I don't think Ms Chou really understand about communist thouth she is talking in a polite way。 So much appreciate that these 2 gentlemen will not leave Taiwan if there is war from China⋯⋯
Are you out of your mind? The ROC aka Exile China give them the resident NOT Taiwan Government. The Exile China have had to support Taiwan and Penghu build their own Government just like the US did on Japan. But the disgusting Exile China declare they ARE the GOVERNMENT and stole our wealth and land from our ancestors. Exile China is biggest lair ever and the 1949 Chinese-refugee offspring are the largest gangster in the world.
This is a very profound interview. Well done Allen and Prozzie. You both have something deep in your minds. I would like to see more interviews on your channels.
A few facts to point out: 1. Taiwan, officially known as Republic of China was established in 1912, while PRC was established in 1949. How can the "son" be older than the mother? 2. China claims Taiwan was always part of China, hence PRC needs to take it back. But Taiwan was rule by Spanish, Portugals, Dutch, Japanese and then KMT. The heritage and culture of Taiwan is very much mixed. 3. Taiwan was never ruled by PRC, or CCP. Not for even one day. 4. Australia, NZ, USA, Canada (partially) were all ruled by British at one stage. That doesn't mean they are part of UK. The culture and heritage are independent from the sovereignty of a country. 5. The land that was part of China ruled by CCP, was annexed by Russia/USSR. The size of the land was many times larger than Taiwan, and yet CCP never ask Russia for unification of these lost lands. All these facts, are something Chinese people aren't aware of, or never bother to think critically about. Anyone who think critically and rationally, should easily draw the conclusion that there is no reason why Taiwan should be part of China.
The debate should be based on these True facts. The fact that they don’t have the facts right means there’s no ground for even a discussion at all. What are they even trying to justify at this point?
I think you need to actually understand how each side approaches the problem. 1. Officially the PRC claims to succeed the ROC as the only China in the world. Thus any lands allocated to China (like those relinquished after WW2) are all claimed to be the PRC. 2. The stance of the KMT party has always been that the only China that exists is the ROC. Thus in 1992 the ROC and PRC agreed that there is 1 China but each call themselves the true ruler. 3. The PRC had good relations with the USSR until Khrushchev (which led to a border skirmish on the Amur). Thus Mongolia was accepted as independent and Vladivostok as Soviet territory. But who claimed all of the Qing territory as the true China until the recent decades? The KMT government did (especially under the rule of Chiang). In Chinese history the concept of China is different from the modern concept of a country. The term 皇帝 Emperor was the ruler above the 王 Kings. Thus following tradition there can only be one Emperor. Thus like in the 3 Kingdoms period, each of Wei, Shu and Wu all claimed the title of Emperor and regarded the other two as usurpers to the throne. All three were China. Just like later in the Northern and Southern dynasties, both north and south considered themselves the real ruler of all China.
you are missing the point. the point is chinese people see it as their land, they are not supporting CPC on this, they are supporting their own rights. if ROC has the power to keep China stable, they will support it, but the point is ROC is being eaten alive by Taiwanese seperatism, that is unacceptable to chinese. and why Taiwan is China territory is because Taiwan until today has not declare independence. all the example you given had declared independence. Taiwan still celebrate 10 10 as it national day. 10 10 is the declaration make by present day Wuhan City. I am not arguing Taiwan cannot beomce a country, if Okinawa want to become a country it could too. but they have to first declare their independence in a document that establish their founding. as to can Taiwan and Okinwawa survives the forces of China and Japan, that is another matter. and if you argue Taiwan is just ROC and ROC is seperate from PRC, that's fine too, but PRC and ROC are at war, there has been no peace treaty signed between the 2 sides, so they are already at war. the entire reason why Taiwan is trying to make an argument it is not ROC is to avoid the civil war. but if it is not ROC, and it has not declare a new state, Taiwan is currently stateless, so that argument is problematic as well. trust that the Taiwan politician has given way way more thought then you did. there is a reason why they are not pursuitng any of those options.
@@PeterLiuIsBeast For your first point, the term "succeed" means somebody gives up their whole rights and vanishs so that you succeed them. For example, ROC succeeds the dynasty, and became the only representative of China. However, PRC doesn't succeed ROC since its existence in Taiwan. Both PRC & ROC constitution claim the China identity This means there are actually two China around the world. And most countries follow "ONE CHINA POLICY", either ROC or PRC, which the latter one is the major option.
I am truly touched when you guys say you are going to document the war🥺 I love Prozzie's calm tone and Alan's on-point questions. I appreciate this video. Amazing ✨
Very wise conversation and demonstrated the different mindsets between democracy and totalitarianism. I really appreciate you guys. Some Taiwanese also need to know what we’re facing.
Thanks everyone for the comments! I hope everyone learned something. I have a lot respect for Miss.Zou for being in the video and expressing things to an audience that is mostly Taiwanese, or at the very least will disagree with her. This video is not intended to be an opportunity to attack her personally. Although her and I don't share the same political beliefs, we are still friends, and she is very close to me, and so I hope we can make her feel like it's ok to have these discussions in front of a large audience without fear of people being awful.
Her idea of agreeing China to "take back" Taiwan with force was AWFUL. She doesn't think that her sibling is going to the war but she still think the war as a "choice". Don't tell me something like "You can't balme them because that's how they were taught", I have friends who can think totally opposite to her and they are now living IN CHINA.
首先，真的非常感謝你們願意做這麼理性討論的影片 我得說，雖然表面上台灣是民主國家，we have to admit that many, many people here still don't not have the right concept of what open-minded, respectful, healthy discussion is. 所以在理性討論，critical thinking這方面，我覺得台灣還有非常大的進步空間。 但如果這個有越多這種影片，可以讓更多台灣人學習到理性討論的應該是什麼樣子，並從中學習。 如果可以的話，希望你們可以多做這些，把台灣還缺乏的，西方文化的優點帶來台灣，並讓台灣本身就有的優點更上一層樓。 謝謝你們！
Politically, Taiwan is not a de jure government, neither is it recognised by the 181 member states in the UN. Actually, frankly speaking, the majority of the mindset that “Taiwanese” people have is that they trust the US. That will be a fatal mistake.
Great discussion. Really interesting to watch because I'm used to Chinese people flipping out on this topic, and Miss Zou was very chill. I think the reason they get so upset is because they're force-fed this idea that "Taiwan is China" from a VERY young age; so when they're confronted with a different opinion it upsets some deeply rooted ideals.
They only know what the CCP wants them to know, they are brainwashed. I'm sure she would have been in trouble if she said anything that went against the CCP narrative on Taiwan.
Hey Prozzie and Allan - Just watched this and found it really refreshing. Your tact and ability to accommodate a difference of opinion are key ingredients that have always been missing from politics. I was learning from this myself - not to get so emotional when talking about these type issues that mean a lot tome. I really enjoyed this mature and balanced conversation. I love Taiwan like you do. I think the pro-China support that we saw in this recent election comes from a place of choosing peace over looming war more than from a place of patriotism to China. I left Taiwan in 2022 for family/career reasons - but I’ll come back and fight in that army any day if they’ll have me.😊
I really appreciate this honest conversation. I can see you two ask a lot of hard questions for her to think about and answer to. I feel for her dilemma, not a lot of people is willing to criticize it’s own country, especially in front of foreigners. And I can see her trying to have an open mindset despite the propaganda fed to her in her up bringing.
The Chinese don't even kniw the true history behind Taiwan and China. When the Japanese attacked China, the communists ran and hid while the ROC decided not to be cowards and fight the Japanese. After the war, the ROC was depleted and that's when the communists came out of hiding and forced the ROC to leave for Taiwan.
Miss Zou is very much an example of the type of Chinese I meet here outside of Taiwan. Often you know each other for years, become good friends. And then one day, as if they received a command through the invisible antenna on their head, they look at you coldly and say things like: "My country owns you" "Come back to mother land" "My party will send the PLN and your family on the island of Taiwan will not last an hour" "By reunifying with China, you will bring ALL us Chinese pride." I cannot accept that this "friendly" person who claims they want nothing to do with war, politics and negative thoughts, underneath all that was actually thinking to wipe my family off the land that we live on. I hope Miss Zou can see where the flaws are in this logic. Please do not EVER say that to another Taiwanese person you meet. You wouldn't say that to Canadians. "Canada is such a peaceful country!" - so is Taiwan, we've never wage war against China. Unless China is somehow afraid?
€€P ain't even an adopted son to Nationalist Party of ROC lol.. Only a stray boy adopted by its coercion, then the rebel announced to be the master of the family. ROC is the mother still considers her and her siblings as its children. Well, this is the full story of it.XD
Prozzie, it’s really brave to choose this sensitive time, but we really don’t believe the Chinese because too many Taiwanese businessmen went to the mainland enthusiastically at first, but returned to Taiwan in despair. They are just too scary, and their tactics are two-faced. Thanks Prozzie and Allan love Taiwan.❤
@@guu-jingyang3972 Don't forget they have 2.8 billion people between the two countries. That's a huge potential workforce or they can be conscripted to fight as well.
