Thanks for trying our Queen in support to see if it’s good and not just staying on your previous opinion ! Also big respect for listening to that kogmo sounds without breaking something 😂
I love playing Seraphine on support and I refuse to play anything other than support on her, because it just feels so good, even with her current struggles. I am currently trying to improve, especially on Seraphine, but on support in general, so I am trying to find good support players and understanding what they do and what decision they make, as well as why, so I came across your video (sorry, first time viewer), but I am unsure about some parts. Sorry if it's bothersome and it is probably a bit of a waste of time from your perspective, but if not, could you perhaps explain some decisions for me? Some decisions, I can't really ask about, since map is covered, but fair enough, ghosters are annoying. All of these are legitimate questions, so please don't see any of them as criticism or toxicity. Regarding build, why Glacial over Aery? Why do build Mandate over some heal power items or Rylais 2nd and then heal? Also, what makes you choose Helia over Shurelya's? I feel like I don't understand Helia as much yet, I proc it a lot in my games, but when I hover over it, the numbers are really low anyway. I have the same issue with Moonstone, but I don't use Moonstone on Seraphine, but I have tried it a lot in general. I have seen some people buy Liandry's on support, why do they do that, isn't it too expensive to go for? At the start, why do you not contest for level 2, when your all-in with Kog is quite strong and Ezreal can't really do much about you both, even with Nautilus, if you hit level 2 first? You probably wouldn't kill, but you would get a really nice trade, no? What is the reason for not buying control wards never pathing mid from base? At 4:37, you didn't go for the E root on nautilus, even though he presented himself quite nicely, you could've at least gotten a ton of health out of him with Kog, why did you not go for it? A5 5:48, you decide to shove the wave in, why is that? Do you want to guarantee a bounce? If so, why not go for it earlier, since Kog now has nothing to do for a while? I feel like they wouldn't really get to freeze off of that, but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe you also anticipated Heca and wanted to ensure Kog doesn't get into much danger until you are back, since he can't go to the wave anyway? At 8:13, why did you use W with max XP, when you see last minion about to die? Wouldn't holding until E is back up have been better, to then root the Heca before he reaches Kog, walk away with your normal W and ult if necessary? (Still worked out nicely though) At 15:06, why did you both decide to greed and stay? Was it just the prospect of getting the kill on Ezreal? Based on what happened, I assume you don't have much vision on botside and you also mentioned, you should've just left. There was probably more that I didn't even notice or think about, but these points I noticed and wasn't sure about. Thanks for the video, it was very nice and also informative and I will definitely watch more, as I see you have a lot of Seraphine content (obviously). 😀
1. I went Glacial over Aery because of Echoes of Helia+Font of Life combo. Anytime you slow enemies, it triggers Font of Life which allows your allies to heal and use the charges of Helia. I typically play Seraphine as a carry and Helia was the first mythic I felt like she could truly do well in support role. She doesn't have many ways to trigger Shurelya's passive, so it's usually just for the active which I would rather have more AP. 2. Most of the decisions I made of when to go in and not to in lane were for lane state. Didn't try and poke Naut because we were slow pushing the wave and minions would have aggroed me when we weren't trying to kill. I pushed the wave at 5:48 because my ADC died and the wave was pushing towards them so if I didn't push into tower, my ADC would be behind farm. 3. At 8:13, didn't notice my XP bar, was trying to stop the incoming Hecarim lol. E is really hard to hit on Hecarims in Challenger so wanted to try and use W if I could to try to save Kog. 4. 15:06, yeah just greed lmao. 5. I typically don't buy control wards in high elo since it usually just funnels gold into enemy team and there's enough communication to know what's warded and where they come from. This video was from before the recent Helia nerfs. I haven't tried it on support Seraphine since the nerfs so the numbers might be a bit lower now. I think I answered most of the questions. Thanks for watching!
@@Cupic_ Thanks a lot for your response, so quick as well. I don't play Helia's a lot, so I can't really tell if it's that bad now, but it doesn't feel like it does a ton, might have to pay more attention to it. For Shurelya's, I just like using W with all my haste and just spam buffing, shielding and healing everyone, but might not be a good decision, since there were probably some moments where I needed W and it was on CD. Your points make sense, I also agree with the warding, it makes sense, since you would usually know where everyone is, even without vision. I would prefer vision, but I guess you can play without it just fine. In lower elos, this is not as viable, but it makes sense in higher ones. Thanks for the answers, it was very helpful, there are definitely parts that I didn't consider at all, so it's good to see someone's perspective. I hope she becomes better on support again and I will definitely have more videos to watch now. 😀 Well, time to dance in the rain.
I can finally say that this seraphine support build is viable. I've been pretty critical of seraphine support before because I felt like she was forced support. Echoes of Helia with Glacial/Font of Life makes it viable.
Wouldn't Aery be better? It has both cooldown and mana issues, and it's very hard to stun with e. I can't believe how you played him mid lane like that. Mana is so hard to control that I constantly feel like I have to go back. And is New Moonstone applicable in the Mid lane?
