Completely agree on LGA775. Personally I’ve kept one on hand now purely with Vista installed. There is only 1/2 fps between 2k,XP, and Vista when benchmarking and sometimes vista works better, it pains me to say it. As XP is usually my go to. But having a completely overkill system running a semi modern OS which is very compatible with older titles, programs, and drivers, well it speeds things up a lot.
My expectation would be for newer OSes to have an edge with newer parts and older OSes to have an edge with older parts. People talk a lot about system bloat, but I think driver validation has a bigger effect. That is, whatever is the dominant system at the time of hardware and driver release is going to get highest priority. This is kind of hard to test in Windows due to the platform using DirectX to force generational upgrades. 9.0 is the closest thing to a common platform.
Totally agree. I keep a Q9550 on a P5Q Pro with 8 GB DDR2 and a RX 570 as a fast Windows 7 PC - perfect for Anno 1404 or Skyrim maxed out :-D and it's a nice memento for the PC I actually had when I've went to university :-)
@@fattomandeibu I quite like Vista. It had a rough launch, but honestly, so did XP. Everyone conveniently likes to forget XP RTM. 7 Was only so good because it's not very far from patched Vista. 8.0 and 10 releases were rough too. Vista gets hate but its nothing new. I think Vista is the best looking windows OS to-date.
Nice! Be aware that LGA 775 (and Socket 754, 939 and AM2), while out of the "capacitor plague" era, can still be affected by bad batches of Nippon Chemi-Con, Ost and Toshin Kogyo (TK) capacitors.
On the flip-side, LGA775 also spans into the "overcompensation era", where board manufacturers would make motherboards over-engineered for reliability. Those are the ones that boast things like "Japanese" or "Solid-state" capacitors, excessive use of heatpipes on the VRM and chipsets, and extra-thick copper ground planes. They were clearly trying to restore confidence in their products for a few years after the capacitor plague.
@@UserUser-zc6fx This capacitor issues are different. Old Athlon and Pentium 2/3 mainboards had capacitors which failed during normal calculated lifetime (1-2 years after production. You might see defective/blown up capacitors on Socket775 boards that only failed after 5-10 years. And this is expected behaviour and had nothing to do with "capacitor plague" around 1999-2007. source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
For the 10 year anniversary of Windows XP going out of support I built a Core i7-3770 system with 16GB of ram and a GTX 780 Ti. Now I lay in wait for it to become officially retro 😁
@@shihanafridhi9517 Last does not mean best. The 960 is around 40% of the power of a 780 Ti. Technically the i7-4790 is the best Windows XP cpu as well but finding properly compatible motherboards isn't as easy as it is for the Sandy Bridge. And if you wanna dabble a bit in technically unsupported but still workable stuff you can go with a 980 Ti by modifying the 960 drivers.
This is already retro, so you don't have to wait any longer. As mentioned, you could even use a 980 Ti as your graphics card. With my XP, Vista, W7, W8.1, W10 retro system, I play everything from Unreal (1998) to Cyberpunk 2077 with my 2600K CPU @4.5 GHz.
I've got what I think is the best 775 route, a 865 chipset board with AGP. I have a Celeron 440 in it (2GHz single core Conroe), a 6600GT and nice Yamaha sound card; works for pretty much all 98 and XP games.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset too, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
So happy that I am on the boat for a while already. Apart from my 486, Pentium 1 MMX and Pentium 3 I really enjoy my Socket 775 with Core2Duo E8600. Runs XP as a champ with all the time correct games I like most 💪. Thanks for years of your good advice on all of these systems!
I took the old pc from my father when he switched to apple 6 years ago. But it's a different Sockel with an athlon X4. Have geek xp on it. But such an e8000 something I also have. But I switched the CPU to an q6600 i had. But on this one is windows 10. Still don't know what exactly I want to do with it.
The mileage you can get out of LGA 775 is insane. being suitable for early 90's DOS stuff all the way up to now as a low end desktop is just incredible. I do have a few old hard drives laying around so I'll probably make a 775 build with DOS on one drive and Linux on the other.
I mean, I've had one with an RX 6600 XT. I was cpu bottlenecked even with the xeon x3470 overclocked, but this socket will do ray tracing as well. not well, but it's playable.
Here in my country 775 platform with DDR3 RAM is an entry level for normal use computer. They sell complete machines for around 50 USD. The most popular ones are 5th generation intel corporative machines like lenovo thinkcentre for around 100 USD. Thanks for your videos! Greetings from Colombia
Well, I bet a bunch of people are in for a rude awakening when they try to upgrade Windows 11 on a C2Q in the coming weeks. 24H2 won't run on anything older than Haswell. Just get nothing but BSODs if you try. I suspect that if you're running 11 on an unsupported system, you'll get the update and it will basically brick your PC if it is older than Haswell.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
LGA775 has been well known for building XP systems since it is a good flexible platform. Very common. I also like AM2-AM3+ for many of the same reasons. Wide variety of available CPUs, video cards and sound cards. Also lot of legacy support carried forward to this point.
Questionable. Alot of gpus are failing cause of pre-2009 era nvidia troubles. Or cause just being a >2003 bga cards running userviced for many years (anything from ROHS era has a lead-free soldering). Some AM2 suffers with chipsets issue for the same reason. AMD precessors are less effective to process 32 bit code (compared to how they process 64 bit code and you probably don't need XP 64 bit) and XP barely benefits from multi-core. Literally any task that requires multi-core CPU or benefits from it, can be excecuted in Windows 7 or higher. Sound cards? Not to many 775 PCs had em. Some games benefits from PCI sound blasters but it's more related to 478 era.
AM2+ is dirt cheap, I got a decent micro atx Asus board with an Nvidia chipset and a Phenom II X3 for 20$. A bit of oc and it makes for a really fast XP system for next to nothing. Anything AGP is getting overpriced now.
@@dmwzr Depends, sure. Athlon64, X2, Core2, etc can all run 32bit code just fine. A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so. XP (32 or 64 bit) can utilize multiple cores to a point, certainly anywhere between 1 and 4 cores. Sound cards still matter since onboard audio hadn't started getting really good by that point and didn't have support for EAX if you had a game that leveraged it. SoundBlasters would support EAX and provide for a better overall sound experience over onboard, particularly if the onboard audio wasn't well isolated from interference. As far as GPUs, if you care about period correctness, yea, some of those era cards may not currently be viable/stable/available. If you don't care so much about period correctness, there's plenty of CPU and GPU options that, while not period correct, still got XP driver support even if they'd be overkill and underutilized by XP. Just opens up more options vs increasingly scarce SS7-S478 era hardware.
@@thegreatboto XP can utilize multiple cores and even more that 4, but applications that benefits from this, can be executed in slightly newer environment. Sound cards are not essential to have EAX. In 775 era when Vista hit the market the only thing you needed to have EAX 4.0 were just OpenAL installed. Integrated audio were worse, but most of the games had 16 bit sound (most likely compressed) and won't benefit much. It can be an addition (just like for a modern PC) but it's not that crucial anymore for 775. And yeah you have a point. You can grab some GT710 and you gonna be good to go, that makes sense. I'm just not sure if we can count this as cheap retro parts. Surely 775 is more versatile cause always can utilize sata and pci-e drives. But if we go so far, why it's 775, not 1366 or 1156. Both usually can run 7/Vista/XP. >A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so Were also cheaper and produced slightly less heat, yes. I still have Athlon 3000+ with Biostar Geforce 6100 mobo. No north bridge, cool and quite. And there is alot of this CPUs around. Sadly enough 754 / 939 platforms requires nForce chipset mobos for best performance which will initially fail.
Currently using a GA-EP45T-UD3LR with a Q9650 and 8GB DDR3 1333MHz. Extremely stable and reliable, almost zero issues except some PCIE dramas but I only use it for testing stuff and data recovery. Honestly, there's no better choice for legacy yet performing platforms
I have my dad's ol XPS 420 upgraded to q9650 and 8gb ddr2 and a GTX 960 for driver reasons, I have it triple boot system XP,7,10 soon 11 just for lols, and I found a old office PC with a Pen D upgraded that to q6600 and 4gb ram wanna get a high end 2006 GPU for the system so I got my main lga 775 system and a backup and the backup I had to use a floppy to update the bios lol and didn't corrupt the bios the XPS has an SSD
I already got mine up and running :) Gigabyte EX38+Q9550+EVGA GTX 285 2GB / GTS 250 PhysX card with Xfi Titanium sound card. Built it before things go up.
If you are going to build a 775 system, be wary of old Asus 775 boards, namely P5 series. They have an issue with Chassis Intrusion detection, which can't be disabled through BIOS. I've recently built a system on P5K-E/WIFI-AP and this issue blocks you from booting a system. I had to locate and remove a transistor off the board to fix it.
I have been picking a few from this era for this exact reason. The "retro" window keeps moving and what was retro is now antique and the older slower computers are now retro.
