But what if i play a german bow... with a french grip?!?!?!?! MIND BLOWING!!!!! I have both bows but i prefer the french, though i am german... so please don´t tell anyone.
That's what I do, a modified french grip with a german bow. The larger frog is a great place to anchor the thumb, providing lots of control over the bow.
Very reasoned and articulated lesson. I here as a beginning cellist finding the 'french' bow very tiring on the hand. I have been know to 'change up' to a more German hold on the bow; it is much easier on the hand! I won't be playing internationally any time soon, so I think I'm safe
Huge thanks for that. Best demonstration of the differences, especially the issue of the German bow on the E string...the main problem I’m experiencing atm with changing from the French bow on which, as you say, is not a problem. Thanks again. Very clear demonstration.
You get your description of the Streicher grip a bit wrong: It is only the first finger that rests on the top of the stick and provides weight, the tip of the second finger rests on the side of the stick and keeps the it level. String crossing is also quite different, the pinky finger adjust the attitude of the frog from flat on the bottom strings to angled on the top. Complex string changes can be easily achieved with this technique.
Thanks so much for pointing out the inaccuracy in this video. My time playing in Europe was mainly in Germany; the only experience I had with the Streicher technique was observing other players at orchestra auditions and seeing the Vienna Philharmonic.
two of my teachers are students of Streicher, and what I've learned is put first finger on the top of the frog. It sounds kind of weak.. One day my college told me that he put two finger on the top now because people in orchestra do that, and that is strong. So I played with this technique for a while. It dose sound louder, but it makes the bow goes diagonal (frog up tip down) some how. Any way.. I don't think it fit me the best, even with one finger. I'm going to try the german bow hold now..btw, does somebody knows any books for right hand technique??
th-cam.com/video/zGo8VKPE3Qo/w-d-xo.html Turn the video speed down to lowest, and observe at 49 seconds.....best way to get to what He taught is to see how he played?
Nope not wrong at all, I studied with Streicher in Spain and he would switch back and forth with one or two fingers on the stick. He played his solo concerts with one finger on the stick but in orchestra he would switch depending on the occasion. And many of his students played with both fingers all the time.
Great video, thanks. I started with a French bow because it came with the bass. But I might be doing it wrong because it puts a lot of pressure on my first finger. So I got a German bow, but found the same problem as described in the video -- it's tougher to play the E string, especially because I stand next to the bass rather than behind it. So now I'm back to French bowing and trying to figure out how to hold it so that it doesn't put too much stress on the first finger.
Thanks, very informative. I have read that the German bow works better for players with long arms and the French bow works better for players with short arms. I would think body proportion play a significant role in bow grip choice.
+εξαισιος παρλαπιτας No because then you would have to use the French grip. It if it were easy, it wouldn't be German! Anyone who speaks German and French knows what I mean. Learning Latin and Attic Greek, at least for me, was child's play compared to declining the German adjective! My son chose the German bow because he didn't want his family to disown him.
viola uses french bows which are slightly heavier than violin once, although many play with heavy violin bows. I_'m sure 500 years ago german bows existed for chello/violin etc. but they were clearly inferior to the french bow and have since then been phased out.
The tone difference is so vastly night and day it's astonishing. The German bow is much deeper, richer, and more sonorous. The French bow is more thin, nasal and has much more treble. I can absolutely understand why German orchestras refuse to even consider French bows.
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But what if i play a german bow... with a french grip?!?!?!?! MIND BLOWING!!!!! I have both bows but i prefer the french, though i am german... so please don´t tell anyone.
That's what I do, a modified french grip with a german bow. The larger frog is a great place to anchor the thumb, providing lots of control over the bow.
German bow grip is more suitable for such a huge instrument. The French grip seems weak.
*cries in croissant*
Very reasoned and articulated lesson. I here as a beginning cellist finding the 'french' bow very tiring on the hand. I have been know to 'change up' to a more German hold on the bow; it is much easier on the hand! I won't be playing internationally any time soon, so I think I'm safe
Exactly the same for me! I take a German bass bow for my cello now for this reason.
