Hey sir, i like the way you inform people and analyze these lines.. But i have a question.. Where do you get this explanation from? Like is it something you conclude or extrapolate from the poem yourself or something that everybody has agreed on. Because i have a different point of view and i want your opinion as well if you don't mind. What if we say that he is only talking about his poetry that the pronoun "You" in the 3rd line refers to his poetry and not his lover, and that's why he says "in all posterity" the future generations, (his lover aint gonna last to the future generations) and also it's a little bit hard to believe that his lover will live in the powerful rhyme, but we can say that his poetry can live forever in a living record. This poem is really complicated and if you answer me, it will help me so much. Thank you for your effort sir.
Hey Muhammad, thanks for the comment! The question about the identity of the "you" in Shakespeare's sonnets hasn't been settled. I read the "you" in this sonnet to be an actual person (a lover or patron--perhaps the fair youth, the young man, or someone else?) because, in the other sonnets, the poet usually addresses a person with "you," and he refers to his poem with the demonstrative pronouns "this" or "these" (i.g. "so long lives this" of Sonnet 18 or "this written embassage" of Sonnet 26 or "these poor rude lines" of Sonnet 32 or "these black lines" of Sonnet 63 and "this powerful rhyme" in this sonnet--all referring to his poetry). I think your point is well taken, though, and yours is an interesting reading. If the poet is addressing his poem with "you" here, then he is doing something he hasn't done in any of the other sonnets (I think). Line 8 also indicates an address to a person, in my view. "The living record of your memory" must mean that the poem is the "living record" of the memory of the person addressed. Does my support for my interpretation make sense? To your other point: I agree that it *is* a little hard to believe that his lover will live in the rhyme and that it might make more sense that the poem itself will live in the rhyme. "Rhyme" in line 2 of this sonnet refers to the poem, not so much the rhymes within it. "Rhyme" is sometimes used as another word for a poem. The idea that a poem could immortalize a lover is a convention going back to Petrarch. It's silly, true, and not to be taken literally. Edmund Spenser, writing during the same century in which Shakespeare wrote these sonnets, uses this convention in his Amoretti Sonnet 75: One day I wrote her name upon the strand, but came the waves and washèd it away: agayne I wrote it with a second hand, but came the tyde, and made my paynes his pray. Vayne man, sayd she, that doest in vaine assay, a mortall thing so to immortalize, for I my selve shall lyke to this decay, and eek my name bee wypèd out lykewize. Not so, (quod I) let baser things devize to dy in dust, but you shall live by fame: my verse your vertues rare shall eternize, and in the hevens wryte your glorious name. Where whenas death shall all the world subdew, our love shall live, and later life renew. I hope this helps!
@@closereadingpoetry Totally awesome sir, and i really appreciate your help cuz, and yeah, it makes sense now 😂❤️ Also i was just wondering if you got any social media apps such as Instagram and stuff, i'd be glad to get to know someone like you!
@@english.w.muhammad Glad that helped! The meanings of the sonnets are (notoriously?) ambiguous. It's partly what makes them last, I think. There's often an apparent meaning that can be surmised by their context and placement within the collection, but, apart from it, they often take on a life of their own. I talked a little about that in the videos on S.87 and S.116, the latter a case in point! I'm just getting my instagram back going again after a 2-year hiatus. You're welcome to follow me there! @gage.walker
@@closereadingpoetry Thx buddy, i've followed you on Instagram. Now, your explanation is actually but lemme get right to the point. There are 3 different ways of explaining a poem which are 1- you explain the poem according to its language more than anything else as what you did, like you went deeply tryna find why "this" and "these" are mostly always referring to Shakespeare's poem or poetry. 2-the other kind of explaining a poem is that you try as hard as you can to find the moral lessons and the main themes of writing this poem. 3-the last type of explaining a poem or probably it's not the last one, but anyways.. This type is more about the poetic devices that are used in the poem, and why they are used. this could even help you guess the main theme or the moral lesson of the poem. But by the way your explanation is awesome, and i'm telling you about the 2nd and 3rd types of explanation because most of people who search for an explanation of a particular poem, they do this because it's required from them at college, and at colleges professors always look for two specific things which are the poetic devices and the main themes or the moral lesson of the poem. I think that this would even help you get more famous and well known, you can search on TH-cam and check how a lot of people are gaining fame just for focusing on these two points, they can even suck at them, but students usually are too lazy to guess if this explanation is enough or even logically accepted, but not me 😂😂, I always check everything and translate and start guessing until i reach to a specific point of view Thanks again for your efforts buddy, much love!
Thank you very much man, this helped a ton in my English class. I've never really read poetry, but this breakdown was very interesting to listen to!
You're very welcome!