Big fan of LGA775, it is just so flexible. Previously used my Q9650 with Linux Mint for HTPC, it's now been upgraded to a WinXP retro machine. It's that perfect crossover point between retro and modern, where you have older ports and OS support, but bios support for nice-to-have features like SATA and PCIe
After trying to revive my old Socket A from high school, I went with 775, and aside from video drivers being a bit messy given my setup, it's been a worthy retro platform to work with. I'll thank Phil for that.
Platform by platform, decade by decade, each will come into its own as each generation wants to relive those golden days and maybe build that super rig they couldn't afford at the time. We all go through it. Waves of nostalgia. Your channel has definitely been a big boon for retro and the nostalgia it brings and I thank you for that.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Windows 11 compatible with LGA 775. Windows 11 now requires the POPCNT instruction, which is not available on any LGA 775 CPUs as far as I'm aware. Although older versions of 11 will work, 24H2 and up won't.
I mistakenly grabbed a 24H2 USB the other day and installed it on a 3rd gen system. BSOD city. MS announced a couple months ago that 24H2 will only work on systems with AVX2 support. As for the TPM thing, they don't really seem too bothered by it. People who are running 23H2 on pre-haswell hardware are going to be in for a real surprise if they haven't heard about the AVX2 requirement for 24H2. It is already RTM and just a matter of time before the update pops up and installs. And then they have a bricked PC. There is really no way to recover it unless you install another OS.
I still have a desktop with Xeon LGA771 in LGA775 that is used daily. Completely fine as a desktop/Office apps machine. You just need SSD and you're good. Funny seeing it being retro now :D
While not my top favorite legacy socket, I can see the utility of LGA775 as a retro platform as time goes on. In all my experiences of owning and using computers, that platform has had the most mileage of any I've used to date. Maybe some years in the future, the same could be said of AM4.
LGA 1155 is also great for a 32bit WinXP build. I used a 3ghz cpu and a GTX 980 Ti (probably about the last gpu released with official winxp support). Works amazingly well and has fantastic support for early 2000's era games. Also has enough juice to crank up the graphics in the nvidia control panel.
i have i5 2500K with XP x64 and it works perfectly, so not only 32 bit... no compatibility issues with games newer than year 2000. I think if you don't need to run 16-bit software, you should stick with x64 edition. It opens you way to use more than 3.25 GB of memory, very useful with "modern" activities like browsing a web with Supermium, which is doable similar to modern Win11 build. Or go with dualbooting like me, I have XP x86 on second partition only for DOS games :D
@@tennickjestzajety69 I just use my main pc for anything 64 bit, but yeah I know what you're saying ;) 64bit cpu's didn't really start hitting mainstream until around 2003, so a lot of games from around that time still weren't compatible yet. Honestly don't even notice the lack of memory with games from that era. 4gb was usually the max supported by mainboards around that time anyway.
@@tennickjestzajety69 nice,i have i7 2700k oc 5.1ghz ,windows xp works great although i use it for work only because the company software only works on windows xp.
@PhilsComputerLab there is one thing for forgot to Mention or might not be aware of it which is that the LGA 775 also supports 771 CPUs when you do a small modification to the Socket and apply a Sticker to the CPU that swaps 2 Pins on the LGA 771 CPU. The 771 Xeon CPUs are extremely fast an much cheaper than the Qore2Quad equivalent. I've done this with my Asus P5Q-Deluxe and the performance was amazing. Of course you also have to add the Microcodes to the BIOS but that's pretty easy .
the other day i found a working asrock 775vm800 on a dumpster computer and it was pretty shocking how a low end board is now worth a premium due to the AGP slot
The Samsung 950 Pro is the only NVME SSD that has a build in bootrom so that it can boot on any system that doesn't support it natively like any socket 775
Im happy anytime someone finds use for older computer parts. I personally like sandy bridge for windows XP only because I feel like the intel 2600k was one of their best CPU ever made. I used that PC for almost 10 years, and it went through 5 video card upgrades 460,570,670,970 and a 1080 and on top of that It had XP, 7 and Windows 10 before I finally upgraded the whole pc. Unheard of back in the day.
@@philscomputerlab I used to have a bunch of 3570S CPUs and Lenovo IH61M boards. I used them to build GPU mining rigs during the last boom and the CPUs were profitable for mining Monero at the same time. I still have a couple of the CPUs but not sure if I have any boards left. I may still have a Gigabyte H61M-DS2H somewhere. But it is really overkill for XP gaming. However, I do have a couple of the Lenovo mini MBs....could be interesting for a compact XP rig, running off the HD graphics, which is plenty of GPU power for most XP gaming. It will run Crysis, just not spectacularly well like an R7 250 will. I found a couple of 2GB DDR3 SODIMMS the other day so maybe I'll check it out sometime soon...I could make a case from some scrap aluminum sheet I have if I can find it. Or maybe I'll just duct tape it to the back of an old monitor, lol. Retro AIO, wasteland edition.
Interesting as I tend to ignore LGA775 other than the ones which also have AGP (especially core 2 + AGP). I see a lot of 775 machines every week at the flea market but I am also finding a lot of old retro PCs from 486 to Pentium 1,2,3 and of course P4 478. Even the occasioanl 286 or 386. If you have seen any of my weekly car boot retro hauls you will know I have no problem finding a regular supply of retro PCs for 20 euros or less... do you think this is an issue that depends mainly on your location? oh a question for you Phil as no one seems to know what the answer is. If Slot 1 are Pentium 2 and 3, Socket 7 are Pentium 1.... what are the Pentiums that came out before that called, I had one back in the day a P66 and it fit in a much larger socket. I've never found one of that type since collecting retro PC hardware for the last 6 years or more. BTW it was you who got me into retro PC lol
Nice flex, being able to get parts so cheap, unlike most of us 😂The first Pentiums are also called Pentium, but the socket is a bit different. they used socket 4.
12:12 I'm actually doing something similar on an X58 based mixed use Win 10/Win XP rig. Works reasonably well. The riser card I use has both an NVME slot and a M.2 SATA slot, so it saves me some cable management annoyance.
The X3380 is the king of LGA775 CPUs (Core 2 Quad Extreme excepted), especially if you can do a FSB OC. It also has 12MB cache. The 3230 is the best LGA 775 CPU you can tape mod. It will run at 3.33 GHz and be more powerful than any other LGA775 CPU running at stock speed. But all of the above are pricey. I just ordered a QX6700 for $15. I have a high end LGA775 board. Should be able to get it to about 4GHz on air, if the silicon is good enough. I want to see if I can beat an i5-2300. Will definitely blow the doors off a Nehalem i5. Would probably need LN2 to get it to match a 2500K but sounds like a great (and cheap) way to try extreme overclocking. I run my X6800 at 4.5GHz on air. Could probably hit 5GHz with a modern high end AIO. In my experience, all Core 2 Quad CPUs will perform the same at a given clock speed. A Q6600 runs like a Q9650 if you tape mod it.
A lot of my retro PC collection is from me not getting rid of the parts when I replaced them, and at the time I didn't have the budget to get a LGA775 system. I had a Socket AM2+ motherboard with a Phenom II X4 940 and 8 GB of RAM, which I gave to my dad until I handed down my Ivy Bridge system to him. That Phenom II is about equivalent to an overclocked Q6600, and I managed to find a Radeon 5870 to pair with it for a Windows Vista machine!
Socket AM2+ is amazing on Vista! I have a couple of phenoms all running at 3.6 to 4ghz and they beat the crap out of my q6600 which i could only get up to 3ghz on my 680i sli. Even the E8400 at 4ghz I have in it now on windows 7 feels less responsive
Well, Windows 11 support will end with version 24H2 due to C2D CPUs lacking the POPCNT instruction but apart from that those boards are amazingly versatile
Also still have a motherboard with an installed Core 2 Duo E8400 and a REAL Intel motherboard with the P67 chipset and a BUILD-IN Intel Graphics accelerator on board. Uses an Intel GMA 950 Graphics accelerator faster then any virge DX card. Happy i did not throw away this beauty! I can install a graphics card but not needed, it plays doom and all old games perfectly! It features 4 pixel shaders and 1 vertex shader 4 texture mapping units, and 1 ROP. The GPU is operating at a frequency of 250 MHz, which can be boosted up to 400 MHz. Its power draw is rated at 7 W maximum. Thanks for this video!
5 years ago i got an Asus P5W DH Deluxe and it runs Pentium 4 all the way to core 2 quad. Currently it has a Q6600 and 4GB of DDR2. Paired it with a HD5850. It only cost 5 dollars for the board, an E6600 and cooler. The board comes out of 2006, but supports on board WiFi and other fancy features for the time like crossfire support.
Oh yeah it is! I think I already posted this under one of your early videos from years ago, but I was able to build a sweet retro PC out of the first revision of Intel-produced 775 motherboards and the first Pentium 4 supported on that platform. Couple that with a GeForce 6800-equivalent PCI-E Quadro card that use a hacked driver for Windows 98 and it's a beast of a Win 98 PC.
