need to be cleared or they die. Wheat is worse, taking 7 days and maybe giving you a single wheat, but gives you ample seeds in return. That's all I'm going to list however, as I believe TH-cam will cut me off if I go any longer. This is your local adhd transfem signing off.
Paradox games have so much mods it's insane, a quick look in the steam workshop shows so many content, total conversions and so many more. You could easily play 300+ hours on vanilla HOIV, EU4, CK2/CK3 and 300+ per TCM, and there are a lot of them. Mount & Blade too, never played Bannerlord but Warband had a lot of vanilla+ and total conversion mods too.
The really large dialog switch statement is likely actually a constant time operation and fast through the use of a jump table once the game gets compiled down to assembly. Think of it as an array of jump instructions to the cases that's indexed by the switch expression.
For Minecraft Bedrock, there are a few DLL mods for the server software. Most notable are BDSX (allows extending with scripts) and Levi Lamina (is similar, but has more language support. Formerly known as Liteloader BDS) There are some instances of deeply modifying the game's code like Trapdoor mod (Allows speeding up the game. This feature might come to vanilla) and BetterRenderDragon (changes some rendering and can allow RTX. It's one of very few client mods) Client mods are really hard to achieve and only work on Windows. Bedrock hasn't achieved modding heaven and the mods are not popular, but they are a great tool for server admins. I enjoyed making minigames using BDSX and wanted to mention it, but cannot consider it an actual mod loader, because it's kinda limited. Modding for Java has become much easier with the rise of the Forge mod loader and everything you mentioned wouldn't be possible without it. You should've mentioned Forge, because most mods run on it.
i haven't seen what starbound mods add, but looking at the points he made in the video, makes sense since Starbound is terraria but worse, so there's more room for mods to make it good.
@@KuroNK I mean kind of but the generation of Starbound is extremely malleable for modding. Unlike Terraria with its limited map size, Starbound has about a trillion planets. The advantage there is more biomes and such. I know Terraria has some mods with extra 'sub worlds' but they are more clumsy than Starbounds as it has an integrated teleporter for quests and all that Basically Starbound has more potential Also it has wiring so factories exist
@@fumofumo7815 Wow, might have to pickup starbound again, honestly, i bought it some time ago and after playing for 20~ hours and getting bored, i just dropped the game and forgot about it ever since.
You pretty much mirrored my personal opinion of the Creation Club. It can certainly be implemented better, but I think it's beyond commendable that Bethesda created a system that allowed modders to not only be paid for their work, but also have that same work playable on platforms other than PC, since the content selection is accessible on consoles that support CC. Despite my issues with Bethesda, they have had a pretty good track record with supporting the modding scene (apart from Starfield afaik), and I hope they continue to do that.
Sonic Generations can be considered a game that has achieved modding heaven. Tons of character hacks (a few even give them new abilities), tons of levels and more. There are only a few hacks that try to make it a completely new game, like project unleash and generations adventure, but i think it can count for modding heaven.
7:14 something to mention is that Robo Blast 2 has its own insane modding scene with tons of new characters, mechanics, stages, etc. And if that wasn't enough, a total conversion mod was made of SRB2 to turn it into Sonic Robo Blast 2 KART (or just Sonic Robo Kart) which also has its OWN insanely huge modding scene. Still not enough? SRB2K's 2.0 update was so huge that it basically became its own sequel called Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers which just released recently. So to trace, a sequel to a total conversion mod OF a total conversion mod of Doom. If that doesn't speak to how moddable Doom is, I don't know what will.
I feel like Madness project Nexus is soon to reach modding heaven, since the game has a lot of love, and people want to mod it, and soon we're getting workshop support, and the devs are producing guides on how to mod
@@iAmLufa Yeah it's based off the madness combat web series, and I believe the creator calls the series canon, you'll have to fact check me on that tho. Currently (pre workshop) there are like, two mods that are worth your time, and one is like super duper niche, and the other turns it into a sandbox. But I think workshop will fix this and make the game achieve modding heaven.
@@iAmLufa Expect me in like, a month if I remember, you should get the game though, it's like 25 dollars and maybe if the game gets enough players we will get networking.
How can you not mention half-life 1 or 2 they literally became game engines source and gold source and some of the biggest games in the world are built on top of them garrys mod, portal, counter strike, and team fortress 2. They also both got tons of great traditional mods like entropy zero 2 and echoes.
HOW DID YOU NOT INCLUDE HALF-LIFE?!! It spawned entire games, some of wich ended up being iconic franchises, like left 4 dead and most notably fricking counter strike!
Thorium is my favorite terraria mod. It blends perfectly with vanilla and adds a bit of challenge and literally double to content including some good bosses.
Kind of wild you didn't talk about Source engine games, in particular, Garry's mod. That game is an extremely moddable mod of an extremely moddable game engine. You can't go more meta than that
For the Skyrim payed mods platform, most modders, that make free mods for any game, not just Skyrim, usually have some form of donation page available. You can still support them in any amount you want, even though their work is free. Besides, once something gets mortised, the quality starts to plummet, as it is driven by money, rather than passion and love.
Stardew Valley's most popular mod is basically Stardew Valley 2, it is called Stardew Valley expanded and it changes a lot about the base game, it came out before some major updates too because everyone believed the game was done but then ConcernedApe pulled a Terraria and still updates it sometimes just for giggles
Gotta mention maps from Minecraft too when it comes to commands and stuff. I remember someone created Ocarina of Time using commands and server mods back in the day and it went crazy on TH-cam bc it had shields and locked doors etc.
Idk if it counts, but CoD Black Ops 3 have a curious modding thing, because maybe isn't that big in other sections, but in Zombies Mode its another thing, you can add weapons, maps, perks and another things, even have a solid community (in my opinion)
17:07 honestly RLcraft is kind of a bad example. Its litteraly a bunch of the most youtube clickbait mods mashed together to make prime youtube reaction material. Gameplay is kinda mid if you are actually trying to do a long playthrough. Id say something like a terrafirma modpack would be a better example. It changes almost every aspect of the entire game while keeping it fair. Also when you were listing off what the thorium mod adds you listed off the 3 events that are already in the game lol. Goblin armies, solar eclipses, and pirate invasions have been in the game for ages.