At 10':53, when Prozzie said " I think you've been told me years ago that it is not China don't want to invate Taiwan but it is because that China is so nice, and so kind that they allow Taiwan to have their own system......to be a good mother (China 自比為台灣的母親?)" I noticed that Allen show his funny smile face.....ha ha !! When I was a high-school boy, I strongly feel that we "OWN" the whole mainland China, but now....I will rather say that Taiwan is nothing to do with China. Taiwan is simply "Taiwanese Taiwan" and we will fight (at lease "I" will) back whatever it might cost if China try to invate Taiwan.
yeah. And most Taiwanese has nothing to do with China to begin with. 史前時期，台灣有個大肚王國。第一個有系統統治的政權是荷蘭殖民時代。二戰日本戰敗把台灣還給UN。UN老大美國把台灣借給友軍中華民國後 (當時的台灣比中國進步。聽說國民黨軍不懂電梯)，欺壓台灣人至今。 國民黨把日本人趕跑，佔據他們的資產。國民黨欺壓台灣人，逼其接受漢化。國共鳥事，也是因為國民黨來台的關係。台灣人是被 forced 的。
@@Prozzie I'm so glad to have your valuable comments and responses, I think that the reason of Taiwanese are moving futher and futher away from China as the result of the Chinese goverment's hostility and the ambitions for annexation towards Taiwan, especially after Xi-Jin-Ping taking power.
Really touched when Prozzie said “our country” when he meant Taiwan. And I don’t know if I can be as brave to stay in Taiwan when there’s war, even I’m a Taiwanese. 😂
What moved me most about this interview was the love the two of them had for Taiwan❤❤. Not only does Taiwan not want war, but the world wants peace, which is the best for mankind. Everyone can be so happy, watch TH-cam and enjoy life.
Love this type of content! I love the question you guys come up with. Its incrediblily difficult to find a Chinese person would talk about Taiwan openly and calmly. I have lots of Chinese friends and I had been looking for content about how to convince to a Chinese to accept the idea of Taiwan independence. For most of them have been living in the states for 20+ years, its still almost impossible to help them turn against the CCP and support Taiwan. ❤ Thanks!
Amazing show today Prozzie & Allen. It’s interesting to hear from different sides. I wish one day there will be more awareness in China. Being outside of China and exposed to more information doesn’t seem to have significant impact on most Chinese abroad. Perhaps it’s related to the upbringing perhaps is fear?
It is a difficult topic to engage with friends regardless of which side you stand on. People have different understanding of the history and what actually happened, what was given to the education and background. I grow up in Taiwan with very little of understanding of Taiwanese history my self. I have to actively research and comprehend in my best abilities and at the same time to understand the date I found. Does it stand along as nurtural or does it has it’s own agenda? Thank you Prozzie for making such interesting videos, very empowering what u and Allan says in the end about stand along with Taiwan if the war does happen. Don’t think Many Taiwanese will even dare to speak like that.
I almost crying. As a Taiwanese,I’m so appreciative this video when two foreigners said they love Taiwan and truly believe it’s an independent country. I love you guys. And thank you miss 鄒！ Even though we are on different pages ,you still show your gentle and peaceful. 謝謝妳即便與我們立場相左，依舊保持著溫和的態度來面對這個議題。
In grade school in Canada, in federal schools (as the child of a soldier), I didn't know there was an issue. Taiwan was treated as another nation like any other but the common heritage was taught in the same way as France was mentioned when discussing the province of Quebec in Canada or Britain was mentioned when discussing Australia, for example.
issue is there is no nation call Taiwan. Taiwan under it own constitution call Taiwan a province, the government control territory outside of Taiwan including in the mainland.
鄒小姐算是開放能尊重別人的了，能接受兩位台獨份子的訪談要很大的勇氣呢。
當prozzie 和 英國叔叔 說即使戰爭也要留在台灣時，真的很感動耶~
身為台灣人的我，也會保護愛台灣的每個人，台灣加油.....
這就是中國的高知識份子啊！明理好溝通的外表下,還是藏一個清朝人啊！
@@吳美茹-o3w
這就是洗腦教育的影響啊，不是短時間就能去除的。
所以對於在中國牆內就能保持清醒的人，覺得真的很有智慧和邏輯不會被呼巄。
Thank you for your respectful comment!
@@吳美茹-o3w 真的 中國只有解體徹底，中國人才可能被現代文明解救吧，不然 永遠就是活在洪荒，永遠就是野蠻，受再多現代教育，都比不過從小的獸性化
这两位真不了解台湾历史和中国文化。很多问题从个人理解和教育出发，没有从历史和更多视角看这个问题。说得更简单点吧，国共内战其实还没有结束，所以统一战争随时可以打响，只是老共不想中国人打中国人，如果台湾居民不认为自己是中国人，那老共肯定不会客气了！他们说的其他就是放屁一样
鄒小姐的問題：為什麼擁有博士學位的她可以輕鬆地在英國找到工作，但在台灣不行？
因為英國(以及中國以外的所有國家)沒有整天派戰機、戰艦圍繞台灣，放話要武力侵略我們。
就像鄰居拿著一把槍說要入侵你家，你會放心的讓鄰居進到你家喝茶？！
但我還是覺得鄒小姐很勇敢討論這個話題，祝她安好。也謝謝Prozzie跟Alan這麼愛台灣這塊土地。
她的意思不是這樣，台灣確實沒有太多高階人才的職缺，或者是薪水低上一大截，她在英國發展更好，這是事實。
@@meow5566uk她意思就是這樣，幹嘛幫她圓？
@@MsDebbie0611 ok fine，你們和鄒小姐都有忽略事實的傾向，畢竟每個人都有盲點，保持善良就好，不是什麼大不了的事
因為中國的飛彈沒有對準英國，但是對準台灣
@@晶晶-e4n 台灣有中國人在工作，你們說的跟影片討論的根本是兩碼事😅
鄒小姐在中國人裡感覺是非常有教養的。而Prozzie和英國叔叔值得擁有台灣的身分證！謝謝你們支持台灣維護民主自由！
看起來有禮貌但是說著要侵略別人國家的事
對啊～如果一定要以戰爭奪回台灣，那就是非得做的事。
那就是中國共產黨洗腦的結果。
首先，在思想上，她放棄思考。
1.台灣從來沒被中國統治過，即便是100年前。
一百年可以做到很多事，蘇聯瓦解分裂成ㄧ堆小國家，越南分成北越南越，美國可以13州變一個國，非洲可以成立一堆小國。
ㄧ百年可以做很多事，產生很多變化。
2.如果說中文就要被統治，那中國要侵略新加坡，馬來西亞嗎？
3.在思想上，價值觀完全不同
中國是社會主義，台灣是自由主義，台灣人完全無法理解中國人為什麼這麼容易爆炸，被管制到發瘋了嗎？
台灣跟歐美日本和韓國都是同一價值觀，人權，尊重，國家不能侵犯我的基本自由，但中國呢？侵犯自由才是你們日常，所以侵略他國就是正常的？
這麼說來，中國人一點都不尊重人，所以才會不尊重台灣人的意願。
I don't think Ms Chou really understand about communist thouth she is talking in a polite way。 So much appreciate that
these 2 gentlemen will not leave Taiwan if there is war from China⋯⋯
@@huangjacqueline9581 Cannot agree with you more, talking gentle while totally barbarian in connotation.
我可以相信她本性是一個善良的人。然而一個人從小到大，所學全是屎，而不自知，讓我更了解並必須遠離共產黨的人生
謝謝！聽到Prozzie跟英國叔叔說的，非常感動
Thank you so much!
如此真誠、開放的訪談，不但幫助我們了解一些"理性中國人"的想法，也展現了兩位對台灣的深度理解與愛，Prozzie和英國叔叔值得擁有一張可以投票的台灣身分證~
鄒小姐矛盾的發言，她說中國人不適合民主制度，但自己卻生活在民主自由的國家，而台灣是民主自由的國家卻又要台灣回歸中國這個共產國家，想不通這是什麼邏輯？
會邏輯不通也是因為中國課本教的
而出了社會也不知道自己要幹嘛不會獨立思考 黨說什麼都是對的才產生的產物
神邏輯😂
沒錯，中國教育下的神邏輯. 每一句話分開聽得懂，合在一起就困惑了. Ps 自己都承認了，中國不適合民主，攻下台灣後就是消滅民主.
人家只是去作客而已
難免的，牆國人都有的想法。
這位小姐其實有很好的文化素養，不會因為講到某些話題就翻臉生氣，可以平心靜氣的一起討論，我覺得這才是溝通的本質。同時也覺得勇氣可嘉
那是基本的吧⋯⋯
就是來參加鴻門宴，稍微有尊嚴的人不會來參加這種無效溝通。
大陸人 念越多書.越自大 尤其女人
看它們找男人條件.......要吃要拿.要免費長工.還是屋.車.錢
就知腦子裏 自大到剩錢
超級自大 ,不然也不會在全世界鬧事的幾乎都是女人
她全程雙手抱胸 😂 從姿勢可以看到內心的想法
我覺得至少她願意參加這個討論，代表她的心態是理性開放的。 respect!
