Do you Need Different Converters?
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Hi David. Great video as always. It would be interesting to hear you talk about adding 'glue' to the mix. I know there's been some videos on compression, etc., but I know it is a combination of things, and it would be great to hear your summary, common mistakes you see, etc. Thanks either way.
I've been watching gear related videos for a while now, and i noticed that some people have a hard time understanding that people like david are running a business. All this expensive gear helps them bring more customers in and it makes their job easier saying stuff like converters are useless or gear is useless is just dumb its like telling a concert guy that he doesn't need a mixer because he can mix it in wheelbarrow lol yes its possible but it'll take forever to finish 1 driveway and it'll look really bad
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No one is knocking the nice stuff that actually makes a huge difference. Equalizers, compressors and tube/transformer saturation devices.
But when it comes to converters well... There is a point where the audio dust is being sniffed.
Especially if you abuse the brick wall limiter settings... It's like buying the best circular power saw and then making inprecise cuts simply because you can.
@AR7271 i was just saying what i saw in the comments of lots of videos, but if someone is buying a 3k convert, then they are abusing it they shouldn't be buying it imo even if they have to think about the purchasing it few times it just means the business isnt there yet im saying it strictly in business point of view not whats good and whats bad i noticed high end engineers have very very expensive setups im sure some devices are just their dream toys that they always wanted which is also cool 😉
I understand what he was trying to ask because when I first learned about converters and decided also to purchase and RME ADI-2 FS I didnt fully understand AD/DA conversion and I thought that I had to do something special to make it convert through my ADI- 2 PRO. I didnt understand that as long as I have it connected correctly and as long as I'm printing in real time using studion one 6 that the conversion was happening with the ADI. Before that I didnt know if I had to connect a certain way or change a setting in the unit to make it use the ADI converters. I just needed to research more and understand conversion more and how the unit worked with my DAW and my setup since this was my first time owning any piece of hardware and I mostly mix and master. I initially didnt know If it was working or not because i didnt understand converters and conversion.
I remember my first "holy shit" moment with converters years ago.
Nearly 2 decades ago my first audio card was an RME pci card that you plugged directly into. Once I had the cash I replaced it with the RME hammer fall 9652 and Apogee AD16x. It blew me away and I still have that same setup with ADI8 doing DA. Converters definitely make a difference and make life easier.
Rme for the win. I use the hdspe aio for aes, adi2 pro FS, for mastering chain, and ucxii for my 500 rack. I've never had a single hiccup, and i fully trust what the music sounds like
@@davidcache RME are great. I borrowed an adi2 once (the then newer blue ones) and to my ears it sounded better than my older adi8 that I use. Only reason I kept the adi8 is cause I needed the extra analogue outs.
@@madmuso5 really hear the adi2 better the Adi 8 ds mkiii ?
bro🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 bro please can i have that zulu behind you my mix need some butter soooo badly🤣
This is good advice
Yes. Yes you do.
I have been struggling to get a good sound recording acoustic guitar. Tried different mics but still didn’t sound right. I have a great dedicated mic pre and a great mic. EC2 OC818. Interface was the weak link. Bought a used 8 channel lynx aurora. Unbelievable the difference it made. Finally have my end game chain.
Great video!
Could you do a video about the power situation? How do you plug in all that gear!
Thanks
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@@mixbustvThat is very cool! Missed that part
Seems like not a lot of info on youtube about how everything is plugged in power wise
Thanks!
What do you think of the Ferrofish Pulse 16 converters? Nice clean transparent converters do you think? … especially if you’ve already got a pair of Neve 542’s on your mixbus that already has color from the transformers. Other than having a Burl B2 ADC that is adding more color
David I’m curious how you like tracking vocal through your AD+? I’m thinking of getting one for tracking but also to print mixes with hardware. Any advice or thoughts?