Glad I found my 775 motherboard during the pandemic. Searched for one year to score a ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.00. Such an awesome board. Love the support for quad core, AGP 8x, PCIe, DDR2, IDE and Sata-II. Ultimate compatibility for my needs.
What amazing timing! i have one 775 board already, but a few popped up on my local trade site, and for $12 each with ram and CPU i couldnt say no, so i got all of them! including the very board Phil is holding up. I recognised the board immediately.
I have been having problems making a retro computer with two different operating systems, in this case it would be Windows 98 or Me and then XP. The problem is that after a few boots on Windows XP, the disk with the older Windows has corrupted files! The file names have strange characters even in the shortcuts and ScanDisk cannot resolve them. Even using one disk for each operating system, the problem persists always after a while. For me it's important to have Windows 98 and Windows XP on the same computer. The Xp also allows you to view many websites on the internet and make use of a Wireless Pci network card, as well as installing most GOG games. It would be important if you could make a video showing how to make a retro multiboot computer and how to solve or prevent one operating system from harming one disk or another, if you can.
A few weeks ago I built a system with a very similar board - the Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L using ~2008 parts. It's been great so far for WinXP with the exception of the Dell OEM PCIE Physx card I wanted to use, which I couldn't get working. I'm using the machine for a playthrough of Curse The Eye of Isis right now, but I'm sure it can handle something more modern.
You don’t necessarily need 775. Most 1st-4th gen boards support native XP with benefits of being able to install any modern linux/windows OS incl. Win 11. They are great to multi boot anything XP through 11 natively along with linux 😊
I have a Intel D975XBX2KR motherboard in my collection. Seemed a good choice at the time because it has peripheral wise the old (floppy, ide, etc) and modern pci-e and sata. Good video as usual, thanks
Yep. I have a cpuple already, needed good CPU, sound blaster and a parallel port so managed to buy a couple of these new old stock about 4 years ago. Awesome.
I already got some Socket775 platforms beside Socket7 and SocketA for retro PC purposes. As you already mentioned its the flexibility and wide spectrum which gets supported (PCI, AGP and PCIe for cards and USB, P-ATA and S-ATA ports for periphericals) and as OS you can go with DOS, Windows9x to XP and even Win7/8/10. And the availability and price to performance ratio is great.
I've been thinking of building an LGA 775 with an E8400 WinXP machine. I have very fond memories of that platform both just gaming but also overclocking. Getting an E8400 to 4Ghz on air was great.
You can also find AGP LGA775 boards. With something like a Pentium D 950, you can have a stonking setup. If you can find a PT880 Chipset board, you can have AGP and PCI Express at the same time! I would add though, I've seen plenty of bad caps on LGA775 boards.
I like how Phil’s video help late comers build their retro computers with reasonable prices. Phil is good at sharing how these not-too-old computers can be “retrofitted” (pun intended) to behave like a retro pc.
There are many very odd S775 boards out there. ASRock P45 TurboTwins 2000 for example. With a slotted PCB to switch between SLI and XFire support. XD You can even mount a netburst based Pentium D in there, for the P4 nostalgia. The Core2Xtreme CPUs were massively overpriced even over 5 years ago, the Yorkfield based Q96xx oder Q95xx do just fine, for a third/quarter of the price. Got lucky last month with two socket 775 machines for 5€ each in the local ads. Low End ones, but in nice cases. And working, after more than 10 years in storage!
12:15 Boot from NVME possible after modding bios or projects like Clover. But IMO its not needed at all (if using x1, we have lower speed than sata, using x16 just wasteful).
Certain parts like the Samsung 950 PRO contain a boot ROM. I've booted from a PCIe card with one of these on an X79 platform. LGA 775 is older and most boards are PCIe 1.0, so I'm not sure if it works the same.
A sata SSD is extremely fast for XP era stuff anyhow, idk why you would need anything faster. For 98 and older even just a modern 7200 rpm HDD is probably going to speed through stuff
I don't plan to use this with DOS, although P31 does probably have that kind of backwards reach, but I would really stack it up to the max with that chipset including community patches that get 4GBs of RAM to work on Windows 98SE. I don't know if we got multi-core support somewhere before Windows XP, but that would be interesting. Get a high enough OpenGL support in a graphics card, you might run some of these modern source ports for some games like Quake. Which I've been quite interested in.
0:40 gonna stop you right there mister, the early 775 chipsets, so the Pentium 4 type of 775, did have windows 9x support, or at least a couple of them did. I feel like you're talking about 775 in a Core 2 kinda way when there's like two very different yet exactly the same gens of 775. And then there's outliers like the nForce 7 series that supported ALL of the 775 chips, from the Celeron D to the Core 2 Quad
I've always been a big fan of socket 775 and socket 939 as they can both be made to work perfectly be well in Windows 98 and later. I do think I prefer the AGP versions of both sockets, but have been successful with the PCIE versions for the most part. I also think they both allow the use of the former highly undesirable processors like the Pentium 4 and single core socket 939. Flexible and cheap. Glad you made this video, as I'm well stocked already and won't be competing on purchases, lol. Great job!
A very interesting subject! It struck me how prices had already started to increase when I started collecting high-end and exotic S775, AM2/AM3 motherboard 4-5 years ago
775 is one of my favorites. So many options. My Gigabyte G41 Combo offers DDR2 and DDR3 support, PCIex16 and classic PCI, SATA, Floppy and IDE. And the best of all, it always just works.
Good to know, how good G41 actually is. I've always been a bit sniffy regarding that chipset - it seemed like a low end OEM Option and so I never bothered to try it. Maybe I should change that! 🙂
@@moezarella1261 I use a Gigabyte G41M Combo MATX board that supports DDR2 and DDR3 (2 dimms of each type for a max of 8GB). PCIE16, PCIE1, 2x classic PCI, SATA, IDE, Floppy, USB,... together with an E8500 and GeForce 9800GT works fantastic under Windows XP.
Some LGA 775 boards have very good backward compatibility. It is possible to run Windows 98 on it, but the options for a graphics card are limited to ma. Geforce 7xxx or Radeon 1300. Most sound chipsets and networking drivers do not work under win98. But XP/2k works also very fast on this platform, and it is possible to use dosbox for older speed sensible dos programms. I have used a LGA 775 PC with Winxp only, Core2Duo E8600, 128 GB SDD, and Geforce 560 for years as an ultimate retro pc. Old Windows software runs fine, and a lot of dos games too. The price of this build was under 50€...
I have a nice lga 775 runs a q9550 and ddr3 8gb ram. That computer has fdd controller and floppy drive. Along with burner and card reader. Dual booting both xp and windows 10. I use it as a easy gateway between new and old. Even managed to get real 3dfx voodoo 2 cards running under 64bit windows 10 along with PAE under xp 32bit. I also have a massive amount of storage for the time in that box mainly use it for driver storage and archiving. Along with disk image files from my older computers incase I need to roll back. Also super nice to easily go on a website download a image and write a floppy or cdrom within seconds rather then doing it in stages :)
Socket 775 is a great in between platform for a huge range of Os's. (I've still got my P45 chipset with Intel E8600/4 gigs of ram/ 8800 GTS 320) Another chipset I'm fond with is my Asus Premium SLI 939 with an AMD FX 60/Opteron. Gaming is a blast on original vintage hardware and OS. Thanks PhilsComputerLab for mentioning these hidden retro platforms.
absolutely! i'm finishing mine now, it has an Asus P5QL-E (P43 chipset, would've liked P45 but this board has very neat stuff!), 8GB DDR2, Q9550 @ 3.56GHz, 120mm AIO, still waiting for a GPU, for now, using a 750Ti while I don't have something proper
i built an XP machine using the 775 since that was what i had back in the day. really cheap to make something stupidly overpowered thanks to the Core2Duo and i was surprised that i could get actual DOS games working on it! Recently started dual booting Win 7 for better compat with some of the later games and this video has convinced me to pick up a Core 2 Extreme lol
I’ve been collecting motherboards for about 10 years now, and I am glad I held onto a lot of the 775 boards. I got them supper cheap ($10-$15) when nobody wanted them. Now I see the going rate is about $25 and on up including shipping. Funny how what people thought was garbage a few years ago is now sought after and valued.
Very cool. I like the promise of that SBEMU project. I got it working on my Socket 370 rig with Intel HD audio on board, but I frequently get JemmEx crashes just a few minutes into playing. Perhaps a real PCI SB would work better with SBEMU!
Found my original LGA775 intel D915 boards and it popped a resister right off the board on boot. Grabbed a second hand board with core duo 2 for $30. Great for XP. Yet to setup 98se but I can now play Swat 2 again.
Might have been nice to mention a couple of prominent games which wont work (e.g. missing ISA Soundcard, or graphics card). Also what would have been interesting are 5 1/4 floppy drives. Platform could be a good option to have 5 1/4 floppy working on Win10 or so. That is if the port and BIOS can handle it.