她願意這麼開放且平和的討論這種敏感的話題，就值得給她掌聲，
有任何想回應的意見都應該在冷靜並尊重彼此的情況下交流。
看得出她是有腦袋會思考的人，但很可惜接收的資訊及刺激不夠多，還無法突破她在中國時接收到的，以及出來後的資訊衝突，希望她有朝一日真的能來台灣，或者多多接觸台灣人，多多交流，也許能理解得更深入。
我覺得她真的被震驚到，當你們說台灣是你們的國家，你們在戰爭時會留下來。
你們不是第一次說了，所以我不是很意外，但每次你們這麼說我都很感動。
我怎么看不出她有脑袋？讲话毫无逻辑，漏洞百出。ps我认为台湾要么赶紧武力统一，要么就真的放弃得了，未来统一只会麻烦越来越大。
其實不一定是他無法突破吧喔畢竟她還要回中國 什麼能講什麼不能講或是公共場合該講什麼還是要斟酌的
這樣講容易騙炮。
鄒小姐本身畢竟是受高等教育，所以可以保持冷靜理性去回答對她不是“友善”的問題，但由她的回答可以看到中國所灌輸是很單一跟頑固的，即使對一個身在國外唸完博士班的人，竟然還這樣頑強地相信共產黨宣傳的那一套，另外，在國外那麼久竟然未能吸收到的外面世界的民主自由的普世理念，依舊維持中國的口號跟大內宣，可以想1. 她是只顧讀書拿學位，其他與他無關的“好”學生2. 太久沒回牆內，看看到習大大已經變成維尼翠翠, 為人厭棄 3. 既得利益者，還沒機會被維權過，太過天真
@@huang217
台灣過半的人也頑強地相信民進黨宣傳的那一套。
中國人的一大特色就是不在乎對方的感受和意願，只管自己想要什麼就一定要得到，十足恐怖情人的人格特質。
身為台灣人，中國如果犯台，我是一定會站上前線的！人家說現在年輕人怕死畏戰，我想那只是少部分而已，大部份愛國的都不會到處張揚，但台灣是我們的母親，國家需要我們的時候我們當然要站出來保護她！
參戰前線+1
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這點我認同，沒人會一天到晚沒事就說，欸如果大陸入侵我們，我會保護我的國家喔～
其實他們這種思想完全是因為教育所致，愛國教育真的很容易他們人民很盲目不夠獨立思考，在那種社會氛圍裡幾乎無解，他們不是不想要有別的答案，它們更多的只是想要沈浸在那個幻想裡面懂嗎？
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大推這集 很棒的訪問 聽兩位如此力挺台灣 感動到不行 台灣給你們永久居留證真的很值得 大家來守護台灣 不管誰執政。 0:38
就我身邊接觸到的年輕柯粉，都是屬投降派的，風往哪邊吹就往哪倒，只要中共一發動戰爭，他們會是第一批拿五星級投降的人。
Are you out of your mind? The ROC aka Exile China give them the resident NOT Taiwan Government.
The Exile China have had to support Taiwan and Penghu build their own Government just like the US did on Japan. But the disgusting Exile China declare they ARE the GOVERNMENT and stole our wealth and land from our ancestors. Exile China is biggest lair ever and the 1949 Chinese-refugee offspring are the largest gangster in the world.
太棒了，票选民进党，永居上战场😂😂😂😂
想想都知道不可能的事😂😂😂
有錢賺有砲打當然爽留，你以為他倆作慈善？
This is a very profound interview. Well done Allen and Prozzie. You both have something deep in your minds. I would like to see more interviews on your channels.
按鄒小姐的說法，兒子如果現在生活在好的環境下，有權力決定自己要不要回去跟拋棄他的媽媽生活😂 有哪個媽媽會對著自己兒子射飛彈 😂
這中國不是有回應，因為不聽話的兒子要挨打啊！
不好意思，台灣是爸爸爺爺輩的，不是兒子
中國的媽媽是這樣的，有困難時就遺棄小孩，小孩長大後發達了就來找你要撫養她，你不理她她就大哭大鬧報警找媒體鬧去你工作場合說你不忠不孝沒心沒肺。
當然，如果你長大後一貧如洗，她會繼續當做沒你這個兒子/ 女兒，例如割讓給他鵝爹的那一大片荒原雪漠，中國媽媽唯一在乎的只有海參崴。
中華民國比較老
儿子长大能赚钱了，妈妈每年还要资助1000亿，然而儿子依旧不满足，不但骂娘还要当别人干儿子😃
我看到你們說會留下來拍影片，我真的哭了😭因為就連在台灣出生長大的人也不一定真的會留在這塊土地上，這集真的有無限感動🥹
感動+1
😂+1 已经准备移民加拿大了
外国人忽悠你一下，你就真信，哈哈哈 TH-cam上夸台湾的，流量都是极大，非常容易赚钱。
不過不留在台灣的人，不代表完全不認同台灣，背後有很多理由，不能一概而論; 而且你說他們會留下來很感動，但換個角度看，如果他們國家的人如果像你這樣的心態去看，他們國家的人可能就不會認為他們是那麼的ok了!不是嗎!
所以你要說哪個好哪個壞，我會說沒好沒壞，如果你把世界視為地球村的話，人們來來去去都是正常不過的事了!
我只知道祖国必须统一，如果发生战争，我愿意捐钱或上战场！别说我被洗脑谢谢
當prize和艾倫說出如此愛國感性的心聲，我的眼淚在我心裡流動，我是台灣人，我跟你們一樣愛我們的國家，不容他國侵犯🎉🎉
你们国家是中华民国，不是台湾，与大陆的内战还没结束呢
最简单的事实，就是两岸内战没结束，两岸统一，被美国恶意阻止。
台湾是个国家？什么时候成立的？联合国和美国英国日本等爹们哥们同意了吗？台湾国在哪里？在井里自封自嗨成国？ 让迎合台湾赚流量的两个外国人解释两岸关系和讲历史？台湾没人了吗？还是逃避事实和现实？可耻可怜可悲！
prize？不尊重人啊！
我只知道祖国必须统一，如果发生战争，我愿意捐钱或上战场！别说我被洗脑谢谢
對岸不是「他國」，兩岸一中。
他國菲律賓殺我漁民你怎麼沒去拼命？
謝謝Prozzie and Alan作了這次的訪問，非常直接和真實的討論兩岸問題，在內容中也很感動你們愛台灣的心，我們都是真正的台灣人，即便戰爭真的發生也會勇敢悍衛自己的家園。
也謝謝鄒小姐真實的分享中國人民的看法，雖然同源同族，但華人已經分散在世界各地，但國家是地區性的，若要把世界各地的華人都歸於ㄧ個國家那是不公平的。
在中國政府的教育下宣導對台灣的看法我覺得並不是人民的過錯，但如果真要談歷史，台灣這塊土地從來沒有歸屬於中國，相反的中國在國民黨執政時是歸屬中華民國的，這也是以前台灣政府總喊著要反攻大陸收復國土的原因，但目前在台灣人民已經沒有這種想法，能夠安穩的生活已是妄想。
關於國際承認的事，台灣是有加入聯合國組織成員的，是被中國政府壓迫退出，若立場對換，不知道鄒小姐對中國政府會是什麼看法。 以上是我個人看法，可能鄒小姐有興趣的話可以來台灣旅遊，也許您的想法會有一點點變化，祝福你。
非要把世界各地的華人，都歸於ㄧ個國家(中國)，那是不公平的 +1
照這個邏輯，是不是這全世界多數國家，包括印度和美國，都屬於海上霸權時代的英國？而印尼也該屬於荷蘭？
我覺得鄒小姐已經盡可能的客觀與謙遜的表達她自己以及其他她所知道的中國人的看法。我是一個台灣人，我非常感謝兩位油管主對台灣的感情和支持。
也謝謝鄒小姐讓我看見理性的中國人的看法，沒有人希望自己國家的領土被割裂，也沒有人會期待失去自由和民主的生活方式。
兩岸人民意見相左，但理性表達與換位思考，的確有助於雙方的溝通。
Awesome video! It's rare to hear an in-depth opinion from a Chinese citizen regarding Taiwan. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thank you so much!