It's amazing. One of the reasons I picked it is how easy was to switch the input and track with it
My Vox chain Sony c100>BAE 1073MPF>Manley ELOP+>Burl B2ADC
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My vocal chain circle audio 251 > bae 1073mp > bluey > golden age comp 2a > burl b2bomber adc
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Thinking about RME ADI-2.. ITB only.
I use my dangerous AD+ with my Lynx Hilo via AES , and maannnnn the Dangerous sounds smoother then the Lynx Hilo AD side of things ! It’s crazy 😭😭😭 but the Lynx DA side ,maannn I don’t think no other DA touching the clarity of the Lynx Hilo ‼️‼️
Hi David, what is your honest opinion on RME adi-2 pro as a main DAC for both monitoring and capturing and analogue gear on the loopback? Thanks
Great converter, Howie just got one
Hey David, is it possible to have a video deeply diving in attack and release of a limiter? Tutors and youtubes talk like limiter has only one control, but I really want to have an idea about how we should use a limiter properly just like how seriously people treating compressors these days.
sure!
@@mixbustv Nice! Super grateful for it!
Without watching the video... Hell yes period you may not need that exact brand but converters matter every time I upgraded by converters my mixes work better and better and the artist that I were recording or working with were happier and happier. I will be getting the time adi-2 sounds amazing to my ears
Did upgrading converters get your music played on the air though?
@@AR7271 doesn't matter
Adi2 is a great value and sounds awesome :)
Hey man! I don't really have a question, but was hoping for advice. My outboard gear has outgrown the available Analog I/O on my interface. I do have available ADAT In and Out on it though. And I am eventually going to upgrade my interface but I will still need more I/O regardless of the interface I choose because I do not want to sacrifice any mic pre's for additional I/O if that makes sense. So I was wondering what you would recommend for mid to high end converters? Specifically something with at least x8 line ins and outs and ADAT ins and outs. Im looking at the Ferrofish Pulse but wanted an opinion from someone who has the experience on different setups and has very similar taste as I do (i.e. you). Thanks man!
Oh the timing :D since I JUST officially ran out of channel myself and I'm now 8ch short I had to make the call and get another 16A and that's what you should get, that easy. Motu 16A, this is my third so consider yourself lucky lol
😅 Well I'll be damned. Yeah I couldn't have hit you up at a better time! Thanks man. That was simple. But am I the lucky one here? 😅 I would love to need 3 of them with your gear! But I say that with full understanding you have earned all of it. Thanks again bro.
I use Burl DA converters for monitoring 🤔
A very big R.I.P to the late dave hill one of my mentour from jamaica here with the crane song HEDD saving to grab one just for his memories just like my neve 1073 pre that i wount be giving selling or lending no time soon
Massive loss
I've had the Egret and the Hedd because of him and who he is, without listening first I bought them but that was 10 years ago and i was inexperienced so I sold the 2 units , now I wouldn't
Hello do you think that the Uad Apollo x8 have pro quality converters or mid range? for example
to process the audio with external gear in 3 or 4 loopbacks, thanks a lot!
Someone can tell me if my Aurora 8 (first generation) should be upgraded ? For mixing. Thx
Aurora are good converters if you don't mind the fact thatn you can cook eggs on it after 4 minutes they're on
I've only used audio interfaces for my conversion and I'm just about to buy an RME Fireface UFX2. But I'm thinking, would I be better buying dedicated converters and some pre amps instead? But how do dedicated converters get in to the computer? Do you have to buy extra PCi cards?
Interfaces are converters. Of course buying dedicated converters and pres are generally speaking better than all in ones but today there are very high quality interfaces. Connections depends on the models
Why not the UFX + ?
@@HollerAtcherBoi The only difference is that the + has MADI connectivity, which I have no use for and is more expensive.