Having just gotten back into desktops again after years of laptops, I dug out my box of spare parts and realized I still have four LGA 775 motherboards in the house, DDR2 and DDR3, and like eight different CPUs. The configurability of this platform is really amazing, I think maybe AMD's modern AM4 platform comes close. I decided to run an E6300 underclocked to 1.2Ghz with 4GB of DDR2 memory and a 9600GT, which is overkill for old retro games, but it also allows me to dual boot into Windows 7 for 64-bit support. At first I chose a P4 630 Prescott, but then switched to the E6300 as I can run it this low and get equivalent performance at much lower heat and power consumption. And it's comparable to a dual P3s Tualitin too, I think :)
Waaaaay ahead of you. April 2021 I found a Pentium 4 HT Sony Vaio desktop while thrifting and turned it into a XP retro gaming machine with some help from parts saved from my dead Pentium D desktop. radeon HD 3600 graphics card and SB Audigy SE, oh and two more gb of ram for a total of 3gb. Though time has taken it's toll on the old 500gb Seagate drive the bearing noise is getting a bit much...
I always go for ASUS LGA 775 boards with 1333Mhz FSB, that way I can get a modded bios to support quad core Xeons which are WAY more cheaper than non-server quad cores. These CPUs paired with an SDD still run Windows 10 very well. Both my daily machine and my retro XP/7 machine are LGA 775.
Yeah I have thought about getting a matching pair of GeForce 9800 cards and a Socket 775 board to run them. Not really fancying it now, but maybe in 5 years time? I had a S775 system as my first PC I bought with my own money, which kinda repells me from the platform though, I'm always more interested in "new-to-me" stuff.
LGA775 CPUs don't have POPCNT instruction so they won't support 24H2 or higher tho. Technically AM2 would be a better choice but I can't find a motherboard that supports it as largely as Intel's side. So yeah I'll stick with the LGA1155 with some patches from Loew, BearWindows and BlackWingCat
I have an old Core 2 Quad that I've been meaning to slap XP back on. I don't think I'd bother running 98 or DOS on it, though. Getting an actual ISA sound card working in DOS is enough of a PITA, and Win98 tends to get very unstable with motherboards made after it went out of support.
In 2008 I bought an E8600 with a 775 motherboard with an nforce 750i chipset and I was able to boot the E8600 at 5ghz (not stable though) and run it at 4.8ghz 24/7. It's amazing how speeds haven't increased much in 15 years but the difference IPC makes is massive. I still have a few q6600 cpus laying around but no boards currently. 775 was a beast.
I have a killer 775 rig stored away. 98, XP and MX Linux themed to look like Win2000 to keep steam working. I have 6 graphics cards and 6 CPU's, 3 sets of Ram and several WD raptor drives. Its in a modded fractal case with wrap to look period. Raptors make nice noise. Hotswap bays, Soundblaster 7.1, Zalman flower cooler, all black pcb mainboard ram graphics. What I'm missing is a nice 21" CRT.
I am currently using a Wolfdale C2D running as my file server. I’m retiring it soon, so I might use it in substitution of my i7-2600 board as my XP/classic gaming machine with a GTX 960 4GB. Otherwise, it’s a Dell Inspiron 630s with no purpose. Thoughts on future use, hive-mind?
I had Asus P5E back in the day, just picked up a P5E Delux with a Q9550 for £35 really wanted the P5E as I still gave the box for it but the delux will probably do. I have a couple of E8500 cpus so not sure for gaming the core 2 or the core quad will be better. Do you think pairing with a GTX 280 is appropriate?
I still have my Core2Duo system which I had custom built at a local PC shop in Feb 2007; used it through 2014, after which it went into storage. Around two years ago I pulled it out of storage and set it up again. It didn't even turn on, but it was just the PSU had gone bad, so replaced it, and the system fired right up perfectly in the same state it was the last time I had used it. I'm using a Ryzen 5 5600 system now as my main desktop PC, but like having my old system running as well. I guess I was a bit of ahead of the LGA 775 retro curve LOL
After getting that system running, I did some research and realized I had missed out on the later Core2Duo processors,. so bought the parts for a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 system with a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R mobo for my "max" LGA 775 PC.
A Core 2 Duo E8600 and a 8800 GTX are still great fun! I have quit a few high end SLI motherboards from that era and I’m planning to do a build with four 8800 GTX, just because I can and because that GPU still is very special to me. Almost as special as the ATI radeon 9800 XT, my first high end GPU ever! Unfortunately that era of hardware already got quite expensive. There are kids out there who grew up with that hardware and feel the nostalgia hitting, which means prices will go up soon.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
I suspect LGA775 is more widely available than AM2/AM2+. Would love to see a comparison between both options in terms of retro options especially as backward comparability mean that athlon ii and phenom ii were supported on some boards
It's common always use Intel as reference, but if 775 boards exists a lot, even more are AMD boards and they are cheaper than 775. So explore the possibilities, 775 boards are just a starting point to expand the options to go retro.
I am just finishing up an E8600 triple boot (XP/Vista/7) project this weekend, and it is definitely true that you get a ton of fun for your money on this platform! A trick I like to use is to go for the BTX form factor, as BTX cases are usually cheap compared to ATX, comes with a free kickass air cooler, and mine even came with a surprise motherboard installed that I ended up using. Just be aware that most BTX boards comes from business machines and does not support overclocking if that is something you are into.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
Well, I do still own my LGA775 machines so I guess I'm fully covered 😅 Jokes aside, I suspect the used market will get really weird because, let's be real, these machines are still very good for most daily tasks.
Plot twist: Phil has a large LGA 775 stash hidden in his basement, and he just wants to sell them for a big profit. :-))
So do I. Don't you?
Step 1: get LGA 775 Boards, Step 2: ---, Step 3: profit :-D couldn't resist
He also tried to hype slot 1 platforms some time ago.(„sought after in the community“) I wondered why. MB are sold below 5€ on eBay .
@@guidoneumann2509 Really? I must be blind, because they don't turn up in my searches :-( or you are really lucky to find them - then good for you :-)
I need to not watch this. I have too much retro gear. Good video though.
Completely agree on LGA775. Personally I’ve kept one on hand now purely with Vista installed.
There is only 1/2 fps between 2k,XP, and Vista when benchmarking and sometimes vista works better, it pains me to say it. As XP is usually my go to. But having a completely overkill system running a semi modern OS which is very compatible with older titles, programs, and drivers, well it speeds things up a lot.
My expectation would be for newer OSes to have an edge with newer parts and older OSes to have an edge with older parts. People talk a lot about system bloat, but I think driver validation has a bigger effect. That is, whatever is the dominant system at the time of hardware and driver release is going to get highest priority. This is kind of hard to test in Windows due to the platform using DirectX to force generational upgrades. 9.0 is the closest thing to a common platform.
As long as you've got 2 decent cores and a little more RAM than you'd need in XP SP2/3, Vista runs basically the same most of the time
Totally agree. I keep a Q9550 on a P5Q Pro with 8 GB DDR2 and a RX 570 as a fast Windows 7 PC - perfect for Anno 1404 or Skyrim maxed out :-D and it's a nice memento for the PC I actually had when I've went to university :-)
Vista really isn't much worse than 7 when patched. It was a horror show on release, though. Then again, the same could be said for XP.
@@fattomandeibu I quite like Vista. It had a rough launch, but honestly, so did XP. Everyone conveniently likes to forget XP RTM. 7 Was only so good because it's not very far from patched Vista. 8.0 and 10 releases were rough too. Vista gets hate but its nothing new. I think Vista is the best looking windows OS to-date.
Here watching Phil's Computer Lab videos before they double in price.
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I wipe my ass with 775 m/b's . You can find them everywhere .
Owwwwwwwwww
Not worth anything tbh, intel are kinda crap for online vunerabilities
From 10$ to 20$ is not so bad.
4th gen core i5 is already 40$ for complete pc.
Nice!
Be aware that LGA 775 (and Socket 754, 939 and AM2), while out of the "capacitor plague" era, can still be affected by bad batches of Nippon Chemi-Con, Ost and Toshin Kogyo (TK) capacitors.
On the flip-side, LGA775 also spans into the "overcompensation era", where board manufacturers would make motherboards over-engineered for reliability. Those are the ones that boast things like "Japanese" or "Solid-state" capacitors, excessive use of heatpipes on the VRM and chipsets, and extra-thick copper ground planes. They were clearly trying to restore confidence in their products for a few years after the capacitor plague.
Yeah earlier 775, 754, and 939 boards are definetly not safe from capacitor issues
@@UserUser-zc6fx This capacitor issues are different.
Old Athlon and Pentium 2/3 mainboards had capacitors which failed during normal calculated lifetime (1-2 years after production.
You might see defective/blown up capacitors on Socket775 boards that only failed after 5-10 years.