Moonstone is really bad, wait for buffs before trying it. Mana isn't so hard with biscuits, you just have to make your spells count and you build a lot of mana regen as support. Having the slow from Glacial to work on Font of Life is the main advantage of the runes. You still want aery runes if you're going something other than Echoes of Helia.
Ye mana is only an issue until first recall. Not like massive issue, but you cant just spam spells if you are not hitting them.After that its no problem at all i feel.
I don't think you need to go glacial for Lux. Probably fine to stick with aery/comet. You can definitely try glacial out on lux and see if you like it.
Not quite. I still plan to make a guide for her. Just wanted to show off the support build in some games at high elo since I didn't think she was suitable for high elo before this build.
@@Cupic_ ohh okkk so "Glacial Augment" is to proc "Front of life" more often, and more procs of "Front of Life" means we get more procs of "Echos of Helia"
THE KOG NOISES I CANT
bruh 2 min in an it sounds like he constantly gagging 😏🥒😅
GAWK GAWK GAWK
IM TRAUMATIZED
LMAO
WHY DOES KOG MAW SOUND LIKE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA SPEW OUT COOKIES AT ANY SECOND
Cupid knew this item would come back so he waited to make the guide for support obviously…right we’ve been waiting
😭i know, I've been so busy. It's still something I plan to do.
Thanks for trying our Queen in support to see if it’s good and not just staying on your previous opinion ! Also big respect for listening to that kogmo sounds without breaking something 😂
You have really kind teams, i've never saw such kind team mates XD yasuo even said "sorry for int" ?!
I play wild rift, Kog Maw isn't in it, but if he was I might perma ban him just so I never had to hear his attack sounds 🤣
yes! i was waiting for you to try this build! it's finally made me enjoy sera support. helia nerfs coming soon tho :(
Kog is giving... Back of a Denny's at 3am, but we love herrrrrr yaaaas slay 💕
WHY IS KOG SO GAWD DAMN LOUD 😭😭
dang kogmaw got that throat game
Thank you, I needed a new build after this bullshit of a patch. You truly are SeraSupreme!
I love playing Seraphine on support and I refuse to play anything other than support on her, because it just feels so good, even with her current struggles. I am currently trying to improve, especially on Seraphine, but on support in general, so I am trying to find good support players and understanding what they do and what decision they make, as well as why, so I came across your video (sorry, first time viewer), but I am unsure about some parts. Sorry if it's bothersome and it is probably a bit of a waste of time from your perspective, but if not, could you perhaps explain some decisions for me? Some decisions, I can't really ask about, since map is covered, but fair enough, ghosters are annoying. All of these are legitimate questions, so please don't see any of them as criticism or toxicity.
Regarding build, why Glacial over Aery? Why do build Mandate over some heal power items or Rylais 2nd and then heal? Also, what makes you choose Helia over Shurelya's? I feel like I don't understand Helia as much yet, I proc it a lot in my games, but when I hover over it, the numbers are really low anyway. I have the same issue with Moonstone, but I don't use Moonstone on Seraphine, but I have tried it a lot in general. I have seen some people buy Liandry's on support, why do they do that, isn't it too expensive to go for?
At the start, why do you not contest for level 2, when your all-in with Kog is quite strong and Ezreal can't really do much about you both, even with Nautilus, if you hit level 2 first? You probably wouldn't kill, but you would get a really nice trade, no?
What is the reason for not buying control wards never pathing mid from base?
At 4:37, you didn't go for the E root on nautilus, even though he presented himself quite nicely, you could've at least gotten a ton of health out of him with Kog, why did you not go for it?
A5 5:48, you decide to shove the wave in, why is that? Do you want to guarantee a bounce? If so, why not go for it earlier, since Kog now has nothing to do for a while? I feel like they wouldn't really get to freeze off of that, but maybe I'm wrong? Maybe you also anticipated Heca and wanted to ensure Kog doesn't get into much danger until you are back, since he can't go to the wave anyway?
At 8:13, why did you use W with max XP, when you see last minion about to die? Wouldn't holding until E is back up have been better, to then root the Heca before he reaches Kog, walk away with your normal W and ult if necessary? (Still worked out nicely though)
At 15:06, why did you both decide to greed and stay? Was it just the prospect of getting the kill on Ezreal? Based on what happened, I assume you don't have much vision on botside and you also mentioned, you should've just left.
There was probably more that I didn't even notice or think about, but these points I noticed and wasn't sure about. Thanks for the video, it was very nice and also informative and I will definitely watch more, as I see you have a lot of Seraphine content (obviously). 😀
1. I went Glacial over Aery because of Echoes of Helia+Font of Life combo. Anytime you slow enemies, it triggers Font of Life which allows your allies to heal and use the charges of Helia. I typically play Seraphine as a carry and Helia was the first mythic I felt like she could truly do well in support role. She doesn't have many ways to trigger Shurelya's passive, so it's usually just for the active which I would rather have more AP.
2. Most of the decisions I made of when to go in and not to in lane were for lane state. Didn't try and poke Naut because we were slow pushing the wave and minions would have aggroed me when we weren't trying to kill. I pushed the wave at 5:48 because my ADC died and the wave was pushing towards them so if I didn't push into tower, my ADC would be behind farm.