謝謝鄒小姐願意接受訪談！很喜歡這樣和平友好的溝通，我不認同她的觀點，但我衷心希望兩國人民可以像這樣好好交流而不是互相攻擊、誤解！
CNM , 没有中国人， 我们都是非洲人
台灣沒有想要攻擊，你看看日本吧！311時，中國說了什麼？之前四川，台灣日本都有捐錢，結果我們發生事情，他們卻唱衰，所以台日才會如此反中，只能說小粉紅想害別人，卻害到自己😅😅😅
@@dongshengdi773 笑死
你這種會用 CNM 字眼的人 , 應該看不懂這種優質的 聊天節目吧 !@@dongshengdi773
两国你妹啊，是两国，台湾和大陆对话机构为什么叫陆委会，而不是外交部？？如果是两国，为什么中华民国宪法都写清楚，台湾是省，不是国。台湾是法制社会，如果你们还是法制社会，就应该尊重你们的宪法，台外和大陆就是一个国家两个政权的关系。中华人民共和国政府控制中国大陆、香港，澳门地区，中华民国政府控制台澎金马地区。
謝謝 Prozzie 和 Alan! 台灣有你們真的很好 🎉
真的聽他們說要留下來，不覺熱淚盈眶。⋯👍👍👍
*¥可是這洋人的祖國、其政府在北京設大使館、在台北沒設，還承認台灣是中國的一省。*
這位～一直重複這句話，對中國對台灣對你對世界局勢的發展都沒有任何意義。你難道還不明白嗎？
香港澳門本來就是‘’租‘’的，臺灣可從來沒有被誰租，一直就是自己。
而且是清朝租出去的。可憐，從清朝被還給給中共。說不定清朝還比較好。
不管是被割出去時的統治者是大清帝國，還是中華民國遷入台灣，都沒有中共的份。
錯了喔
香港九龍是割讓
新界澳門是租的
都割給日本過了 還被強迫上日本學校 應該是歷史很差的小朋友吧
@@jotaro1011 台灣就是台灣，不是誰的！
兩位朋友這使令我感動，感謝你們
最近走紅的美國影集在講臺灣的黑道，楊紫瓊與寇世勳有演；
不知多少臺灣人有看，還是都在看踢塔，這是很奇怪的現象；
以前臺灣都會播好看美國影集，為何現在電視台喜播終國的？
或許娛樂趨勢正是影響臺灣年輕人的因素，很值得政府思考！
註：很可惜，台詞有許多文化誤植：就是幫終國吃臺灣豆腐；
希望外國對臺灣的印象能早日擺脫那個共產國家，臺灣加油！
特別提一下：
新住民阿龍上週五又發行新曲了，他現在是國際藝人，在加州發展；
一月的每週五他都會發佈新單曲，有興趣的樂迷可上網聽他的新歌：
名字是：Dallas Waldo； 以下的音樂平台都可搜尋得到阿龍的歌曲：
spotify, Apple Music, SoundCloud 註：他走紅對臺灣將是一大助益！
因為台灣電視台浪費太多資源在那堆政論節目，剩下的經費與其自己拍攝節目不如直接買省錢
@@ioneleo9 那為何買終國的，南美洲，歐洲的影集更好看啊！？
歐美影集購入貴且有播映次數的問題，中共國影片便宜且可用文化輸入的方式，將中共國政治正確的謬誤置入在影片內，從而進行影響洗腦。
@@ioneleo9
不是電視台愛製作政論節目
而是政論節目製作成本最便宜
如果是戲劇 綜藝 影集的製作成本很貴
電視台不想投資這麼多成本
最主要還是現在台灣電視台有線頻道太多了
把廣告大餅給分掉了
以前國民黨控制的老三台獨食的時代
三家電視台的廣告獲益很肥
只要是觀眾數多的節目
廠商都是捧著錢去拜託電視台排檔播放廣告
現在是電視台的廣告業務需要去拜託廠商上廣告
這種情況下導致電視台的節目品質越來越差
@@namewu3112 最後一句是重點，那就是我們要避免的！謝謝你的分享！
錢不就是應該花在正確的地方，讓學童越早有語言學習的環境，儲備並激發潛能，人民也更能有機會培養國際觀，相信會更好；
其實不一定便宜的都好，希望藉由你的寶貴意見能讓政府多多思考！
Very well done interview! Thank you for making this!
謝謝Prozzie跟英國叔叔那麼愛台灣好感動喔
不懂两岸历史的外国人，赚流量赚钱，迎合台湾人夸台湾两句，就被感动了？
A few facts to point out:
1. Taiwan, officially known as Republic of China was established in 1912, while PRC was established in 1949. How can the "son" be older than the mother?
2. China claims Taiwan was always part of China, hence PRC needs to take it back. But Taiwan was rule by Spanish, Portugals, Dutch, Japanese and then KMT. The heritage and culture of Taiwan is very much mixed.
3. Taiwan was never ruled by PRC, or CCP. Not for even one day.
4. Australia, NZ, USA, Canada (partially) were all ruled by British at one stage. That doesn't mean they are part of UK. The culture and heritage are independent from the sovereignty of a country.
5. The land that was part of China ruled by CCP, was annexed by Russia/USSR. The size of the land was many times larger than Taiwan, and yet CCP never ask Russia for unification of these lost lands.
All these facts, are something Chinese people aren't aware of, or never bother to think critically about. Anyone who think critically and rationally, should easily draw the conclusion that there is no reason why Taiwan should be part of China.
Well said.
The debate should be based on these True facts. The fact that they don’t have the facts right means there’s no ground for even a discussion at all. What are they even trying to justify at this point?
I think you need to actually understand how each side approaches the problem.
1. Officially the PRC claims to succeed the ROC as the only China in the world. Thus any lands allocated to China (like those relinquished after WW2) are all claimed to be the PRC.
2. The stance of the KMT party has always been that the only China that exists is the ROC. Thus in 1992 the ROC and PRC agreed that there is 1 China but each call themselves the true ruler.
3. The PRC had good relations with the USSR until Khrushchev (which led to a border skirmish on the Amur). Thus Mongolia was accepted as independent and Vladivostok as Soviet territory. But who claimed all of the Qing territory as the true China until the recent decades? The KMT government did (especially under the rule of Chiang).
In Chinese history the concept of China is different from the modern concept of a country. The term 皇帝 Emperor was the ruler above the 王 Kings. Thus following tradition there can only be one Emperor. Thus like in the 3 Kingdoms period, each of Wei, Shu and Wu all claimed the title of Emperor and regarded the other two as usurpers to the throne. All three were China. Just like later in the Northern and Southern dynasties, both north and south considered themselves the real ruler of all China.
you are missing the point. the point is chinese people see it as their land, they are not supporting CPC on this, they are supporting their own rights. if ROC has the power to keep China stable, they will support it, but the point is ROC is being eaten alive by Taiwanese seperatism, that is unacceptable to chinese. and why Taiwan is China territory is because Taiwan until today has not declare independence. all the example you given had declared independence. Taiwan still celebrate 10 10 as it national day. 10 10 is the declaration make by present day Wuhan City.
I am not arguing Taiwan cannot beomce a country, if Okinawa want to become a country it could too. but they have to first declare their independence in a document that establish their founding. as to can Taiwan and Okinwawa survives the forces of China and Japan, that is another matter. and if you argue Taiwan is just ROC and ROC is seperate from PRC, that's fine too, but PRC and ROC are at war, there has been no peace treaty signed between the 2 sides, so they are already at war.
the entire reason why Taiwan is trying to make an argument it is not ROC is to avoid the civil war. but if it is not ROC, and it has not declare a new state, Taiwan is currently stateless, so that argument is problematic as well. trust that the Taiwan politician has given way way more thought then you did. there is a reason why they are not pursuitng any of those options.
@@PeterLiuIsBeast For your first point, the term "succeed" means somebody gives up their whole rights and vanishs so that you succeed them. For example, ROC succeeds the dynasty, and became the only representative of China. However, PRC doesn't succeed ROC since its existence in Taiwan. Both PRC & ROC constitution claim the China identity This means there are actually two China around the world. And most countries follow "ONE CHINA POLICY", either ROC or PRC, which the latter one is the major option.