And this is expected behaviour and had nothing to do with "capacitor plague" around 1999-2007.
source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
5 of my 775 boards are needing recaps 💀
@@darthgrossmaul LGA 775 came out in 2004. Very much capacitor plague era
For the 10 year anniversary of Windows XP going out of support I built a Core i7-3770 system with 16GB of ram and a GTX 780 Ti. Now I lay in wait for it to become officially retro 😁
Upgrade it to a GTX 960, it's one of the last XP-compatible GPUs
@@shihanafridhi9517 Last does not mean best. The 960 is around 40% of the power of a 780 Ti. Technically the i7-4790 is the best Windows XP cpu as well but finding properly compatible motherboards isn't as easy as it is for the Sandy Bridge. And if you wanna dabble a bit in technically unsupported but still workable stuff you can go with a 980 Ti by modifying the 960 drivers.
This is already retro, so you don't have to wait any longer. As mentioned, you could even use a 980 Ti as your graphics card. With my XP, Vista, W7, W8.1, W10 retro system, I play everything from Unreal (1998) to Cyberpunk 2077 with my 2600K CPU @4.5 GHz.
@@shihanafridhi9517 GTX 580 was the final to have decent driver support for dx 5/6
@@juhani6307 Interesting information, do you know which radeons were the last to support dx5/6?
I've got what I think is the best 775 route, a 865 chipset board with AGP. I have a Celeron 440 in it (2GHz single core Conroe), a 6600GT and nice Yamaha sound card; works for pretty much all 98 and XP games.
Sounds great!
@@philscomputerlab I'm sure it was inspired by your videos!
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset too, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this
Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
So happy that I am on the boat for a while already. Apart from my 486, Pentium 1 MMX and Pentium 3 I really enjoy my Socket 775 with Core2Duo E8600. Runs XP as a champ with all the time correct games I like most 💪.
Thanks for years of your good advice on all of these systems!
I took the old pc from my father when he switched to apple 6 years ago. But it's a different Sockel with an athlon X4. Have geek xp on it.
But such an e8000 something I also have. But I switched the CPU to an q6600 i had. But on this one is windows 10. Still don't know what exactly I want to do with it.
The mileage you can get out of LGA 775 is insane. being suitable for early 90's DOS stuff all the way up to now as a low end desktop is just incredible. I do have a few old hard drives laying around so I'll probably make a 775 build with DOS on one drive and Linux on the other.
I mean, I've had one with an RX 6600 XT. I was cpu bottlenecked even with the xeon x3470 overclocked, but this socket will do ray tracing as well. not well, but it's playable.
Here in my country 775 platform with DDR3 RAM is an entry level for normal use computer. They sell complete machines for around 50 USD. The most popular ones are 5th generation intel corporative machines like lenovo thinkcentre for around 100 USD.
Thanks for your videos!
Greetings from Colombia
Prices are really close to what we get here in Brazil. I still daily an LGA775 PC at work
@@SummonerArthurthe feeling when you realize your day-to-day work PC is already considered as retro-category in the rest of the world.
Well, I bet a bunch of people are in for a rude awakening when they try to upgrade Windows 11 on a C2Q in the coming weeks. 24H2 won't run on anything older than Haswell. Just get nothing but BSODs if you try. I suspect that if you're running 11 on an unsupported system, you'll get the update and it will basically brick your PC if it is older than Haswell.
@@Lurch-Bot24h2 still runs on nehalem with bypass.
It's the popcnt issue, just like Apex legends.
Top tip: find a 775 board with AGP for better DOS and WIn98 support.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this
Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
LGA775 has been well known for building XP systems since it is a good flexible platform. Very common. I also like AM2-AM3+ for many of the same reasons. Wide variety of available CPUs, video cards and sound cards. Also lot of legacy support carried forward to this point.
Questionable. Alot of gpus are failing cause of pre-2009 era nvidia troubles. Or cause just being a >2003 bga cards running userviced for many years (anything from ROHS era has a lead-free soldering). Some AM2 suffers with chipsets issue for the same reason. AMD precessors are less effective to process 32 bit code (compared to how they process 64 bit code and you probably don't need XP 64 bit) and XP barely benefits from multi-core. Literally any task that requires multi-core CPU or benefits from it, can be excecuted in Windows 7 or higher. Sound cards? Not to many 775 PCs had em. Some games benefits from PCI sound blasters but it's more related to 478 era.
@@dmwzrlighten up a bit, go for a walk, breath some fresh air
AM2+ is dirt cheap, I got a decent micro atx Asus board with an Nvidia chipset and a Phenom II X3 for 20$. A bit of oc and it makes for a really fast XP system for next to nothing. Anything AGP is getting overpriced now.
@@dmwzr Depends, sure. Athlon64, X2, Core2, etc can all run 32bit code just fine. A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so. XP (32 or 64 bit) can utilize multiple cores to a point, certainly anywhere between 1 and 4 cores. Sound cards still matter since onboard audio hadn't started getting really good by that point and didn't have support for EAX if you had a game that leveraged it. SoundBlasters would support EAX and provide for a better overall sound experience over onboard, particularly if the onboard audio wasn't well isolated from interference. As far as GPUs, if you care about period correctness, yea, some of those era cards may not currently be viable/stable/available. If you don't care so much about period correctness, there's plenty of CPU and GPU options that, while not period correct, still got XP driver support even if they'd be overkill and underutilized by XP. Just opens up more options vs increasingly scarce SS7-S478 era hardware.
@@thegreatboto XP can utilize multiple cores and even more that 4, but applications that benefits from this, can be executed in slightly newer environment.
Sound cards are not essential to have EAX. In 775 era when Vista hit the market the only thing you needed to have EAX 4.0 were just OpenAL installed. Integrated audio were worse, but most of the games had 16 bit sound (most likely compressed) and won't benefit much. It can be an addition (just like for a modern PC) but it's not that crucial anymore for 775. And yeah you have a point. You can grab some GT710 and you gonna be good to go, that makes sense. I'm just not sure if we can count this as cheap retro parts. Surely 775 is more versatile cause always can utilize sata and pci-e drives. But if we go so far, why it's 775, not 1366 or 1156. Both usually can run 7/Vista/XP.
>A64s were outperforming Pentium 4s and using less power doing so
Were also cheaper and produced slightly less heat, yes. I still have Athlon 3000+ with Biostar Geforce 6100 mobo. No north bridge, cool and quite. And there is alot of this CPUs around. Sadly enough 754 / 939 platforms requires nForce chipset mobos for best performance which will initially fail.
Currently using a GA-EP45T-UD3LR with a Q9650 and 8GB DDR3 1333MHz. Extremely stable and reliable, almost zero issues except some PCIE dramas but I only use it for testing stuff and data recovery. Honestly, there's no better choice for legacy yet performing platforms
I have my dad's ol XPS 420 upgraded to q9650 and 8gb ddr2 and a GTX 960 for driver reasons, I have it triple boot system XP,7,10 soon 11 just for lols, and I found a old office PC with a Pen D upgraded that to q6600 and 4gb ram wanna get a high end 2006 GPU for the system so I got my main lga 775 system and a backup and the backup I had to use a floppy to update the bios lol and didn't corrupt the bios the XPS has an SSD
Awesome combo!
I already got mine up and running :) Gigabyte EX38+Q9550+EVGA GTX 285 2GB / GTS 250 PhysX card with Xfi Titanium sound card. Built it before things go up.
If you are going to build a 775 system, be wary of old Asus 775 boards, namely P5 series. They have an issue with Chassis Intrusion detection, which can't be disabled through BIOS. I've recently built a system on P5K-E/WIFI-AP and this issue blocks you from booting a system. I had to locate and remove a transistor off the board to fix it.
I have been picking a few from this era for this exact reason. The "retro" window keeps moving and what was retro is now antique and the older slower computers are now retro.
Smart
Big fan of LGA775, it is just so flexible. Previously used my Q9650 with Linux Mint for HTPC, it's now been upgraded to a WinXP retro machine. It's that perfect crossover point between retro and modern, where you have older ports and OS support, but bios support for nice-to-have features like SATA and PCIe
Fun fact, if you tape mod a Q6600, it performs just like a Q9650.
After trying to revive my old Socket A from high school, I went with 775, and aside from video drivers being a bit messy given my setup, it's been a worthy retro platform to work with. I'll thank Phil for that.
Platform by platform, decade by decade, each will come into its own as each generation wants to relive those golden days and maybe build that super rig they couldn't afford at the time. We all go through it. Waves of nostalgia. Your channel has definitely been a big boon for retro and the nostalgia it brings and I thank you for that.
I think it's a bit of a stretch to call Windows 11 compatible with LGA 775. Windows 11 now requires the POPCNT instruction, which is not available on any LGA 775 CPUs as far as I'm aware. Although older versions of 11 will work, 24H2 and up won't.
I wasn't aware if this! I used Rufus to create the boot USB and it just worked, so was pleasantly surprised 😮
@@philscomputerlab For games, it does not matter at all.
need a supported PC, or just run games !
I mistakenly grabbed a 24H2 USB the other day and installed it on a 3rd gen system. BSOD city. MS announced a couple months ago that 24H2 will only work on systems with AVX2 support. As for the TPM thing, they don't really seem too bothered by it.
People who are running 23H2 on pre-haswell hardware are going to be in for a real surprise if they haven't heard about the AVX2 requirement for 24H2. It is already RTM and just a matter of time before the update pops up and installs. And then they have a bricked PC. There is really no way to recover it unless you install another OS.