I wish you'd talked about Datapacks. In some recent years, Mojang has slowly been adding their own form of mod support that is becoming just as versatile as the various modding engines like Forge and Fabric
Speaking of game overhauling mods for Minecraft that weren't mentioned, I really encourage you to check out TerraFirmaCraft, aka TFC. It basically changes the entire game to be _much_ more challenging to survive, but doing that by making the world and the game mechanics much more closely resemble the real world stone age. And, of course, many modpacks have built on top of TFC to allow progression past the stone age and even lead into other mods like the one that lets you get to other planets! Flippin' love TFC and the development team behind it Edit: Ironically, the TFC mod _itself_ has its own mod ecosystem around it. Eg I've been helping with Blaze Map, a mapping mod that serves as the basis to Cartography, a mapping mod that specifically enables TFC functionality like ore tracking. And then you have mods that expand TFC like Firmalife which adds a lot more depth to the food growing/making/preserving aspect of the game, or something as simple as the TFC Flasks mod which just provides more ways to carry around water, or Firmalife which adds sailing ships. And these are all TFC-specific mods! I just love the whole mod-within-a-mod ecosystem that's sprung up around TFC
I really have to mention Space Engineers here because it's on the level of minecraft. You can mod the game into different genres and you have access to nearly all the dev tools. Forge mode from Halo also needs a mention as, I will be honest, Forge is better than the actual game at this point.
Half life should have been on here. I'd say nearly all Valve games (team fortress 2 / day of defeat / counter strike / left 4 dead / etc.) (and titanfall / apex legends / stanley parable / and gmod for christ's sake) started as either Half life mods, or mods of those mods. Plus the mods that are still mods, which I can't even name all of. In fact, Valve has always been like that, and has a trend of hiring the best developers to actually work at the company.
Shocked you didn’t bring up Kerbal Space Program. In my 9 years of playing i’ve genuinely never met someone play the vanilla (or as we call it, stock) game. Additionally it has some absolutely insane mods, for example RSS/RO which replaces the games solar system and tech tree with real life planets and tech respectively, or principa which literally rewrites the entire physics engine for one that calculates real time multi-body orbital physics. There are far more of these incredibly impressive mods many of which are based in deep knowledge of real science, math, engineering and physics. The KSP community is insane, im convinced they could actually build a real spaceship if they wanted.
The TerRogueLike mod for Terraria officially qualifies the game for mod heaven, as it successfully converts the game in to a roguelike, its a fun roguelike too!
Just to add on the minecraft bit, there are mods like adventurecraft where you can play entire games in minecraft, people have made entire zelda games in it
I was literally thinking about this while in the shower yesterday. Like if I could make a game that allows players to make their own content to the game forever and making a vote on what mods to make into the actual game for everyone to play for free. I mean the game would ofc cost money to play but dlcs would be free
I think assetto corsa has got to be a game that has acchived "modding heaven". The devs actively encourage modding, as a racing game its very open ended so almost anything to be done with cars feels at home in AC, and the community is massive and passionate.
I think Geometry dash should have gotten at least an honorable mention with its editor. Sure it’s editor is built into the game, but the community has been able to turn it into something it 100% should NOT have been able to do. Back in 2.1, Serponge released “Mastergame”, a fully fledged Top down Zelda-esque RPG with its own mechanics, map, and somehow, a password save system. Later down the line, Yoreid released Floating Maze and Floating Outskirts, which were platformer levels before they were supported natively. Then Dienid’s released Abel, which simulated camera effects before that was supported, and then there was “What” by Spu7nix which is just a pure anomaly that I can’t even begin to comprehend. Once 2.2 came out the floodgates completely opened with Platformer mode adding enough controls to make some legitimate gaming experiences. After seeing multiple metroidvanias pop up and Fnaf fully recreated in the game within a month of the update, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got GTA 5 in Geometry dash before we see GTA 6.
Kerbal Space Program deserves coverage, the mods in that game range from whole interstellar exploration / colonization experiences to extreme realism and difficulty in the real-life solar system. Noting the relative failure of the sequel to capture a large modding scene due to its lack of support and community passion would also be an interesting point of the video.
I believe another up and coming sizable modding community is the Barotrauma community, you should see into it, its slowly and steadily growing to make amazing and absurd mods for the game alike.
great video! i think warcraft 3 deserves to be mentioned in discussions like this. the game released with a really powerful official map editor and quickly developed a really passionate modding community. i don't know if it's reached the same level of "modding heaven" that games mentioned here have, but there's still been some really impressive things made in it, such as the original Defence of the Ancients map, which was eventually made into a fully independent game and literally helped to invent an entire new genre of video games.
1:30 Heh, that line makes me think about the fact that Minecraft doesn't _really_ have official mod support from a technical standpoint (although recent years that's improved a lot!) but yet there's so many community-built modloaders out there that's it's actually kind of a problem because most aren't intercompatible 😅
I wonder if Vintage Story could get to modding heaven point. The scene isn't that big yet, but per their own words, it was built from the ground up for modding and the devs use their own mod API to add content, with open source modding tools and half the game under a readable source license. I'd love to see VS get the same kind of fanbase as minecraft just to see what kinds of things people could come up with.
there's certain popular games that have recently been modded to hell (one of which has changed parts of the entire site of gamebanana) and i'd consider have been turned into engines (psych engine and opentower)
There is another game that I think may also be Modding Heaven, Kenshi. It has mods that completely change the game from Post-Post Apocalypses to Star Wars.
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Sad you haven't spoken about the awesome total conversions for doom.
Unreal RPG 99, ashes afterglow, painkiller mutilator, sellaco..
There are sooooo many amazing ones even better as the ones you showed.
But I get it . Video would be hours long.
Mojang: While you could do this just don't get TOO crazy.
Bethesda: Ok! Here's the keys to the studio, go nuts.
the cost is your mental health
Whould you count gmod? Or is that to on the nose as its whole point is moding
@@Markm8 I bet that’s more of a game engine
It’s 10000AD, the Earth is a wasteland and humanity exists in small pockets around natural springs.
Ubahk looks up from his water harvester at his friend. “Okay, I got DOOM running on this thing.”
Bukha responds “oh cool, I heard the River community made a new mod for it.”
are all names anagrams in the future? That would be sick
When humans transcend into beings of pure light among the galaxies. Our ultimate final defiance of the cosmos will be trying to run Doom on the universe in order to run the absolute multiversal LAN party.
It wasn't until I saw that someone is remaking Vampire: The Masquerade - Requiem in its entirety in Skyrim that I realized the extent to which it can be modded. So insane.
Then Skywind and Skyblivion.