台灣連一秒都不曾屬於中國、未來也不會改變
支持你的說法❤
定義一下 不屬於中華人民共和國
👍😂
@@dingdanny5745 你學過 那你說說 而不是只能放屁 台灣哪一刻屬於中華人民共和國？
大概只存在你國的歷史吧，你開心就好😂@@dingdanny5745
I am truly touched when you guys say you are going to document the war🥺 I love Prozzie's calm tone and Alan's on-point questions. I appreciate this video. Amazing ✨
Really fair and authentic conversation, I love it, good job, keep it up😀
鄒小姐應該壓力很大，他如果說了超過祖國的限定範圍，他反而會被自己中國同胞攻擊。
你多心了。邹小姐可以认为台湾可以分裂，那么她的家乡可以每个县一个国家吗？从来不是谁当不当中国人，而是当地的主流舆论要不要你当中国人。
@@federerroger3722piapiapia打他臉
@@yebadio7938不要偷换概念！台湾有自己的政府，有自己的货币，有自己的军队，所以台湾有能力独立。反观国内的省市一切都在中央的掌控下，凭什么独立？中国人的称谓只对中国内的人，中国以外的就只能叫华人。叫不叫中国人不是靠舆论压力，难道你能把新加坡的华人都叫成中国人？法理上台湾人是华人，但绝不是中国人。至于独立，那就交给未来决定。
这段采访以粉红的标准已经是属于不够爱国 不够表衷心了 非要上纲上线发动网络暴力 也不是不可能 现在要公开发表言论 只有网络战狼的程度才能避免在中国内网被小粉红围攻😂
你的逻辑混乱，新加坡不是中国的。台湾是中国的，这点不一样。@@federerroger3722
以一個台灣人來說， 很難理解為什麼中國人會認爲台灣在歷史上屬於中國， 因為中國也只有在明末清初到台灣統治而已， 如果這是一個統一的理由，為什麼越南、韓國、蒙古及俄羅斯統治的大東北等等不是中國的一部分？我們是多個民族的後代，我自己的祖先及基因就有台灣原住民、日本、中國等， 台灣是一個海洋國家，台灣原住民也開枝散葉冒險遠渡到南亞及太平洋各個島國（包含夏威夷、斐濟及紐西蘭等）， 但是，那不代表台灣跟各個太平洋島國是同一個國家。
因为台湾就没有真正独立过 一个代表中国的中华民国政府 被赶跑到台湾=台湾是一个独立的国家？除了明清时期
1945-1949 不叫中国统治？中华民国是不是中国？就是共产党跑到台湾 国民党也不可能放弃台湾
法国第一共和国和法国第二共和国 不是一个法国？
如果在日占 清占 明占 任何时期 台湾人 或者说本地人 用武力推翻政府 建立一个独立的国家（那才能叫独立）没有流血就想独立 想的太好了吧？台湾的政府是一个原代表中国的割据政府
越南好歹用武力赶跑了明朝 外东北也是和俄罗斯一场场战争打下来签下的条约 在已经签下条约的情况下声索有难度（现代战争成本高）
然而中国拥有台湾 中国的主权法理是有的 不管哪个政府都是中国
经常有人说 我不讨厌中国人 讨厌ccp
我可以说 中国人 不在乎谁来执政 都会要求统一
另外 台湾98%都是汉族血统
台湾有自己的文化主线和建国路线吗？
中华民国的建国节是中国的辛亥革命 双十节 过着双十节 当自己是台湾人是分裂的？
西班牙不会放弃加泰罗尼亚 乌克兰不会放弃克里米亚和乌西 中国不可能放弃台湾，内战从来没结束 也从来没签停火协议
从利益上讲 台湾属于第一岛链 扼住了中国大陆的咽喉 地理位置重要 战略意义重要 如果中国大陆说不要台湾了 台湾就能不买美国的军火了？只会变本加厉部署萨德甚至其他武器
从情感上讲，中国人都追求大一统（也别说俄罗斯那些不要，先易后难，中国强大也不介意拿回来）别说大一统是洗脑😅这是中华文化，哪个强盛的朝代不追求统一？
另外 台湾也只是美国利用的棋子而已 中国要是现在跟美国说 我现在不再发展科技跟你抢高端产业 签广场协议 信不信美国能把台湾放弃 又回到不搭理台湾状态？
民进党都执政八年 怎么还不修宪？还不是不敢加美国不让？
现在不打台湾 确实是经济上划不来 不代表不敢打
统一两种情况 要么富强到超越美国 美国放弃台湾 自动和平统一
要么打仗转移矛盾（你祈祷不要发生吧）别妄想中国崩溃 打台湾中国大陆只会更团结对政府支持率大大上升
因为中共并没有宣布国共战争结束，台海战争结束。
因为你们的政府刻意没有告诉你们一个事实：国共内战并没有结束，目前只是暂停而已。既然决定最终归属权的战争没有结束，那又何来说台湾突然就不属于中国了呢？
很简单，为什么英国人不让苏格兰公投独立呢？
为什么西班牙不让加泰罗尼亚地区独立呢？
@@catmollymori6117可是共產黨跟國民黨的內戰一開始時，台灣還是日本領土，根本沒有參與， 甚至國民黨代表盟軍到台灣時， 毛澤東及周恩來還是發表支持台灣獨立， 共產黨立場改變是因為國民黨撤退到台灣， 所以， 所謂的內戰是跟國民黨，並不是跟台灣，是事實具在， 現在，拿內戰當統一的理由，是很勉強的。
聴了鄒小姐的言論，我真的很慶幸我生在台灣⋯⋯習之所以能一直當「皇帝」人民也要負一定責任的，台灣已經示範給華人看了，民主體制是無關種族的，中國人認為中國人不能實施民主制度實在是非常的悲哀⋯⋯
真的..就好像是民主是奢侈品，而中國人不配擁有？被洗腦多年的觀念要改變好像很難..
比如你形容他为皇帝
她說如果中國適合民主制度的話早就實行了，這有非常大的邏輯錯誤，第一他們從沒機會實行、第二聖上已經說全過程民主，所以她的邏輯在牆內外都是錯的🤣
@@yebadio7938他本來就皇帝，有什麼問題？
請問中國五千年歴史不就是皇帝制？從台灣1996總統直選以來 台灣中國人那次不吵不鬧
所以從台灣中國人看大陸 真心覺得中國人不適合民主
開放健康的討論。超棒的！希望台灣的政治人物也都能這樣讓台灣往好的方向走。棒棒🎉
從小開始的洗腦教育造成的認知是很難去覆寫去改變的，我可以理解這位女生，因為我小時候也是接受國民黨的洗腦教育長大的。
自己的國家自己守護，我現在已經長大了，我是台灣人，我會用生命捍衛我們的民主與自由的生活方式❤
台灣人好善良，我們的教育訓練是理解對方. 我們多元，我們常出國，我們包容. 我們這幾十年來從未被侵略，被剝奪自由. 是否應該畫一條線，跨過來就該好好問候他了.
這真的是我心中的感覺與想法，我被國民黨洗腦洗得很透徹，現在終於清醒了😂
我也是，我家永和深藍，一直到韓國瑜當選市長，長輩喜孜孜的在群組po中國「買台灣比打台灣划算多了」的文章，我才忽然心裡警鈴大作變成徹底的台獨份子，我們應該修憲放棄大陸淪陷區，自己在台灣中華民國就好，要不要正名以後再說
我們很多人從小都是受黨國教育長大的，但我長大後認識台灣真正的歷史，教科書從來沒教過的，
也不曾認同過中國國民黨，
某部份的台灣人都能不被國民黨洗腦，即便我們從小讀的是國立編譯館的教材，
為何這些中國人就是做不到換位思考呢??
@@MsDebbie0611赶紧修 等不急了 民进党怎么不敢呢？该不会是美国不让吧
Very wise conversation and demonstrated the different mindsets between democracy and totalitarianism. I really appreciate you guys. Some Taiwanese also need to know what we’re facing.
對這三位都致上最深的敬意！
尤其聽到鄒小姐的理性，以及兩位紳士對這塊土地的熱愛，超級感動😢
這個話題、這個來賓安排、和Prozzie的主持功力，是非常棒的組合！點讚👍👍！
一直很懷念早期Prozzie參觀陽明山林語堂故居那集的那種氣質，是別的youtuber無法複製。
Thanks everyone for the comments! I hope everyone learned something. I have a lot respect for Miss.Zou for being in the video and expressing things to an audience that is mostly Taiwanese, or at the very least will disagree with her. This video is not intended to be an opportunity to attack her personally. Although her and I don't share the same political beliefs, we are still friends, and she is very close to me, and so I hope we can make her feel like it's ok to have these discussions in front of a large audience without fear of people being awful.
為了保護鄒小姐，是不是應該給她打碼😅
致Miss Zou, 我們不是要攻擊你啦. 請放心. 出來後最珍貴的不是那床與棉被, 或是空氣和水. 相信你的所學足夠讓你可以自己搜尋. 現在沒有人看著你, 夜深人靜也沒有人關心你google 了什麼. 就跟發現男朋友劈腿一樣, 你希望早發現, 晚發現, 還是永遠不知道, 亦或者做足了功課心裡知道就好? 這個男友有人說他在騙你, 他撈了很多人的錢跑, 很多人被害得很慘. 你要不要讓你深愛的家人們看清楚他呢?或者不方便說, 那我們自己查清楚後, 是否遠離? 還是即使如此, 你依然想跟他長相守, 那也是您的選擇. 我們把看到的人品說出來了, 只希望不要有持續被矇在鼓裡的人.
@@KateK-y4m 沒錯沒錯，我也是覺得“...所學足夠讓你可以自己搜尋“，這才是對自己的留學學習路負責吧，其他都是個人的自由，都予以尊重
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Her idea of agreeing China to "take back" Taiwan with force was AWFUL. She doesn't think that her sibling is going to the war but she still think the war as a "choice". Don't tell me something like "You can't balme them because that's how they were taught", I have friends who can think totally opposite to her and they are now living IN CHINA.
非常讚賞鄒小姐的勇氣，同時Alan和Prozzie也讓我相當感動❤
Good Job ! Well Done ! such a Serious topic ! But you guys make a breakthrough in YT field of Taiwan . Keep going , this is a free land !
很開心看的到prozzie從剛來的時候到現在從負面到正面的心情轉變。
然後，我們只討厭一些不懂得尊重台灣的中國人，鄒小姐很理性，雖然還是有些根深蒂固的觀念，但能接受不同觀點，理性討論才是最重要的。
再來，台灣選舉結果並不會改變95%不想成為中國人的立場，
多次政黨輪替就能知道，很多時候比起國家方向，會有更在乎候選人能帶給台灣人民更好的生活與否，而不是政黨的信仰。
我觉的台湾很多人分不清中央政府与地方政府的职责。很多生活上的事情应该是地方政府的责任。中央政府是对国家的大方向负责任，例如外交军事财政金融税收，教育医疗交通等应该是地方的责任，因为地方最了解他们管理的范围有多少人口，需要什么样的设施。
@@photosalbum7047 不是分不清，是媒體誤導！很多媒體常常會把某些問題誤導成中央決策，或是某某政黨執政的縣市，這樣手法已司空見慣。
不對喔～國家方向與人民幸福生活品質與否，是緊密連結的關係喔⋯
說到民意的部分，這真的也是台灣民主政治以往的一大困境
當別的民主國家可以好好針對各種議題進行討論時
台灣的總統大選，卻始終要回歸國家認同的問題
而這是否重要？從鄒小姐的疑問來看就很至關重要啊！
當藍綠兩方分別明顯代表是否認同自己為中國人的立場時
如果國民黨在總統大選獲勝
就有可能對中國、對國際釋放出錯誤訊息，便是台灣人仍認同自己是中國人，且傾向統一
而回歸這次選舉，可幸的是，台灣主權的概念在這20年間，終於算是完善了
我可以很有自信的說，綠白合計超過七成的票，9成9都是偏向台獨思想的
而剩下3成投藍的票，其實也多是傾向不統不獨的路線(或只是怕戰爭)
這樣的結果，可以讓台灣的民主制度更為成熟健康
讓其他重要的議題得到更多討論的空間
你不用想。
持有中華民國身分證者就是中國人。
Thank you all for sharing the conversation about Taiwan. Good one.