@@Lurch-Bot Not AVX2 but popcnt and sse4.2, so any core i will work. AVX2 isn't even supported on Pentiums from 2020
I still have a desktop with Xeon LGA771 in LGA775 that is used daily. Completely fine as a desktop/Office apps machine. You just need SSD and you're good. Funny seeing it being retro now :D
While not my top favorite legacy socket, I can see the utility of LGA775 as a retro platform as time goes on. In all my experiences of owning and using computers, that platform has had the most mileage of any I've used to date. Maybe some years in the future, the same could be said of AM4.
LGA 1155 is also great for a 32bit WinXP build. I used a 3ghz cpu and a GTX 980 Ti (probably about the last gpu released with official winxp support). Works amazingly well and has fantastic support for early 2000's era games. Also has enough juice to crank up the graphics in the nvidia control panel.
i have i5 2500K with XP x64 and it works perfectly, so not only 32 bit... no compatibility issues with games newer than year 2000. I think if you don't need to run 16-bit software, you should stick with x64 edition. It opens you way to use more than 3.25 GB of memory, very useful with "modern" activities like browsing a web with Supermium, which is doable similar to modern Win11 build.
Or go with dualbooting like me, I have XP x86 on second partition only for DOS games :D
@@tennickjestzajety69 I just use my main pc for anything 64 bit, but yeah I know what you're saying ;) 64bit cpu's didn't really start hitting mainstream until around 2003, so a lot of games from around that time still weren't compatible yet. Honestly don't even notice the lack of memory with games from that era. 4gb was usually the max supported by mainboards around that time anyway.
@@tennickjestzajety69 nice,i have i7 2700k oc 5.1ghz ,windows xp works great although i use it for work only because the company software only works on windows xp.
@PhilsComputerLab there is one thing for forgot to Mention or might not be aware of it which is that the LGA 775 also supports 771 CPUs when you do a small modification to the Socket and apply a Sticker to the CPU that swaps 2 Pins on the LGA 771 CPU.
The 771 Xeon CPUs are extremely fast an much cheaper than the Qore2Quad equivalent.
I've done this with my Asus P5Q-Deluxe and the performance was amazing.
Of course you also have to add the Microcodes to the BIOS but that's pretty easy .
Yes Phil running a xeon 2.5 and xeon 3.0 GHz and a NVIDIA 8800 GTS nice performance.
Ah yes! I've done dedicated videos about this topic, but didn't mention it for this video. Good addition!
the other day i found a working asrock 775vm800 on a dumpster computer and it was pretty shocking how a low end board is now worth a premium due to the AGP slot
I need one of those for my HD 3850 AGP. although I think there are probably some cheaper Team Red options.
Asrock? The one I found for $14 came with a Pentium D 945 🤣
@@antonhei2443 when was that? the few listings i have seen for this model are 50€+
I have two of these sitting in my back room that are fully functional. I'm covered. One of them was my daily driver for ages.
The Samsung 950 Pro is the only NVME SSD that has a build in bootrom so that it can boot on any system that doesn't support it natively like any socket 775
Im happy anytime someone finds use for older computer parts. I personally like sandy bridge for windows XP only because I feel like the intel 2600k was one of their best CPU ever made. I used that PC for almost 10 years, and it went through 5 video card upgrades 460,570,670,970 and a 1080 and on top of that It had XP, 7 and Windows 10 before I finally upgraded the whole pc. Unheard of back in the day.
Agreed, Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge are awesome 😎
@@philscomputerlab I used to have a bunch of 3570S CPUs and Lenovo IH61M boards. I used them to build GPU mining rigs during the last boom and the CPUs were profitable for mining Monero at the same time. I still have a couple of the CPUs but not sure if I have any boards left. I may still have a Gigabyte H61M-DS2H somewhere. But it is really overkill for XP gaming. However, I do have a couple of the Lenovo mini MBs....could be interesting for a compact XP rig, running off the HD graphics, which is plenty of GPU power for most XP gaming. It will run Crysis, just not spectacularly well like an R7 250 will. I found a couple of 2GB DDR3 SODIMMS the other day so maybe I'll check it out sometime soon...I could make a case from some scrap aluminum sheet I have if I can find it. Or maybe I'll just duct tape it to the back of an old monitor, lol. Retro AIO, wasteland edition.
Thank you Phils, God bless you my friend!!! 🙋🏼♂️
Same to you!
Interesting as I tend to ignore LGA775 other than the ones which also have AGP (especially core 2 + AGP). I see a lot of 775 machines every week at the flea market but I am also finding a lot of old retro PCs from 486 to Pentium 1,2,3 and of course P4 478. Even the occasioanl 286 or 386. If you have seen any of my weekly car boot retro hauls you will know I have no problem finding a regular supply of retro PCs for 20 euros or less... do you think this is an issue that depends mainly on your location? oh a question for you Phil as no one seems to know what the answer is. If Slot 1 are Pentium 2 and 3, Socket 7 are Pentium 1.... what are the Pentiums that came out before that called, I had one back in the day a P66 and it fit in a much larger socket. I've never found one of that type since collecting retro PC hardware for the last 6 years or more. BTW it was you who got me into retro PC lol
Nice flex, being able to get parts so cheap, unlike most of us 😂The first Pentiums are also called Pentium, but the socket is a bit different. they used socket 4.
12:12 I'm actually doing something similar on an X58 based mixed use Win 10/Win XP rig. Works reasonably well. The riser card I use has both an NVME slot and a M.2 SATA slot, so it saves me some cable management annoyance.
Also, LGA 775 has some awesome Xeons available! The Q6600 gets a lot of attention, but it has nothing on the Xeon X3230.
Agreed! And it's easier to buy them vs the equivalent Core 2...
The X3380 is the king of LGA775 CPUs (Core 2 Quad Extreme excepted), especially if you can do a FSB OC. It also has 12MB cache. The 3230 is the best LGA 775 CPU you can tape mod. It will run at 3.33 GHz and be more powerful than any other LGA775 CPU running at stock speed.
But all of the above are pricey. I just ordered a QX6700 for $15. I have a high end LGA775 board. Should be able to get it to about 4GHz on air, if the silicon is good enough. I want to see if I can beat an i5-2300. Will definitely blow the doors off a Nehalem i5. Would probably need LN2 to get it to match a 2500K but sounds like a great (and cheap) way to try extreme overclocking. I run my X6800 at 4.5GHz on air. Could probably hit 5GHz with a modern high end AIO.
In my experience, all Core 2 Quad CPUs will perform the same at a given clock speed. A Q6600 runs like a Q9650 if you tape mod it.
@@Lurch-Bot i don't think you ca hit 5ghz with aio cooling
I have a P45 system with a Q9550 that's been running non-stop since January 2009!
turn off, give him some breath :D
What Motherboard, Gigabyte???
@@ricardobarros1090 yep GA-EP45-UD3R
@@ricardobarros1090 yes, GA-EP45-UD3R, Also 2 mechanical drives in there with similar hour count, 320gig seagate and a 640gig WD Black drive :D
A lot of my retro PC collection is from me not getting rid of the parts when I replaced them, and at the time I didn't have the budget to get a LGA775 system. I had a Socket AM2+ motherboard with a Phenom II X4 940 and 8 GB of RAM, which I gave to my dad until I handed down my Ivy Bridge system to him. That Phenom II is about equivalent to an overclocked Q6600, and I managed to find a Radeon 5870 to pair with it for a Windows Vista machine!
Socket AM2+ is amazing on Vista! I have a couple of phenoms all running at 3.6 to 4ghz and they beat the crap out of my q6600 which i could only get up to 3ghz on my 680i sli. Even the E8400 at 4ghz I have in it now on windows 7 feels less responsive
Me: still running my P45 chipset overlocked E7400 as a HTPC
Phil: it's retro now !
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Hehe yes!
Well, Windows 11 support will end with version 24H2 due to C2D CPUs lacking the POPCNT instruction but apart from that those boards are amazingly versatile
Also still have a motherboard with an installed Core 2 Duo E8400 and a REAL Intel motherboard with the P67 chipset and a BUILD-IN Intel Graphics accelerator on board. Uses an Intel GMA 950 Graphics accelerator faster then any virge DX card. Happy i did not throw away this beauty! I can install a graphics card but not needed, it plays doom and all old games perfectly!
It features 4 pixel shaders and 1 vertex shader 4 texture mapping units, and 1 ROP.
The GPU is operating at a frequency of 250 MHz, which can be boosted up to 400 MHz.
Its power draw is rated at 7 W maximum.
Thanks for this video!
5 years ago i got an Asus P5W DH Deluxe and it runs Pentium 4 all the way to core 2 quad.
Currently it has a Q6600 and 4GB of DDR2. Paired it with a HD5850.
It only cost 5 dollars for the board, an E6600 and cooler.
The board comes out of 2006, but supports on board WiFi and other fancy features for the time like crossfire support.
Oh yeah it is!