3. At 8:13, didn't notice my XP bar, was trying to stop the incoming Hecarim lol. E is really hard to hit on Hecarims in Challenger so wanted to try and use W if I could to try to save Kog.
4. 15:06, yeah just greed lmao.
5. I typically don't buy control wards in high elo since it usually just funnels gold into enemy team and there's enough communication to know what's warded and where they come from.
This video was from before the recent Helia nerfs. I haven't tried it on support Seraphine since the nerfs so the numbers might be a bit lower now.
I think I answered most of the questions. Thanks for watching!
@@Cupic_ Thanks a lot for your response, so quick as well. I don't play Helia's a lot, so I can't really tell if it's that bad now, but it doesn't feel like it does a ton, might have to pay more attention to it.
For Shurelya's, I just like using W with all my haste and just spam buffing, shielding and healing everyone, but might not be a good decision, since there were probably some moments where I needed W and it was on CD.
Your points make sense, I also agree with the warding, it makes sense, since you would usually know where everyone is, even without vision. I would prefer vision, but I guess you can play without it just fine. In lower elos, this is not as viable, but it makes sense in higher ones.
Thanks for the answers, it was very helpful, there are definitely parts that I didn't consider at all, so it's good to see someone's perspective.
I hope she becomes better on support again and I will definitely have more videos to watch now. 😀
Well, time to dance in the rain.
I started playing a year ago and was playing just Sera support for a long time never played like this w these runes and stuff will def try❤️
Would you say sera supp is finally viable? I’m still hesitant to start playing it a lot again as the wr still doesn’t look amazing
I can finally say that this seraphine support build is viable. I've been pretty critical of seraphine support before because I felt like she was forced support. Echoes of Helia with Glacial/Font of Life makes it viable.
Does the seraphine sona botlane strat still work?
It does! Seraphine should be the one farming, but double Echoes of Helia is a good combo.
when do you think its better to go rylais before mandate?
Gonna try glacial vs engage supps i guess
as a beginner, I hate that I can't see the mini map lmao
The Kog'Maw sounds. 🥴🥴🥴
Wouldn't Aery be better? It has both cooldown and mana issues, and it's very hard to stun with e. I can't believe how you played him mid lane like that. Mana is so hard to control that I constantly feel like I have to go back. And is New Moonstone applicable in the Mid lane?
Moonstone is really bad, wait for buffs before trying it. Mana isn't so hard with biscuits, you just have to make your spells count and you build a lot of mana regen as support. Having the slow from Glacial to work on Font of Life is the main advantage of the runes.
You still want aery runes if you're going something other than Echoes of Helia.
Ye mana is only an issue until first recall. Not like massive issue, but you cant just spam spells if you are not hitting them.After that its no problem at all i feel.
So glacial in every matchup?
Yep! Glacial/Echoes of Helia for support.
Do you think this build + runes would work on Lux support? (Except the rylais ofc)
I don't think you need to go glacial for Lux. Probably fine to stick with aery/comet. You can definitely try glacial out on lux and see if you like it.
do u prefer this rune over aery?
It was good when Font of Life triggered Echoes of Helia, but they changed that interaction so I'd say Aery is better.
@@Cupic_ okay!! thank u
so if want to climb seraphine with this build or sona
I think Sona is slightly better, but this is still good on Seraphine if you want to play her more than Sona.
Is this video basically the Seraphine support guide?
Not quite. I still plan to make a guide for her. Just wanted to show off the support build in some games at high elo since I didn't think she was suitable for high elo before this build.
aaa i've been playing this build and it's so much fun tyy for posting supp gameplay
why do you chose glacial augment instead of aery /gardian ? :o
i saw some seraphine support do that before the patch but i wonder why...
Echoes of helia procs off Font of Life and Glacial makes it easier to trigger font of life.
I think that to activate the damage of helia it must heal with the shield (W x2) and it takes glacial (slow) to keep the stun with the wave (E)
@@elecstone5035 " it takes glacial (slow) to keep the stun with the wave (E)" i dont understand that part ! :(
@@Cupic_ ohh okkk so "Glacial Augment" is to proc "Front of life" more often, and more procs of "Front of Life" means we get more procs of "Echos of Helia"
I loved the champion and how do you play, What are the runes?
For support:
Glacial Augment/magic footwear/biscuits/cosmic insight
Font of Life/Revitalize
Ability haste/Adaptive Force/Armor
Muted the music for yourself but left it for your teammates to enjoy xdd
Bro ¿por que no compras ward rojo..?
i thought vladimir sounds were bad on ur settings.. lord have mercy kog maw please 😭
I only play her support, gonna need to onetrick her again before these items are eventually nerfed:')
Why not 3rd item cosmic?
I wanted Rylais to trigger Glacial Augment off of a single E.
Omg a seraphine support slay😍
you're my king!! I'll walk on your path!
ur my inspiration
GawkMaw 3000
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first comment and like 😇
did you get autofilled 🤌
I actually queued Seraphine support to show off the new build!