I love this. Please continue. There is a gap of understanding between people and I encourage you to bring in different people and the dialog ensuing.
Allan always knows how to make me laugh --loudly. 😊
這次訪問真是AWESOME到不行，期待下一季的精彩繼續！＝What an awesome interview! Looking forward to the next episode for more greatness!
首先，真的非常感謝你們願意做這麼理性討論的影片
我得說，雖然表面上台灣是民主國家，we have to admit that many, many people here still don't not have the right concept of what open-minded, respectful, healthy discussion is.
所以在理性討論，critical thinking這方面，我覺得台灣還有非常大的進步空間。
但如果這個有越多這種影片，可以讓更多台灣人學習到理性討論的應該是什麼樣子，並從中學習。
如果可以的話，希望你們可以多做這些，把台灣還缺乏的，西方文化的優點帶來台灣，並讓台灣本身就有的優點更上一層樓。
謝謝你們！
謝謝你們採訪鄒小姐，這真的是我看過台獨人士和仍然保持想統一的中國人之間，最溫和的對談。歡迎鄒小姐有一天能到台灣來看看這個自由民主又美麗的國家❤
先换了外壳再说。内战还没有结束。就想不玩了？ 国民党当时没有跑到海南去。难道海南就成了国家吗
@@spa6167看不懂?講清楚一點好嗎?
你呀，明明就是男的，卻用你女友的照片，講男人的話。話說，你女友或老婆，知道這件事嗎？
OMG! This is the first time I hear both of u loving Taiwan so deep so much! I love prozzie and Alan ! I wanna give u two a big hug🫰
歡迎鄒小姐來台灣旅遊，看看台灣是什麼樣子。當我還是小孩子時，我被教導做一個堂堂正正的中國人，我小時候深信不疑，直到我上大學，我才漸漸發現中國人不應該是我的身分認同，後來台灣民主化了，從1996年到現在，還不到30年的時間，我們脫離那個獨裁的年代，也漸漸認識自己生長的土地，我小時候學習有關台灣的事物少得可憐，長大之後我花了很多時間來學習我小時候就應該學習，關於自己的家鄉和自己的國家的各種事務和歷史文化，特別是其他和我不同的族群，我不知道其他國家的人對這件事情有什麼想法，但是我希望下一代不會再遇到像我小時候相同的狀況，台灣的事由台灣人民自己決定😊，台灣不是中國的一部分，台灣人和中國人只是有一部分人的祖先來源相同，所以有一部分的文化來源相同，就是這樣而已。
真的很認同您的想法呢 從小背一堆中國地理歷史 聯考後就忘得一乾二淨 但對自己生長的台灣 從北到南的城市或河流面積大小 都不是很清楚 更遑論台灣自己有甚麼歷史 真的太好笑了.......但更多的是悲哀跟憤怒 所以現在新世代的教育 應該多認識自己的土地是沒錯的
那就赶紧修宪独立😅
@@Little-chilli 台灣總統路線目前就是維持現狀，"中華民國憲法"是留給中國政府看得，實際上是一邊一國，互不隸屬。
@@Little-chilli其實我們只要宣布放棄大陸淪陷區就獨立了
@@Little-chilli 早就獨立了, 何必宣布
Thanks!
我覺得台灣不開放中國人來台工作主要要確保勞動市場的穩定，因為中國人實在太多了...
而且勞動市場的部分台灣普遍薪資可能優於中國，這樣會有大量的中國勞工來跟本土勞工搶工作，可能會導致大量本土勞工失業，畢竟中國與台灣沒有什麼大的語言隔閡。
快有大量中國人要輸入囉，侯侯的政見，恐怖哦😱😱😱
很抱歉看到你說"我覺得""可能"的字眼就是一種意識型態而已，國會應該盡快制訂這才是法治國家應該做的事情，要如何確保勞動市場的穩定是可以由我們國會制定規則的，但凡貨貿或服貿都必須在國會制訂的框架之下，所以開放勞動市場本身沒甚麼問題。
你可以去閱讀新加坡開放勞動市場的相關法令規則，相信會受益良多
@@趙子維-c1m 您認真了，我單純就我看到的現狀來看，並無意識形態問題，我的觀點主要在於中國與台灣雙方語言隔閡較少，相對新加坡、香港等國家需要會英文、粵語能力，學習的成本會比台灣來的高，以基層勞工來說，確實台灣會成為首選。
至於政治及法律問題，小弟不懂，但還是感謝您的指教。
主要是怕，骗不了了😂😂😂
@@趙子維-c1m對台灣人來說，我覺得就是我認為的意思，歐巴桑我幾十年來都這樣用，真正歹勢😂😂😂
很棒的一場訪問👍
謝謝你們☺️
來賓鄒小姐她其實很理性，只是礙於她從小的教育思想她就會是那樣的認知，一時半刻是無法改變的，這可以理解。
然後我覺得Allen其實有因為一些她回答的在我們看來是完全不對的答案的時候很想大力反駁讓她知道正確是什麼的那種感覺😆
被深根錯誤觀念的中國人，說實在肯定會很疑惑為什麼除了她們中國人以外，其他國家的人都認同台灣是個國家呢？這樣。
其實就是因為看事情的角度完全不一樣罷了。
角度不同，看的到的東西就會不同。
不過⋯⋯無知的人就例外了😌
一個從叛亂中華民國開始，就充滿謊言的政黨、組織，經營的那塊土地會有真相嗎?
14亿中国大陆人都是被错误的认知教育了多年，被错误的历史观影响了多年，误信了郑成功驱除殖民者，施琅收复台湾，国民党退守台湾的史实，特别希望2300万台湾人能想办法帮助14亿中国人纠正这些错误，先谢谢了！
Politically, Taiwan is not a de jure government, neither is it recognised by the 181 member states in the UN. Actually, frankly speaking, the majority of the mindset that “Taiwanese” people have is that they trust the US. That will be a fatal mistake.
我想這就是民主國家和共產國家的不同之處。
民主國家懂的尊重別人的感受。
共產國家只分大小和強弱，弱勢者沒有話語權。
@@萁-u7l😂😂割据叛乱政权占领别人的地方。搞事情。还不允许被挨打。当年没有消灭国名党。早就统一台湾了。
這是非常棒的探討！我最愛Prozzie！👍關於台灣不允許你過來工作～是因為你是中華人民共和國！而台灣是中華民國！這是兩個不同的國家！關於歷史～妳若是有時間，建議妳可以去查看日本的資料，也可以去查看荷蘭、西班牙，也甚至是台灣的資料！這些資料是在各國的圖書館都能查找的到！還有中國共產黨從來沒有統治過台灣🇹🇼一秒鐘！
就是阿 她都能出國 卻完全不相信國外資訊吧 也從不懷疑黨的教育
除了法規限制，台灣確實沒有太多高階人才的職位，或者是天花板很低，說服一個可以全球移動的高學歷人才來台灣是不實際的。我們的立場要站穩，但也要知道台灣很小發展有限
@@meow5566uk 你如果真的是「人才」，台灣一定會有公司要你。至於鄒小姐這種英文卡卡、錯誤百出的「人才」嘛......
@@solargo11 真的別搞笑了，【英文卡卡】能在美國英國找工作？【台灣一定有公司要】根本邏輯不通的說法，給你最低薪資也是要，你還能大言不慚，人家可不是端盤子耶笑死。
她影片裡面說的是事實，我身邊 PHD 的朋友都是在國外工作，台灣完全沒有對應的職缺，就算有薪水也是兩三倍的差距，真的別跟小粉紅一樣好嗎...
所以能把一中宪法修了吗，赶紧立宪建国别举着中华民国的死人牌子。
Very nice talk. As a TWer, happy to see this conversation. peaceful and honest.
Enjoy and learn a lot from this conversation, thank you Prozzie and Allan, for the interview and also for standing with Taiwan. Thanks a lot!
Thanks for watching!
媽媽74歲、小孩113歲 笑死
正解。
聽這句我就笑❤
她只是純粹沒思考過這個問題而已，雖然是這麼明顯的謊言，不過黨國教什麼她就是信了。😁
是啊！中共黨不覺得自己在自說自話,連一個讀到博士的人上人都可以在從小洗到大的改寫他們腦裏的現實和歷史後,都有如此之成效,更別提同中共黨統治下且認知水平在鄒小姐之下的大批14億中國人了！！難怪大批海外華人和台灣人、民主國家百姓得無語去問蒼天,找蒼天要答案了.....😂😂😂😂....
是啊！中共黨不覺得自己在自說自話,連一個讀到博士的人上人都可以在從小洗到大的改寫他們腦裏的現實和歷史後,都有如此之成效,更別提同中共黨統治下且認知水平在鄒小姐之下的大批14億中國人了！！難怪大批海外華人和台灣人、民主國家百姓得無語去問蒼天,找蒼天要答案了.....😂😂😂😂....