I think I already posted this under one of your early videos from years ago, but I was able to build a sweet retro PC out of the first revision of Intel-produced 775 motherboards and the first Pentium 4 supported on that platform. Couple that with a GeForce 6800-equivalent PCI-E Quadro card that use a hacked driver for Windows 98 and it's a beast of a Win 98 PC.
Nice work!
Loved the video where you took this platform and ran the fastest PCI-E windows 98 videocard.
The 8400 was an absolute gaming beast back then and still cheap as chips, though i prefer the raw grunt of the quads
@@UserUser-zc6fx You can overclock some of the quads to 4.0GHz - I did it with a Q9550 which is normally 2.83GHz. 100% stable with IntelBurnTest.
Glad I found my 775 motherboard during the pandemic. Searched for one year to score a ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.00. Such an awesome board.
Love the support for quad core, AGP 8x, PCIe, DDR2, IDE and Sata-II. Ultimate compatibility for my needs.
What amazing timing! i have one 775 board already, but a few popped up on my local trade site, and for $12 each with ram and CPU i couldnt say no, so i got all of them! including the very board Phil is holding up. I recognised the board immediately.
I've still got the old Zotac lga 775 board I bought back around 2008, which I use for a Windows XP and Windows 7 dual boot.
I have been having problems making a retro computer with two different operating systems, in this case it would be Windows 98 or Me and then XP. The problem is that after a few boots on Windows XP, the disk with the older Windows has corrupted files! The file names have strange characters even in the shortcuts and ScanDisk cannot resolve them. Even using one disk for each operating system, the problem persists always after a while. For me it's important to have Windows 98 and Windows XP on the same computer. The Xp also allows you to view many websites on the internet and make use of a Wireless Pci network card, as well as installing most GOG games. It would be important if you could make a video showing how to make a retro multiboot computer and how to solve or prevent one operating system from harming one disk or another, if you can.
A few weeks ago I built a system with a very similar board - the Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L using ~2008 parts. It's been great so far for WinXP with the exception of the Dell OEM PCIE Physx card I wanted to use, which I couldn't get working. I'm using the machine for a playthrough of Curse The Eye of Isis right now, but I'm sure it can handle something more modern.
You don’t necessarily need 775. Most 1st-4th gen boards support native XP with benefits of being able to install any modern linux/windows OS incl. Win 11. They are great to multi boot anything XP through 11 natively along with linux 😊
I have a Intel D975XBX2KR motherboard in my collection. Seemed a good choice at the time because it has peripheral wise the old (floppy, ide, etc) and modern pci-e and sata. Good video as usual, thanks
Yep. I have a cpuple already, needed good CPU, sound blaster and a parallel port so managed to buy a couple of these new old stock about 4 years ago. Awesome.
I can't Phil, you already convinced me to get a 775i65G R2.0 in 2019. :P
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I already got some Socket775 platforms beside Socket7 and SocketA for retro PC purposes.
As you already mentioned its the flexibility and wide spectrum which gets supported (PCI, AGP and PCIe for cards and USB, P-ATA and S-ATA ports for periphericals) and as OS you can go with DOS, Windows9x to XP and even Win7/8/10.
And the availability and price to performance ratio is great.
I have a socket 775 motherboard with AGP and PCIe, it supports the last pentium 4's and Pentium/Celeron D's. It also has windows 98 drivers
I have too, a Asus Motherboard PCIe + AGP. Só fun
my ASRock 775i65G R3.0 is officially supported by Windows 98 (Intel 865G + ICH5)
I've been thinking of building an LGA 775 with an E8400 WinXP machine. I have very fond memories of that platform both just gaming but also overclocking. Getting an E8400 to 4Ghz on air was great.
Yes it will do great!
You can also find AGP LGA775 boards. With something like a Pentium D 950, you can have a stonking setup. If you can find a PT880 Chipset board, you can have AGP and PCI Express at the same time!
I would add though, I've seen plenty of bad caps on LGA775 boards.
I like how Phil’s video help late comers build their retro computers with reasonable prices. Phil is good at sharing how these not-too-old computers can be “retrofitted” (pun intended) to behave like a retro pc.
There are many very odd S775 boards out there. ASRock P45 TurboTwins 2000 for example. With a slotted PCB to switch between SLI and XFire support. XD
You can even mount a netburst based Pentium D in there, for the P4 nostalgia.
The Core2Xtreme CPUs were massively overpriced even over 5 years ago, the Yorkfield based Q96xx oder Q95xx do just fine, for a third/quarter of the price.
Got lucky last month with two socket 775 machines for 5€ each in the local ads. Low End ones, but in nice cases. And working, after more than 10 years in storage!
12:15 Boot from NVME possible after modding bios or projects like Clover. But IMO its not needed at all (if using x1, we have lower speed than sata, using x16 just wasteful).
yeah I'm booting nvme on a s775 system with DUET EFI emulator.
Certain parts like the Samsung 950 PRO contain a boot ROM. I've booted from a PCIe card with one of these on an X79 platform. LGA 775 is older and most boards are PCIe 1.0, so I'm not sure if it works the same.
A sata SSD is extremely fast for XP era stuff anyhow, idk why you would need anything faster. For 98 and older even just a modern 7200 rpm HDD is probably going to speed through stuff
@@olnnn hdd is definitely slower even for dos/w9x
@@olnnn well I mean s775 is great for windows 7 and even 10/11
I don't plan to use this with DOS, although P31 does probably have that kind of backwards reach, but I would really stack it up to the max with that chipset including community patches that get 4GBs of RAM to work on Windows 98SE. I don't know if we got multi-core support somewhere before Windows XP, but that would be interesting. Get a high enough OpenGL support in a graphics card, you might run some of these modern source ports for some games like Quake. Which I've been quite interested in.
Very interesting. Last winter i played 775, was a good expirience. Xp is my preferred era. 98 just a bit.
0:40 gonna stop you right there mister, the early 775 chipsets, so the Pentium 4 type of 775, did have windows 9x support, or at least a couple of them did. I feel like you're talking about 775 in a Core 2 kinda way when there's like two very different yet exactly the same gens of 775.
And then there's outliers like the nForce 7 series that supported ALL of the 775 chips, from the Celeron D to the Core 2 Quad
My favorite platform, it's simply amazing, and it's very versatile. The motherboard are solid, very important, a P35 chipset will last you forever.
I've always been a big fan of socket 775 and socket 939 as they can both be made to work perfectly be well in Windows 98 and later. I do think I prefer the AGP versions of both sockets, but have been successful with the PCIE versions for the most part. I also think they both allow the use of the former highly undesirable processors like the Pentium 4 and single core socket 939. Flexible and cheap. Glad you made this video, as I'm well stocked already and won't be competing on purchases, lol. Great job!
I still have my old Gigabyte P35 board and Core2Duo E8400 :) Its retro now but I feel like just only one year have passed...
You should upgrade the CPU to QE 9650, get a new Geforce for it !
A very interesting subject!
It struck me how prices had already started to increase when I started collecting high-end and exotic S775, AM2/AM3 motherboard 4-5 years ago
775 is one of my favorites. So many options. My Gigabyte G41 Combo offers DDR2 and DDR3 support, PCIex16 and classic PCI, SATA, Floppy and IDE. And the best of all, it always just works.
Good to know, how good G41 actually is. I've always been a bit sniffy regarding that chipset - it seemed like a low end OEM Option and so I never bothered to try it. Maybe I should change that! 🙂
@@moezarella1261 I use a Gigabyte G41M Combo MATX board that supports DDR2 and DDR3 (2 dimms of each type for a max of 8GB). PCIE16, PCIE1, 2x classic PCI, SATA, IDE, Floppy, USB,... together with an E8500 and GeForce 9800GT works fantastic under Windows XP.
Some LGA 775 boards have very good backward compatibility. It is possible to run Windows 98 on it, but the options for a graphics card are limited to ma. Geforce 7xxx or Radeon 1300. Most sound chipsets and networking drivers do not work under win98. But XP/2k works also very fast on this platform, and it is possible to use dosbox for older speed sensible dos programms. I have used a LGA 775 PC with Winxp only, Core2Duo E8600, 128 GB SDD, and Geforce 560 for years as an ultimate retro pc. Old Windows software runs fine, and a lot of dos games too. The price of this build was under 50€...
I ran XP, 7 through to 10 on my machine, still have it Q9550, 8GB! A beast!
I have a nice lga 775 runs a q9550 and ddr3 8gb ram. That computer has fdd controller and floppy drive. Along with burner and card reader. Dual booting both xp and windows 10. I use it as a easy gateway between new and old. Even managed to get real 3dfx voodoo 2 cards running under 64bit windows 10 along with PAE under xp 32bit. I also have a massive amount of storage for the time in that box mainly use it for driver storage and archiving. Along with disk image files from my older computers incase I need to roll back. Also super nice to easily go on a website download a image and write a floppy or cdrom within seconds rather then doing it in stages :)
Agreed, I've had a few 775 machines for a long time, love the platform. Just as well because I've got a huge stash of M/B's and CPU's lol
Phil's back on the lav mic 😛 there's a time and a place for condenser microphones
Well, the videos aren't in sequence haha. This one was produced a few weeks ago 😊
Socket 775 is a great in between platform for a huge range of Os's. (I've still got my P45 chipset with Intel E8600/4 gigs of ram/ 8800 GTS 320) Another chipset I'm fond with is my Asus Premium SLI 939 with an AMD FX 60/Opteron. Gaming is a blast on original vintage hardware and OS. Thanks PhilsComputerLab for mentioning these hidden retro platforms.