High end audio interfaces are converters but the standalone converters plus preamp and summing mixers are the hybrid way to go if you are going into the commercial way but all in one audio interfaces for personal and home use is a good choice
I make a decent living mixing music and doing audio post for German TV. Nobody cares which converters you have. 10ms slower or faster release on bis compressor will make more difference. All modern converters are very good, for instance the Audient 100€ converters null completely after 50 cycles. The new RME converters are extremely good (objectively the jitter and headroom is comparable to anything else on the market)
Do you use the adat out of your AD+ or straight USB
AD+ passes the digital signal to the 8pre ES via ADAT, my connection to the computer is TB
@@mixbustv is there any concern about the way ADAT sounds vs Spidf?
How would you run several converters on the same pc
With a pretty complicated setup
@@mixbustv 😄
Speaking of converters, what's the best bang-for-buck that isn't an interface?
if you still have pci and a pc, RME raydat or even the older 9652 will give you best latency on the market plus great software and a lot of ins and outs via adat. I have a raydat with two ferrofish pulse 16 converters and couldn’t be happier (without spending a few thousand extra).
@@toslinked No, I want to expand an interface with 16 ins & outs, but I've seen that one Pulse16 can work for that as well. Though, at over 1000 euros, it's a bit on the pricy side.
@@aleksamrkela831 oh ok! well before the ferrofish I had a few of the behringer 1820s and they are perfectly fine for recording. the weak side is the DA, but still unbeatable for the money.
@@toslinked Do you think the Behringer would work fine for mixing with analog gear?
@@aleksamrkela831 that’s what I used them for. outboard compressors, fx. it’s nothing fancy but just set and forget, it’s certainly good enough unless you have extremely expensive outboard. a 180€ converter next to a stamchild wouldn’t make much sense but probably still be workable.
Q: "Do you need different converters?"
A: "Nope, not no. All we need are the android Ash A.I. from Aliens and Acustica Audio's Ash."
Too bad you can't capture a mix with a plugin. Now what?
@@mixbustv elaborate "capture". You act like I disrespected your ownership of the Dangerous AD+. You even proudly wanted to do a review of ASH only based on popular demand...which didn't come to fruition.
@@mixbustv When it comes to "capturing a mix", do you mean this: "One of the joys of analog is that the sound palette is so versatile. Each unit will give you a different sonic character, and the ability to push these boxes to their extremes allows an engineer to create sounds out of the box that the digital realm isn’t able to provide yet.
That’s why us analog heads like having such a plethora of different machines at hand. " MixOnline quote.
I do find it a bit odd with the converters adding a colour signal after I found out it was just the same thing as the components in analogue equipment.. it seems odd... just keep the conversion separate and save the faff... make their colour add a separate unit surely?
I just adds another complication like the one in this video.
But unfortunately this exists and I might want to do the same because of it🤣
I agree, I don't want color on my converters, and I would focus on other things to get color if needed
@@mixbustv (It* just..) It really doesn't make sense, especially if you expect to hear the same thing monitoring your analogue chain as when it's been converted.
Plus that colour they are adding is in most units already... it's a bit like using a pen knife in a professional kitchen 😂
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Very cool username. :D
Yet the least valuable comment. Wasted opportunity
1 for the algo :D
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I think you all just have too much money to spend.
Or maybe we do this for a living? And invest in the tools to make things better, the same tools other people not making money doing this say don't matter.
@@mixbustv one sh1t post deserves another.
But hey it's your money. If you want to spend it on diminishing returns, then have at it!
lol I saw your other comments, here's a piece of advice: don't comment on things you don't know or don't understand. It screams "I'm jealous" very loud. That includes "does it make your music play on air" Who said that even? You obvioulsy don't undertand profesionally mixing and mastering, or the industry, and have the home producer mindset, as you said, have at it and don't worry about what other people do, especially people who does this for a living. And here's another breaking news: promotion will get your music played on air, but if you think 3K for a converter is a lot, or pay a mix engineer is a lot, trust me you are not even CLOSE to have enough money for promotion so not even a miracle will do that for your music lol
Yeah I think it's all getting a little silly now, with all this "converters are a mixing tool" stuff. If you want color, wire up some transformers in a tin?
Converters ARE a mixing tool. That's why we have different ones. Especially for mastering, having different AD's is a very normal thing