Huge thanks for that. Best demonstration of the differences, especially the issue of the German bow on the E string...the main problem I’m experiencing atm with changing from the French bow on which, as you say, is not a problem. Thanks again. Very clear demonstration.
I've heard Dave play and he is legit.. Great video and description. Hope you're well, Dave! :)
I found your explanation very interesting and delightfully easy to follow.
Thank you. Alex Richardson. Australia
You get your description of the Streicher grip a bit wrong:
It is only the first finger that rests on the top of the stick and provides weight, the tip of the second finger rests on the side of the stick and keeps the it level.
String crossing is also quite different, the pinky finger adjust the attitude of the frog from flat on the bottom strings to angled on the top.
Complex string changes can be easily achieved with this technique.
Thanks so much for pointing out the inaccuracy in this video. My time playing in Europe was mainly in Germany; the only experience I had with the Streicher technique was observing other players at orchestra auditions and seeing the Vienna Philharmonic.
two of my teachers are students of Streicher, and what I've learned is put first finger on the top of the frog. It sounds kind of weak.. One day my college told me that he put two finger on the top now because people in orchestra do that, and that is strong. So I played with this technique for a while. It dose sound louder, but it makes the bow goes diagonal (frog up tip down) some how. Any way.. I don't think it fit me the best, even with one finger. I'm going to try the german bow hold now..btw, does somebody knows any books for right hand technique??
th-cam.com/video/zGo8VKPE3Qo/w-d-xo.html
Turn the video speed down to lowest, and observe at 49 seconds.....best way to get to what He taught is to see how he played?
Nope not wrong at all, I studied with Streicher in Spain and he would switch back and forth with one or two fingers on the stick. He played his solo concerts with one finger on the stick but in orchestra he would switch depending on the occasion. And many of his students played with both fingers all the time.
Very good explanation. Easy to understand. Thanks!
Now we wait for videos of Mr. Bass explaining about horn as a response for this video.
Won't it be mindblowing??
+Adrie Pramudya It is String Magazine though lol :p
I've always sat with my bass really tilted in like that because it was comfortable (and I started with French bow). Just makes everything easy for me.
thank you for the comparisons! i was looking for something like this while researching about Togaman GuitarViol bowing options.
Great video, thanks. I started with a French bow because it came with the bass. But I might be doing it wrong because it puts a lot of pressure on my first finger. So I got a German bow, but found the same problem as described in the video -- it's tougher to play the E string, especially because I stand next to the bass rather than behind it. So now I'm back to French bowing and trying to figure out how to hold it so that it doesn't put too much stress on the first finger.
Thanks for the informative video. It's a helpful introduction for the novice.
Thanks, very informative. I have read that the German bow works better for players with long arms and the French bow works better for players with short arms. I would think body proportion play a significant role in bow grip choice.
Thanks a lot,this is really great!!!
Outstanding video!! Thank you!
Very informative.
Great boss sound.
David Horn with the Cello, Michael Cello with the Horn
yeah they should switch
thank you - very interesting
is it true that if you want to play or study in Germany or Austria you must only use the German bow??
So if we see the advantages and disadvantages of each one, french bow technique outnumbers the german bow technique...
Am I right?
Yes but how about the English archer?
+εξαισιος παρλαπιτας No because then you would have to use the French grip. It if it were easy, it wouldn't be German! Anyone who speaks German and French knows what I mean. Learning Latin and Attic Greek, at least for me, was child's play compared to declining the German adjective! My son chose the German bow because he didn't want his family to disown him.
Yeah, but it’s French...
I use German bow because using the French bow, I squeeze very hard without even knowing so it hurts my hand.
I think the German bow grip looks cooler.
and also the viola
viola uses french bows which are slightly heavier than violin once, although many play with heavy violin bows. I_'m sure 500 years ago german bows existed for chello/violin etc. but they were clearly inferior to the french bow and have since then been phased out.
i prefer the french one
He's cute. :)
The tone difference is so vastly night and day it's astonishing.
The German bow is much deeper, richer, and more sonorous. The French bow is more thin, nasal and has much more treble.
I can absolutely understand why German orchestras refuse to even consider French bows.