I can’t believe they haven’t yet, shows how plentiful they still are. But I miss the ISA port
absolutely! i'm finishing mine now, it has an Asus P5QL-E (P43 chipset, would've liked P45 but this board has very neat stuff!), 8GB DDR2, Q9550 @ 3.56GHz, 120mm AIO, still waiting for a GPU, for now, using a 750Ti while I don't have something proper
i built an XP machine using the 775 since that was what i had back in the day. really cheap to make something stupidly overpowered thanks to the Core2Duo and i was surprised that i could get actual DOS games working on it!
Recently started dual booting Win 7 for better compat with some of the later games and this video has convinced me to pick up a Core 2 Extreme lol
I’ve been collecting motherboards for about 10 years now, and I am glad I held onto a lot of the 775 boards. I got them supper cheap ($10-$15) when nobody wanted them. Now I see the going rate is about $25 and on up including shipping. Funny how what people thought was garbage a few years ago is now sought after and valued.
Very cool. I like the promise of that SBEMU project. I got it working on my Socket 370 rig with Intel HD audio on board, but I frequently get JemmEx crashes just a few minutes into playing. Perhaps a real PCI SB would work better with SBEMU!
Found my original LGA775 intel D915 boards and it popped a resister right off the board on boot. Grabbed a second hand board with core duo 2 for $30. Great for XP. Yet to setup 98se but I can now play Swat 2 again.
I had 2 775 and 1 478. They all died. That is why i choose HP T610 as my WinXP platform and HPT5720 for win98. It all because of you Phil.
Might have been nice to mention a couple of prominent games which wont work (e.g. missing ISA Soundcard, or graphics card).
Also what would have been interesting are 5 1/4 floppy drives. Platform could be a good option to have 5 1/4 floppy working on Win10 or so. That is if the port and BIOS can handle it.
Having just gotten back into desktops again after years of laptops, I dug out my box of spare parts and realized I still have four LGA 775 motherboards in the house, DDR2 and DDR3, and like eight different CPUs. The configurability of this platform is really amazing, I think maybe AMD's modern AM4 platform comes close.
I decided to run an E6300 underclocked to 1.2Ghz with 4GB of DDR2 memory and a 9600GT, which is overkill for old retro games, but it also allows me to dual boot into Windows 7 for 64-bit support. At first I chose a P4 630 Prescott, but then switched to the E6300 as I can run it this low and get equivalent performance at much lower heat and power consumption. And it's comparable to a dual P3s Tualitin too, I think :)
Waaaaay ahead of you. April 2021 I found a Pentium 4 HT Sony Vaio desktop while thrifting and turned it into a XP retro gaming machine with some help from parts saved from my dead Pentium D desktop. radeon HD 3600 graphics card and SB Audigy SE, oh and two more gb of ram for a total of 3gb. Though time has taken it's toll on the old 500gb Seagate drive the bearing noise is getting a bit much...
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I always go for ASUS LGA 775 boards with 1333Mhz FSB, that way I can get a modded bios to support quad core Xeons which are WAY more cheaper than non-server quad cores. These CPUs paired with an SDD still run Windows 10 very well. Both my daily machine and my retro XP/7 machine are LGA 775.
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ASUS did official 1600 FSB, my QE9650 build, DDR 3
too old for daily ! play some old games only
Yeah I have thought about getting a matching pair of GeForce 9800 cards and a Socket 775 board to run them. Not really fancying it now, but maybe in 5 years time? I had a S775 system as my first PC I bought with my own money, which kinda repells me from the platform though, I'm always more interested in "new-to-me" stuff.
LGA775 CPUs don't have POPCNT instruction so they won't support 24H2 or higher tho. Technically AM2 would be a better choice but I can't find a motherboard that supports it as largely as Intel's side. So yeah I'll stick with the LGA1155 with some patches from Loew, BearWindows and BlackWingCat
I have an old Core 2 Quad that I've been meaning to slap XP back on. I don't think I'd bother running 98 or DOS on it, though. Getting an actual ISA sound card working in DOS is enough of a PITA, and Win98 tends to get very unstable with motherboards made after it went out of support.
In 2008 I bought an E8600 with a 775 motherboard with an nforce 750i chipset and I was able to boot the E8600 at 5ghz (not stable though) and run it at 4.8ghz 24/7. It's amazing how speeds haven't increased much in 15 years but the difference IPC makes is massive.
I still have a few q6600 cpus laying around but no boards currently.
775 was a beast.
I have a killer 775 rig stored away. 98, XP and MX Linux themed to look like Win2000 to keep steam working. I have 6 graphics cards and 6 CPU's, 3 sets of Ram and several WD raptor drives. Its in a modded fractal case with wrap to look period. Raptors make nice noise. Hotswap bays, Soundblaster 7.1, Zalman flower cooler, all black pcb mainboard ram graphics. What I'm missing is a nice 21" CRT.
I am currently using a Wolfdale C2D running as my file server. I’m retiring it soon, so I might use it in substitution of my i7-2600 board as my XP/classic gaming machine with a GTX 960 4GB. Otherwise, it’s a Dell Inspiron 630s with no purpose.
Thoughts on future use, hive-mind?
I'm right with you on the LGA 775. Still got some of those boards with single core p4's to core2quads.
I had Asus P5E back in the day, just picked up a P5E Delux with a Q9550 for £35 really wanted the P5E as I still gave the box for it but the delux will probably do. I have a couple of E8500 cpus so not sure for gaming the core 2 or the core quad will be better. Do you think pairing with a GTX 280 is appropriate?
I still have my Core2Duo system which I had custom built at a local PC shop in Feb 2007; used it through 2014, after which it went into storage. Around two years ago I pulled it out of storage and set it up again. It didn't even turn on, but it was just the PSU had gone bad, so replaced it, and the system fired right up perfectly in the same state it was the last time I had used it. I'm using a Ryzen 5 5600 system now as my main desktop PC, but like having my old system running as well. I guess I was a bit of ahead of the LGA 775 retro curve LOL
After getting that system running, I did some research and realized I had missed out on the later Core2Duo processors,. so bought the parts for a Core 2 Extreme QX9650 system with a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R mobo for my "max" LGA 775 PC.
A Core 2 Duo E8600 and a 8800 GTX are still great fun!
I have quit a few high end SLI motherboards from that era and I’m planning to do a build with four 8800 GTX, just because I can and because that GPU still is very special to me.
Almost as special as the ATI radeon 9800 XT, my first high end GPU ever!
Unfortunately that era of hardware already got quite expensive.
There are kids out there who grew up with that hardware and feel the nostalgia hitting, which means prices will go up soon.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this
Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
I suspect LGA775 is more widely available than AM2/AM2+. Would love to see a comparison between both options in terms of retro options especially as backward comparability mean that athlon ii and phenom ii were supported on some boards
Athlon II and Phenom II belong on proper AM3 boards. It's am awesome platform!
It's common always use Intel as reference, but if 775 boards exists a lot, even more are AMD boards and they are cheaper than 775. So explore the possibilities, 775 boards are just a starting point to expand the options to go retro.
I am just finishing up an E8600 triple boot (XP/Vista/7) project this weekend, and it is definitely true that you get a ton of fun for your money on this platform! A trick I like to use is to go for the BTX form factor, as BTX cases are usually cheap compared to ATX, comes with a free kickass air cooler, and mine even came with a surprise motherboard installed that I ended up using. Just be aware that most BTX boards comes from business machines and does not support overclocking if that is something you are into.
Personally I have always kept a 775 board just for the joys of giving a Q6600 a good sound thrashing.
I wish I knew which chipsets to look for for LGA775 pcs. VIA used to be good enough IMHO, but sounds like there are better options out there.
I think one of the best Socket 775 board is the one that has Intel 865 chipset, and paired with Intel Celeron 400 series. With this combination you get: complete support of Windows 98 drivers, AGP slot, and IDE connector. I bought three Asus P5PE-VM because of this
Another interesting bit is that even tough Intel Celeron 400 series is newer than Pentium 4 and using socket 775 it's actually single-core and based on Intel's P6 microachitecture just like Pentium Pro/II/III. Oh, and also it's only 35 watt TDP, so passive-cooling is possible.
windows 11 24h2 is not supported on 775 platform
needs popcnt instruction and sse 4.2
Well, I do still own my LGA775 machines so I guess I'm fully covered 😅
Jokes aside, I suspect the used market will get really weird because, let's be real, these machines are still very good for most daily tasks.