Can't wait to play those.
@@simplemaker173 Beyond Skyrim as well.
Steam even has a Modpack with Enderal in it's Shop.
@@MR-hk2qu It's a kind of DLC, I guess.
What happened to the project that was going to make the entirety of Cyrodil? Did it die?
Thats a mod!?!? I LOVE that game. Ok. Welp. Time to boot up Skyrim again. 😮😆
Terraria moding is crazy, calamity dev(s) are just out there somehow, making a whole nother game and just. keep. going.
Facts
Calamity mod is just a whole beast of its own. It basically doubles the games content
One part of me wants to play it, another part of me realizes I already struggle and die constantly with vanilla terraria and modding it is just asking for that to get worse
@@Articfoxgamez you could play on an easier difficulty
@@Articfoxgamez play on easier difficulty, but honestly if you atleast upgrade your character with the armor and accessories, the game is still doable, just take a bit more time but keep persisting
the throium mod does not add the pirate invasion, goblin army or the solar eclipse events those are the base game events
THEY ARE???
@@manformerlypigbukkit yes they are.
have you only ever played the base game?
thanks, came here to comment this
@@thisisforprivate I only got as far as beating the wall of flesh lol, my bad
@@manformerlypigbukkit there is no chance you have ever gotten past the wof in vanilla
Regarding Terraria, you forgot to mention the community's insane level of creativity when it comes to lore building and MUSIC!!!! Music in modded Terraria scene is INSANE, these guys are literally composers at this point. And goddamn, Calamity Soundtrack? It's its own level now! It's fanmade but it doesn't sound like one, it's that good. Hell, the bells in the game if you hear it somewhere else, is referred to as Calamity Bells. That's how much of an impact that soundtrack has
RIP DM Dokuro, you will be missed dearly :(
(He’s not dead, he just left the Calamity Mod community after being harassed and cyber bullied by the more hardcore Calamity fans in a vain attempt to force him to write his musical masterpieces faster than he reasonably could)
@@shleyal19 he still puts out good music, I never got into calamity but I'm a good fan of his
@@Gilburrito yeah I know he’s still doing good work out there. He’s just no longer in the Calamity Mod community
Fun fact, the Calamity bells are known as Tubular Bells in the IRL orchestral field.
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The old school Minecraft mods actually helped inspire an entire new genre, Factorio lists build craft as an inspiration and having played both you get a very similar problem solving loop. This then branched out to games like satisfactory and DSP!
Wait for real? That’s crazy
and now we've got vintage story, which is directly inspired by the terrafirmacraft mod
@@tomykong2915 arent those even the same devs?
@@michagrill9432 no, it's just heavily inspired by TFC
@@tomykong2915 play terrafirmagreg
I remember back in the early 2010s first figuring out how to mod Minecraft. My poor laptop didn’t stand a chance.
haha
My laptop was 90°C when playinh modpacks
Not having Quake/Source in this list is fucking nuts
Edit: Now that I think about it, Roblox is another inexcusable omission from the video.
Edit 2: A lot of people feel that calling Roblox a moddable game is a strange thing to do. I honestly don’t know. Some mods are so comprehensive, that they become their own games. Calling Roblox an engine doesn’t really work for me based on the amount of reused assets. There is a lot of low level engine things are are not able to be modified in Roblox. To me, that makes user content closer to mods. They are a self described “gaming platform” so I guess they are somewhere in between. I’m super down to discuss. Let me know what you think.
True though. The things I’ve seen modder do to source is crazy. Gmod hl2 portal 2 have crazy mods.
@@Billy-ir4jc when the mods have mods
no where near as moddable as minecraft.
mods are one thing, but the things one can achieve with mods matters
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 you are insane.
@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 source can achieve feats of narrative and level design equivalent to the feats of automation and infrastructure that minecraft can! don't rain on people's parades, we can enjoy both
With SRB2, They made a Kart game called SRB2K and quite recently they made SRB2K2 or Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers. IT'S STILL BASED ON DOOM.
Isn't there is Persona 3 mod for srb2 that adds *turn based battle system* in it?
@@losharikoved HOLY SHEET, YOU'RE RIGHT. SRB2P IS REAL AND IT CAN HURT YOU
They been Working on it since the literal 90s too 😭
I recently played Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers for the first time and honestly I disliked it for several reasons. Crazy to know that it's based on DOOM though.
@@jacksonpercy8044 it isn't everyone's cup of tea, There is a lot going on compared to a Mario kart.
modern minecraft feels like one of my friends modpacks from 2013 with all kinds of random disconnected stuff no one will do while also not fixing any of the core issues
It's because people hate any attempts they make to fix core issues. E.g. Experimental Villager Trade Rebalance
Hideous Destructor is one of the best immersive sims ever made, with a modding community for itself. But it's literally a doom mod.
I second hideous destructor,
It's basically my introduction to tactical FPS games and made me actually accept those mechanics in other games. Though I still don't like regular tactical shooters, not enough improve.
@@necrosteel5013 I feel ya. I'd love to see some actual innovation in the tactical FPS genre.. it's been kinda stagnant for a while
hideous is more of a movement shooter than a tactical shooter. You're not often let alone always rewarded for picking your shots carefully or sniping. AI is programmed to get more dangerous and accurate the longer you spend in their sightlines. High level play is dashing around a room with your fist that gives you more movement options. While swapping between weapons and schooling on zombies.@@necrosteel5013
I've never been a fan of calling hideous a tac shooter it's definitely an immersive sim. But that's a hard distinction to make for many I am aware.
I think it can't be understated how influential the Half Life modding scene has been, for both the first and second game. Not only has the modding community remained strong for the past 25 years, but some of these mods have become so popular as to eventually become fully fledged titles. Counter Strike, which currently is the most played Steam game by a mile, was once just a half life mod. Same goes for titles like Cry of Fear, Stanley's Parable and Day of Defeat were all once Half Life Mod. This modding scene was so popular that Valve ended up releasing Gmod, which was a whole sandbox game that allowed player to mess around freely with the Source Engine and Half Life 2's assets. Besides Doom, Half Life might have the most influential modding scene in history
Valve did not make Garry’s Mod. It was made by… well, I don’t need to tell you who
@@StuckProcessing They did not say that Valve made Gmod.