A wonderful sonnet excellently explained.Thanks Adam
Bro it helped me in my final exam
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Hey sir, i like the way you inform people and analyze these lines.. But i have a question.. Where do you get this explanation from? Like is it something you conclude or extrapolate from the poem yourself or something that everybody has agreed on.
Because i have a different point of view and i want your opinion as well if you don't mind.
What if we say that he is only talking about his poetry that the pronoun "You" in the 3rd line refers to his poetry and not his lover, and that's why he says "in all posterity" the future generations, (his lover aint gonna last to the future generations) and also it's a little bit hard to believe that his lover will live in the powerful rhyme, but we can say that his poetry can live forever in a living record.
This poem is really complicated and if you answer me, it will help me so much.
Thank you for your effort sir.
Hey Muhammad, thanks for the comment! The question about the identity of the "you" in Shakespeare's sonnets hasn't been settled. I read the "you" in this sonnet to be an actual person (a lover or patron--perhaps the fair youth, the young man, or someone else?) because, in the other sonnets, the poet usually addresses a person with "you," and he refers to his poem with the demonstrative pronouns "this" or "these" (i.g. "so long lives this" of Sonnet 18 or "this written embassage" of Sonnet 26 or "these poor rude lines" of Sonnet 32 or "these black lines" of Sonnet 63 and "this powerful rhyme" in this sonnet--all referring to his poetry). I think your point is well taken, though, and yours is an interesting reading. If the poet is addressing his poem with "you" here, then he is doing something he hasn't done in any of the other sonnets (I think). Line 8 also indicates an address to a person, in my view. "The living record of your memory" must mean that the poem is the "living record" of the memory of the person addressed. Does my support for my interpretation make sense?
To your other point: I agree that it *is* a little hard to believe that his lover will live in the rhyme and that it might make more sense that the poem itself will live in the rhyme. "Rhyme" in line 2 of this sonnet refers to the poem, not so much the rhymes within it. "Rhyme" is sometimes used as another word for a poem. The idea that a poem could immortalize a lover is a convention going back to Petrarch. It's silly, true, and not to be taken literally. Edmund Spenser, writing during the same century in which Shakespeare wrote these sonnets, uses this convention in his Amoretti Sonnet 75:
One day I wrote her name upon the strand,
but came the waves and washèd it away:
agayne I wrote it with a second hand,
but came the tyde, and made my paynes his pray.
Vayne man, sayd she, that doest in vaine assay,
a mortall thing so to immortalize,
for I my selve shall lyke to this decay,
and eek my name bee wypèd out lykewize.
Not so, (quod I) let baser things devize
to dy in dust, but you shall live by fame:
my verse your vertues rare shall eternize,
and in the hevens wryte your glorious name.
Where whenas death shall all the world subdew,
our love shall live, and later life renew.
I hope this helps!
@@closereadingpoetry Totally awesome sir, and i really appreciate your help cuz, and yeah, it makes sense now 😂❤️
Also i was just wondering if you got any social media apps such as Instagram and stuff, i'd be glad to get to know someone like you!
@@english.w.muhammad Glad that helped! The meanings of the sonnets are (notoriously?) ambiguous. It's partly what makes them last, I think. There's often an apparent meaning that can be surmised by their context and placement within the collection, but, apart from it, they often take on a life of their own. I talked a little about that in the videos on S.87 and S.116, the latter a case in point! I'm just getting my instagram back going again after a 2-year hiatus. You're welcome to follow me there! @gage.walker
@@closereadingpoetry Thx buddy, i've followed you on Instagram.
Now, your explanation is actually but lemme get right to the point.
There are 3 different ways of explaining a poem which are 1- you explain the poem according to its language more than anything else as what you did, like you went deeply tryna find why "this" and "these" are mostly always referring to Shakespeare's poem or poetry.
2-the other kind of explaining a poem is that you try as hard as you can to find the moral lessons and the main themes of writing this poem.
3-the last type of explaining a poem or probably it's not the last one, but anyways.. This type is more about the poetic devices that are used in the poem, and why they are used. this could even help you guess the main theme or the moral lesson of the poem.
But by the way your explanation is awesome, and i'm telling you about the 2nd and 3rd types of explanation because most of people who search for an explanation of a particular poem, they do this because it's required from them at college, and at colleges professors always look for two specific things which are the poetic devices and the main themes or the moral lesson of the poem.
I think that this would even help you get more famous and well known, you can search on TH-cam and check how a lot of people are gaining fame just for focusing on these two points, they can even suck at them, but students usually are too lazy to guess if this explanation is enough or even logically accepted, but not me 😂😂, I always check everything and translate and start guessing until i reach to a specific point of view
Thanks again for your efforts buddy, much love!
How did Shakespeare know William Herbert, the dedicatee?
Thanks, dude! 👍
I have exam in potery and I’m so scared 🗿💔💔💔