Great discussion. Really interesting to watch because I'm used to Chinese people flipping out on this topic, and Miss Zou was very chill. I think the reason they get so upset is because they're force-fed this idea that "Taiwan is China" from a VERY young age; so when they're confronted with a different opinion it upsets some deeply rooted ideals.
They only know what the CCP wants them to know, they are brainwashed. I'm sure she would have been in trouble if she said anything that went against the CCP narrative on Taiwan.
Hey Prozzie and Allan - Just watched this and found it really refreshing. Your tact and ability to accommodate a difference of opinion are key ingredients that have always been missing from politics. I was learning from this myself - not to get so emotional when talking about these type issues that mean a lot tome. I really enjoyed this mature and balanced conversation. I love Taiwan like you do. I think the pro-China support that we saw in this recent election comes from a place of choosing peace over looming war more than from a place of patriotism to China. I left Taiwan in 2022 for family/career reasons - but I’ll come back and fight in that army any day if they’ll have me.😊
很好玩的談話！
她還是小粉紅，
政治正確是她的生存之道！
可以理解！😂😂
講話小聲溫柔而已，但說出來的文字和小粉紅觀點是一樣的
可以理解牆國人的標配中華思維，就好像為什麼指月亮會被割耳朵一樣，當你有一天去思考這個問題的時候才會知道是謊言。
共慘黨已經是類宗教性質的愛國主義信仰了，這種相當於信仰的宗教教義通常具排他性質，只能一輩子信我其他都是假神假宗教，所以你很難辯證跟他說你相信的說神其實不存在。
你若強行打破他的世界三觀他會活得很痛苦，他意識到他自己活在處門的世界裡，當他又無能改變現實所以有時候會心裡明白但裝著糊塗，在群體裡從眾才是最安全的生活選擇。
@@LiangMiller我老天啊，我感觉你都快被自己感动哭了，你明明写的是人类，结果你硬要扯中共的事、中国的人，需要这样子吗，知识不应该成为你满足私欲的工具啊大哥
I really appreciate this honest conversation. I can see you two ask a lot of hard questions for her to think about and answer to.
I feel for her dilemma, not a lot of people is willing to criticize it’s own country, especially in front of foreigners. And I can see her trying to have an open mindset despite the propaganda fed to her in her up bringing.
The Chinese don't even kniw the true history behind Taiwan and China. When the Japanese attacked China, the communists ran and hid while the ROC decided not to be cowards and fight the Japanese. After the war, the ROC was depleted and that's when the communists came out of hiding and forced the ROC to leave for Taiwan.
Thank you for doing what you are doing Prozzie and Allan. Let’s keep Taiwan free.
Miss Zou is very much an example of the type of Chinese I meet here outside of Taiwan.
Often you know each other for years, become good friends.
And then one day, as if they received a command through the invisible antenna on their head, they look at you coldly and say things like:
"My country owns you"
"Come back to mother land"
"My party will send the PLN and your family on the island of Taiwan will not last an hour"
"By reunifying with China, you will bring ALL us Chinese pride."
I cannot accept that this "friendly" person who claims they want nothing to do with war, politics and negative thoughts, underneath all that was actually thinking to wipe my family off the land that we live on.
I hope Miss Zou can see where the flaws are in this logic. Please do not EVER say that to another Taiwanese person you meet. You wouldn't say that to Canadians. "Canada is such a peaceful country!" - so is Taiwan, we've never wage war against China.
Unless China is somehow afraid?
They’re brain washed since child, super difficult to change their minds, unless they’re abused by it’s own ‘great country and system.
Kudos to Prozzie for willing to touch this sensitive issue in this video
More respect for Miss.Zou for coming on. It's not easy to be in a video that will be shown to people who will most likely disagree with her
€€P ain't even an adopted son to Nationalist Party of ROC lol.. Only a stray boy adopted by its coercion, then the rebel announced to be the master of the family. ROC is the mother still considers her and her siblings as its children. Well, this is the full story of it.XD
it's no sweat off his balls. he's not a subject of Emperor Xi Pooh Ping's PRC/CCP
Kudos to Miss Zou as well she has more to worry about then Prozzie.
Prozzie, it’s really brave to choose this sensitive time, but we really don’t believe the Chinese because too many Taiwanese businessmen went to the mainland enthusiastically at first, but returned to Taiwan in despair. They are just too scary, and their tactics are two-faced. Thanks Prozzie and Allan love Taiwan.❤
I think you're talking about endia..many companies invested there and endia changed the regulations to allow the government to confiscate everything.
@@cashmerecat9269
actually both of these two countries have some aspects in common, at least in these tricks.
全世界不能超越美國，美國更可怕
@@cashmerecat9269 Sounds just like china as well.
@@guu-jingyang3972 Don't forget they have 2.8 billion people between the two countries. That's a huge potential workforce or they can be conscripted to fight as well.
哇，雖然現在才看到這支影片，但收穫很多啊！一直不懂大陸人的腦迴路是怎麼長的，就不像“人類”的思維模式，現在能懂一點了！對於“習禁評能有那麼高的聲望，是得益於宣揚攻占台灣”，這也是通過這次談話才知道的！很感謝兩位主持人對台灣的支持～之前也在“酷”的頻道看到兩位體驗台灣軍人訓練的熱血影片，你們都是最棒的youtuber ！ 繼續支持你們❤～
鄒小姐，應該是很為難的回答了兩位的問題，她的回答不能超出CCP的限制範圍..。
除非她已經完全脫離中國，才有可能回答她真正的想法，這也是一般清醒中國人的痛苦。
是的 你基本上不太可能在任何媒体上看到清醒中国人的真实发言（不是说郑清醒） 成本太高了
对于两岸问题，正常的大陆人的想法和政府是一致的。甚至人民更激进一些。
不要再活在井底了，可悲。
我在外商工作，我一個潤出來的中國同事有稍微提過，在公開場合，或是有錄影，或是有其他中國人在的場所，你一定要支持共產黨，為什麼呢？你人出來了，家裡還有人在中國呢。講到這些他還是很保留，是真的怕。😢
中華民國自由地區上清醒的人也很痛苦。
Make this a series, it's really great.
At 10':53, when Prozzie said " I think you've been told me years ago that it is not China don't want to invate Taiwan but it is because that China is so nice, and so kind that they allow Taiwan to have their own system......to be a good mother (China 自比為台灣的母親?)" I noticed that Allen show his funny smile face.....ha ha !!
When I was a high-school boy, I strongly feel that we "OWN" the whole mainland China, but now....I will rather say that Taiwan is nothing to do with China. Taiwan is simply "Taiwanese Taiwan" and we will fight (at lease "I" will) back whatever it might cost if China try to invate Taiwan.
yeah. And most Taiwanese has nothing to do with China to begin with.
史前時期，台灣有個大肚王國。第一個有系統統治的政權是荷蘭殖民時代。二戰日本戰敗把台灣還給UN。UN老大美國把台灣借給友軍中華民國後 (當時的台灣比中國進步。聽說國民黨軍不懂電梯)，欺壓台灣人至今。
國民黨把日本人趕跑，佔據他們的資產。國民黨欺壓台灣人，逼其接受漢化。國共鳥事，也是因為國民黨來台的關係。台灣人是被 forced 的。
I have heard this from a few people. The idea that Taiwan claims China is kind of dated now and Taiwanese people just want to be left alone
@@Prozzie I'm so glad to have your valuable comments and responses, I think that the reason of Taiwanese are moving futher and futher away from China as the result of the Chinese goverment's hostility and the ambitions for annexation towards Taiwan, especially after Xi-Jin-Ping taking power.
中國那麼kind 怎麼不讓香港過她自己的system. If china were so kind, why did Xi not allow HK to get along with her own system.
@@xiaomayxie3238虛偽的kind🤮
Really touched when Prozzie said “our country” when he meant Taiwan. And I don’t know if I can be as brave to stay in Taiwan when there’s war, even I’m a Taiwanese. 😂
no one know. that's why a little older taiwanese choice to follow the superficial peace to avoid war.
我個人覺得鄒小姐要好好想想誰是真正的祖先。才不會導致後續不好經驗喔！😊她的中國歷史非常顛倒的。為什麼無法給中國人工作要看他們找的是什麼，如果找的工作是老師、律師以及醫生的話主要是因為制度教育不同。而且中國時常宣傳要入侵臺灣。對你們嚴格也是應該。不嚴格的話我一定會去連署去拔政府官員職務。我們是融合的社會，臺灣也不完全有漢人這個民族。你們讀的歷史可能參雜許多謊言跟外面歷史是對不上的。
非常讚同觀點❤
很棒的一集！！
You guys are awesome, thanks for what you’ve done and what you’ll do.