Valve didn't make GMod
0:13 if you didn't say that was Skyrim I would have thought it was another breath of the wild type game
I remember once trying to make a whole ass RPG game inside minecraft using the custom NPC's mod, i gave up due to it being too complicated for a 16 year old to do so much all alone
hey dude, that's impressive even for a sixteen year old to ATTEMPT! Kudos to you for being creative and thinking big thoughts :)
Terraria is randomly generated, but NOT infinite. Also Thorium doesn't add the events you listed, those are vanilla. Besides that good video
35:17 This just hurts me. All three of these are base-game features, one of which being in the game since its original release.
You could argue that datapacks are Minecraft's version of official mod support, and those have steadily been gaining awesome features. I doubt they'll ever fully replace traditional mods, but you should really look up what datapacks can already allow, it's kinda insane
indeed, data packs are a form of mod, but they are more limited in what they can alter, similar to how doom's wads were not enough to do everything people wanted them to without extra assistance. There is also a comparison to be made between data packs and server plugins, both are more limited in scope compared to what is achievable with forge or fabric mods, but are far more accessible as a result of that, particularly, in regards to the fact that with servers, you only need to install them on the server end, rather than on the client end, meaning that only 1 person needs to understand how it works, and you can join it without doing anything extra, just with the vanilla launcher
mmm yay long list of commands
Seeing Todd so surprised by people giving the Fallout show a 9 honestly made me feel bad :( Starfield was disappointing but it honestly looked like his passion was stomped on
WE HATE TODD HOWARD!!!! WE SHOULD BULLY HIM MORE FOR BEING IN THE CHESS CLUB!!!!🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Starfield became trendy to hate. Cyberpunk was more hyped, released in a worse state, with less content. yet got less hate. ironic part is that they would use cyberpunk, after 3 years of intense repair, and compare it to starfield on release. which just feels unfair. especially since BGS games have always been fixed and fleshed out by DLCs
^ RIP. Me and the guy above is about to get eaten by Cyberpunk's post-anime converted haters and Starfield's disappointed players.
Tod kinda deserves tough dude rarely makes good decisions today
@@GoalOrientedLifting Starfield just needs to get good in the next couple of years or so. Cyberpunk on release was huge on hate, and some ppl still hate it, it will go down in history for the shitty release it had. If the Starfield devs can fix the game like Cybeprunk did, it will be judged by the other aspects that arent broken. Simple as that
In the case of Creation Club, I think there is the issue of the METHOD of compensation as opposed to the fact that modders are necessarily compensated at all. Seeing a store open up filled with microtransactions imitating well-known mods gave many players the impression that Bethesda hasn't learned anything since the horse armor fiasco. If they were initially bundled together in a package like they did with Anniversary Edition, I think people would have less of a visceral reaction. In addition, there were issues with how Bethesda ran it (people disagreed about what Bethesda was paying modders, heavy restrictions on things like voice acting leading to poor quest quality, etc.) And my personal gripe with the system is that I was promised all future DLC in exchange for buying a season pass, but now apparently THIS officially licensed and released downloadable content doesn't count and you have to purchase the anniversary edition separately. Bethesda shouldn't get away with breaking their promises simply because they're being sort of nice by contracting modders for their DLC.
I personally think at it's core the main issue people had was just how expensive it was an to an extent still is if you ignore AE dlc.
Even saints and seducers which adds four whole new armor and weapon sets, along with a whole dungeon with new assets along side some new unique artifacts
it's 15 bucks, 5 less than the dragonborn dlc which way outshines it in a value perspective.
While i entirely agree the way modders were compensated for it, being a lump sum instead of a percentagy of monthly sales and such.
I do think in the end it is a pretty nice thing to do as a whole. A company endorsing modders so much so they commission them to make addons for the game.
Nor would i consider the creation club content to be explicitly "dlc", more so addons as they're much smaller bits of content that usually don't quite integrate into the game like the major dlcs do. In a sense making them entirely optional and not "i need this to get the skyrim experience"
though i acknowledge that's entirely up to interpretation.
i also thought that a bunch of moders got robbed and other people were uploading their mods to the creation club.
@@kalackninja you thought immensely wrong.
@@Verchiel_ Good retort only took five seconds to prove you wrong. Why respond so confidently when you literally are clueless about the situation.
@@kalackninja do you have a source on me being wrong
Something I feel like I have to point out: Skyrim was *not* the first time Bethesda released the same tools they used to make the game so modders could use them. That started with Morrowind's Construction Set, almost a decade earlier, and similar tools were released for Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Fallout New Vegas.
Skyrim was the first time they were as supportive as they are now. Like adding a mod manager to the console releases and even allowing you to upload mods to steam workshop. As well as trying to charge people for mods too which was ridiculous. With every small positive there’s a big negative lol
@@MateoF_ Yes, but Lufa said Skyrim was the first time Bethesda gave modders the same tools they used to make the game. They'd been doing that since Morrowind.
@@akiranara6404 yeah I saw. Probably wasn’t aware or never got into morrowind. I only just got into morrowind a couple years ago and before I started playing I thought Skyrim was superior and was the first time Bethesda had made a creation kit for mods. Especially because how big of a deal it was made when the creation kit came out. I was 11 when Skyrim came out and a lot of people were like me in thinking Skyrim was a first if it’s kind.
38:05, the new TerRogueLike mod completely reworks the game and turns it into a roguelike, SO YEAAAA MODDED HEAVEN AND GAMING HEAVEN BABY LETS GOO TERRARIA GOATED
Let’s gooo
Black Ops III’s modding scene is also insane with hundreds of thousands of maps and add-ons to experience, and some maps are even straight up different games entirely
waw also has some total conversion mods, like a dragon ball fighter
Leaving out Super Mario 64 is absolutely crazy, There's so many romhacks that are entire campaigns created from scratch, and even a couple total conversion romhacks
All I can say is Mario 64 will 100% be in my next video but for a different reason
@@iAmLufayou should definitely talk about kaze emanuar. guy is basically recreating every line of code to make a gigantic romhack that runs a stable 30fps on original hardware. he is also working on a conversion of the base game that should run a stable 60fps on original hardware. hes insanely talented
I feel a good example of this, would probably be the 2d pokemon games, especially firered. romhacks like pokemon crown, that entirely uproot the original games mechanics, or many others that create entire new reigions, stories, and seperate experiences, are kinda mindboggling to see. People have been messing with that games code so long that there are many hacks that even surpass what gamefreak originally designed.
No mention of the modding scene of Half Life/Valve games in general, even ignoring how many mods for Valve games became fully fledges games on their own through Valve's support or that Valve allowed the fan made remake of one of their games to be sold on the store front, even ignoring that support the community thrives through some of the best fan content, equalling and even exceeding in some cases the quality laid out by Valve
What do you mean ignoring, maybe I'm just saving Half Life for a different video?
26:00 Another counter-point to the Creation Club Store would be that there is no other way to implement this if not for updating the game executable along other files, which caused the game to enlarge unnecessarily and break mods that are dependent either or both of the game version or of the version of the Skyrim Script Extender Special Edition (which is indirectly the same thing).
They were Fans, remaking an early 2000s Vampire Game using Skyrim as an engine. It looks crazy. I forgot the name, might edit later.
Fallout is getting conversion mods to make essentially sequel games within the game. You can play fallout 3 in new Vegas, they are porting 3 and new Vegas to 4, and making expansions like fallout Miami and fallout London. Morrowind some fans I guess remade the game in Unity to push mod support. Also not talking about skywind and skyblivion is pretty nuts(Skyrim mods being made to replay morrowind and oblivion in Skyrim engine). Also Skyrim together, a mod to play Skyrim with friends! Starfield even without access to the creation kit already has a crazy amount of mod support you can at this point turn it into a Star Wars rpg. Star Wars battlefront 2 has essentially a fan made mod that turned it into battlefront 3. Lastly elden ring, the amount of content people have added to the games, seamless coop which allows you to play the entire game seamlessly with a friend is insane. Put together with the combat overhauls and magic spells and weapons addons and it’s also in modded heaven. Not by meeting the standards but by the same reasoning as terarria
The only game I’ve been brave enough to mod was Minecraft, but I do really wish there was more support 😭 the whole process felt so sketch
They did NOT care
curseforge loader is pretty good
my go to advice for new modders is just to install the curseforge lol
as sketch as it seems, I love how you just need a special launcher and then you can just play modspacks already ready for playing
Idk, Minecraft is quite easy to mod and if you are scared of messing something up you can use any of the many mod launchers. They are basically just a download a modpack and enjoy.
One thing that you didnt mention about Sonic robo blast 2 is that it has reached modding heaven itself. yes, this doom mod has an insanely large modding community. with mods ranging from custom characters, to custom stages, to recreactions of other sonic games, to a PERSONA GAME, to A WHOLE KART RACER GAME, which funnily enough, also has a huge modding community.
9:35 BIG misconception, the marketplace isnt the only place nor even the most popular place to get bedrock mods (addons) people usually download them _for free_ online
thats only true for pc and modded consoles. i think the most bedrock players are on the various consoles that feature bedrock. and even less of those players have their consoles modded so they can download foreign files
@@corruptedplayerI think they're talking about Windows/mobile rather than console
I am legitimately surprised by the lack of Source being mentioned here. We first saw it with Half Life and GoldSrc, then it exploded from there. While many games are just directly made through the engine, there are a notable few which are just total conversion mods for existing Valve titles, such as Entropy Zero (1&2), Portal Reloaded, and SO MUCH MORE.
My current favorite modding communities are the Rivals of Aether workshop community, and Morrowind's Tamriel Rebuilt team. Also shoutouts to Project M!
Quake, another id game, also laid the foundation for whole engines once modified. These engines then went on to support their whole own gaming titans and possible modding heavens going forward. It’s insane really
Only person i've found who can pull my attention without also singing me a lullaby. Keep it up man :)
My favorite Minecraft modpack that I would never play is GregTech: New Horizons. It is insanely deep, and that is putting it lightly. I don't have the words to describe how deep it is. It takes on average 8,000-10,000 hours to complete, and not many people have done it. It turns Minecraft into an automation and logistics game like Factorio or Satisfactory. For example, creating a vanilla piston requires nine different steps, excluding ore processing, which is a whole different beast.
Are we just going to look over the fact that every time Bethesda updates Skyrim. It breaks everybody's mod load order?
That goes for the majority of games though, because of the fact that code the mod needs to run has been changed, even Minecraft has this problem.
@@josephkeen7224 that is very true. It just feels way worse with Bethesda games. Because it's often unannounced almost random. And you need third party tools to downgrade the game again. Minecraft doesn't force an automatic update down your throat. I have had Skyrim update, meanwhile i was playing the game. Crashing the game. And as a final rub of salt in the wound. It's usually just to add more paid mods to the game.
@@nord76231 Most people that mod Skyrim already know to disable automatic updates on Steam... when Steam actually works as intended. And ouch I feel your pain on that game crash.
@@nord76231 True, i have about 5 skyrim versions installed, i had to rename folders so the game wont update and downgrading and stuff is just painful
@@tommax1626 especially when some mods updates to the new version, but others don't.
The thing about Creative Club in Skyrim is that all mods there (or at least most from my understanding) are officially canon in the TES world because they mostly add things from previous games of the series.
how tf are you not bigger? this felt like a larger creators video so seamlessly
Speaking of RLCraft, Shivaxi is a great guy, he also helped develop the RLCoop Realistic Survival mod for Unreal Gold, and helped the Duke Nukem Forever 2001 leak modding team with Unreal Engine 1. Overall awesome dude and has DJ streams where everyone jams out to sweet tunes.
I'm so shocked you didn't bring up dragon block c when talking about modding for minecraft, it literally is one of the coolest mods I've seen for minecraft
Carmack was what the industry calls technical artist developing the tools and engine. Carmack was person that convinced the rest of the team about modding
By only criticism of the creation club is more "fear of a possible possibility".