Allen 的表情變化真是有趣，我因此又看了第二次 😂😂
想到戰爭就想哭，想到有一個大國要強迫我們納入他們的領土，卻讓我不能忍受，誰會希望有個打你又要抱住束縛你的國家，還美其名說是我們的母親，雖然不可否認在文化&血脈裡，我們是如此的接近，但就算是母親也沒道理不讓人長大獨立吧！何況要論母親也應該中華民國是母系，中華人民共和國是子女吧！
唐山過台灣只有唐山公無唐山母 我們的母親是台灣平埔族
她用「中國是母親，台灣是兒子」來比喻「兩個土地間的關係」或者「兩個土地上的人民的關係」， 這個在西方的民主體制是視為「專制體制的一種思維」。
中共國跟台灣是真的沒有關係，不管歷史、文化、任何地方，它們現在年輕人看見的，其實反而是中華民國，台灣這邊回傳回去的。
@@moneytalk168 並沒有
日本殖民時期人類學學者實地來台考證發現
當時中國人和台灣人通婚情況非常稀有不普遍
大清時期同是中國人都會互相嫌棄了漳泉械鬥閩客械鬥
中國人歧視台灣人當時是屬於正常觀念
所以才有平埔族大遷徒和吃番膏的風俗
@@趙昱諺 還有大清帝國阿
聽到兩位說戰爭也要留下來把台灣所經歷的紀錄起來給所有人看
不管是為了流量還是發自內心
都很感動
謝謝你們有這樣的想法
但我們都不希望這天的到來
希望所有在台灣土地上生活的人們都不用經歷戰爭的殘酷
What moved me most about this interview was the love the two of them had for Taiwan❤❤. Not only does Taiwan not want war, but the world wants peace, which is the best for mankind. Everyone can be so happy, watch TH-cam and enjoy life.
這部影片讓我感覺Alan和Prozzie已經認同台灣成為我們的兩位同胞了。
那位小姐受到了從小的教育，所以她的認知有很大部份是和共產黨同步的，這不能怪她，但如果已經在海外生活那麼久的時間卻還是保留一樣的看法，那可能也沒有那麼的無辜，台灣人對於中國人不會不認識就抱持敵對態度，不過稍微談過就能知道有沒有可能和這個人分享理念，很顯然這一位是不及格的。
我在美国30几年了。待的时间越长，觉得中国统一台湾的合理性越大。
@@sjsupa 你可以說明一下你所謂的合理性嗎？
@@SHAUNREDWING 美国南北统一有多合理，中国统一台湾就有多合理。美国南方也不过是想要一个不同的制度而已。
美国取得夏威夷有多合理，中国统一台湾就有双倍的合理性。毕竟夏威夷“自古以来”都跟美国没半毛钱关系。
@@SHAUNREDWING 再加一句好了。在台湾的福建人把原住民从平原赶走有多合理，中国统一台湾就有多合理。
@@sjsupa 依此論斷.那美國統一中國更具合理性.中日戰爭是美國打贏的.
我在幼教業，我們有位小朋友爸爸，也是對岸博士也在台灣公司上班，奶奶再從大陸過來看孫子，都要向國家申請才能出國。
你去大陆也得申请
@@lukeliu5765去別人國家簽證很正常，但在中國是，你出國你要先向自己國家申請，你們就不覺得奇怪嗎？
@@悲鳴奴隸ラフタリア你办护照是找别的国家办？你办台胞证是向别的国家办？
非常有意義的一集，在台灣很難看到這麼真實的對談!!!
a son who is older than his mother😂
country = party ?????>?
😂😂😂
Thank you for discussing this issue
" 又來看__了，廢話不多說趕緊先按個讚 "
請注意，上面那個留言是終國的AI機器人，
專門通知小紅來監控新住民網紅，請勿任意按讚，
按讚數越多，會引來越多小紅騷擾！
This is great, deserves to be more widely watched.
Thanks to Prozzie and Allan & Miss Zhou for making the great video!
Wow, these two guys are so 'knowledgeable' about everything and anything!
Loved Allen’s expression at 10:54😂😂😂
Love this type of content! I love the question you guys come up with. Its incrediblily difficult to find a Chinese person would talk about Taiwan openly and calmly. I have lots of Chinese friends and I had been looking for content about how to convince to a Chinese to accept the idea of Taiwan independence. For most of them have been living in the states for 20+ years, its still almost impossible to help them turn against the CCP and support Taiwan. ❤ Thanks!
我支持你，但你需要先建立一个国家啊，独立的领土，人民和宪法啊。光说不练，想支持你也没办法。
Prozzie 和艾倫愛護台灣的心 令人動容!!!!
作影片愛護了什麼？很賺錢誒。
能夠這樣開放理性的討論真好，雖然尚未有共識，但彼此尊重💛
其實若要討論到事情的本質程度的話，說台灣是中國的一部分這句話就很不尊重台灣人了，說年紀比較大的中華民國是年紀比較小的中華人民共和國的兒子，也是很不尊重人，從頭到尾並沒有把台灣人跟中國人平等看到，是用看低的角度，就像他們對香港人也是相同的，雖然我們知道這是這國家的人的"習慣"，但並不會認同他們這種價值觀點
@@ElsaLinn 这只能说明中共的教育非常成功。我们从小就唱一首非常恶心的歌：“天大地大不如党的恩情大，爹亲娘亲不如毛主席亲”，一直被这样教育下，大多数人都会没能力思考，看清事物。不知道她在中国以外的地方生活了多久。
@@ElsaLinn 但是他有在學習 他只是把從出生到現在接收到的資訊說出來 他是聰明人 他們倆個外國人就是第三方 及第四方 他更會思考為何他國是這麼說!
@@ElsaLinn拉倒吧，大陆人基本还是高看你们了，而且台湾香港人才是看低大陆人。
@@ElsaLinn 认真给你解答下！两岸开始谈统一问题时，兄弟相称，初期还能谈，所以有了九二共识。但后面台湾当局蹬鼻子上脸，不断提条件，其实就是不想统一，故意找借口设门槛。惠台政策十几年，让利给台湾，结果让台湾觉得自己很棒棒，到最后态度恶劣，拉外部势力参与壮胆，这就不可能是兄弟谈判了，既然台湾当局没诚意，给脸不要脸，那就硬碰硬，打疼了不要叫。 如果这些过程都不知道，还天天无脑的在大陆人面前喊委屈，大陆欺负台湾，实在是恶心！大陆给了足够的尊重给台湾人，但台湾留给大陆的白眼狼一个！
Amazing show today Prozzie & Allen. It’s interesting to hear from different sides. I wish one day there will be more awareness in China. Being outside of China and exposed to more information doesn’t seem to have significant impact on most Chinese abroad. Perhaps it’s related to the upbringing perhaps is fear?
謝謝！
prozzie你是道地的台灣人了，我感到很榮幸！
It is a difficult topic to engage with friends regardless of which side you stand on. People have different understanding of the history and what actually happened, what was given to the education and background. I grow up in Taiwan with very little of understanding of Taiwanese history my self. I have to actively research and comprehend in my best abilities and at the same time to understand the date I found. Does it stand along as nurtural or does it has it’s own agenda? Thank you Prozzie for making such interesting videos, very empowering what u and Allan says in the end about stand along with Taiwan if the war does happen. Don’t think Many Taiwanese will even dare to speak like that.
很棒的對話．但作為台灣人，完全不想跟香港澳門一樣甚至是當初的藏族與至今新疆維族的生活，也不想過中國人那樣被灌輸思想，限制言論，過著沒有民主，被當韭菜的生活．
如果中國有天想不開決定入侵台灣，那為了我的家人、朋友、鄰居與我生活的民主社會，自己的國家自己守護是必定的．屆時，定有機會在海岸防衛線，在城市巷戰中告訴來犯敵軍，什麼是台灣人．
台湾是什么样的人我们早就知道了，日据时期，日本在台湾大屠杀，结果很多台湾人把日本人当爹，甚至还有很多少要改成日本人的姓。
中國人自己也不想那樣生活，所以才會潤，權貴才會把子孫早早送出去拿其他國家護照，習的親戚一整串也都是外國護照.（美國+澳洲） 他們無法雙重國籍的.
我们也要告诉大家，任何借口都不是分裂国和家的金科铁律，人要为自己的事情负责，哪怕这个人平时喜欢猫猫狗狗、热心帮助老人家过马路……
我只知道祖国必须统一，如果发生战争，我愿意捐钱或上战场！别说我被洗脑谢谢
@user-st5xj2dr4g 閱讀能力有問題？
I almost crying.
As a Taiwanese,I’m so appreciative this video when two foreigners said they love Taiwan and truly believe it’s an independent country.
I love you guys.
And thank you miss 鄒！
Even though we are on different pages ,you still show your gentle and peaceful.
謝謝妳即便與我們立場相左，依舊保持著溫和的態度來面對這個議題。
真是無法不愛你們兩位，今天的影片真的暖心，不是那個諷刺的“暖心”😄
Really want to send her Taiwanese history book.
@suhuiyeh You mean a Taiwan history book that says there is a Chinese Civil War between PRC and ROC? Civil war meaning war within the SAME country?
In grade school in Canada, in federal schools (as the child of a soldier), I didn't know there was an issue. Taiwan was treated as another nation like any other but the common heritage was taught in the same way as France was mentioned when discussing the province of Quebec in Canada or Britain was mentioned when discussing Australia, for example.
issue is there is no nation call Taiwan. Taiwan under it own constitution call Taiwan a province, the government control territory outside of Taiwan including in the mainland.
Good job, you guys! I am a Taiwanese. I'm touched by your expressions of how much you like and feel about Taiwan and Taiwanese people! Love it!
兩方都是理性的溝通，交換想法，很棒
鄒小姐算理性了, 我遇過相當有侵略性、挑釁的中國人...我覺得那種人是無法溝通的. 因為他們根本不知道實際的狀況. 也無法接受台灣有自己的政權、貨幣、軍隊. 雖然語言相同, 卻有相當大的文化差異