As we went from horse armor to day 1 dlc, what I fear is that Bethesda may try in the future to discourage or obstacle the modding side that is free.
ohhh, that is a very valid concern!
edit: now I'm concerned too
I think what really helps in a game's modability is it's art style. If you want to add a new weapon to a game like Fallout 4 you need to know about modeling, UV unwrapping, texturing, and if it's animated also rigging, animation, and possibly VFX. Most programmers do not have the skills of a game artist, making it much harder to make their vision come to life cohesively with the rest of the game. However, pixel art makes this really easy, even a programmer without any prior art experience can put together something not half bad, and it instantly fits within the game thanks to the art style. This is why games with simple pixel art styles like Doom, Minecraft, and Terraria thrive when it comes to modding
We just gonna act like Half Life doesn’t exist? Like it’s one of the first games brought up when talking about changing the game experience through mods and whole games being made because of mods
37:45 The Story of Red Cloud is a mod that turns terraria into a souls-like with a massive adventure map your stander sould like mechanics like estus flasks, bonfires and dodge rolling ofc the mods reworks many of the vanilla bosses and even adds some of its own as well as new weapons, armors and accessories
Incredibly well put together video and already feels underrated. Commenting for that algo boost :)
you’re gonna make me cry😭
If I could suggest a series to look at I’d recommend the Soulsborne games, especially the more recent ones like Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, and Sekiro. There are tons of incredible mods that’ve been made from them, especially total conversion mods that either make the games much harder or turn them into brand new games. The Convergence mods are some of the best examples for this series since they add tons of new weapons, magic spells, Change up level/location layouts, and either add new mechanics to boss fights that are in the vanilla games or just add brand new fights that are sometimes so good it feels like FromSoft themselves could’ve designed them. Archthrones is another great example recently with DS3 that adds brand new levels and game mechanics to DS3 that almost make it feel like Dark Souls 4
Rimworld is another HUGE game with a gigantic modding scene that deserves a spot.
You should try Better Than Wolves, a REALLY old, near-complete rework of minecraft made in response to wolves being added. It makes dark kill you, hunger is scary, death is debilitating but potentially rewarding, getting close to death makes you MORE likely to die, and (in the newest version of it) creepers actually explode from their center so you can't block them easily anymore. It also completely changes spawning requirements, dirt falls, dirt sand and gravel are now slabbable, and you don't even get dirt as a full block, you get pieces of dirt. You want A LOT of dirt, by the way. Nether Portals are also REALLY dangerous, not because of what is in the nether, but because of what happens to mobs around them. Chickens explode, sheep float, wolves get really mad, and squids? Squids begin crying. And Squids/Wolves have new behavior now too! Squids are neutral in the way spiders are, and they attempt to drag you into the water, which is really hard to get out of! And if they get close to you, you'll wear them and be unable to see while they eat you. They can also hop onto zombies, but zombies won't die from them. Wolves are now a huge issue, but also potentially good. Wolves drop wolfchops, which can be cooked and eaten, but doing so near a wolf will aggro them which is very dangerous. If a wolf eats rotten flesh it will undergo a transformation after ~5 minutes into The Beast with more health higher attack and all around meanness. It also adds a lot of machinery for the mid to late game, as it's actually a TECH mod first and foremost! It adds 2 forms of "power" gen, wind and waterwheels, which power axles like create does, but better. No worries about limits, as long as you can get an axle to it it's powered. The dragon fight isn't the end either, oh no, it's just the only way home with the goodies in the end! Endstone is used to make the new most powerful things after all, Soulforged tools and armor! Made in a 4*4 crafting grid, no less. But that's not all, remember how I said death was potentially a boon? BTW has a progression system, where every tier makes the radius you can spawn in larger every time! It starts off small, but eventually you can spawn thousands of blocks away! In fact, you may want to! Structures are now very good, but only as you get farther from spawn! within 2000 blocks, structures are 'abandoned', meaning villages will be empty, have no crops, and zero loot. Not even furnaces or chests! Within 3000 blocks, villages become deserted, leaving behind SOME crops and potentially, one VERY hungry villager who may leave you stranded far from home once again if it sees you. After 3000 blocks villages are full and have more hungry villagers and crops, temples have their full loot instead of the 'junk' items, and the elusive Jungle Temple houses a very useful automation tool, if you dare to brave the dangers of the jungle... The jungle now houses a very dangerous enemy: Jungle Spiders. These nasty little critters will poison you AND give you hunger! Walking on leaves also makes you VERY slow, leaving you open to their attacks. Ah, I suppose I should talk about spawn requirements and WALKING SPEED shouldn't I? Yes, that's right, walking speed. For you see, different materials now make you walk slower, like grass/dirt and gravel making you walk slightly slower, sand making you quite slow, and leaves making you walk at a snails pace. Now about spawn requirements! 1.13 lighting rules are in affect here, but blocks also change what can spawn! Nothing bad can spawn on wood, and nothing good can spawn. No, that isn't a typo. Nothing good can spawn. No passive mob spawns except upon loading a new chunk! Same goes for villagers and their hungry counterparts. Now for the special things! Jungle Spiders ONLY spawn on jungle leaves. That is their only requirement. If there are jungle leaves, they can spawn on them. Mobs spawned from spawners don't give drops unless they have lived for at least one day. Ah, a little fun fact that doesn't fit anywhere else: Endermen are chickens and will run if you hit them. Now for the nether and its FUN little quirks... Zombie pigmen WILL swarm you. If one kills you, consider you items forfeit unless you have either a bow or soulforged steel at home. The one who killed you will wear your armor and weapon, and if it notices you, it WILL aggro ALL pigmen nearby. Be prepared to die multiple times. Also, they don't care WHO or WHAT hit them, pigmen will always aggro on the player, and will remember that for a while. The nether hosts the best source of automated wood: Bloodwood trees. These funky little things will continuously regrow, providing automatic wood for you! You will need it. Soulsand provides access to soul urns, a very useful item used in many recipes, and used to cure hungry villagers. Speaking of villagers, lets talk about their trades. Their trades are painful and required. You cannot make eyes of ender. You have to trade for them from a Librarian. Librarians, are rare. Librarians only appear in villages beyond the 3000 limit. Same story with the OTHER pain in my ---, Priests. Priests are needed for the final level up trade before eyes of ender are unlocked for trade by the Librarian, an block which places blocks. Do you know what priests need? That very useful automation tool in the jungle temple. And that's just the level up requirements. Villagers tend to love selling you things for insane amounts of emeralds and giving you 1 or 2 emeralds for bucketloads of difficult to obtain items, including crops. Yes, crops. Carrots and Potatoes take 5 days to grow and only give you 2 back RARELY. This is IF they survive that long, as unless they are planted in a planter they will grow weeds that need to be cleared or they die. Wheat is worse, taking 7 days and maybe giving you a single wheat, but gives you ample seeds in return. That's all I'm going to list however, as I believe TH-cam will cut me off if I go any longer. This is your local adhd transfem signing off.
Paradox games have so much mods it's insane, a quick look in the steam workshop shows so many content, total conversions and so many more. You could easily play 300+ hours on vanilla HOIV, EU4, CK2/CK3 and 300+ per TCM, and there are a lot of them.
Mount & Blade too, never played Bannerlord but Warband had a lot of vanilla+ and total conversion mods too.
The goblin army, pirate invasion, and solar eclipse aren't from thorium mod, they're part of vanilla terraria
The really large dialog switch statement is likely actually a constant time operation and fast through the use of a jump table once the game gets compiled down to assembly. Think of it as an array of jump instructions to the cases that's indexed by the switch expression.
For Minecraft Bedrock, there are a few DLL mods for the server software. Most notable are BDSX (allows extending with scripts) and Levi Lamina (is similar, but has more language support. Formerly known as Liteloader BDS)
There are some instances of deeply modifying the game's code like Trapdoor mod (Allows speeding up the game. This feature might come to vanilla) and BetterRenderDragon (changes some rendering and can allow RTX. It's one of very few client mods)
Client mods are really hard to achieve and only work on Windows. Bedrock hasn't achieved modding heaven and the mods are not popular, but they are a great tool for server admins. I enjoyed making minigames using BDSX and wanted to mention it, but cannot consider it an actual mod loader, because it's kinda limited.
Modding for Java has become much easier with the rise of the Forge mod loader and everything you mentioned wouldn't be possible without it. You should've mentioned Forge, because most mods run on it.
This is way longer than I thought.
Theres also the amethyst project which allows native C++ modding
Starbound is an unspoken beast of modding, sorry for people who disagree. They've got some really crazy stuff there
i haven't seen what starbound mods add, but looking at the points he made in the video, makes sense since Starbound is terraria but worse, so there's more room for mods to make it good.
@@KuroNK I mean kind of but the generation of Starbound is extremely malleable for modding. Unlike Terraria with its limited map size, Starbound has about a trillion planets. The advantage there is more biomes and such. I know Terraria has some mods with extra 'sub worlds' but they are more clumsy than Starbounds as it has an integrated teleporter for quests and all that
Basically Starbound has more potential
Also it has wiring so factories exist
@@fumofumo7815 Wow, might have to pickup starbound again, honestly, i bought it some time ago and after playing for 20~ hours and getting bored, i just dropped the game and forgot about it ever since.
@@KuroNK Its a mess, be warned
Game has cranky optimization. I just enjoy the Frackin Universe loop for some reason
You pretty much mirrored my personal opinion of the Creation Club. It can certainly be implemented better, but I think it's beyond commendable that Bethesda created a system that allowed modders to not only be paid for their work, but also have that same work playable on platforms other than PC, since the content selection is accessible on consoles that support CC. Despite my issues with Bethesda, they have had a pretty good track record with supporting the modding scene (apart from Starfield afaik), and I hope they continue to do that.
Sonic Generations can be considered a game that has achieved modding heaven. Tons of character hacks (a few even give them new abilities), tons of levels and more. There are only a few hacks that try to make it a completely new game, like project unleash and generations adventure, but i think it can count for modding heaven.
7:14 something to mention is that Robo Blast 2 has its own insane modding scene with tons of new characters, mechanics, stages, etc. And if that wasn't enough, a total conversion mod was made of SRB2 to turn it into Sonic Robo Blast 2 KART (or just Sonic Robo Kart) which also has its OWN insanely huge modding scene. Still not enough? SRB2K's 2.0 update was so huge that it basically became its own sequel called Dr. Robotnik's Ring Racers which just released recently.
So to trace, a sequel to a total conversion mod OF a total conversion mod of Doom. If that doesn't speak to how moddable Doom is, I don't know what will.
I feel like Madness project Nexus is soon to reach modding heaven, since the game has a lot of love, and people want to mod it, and soon we're getting workshop support, and the devs are producing guides on how to mod
Somehow I’ve never seen this game but the art style looks familiar. I’ll have to check it out I’m seeing some highhhh reviews
@@iAmLufa Yeah it's based off the madness combat web series, and I believe the creator calls the series canon, you'll have to fact check me on that tho. Currently (pre workshop) there are like, two mods that are worth your time, and one is like super duper niche, and the other turns it into a sandbox. But I think workshop will fix this and make the game achieve modding heaven.
Awesome. I’ll be interested to see where it goes, feel free to update me!
@@iAmLufa Expect me in like, a month if I remember, you should get the game though, it's like 25 dollars and maybe if the game gets enough players we will get networking.
i feel like Terraria Overhaul could be used to make a point that it has achieved modding heaven
How can you not mention half-life 1 or 2 they literally became game engines source and gold source and some of the biggest games in the world are built on top of them garrys mod, portal, counter strike, and team fortress 2. They also both got tons of great traditional mods like entropy zero 2 and echoes.
HOW DID YOU NOT INCLUDE HALF-LIFE?!! It spawned entire games, some of wich ended up being iconic franchises, like left 4 dead and most notably fricking counter strike!
Thorium is my favorite terraria mod. It blends perfectly with vanilla and adds a bit of challenge and literally double to content including some good bosses.
Kind of wild you didn't talk about Source engine games, in particular, Garry's mod. That game is an extremely moddable mod of an extremely moddable game engine. You can't go more meta than that
For the Skyrim payed mods platform, most modders, that make free mods for any game, not just Skyrim, usually have some form of donation page available. You can still support them in any amount you want, even though their work is free. Besides, once something gets mortised, the quality starts to plummet, as it is driven by money, rather than passion and love.
Terraria doesn't have an infinite world
I have yet to see any 2024/2025 Games that have an insane potential for Modding
37:50 now it has a roguelike mod which completely changes the way the game works and gives a completely different experience
Stardew Valley's most popular mod is basically Stardew Valley 2, it is called Stardew Valley expanded and it changes a lot about the base game, it came out before some major updates too because everyone believed the game was done but then ConcernedApe pulled a Terraria and still updates it sometimes just for giggles
Not a single valve game?
Gotta mention maps from Minecraft too when it comes to commands and stuff. I remember someone created Ocarina of Time using commands and server mods back in the day and it went crazy on TH-cam bc it had shields and locked doors etc.
Idk if it counts, but CoD Black Ops 3 have a curious modding thing, because maybe isn't that big in other sections, but in Zombies Mode its another thing, you can add weapons, maps, perks and another things, even have a solid community (in my opinion)
17:07 honestly RLcraft is kind of a bad example. Its litteraly a bunch of the most youtube clickbait mods mashed together to make prime youtube reaction material. Gameplay is kinda mid if you are actually trying to do a long playthrough. Id say something like a terrafirma modpack would be a better example. It changes almost every aspect of the entire game while keeping it fair.
Also when you were listing off what the thorium mod adds you listed off the 3 events that are already in the game lol. Goblin armies, solar eclipses, and pirate invasions have been in the game for ages.
Never forget the fact that both Half-Life and Half-Life 2 had various mods that became some of the most influential standalone games of all time.
I wish you'd talked about Datapacks. In some recent years, Mojang has slowly been adding their own form of mod support that is becoming just as versatile as the various modding engines like Forge and Fabric
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Speaking of game overhauling mods for Minecraft that weren't mentioned, I really encourage you to check out TerraFirmaCraft, aka TFC. It basically changes the entire game to be _much_ more challenging to survive, but doing that by making the world and the game mechanics much more closely resemble the real world stone age. And, of course, many modpacks have built on top of TFC to allow progression past the stone age and even lead into other mods like the one that lets you get to other planets! Flippin' love TFC and the development team behind it
Edit: Ironically, the TFC mod _itself_ has its own mod ecosystem around it. Eg I've been helping with Blaze Map, a mapping mod that serves as the basis to Cartography, a mapping mod that specifically enables TFC functionality like ore tracking. And then you have mods that expand TFC like Firmalife which adds a lot more depth to the food growing/making/preserving aspect of the game, or something as simple as the TFC Flasks mod which just provides more ways to carry around water, or Firmalife which adds sailing ships. And these are all TFC-specific mods! I just love the whole mod-within-a-mod ecosystem that's sprung up around TFC
25:50 you just gave the best argument for the creation club that i’ve ever seen and just changed my view on it. thank you
I really have to mention Space Engineers here because it's on the level of minecraft. You can mod the game into different genres and you have access to nearly all the dev tools.
Forge mode from Halo also needs a mention as, I will be honest, Forge is better than the actual game at this point.
Tnodloader was the first modding key, but there also were older before 1.3 update, and Thorium is based on another mod from pre 1.3 era
Half life should have been on here. I'd say nearly all Valve games (team fortress 2 / day of defeat / counter strike / left 4 dead / etc.) (and titanfall / apex legends / stanley parable / and gmod for christ's sake) started as either Half life mods, or mods of those mods. Plus the mods that are still mods, which I can't even name all of.
In fact, Valve has always been like that, and has a trend of hiring the best developers to actually work at the company.
Shocked you didn’t bring up Kerbal Space Program. In my 9 years of playing i’ve genuinely never met someone play the vanilla (or as we call it, stock) game. Additionally it has some absolutely insane mods, for example RSS/RO which replaces the games solar system and tech tree with real life planets and tech respectively, or principa which literally rewrites the entire physics engine for one that calculates real time multi-body orbital physics. There are far more of these incredibly impressive mods many of which are based in deep knowledge of real science, math, engineering and physics. The KSP community is insane, im convinced they could actually build a real spaceship if they wanted.
The TerRogueLike mod for Terraria officially qualifies the game for mod heaven, as it successfully converts the game in to a roguelike, its a fun roguelike too!
Some games are like a canvas. Empty canvas with holes and a broken frame. But people manage to work with it anyway.
Just to add on the minecraft bit, there are mods like adventurecraft where you can play entire games in minecraft, people have made entire zelda games in it
GTA San Andreas definitely deserves to be in a part 2! Loved the vid ❤
I was literally thinking about this while in the shower yesterday. Like if I could make a game that allows players to make their own content to the game forever and making a vote on what mods to make into the actual game for everyone to play for free.
I mean the game would ofc cost money to play but dlcs would be free
I think assetto corsa has got to be a game that has acchived "modding heaven". The devs actively encourage modding, as a racing game its very open ended so almost anything to be done with cars feels at home in AC, and the community is massive and passionate.
I think Geometry dash should have gotten at least an honorable mention with its editor. Sure it’s editor is built into the game, but the community has been able to turn it into something it 100% should NOT have been able to do.
Back in 2.1, Serponge released “Mastergame”, a fully fledged Top down Zelda-esque RPG with its own mechanics, map, and somehow, a password save system. Later down the line, Yoreid released Floating Maze and Floating Outskirts, which were platformer levels before they were supported natively. Then Dienid’s released Abel, which simulated camera effects before that was supported, and then there was “What” by Spu7nix which is just a pure anomaly that I can’t even begin to comprehend.
Once 2.2 came out the floodgates completely opened with Platformer mode adding enough controls to make some legitimate gaming experiences. After seeing multiple metroidvanias pop up and Fnaf fully recreated in the game within a month of the update, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got GTA 5 in Geometry dash before we see GTA 6.
Kerbal Space Program deserves coverage, the mods in that game range from whole interstellar exploration / colonization experiences to extreme realism and difficulty in the real-life solar system. Noting the relative failure of the sequel to capture a large modding scene due to its lack of support and community passion would also be an interesting point of the video.
I believe another up and coming sizable modding community is the Barotrauma community, you should see into it, its slowly and steadily growing to make amazing and absurd mods for the game alike.
great video! i think warcraft 3 deserves to be mentioned in discussions like this. the game released with a really powerful official map editor and quickly developed a really passionate modding community. i don't know if it's reached the same level of "modding heaven" that games mentioned here have, but there's still been some really impressive things made in it, such as the original Defence of the Ancients map, which was eventually made into a fully independent game and literally helped to invent an entire new genre of video games.
I think for Skyrim you should've included a special factor that drives it's modding scene. That being "Horniness"
1:30 Heh, that line makes me think about the fact that Minecraft doesn't _really_ have official mod support from a technical standpoint (although recent years that's improved a lot!) but yet there's so many community-built modloaders out there that's it's actually kind of a problem because most aren't intercompatible 😅
I wonder if Vintage Story could get to modding heaven point. The scene isn't that big yet, but per their own words, it was built from the ground up for modding and the devs use their own mod API to add content, with open source modding tools and half the game under a readable source license. I'd love to see VS get the same kind of fanbase as minecraft just to see what kinds of things people could come up with.
there's certain popular games that have recently been modded to hell (one of which has changed parts of the entire site of gamebanana) and i'd consider have been turned into engines (psych engine and opentower)
35:18 Those are all already in the base game, lmao. Thorium does change a couple of them though!
I'm surprised Sonic Generations didn't get an honorable mention. Levels, characters, and older sonic games have been made in there.
There is another game that I think may also be Modding Heaven, Kenshi. It has mods that completely change the game from Post-Post Apocalypses to Star Wars.