Instead of ad reads, my channel is funded directly by people passionate about the Great Books. Help me keep making more episodes with a paid subscription: johnathanbi.com Some links to further guide your study: * Join my email list to be notified of future episodes: greatbooks.io * Full transcript: www.johnathanbi.com/p/transcript-for-fred-neuhouser-interview Companion lectures & interviews: * Rousseau's first discourse lecture: th-cam.com/video/C8ucJ29O1kM/w-d-xo.html Professor Neuhouser's Book on Amour-Propre (affiliate): * Rousseau as Author: amzn.to/3LdOoqd * My book notes: www.johnathanbi.com/p/rousseaus-theodicy-of-self-love-by TIMESTAMPS 00:00:00 0. Introduction 00:02:23 1. Why We Desire External Validation 00:16:24 2. How the Desire for Validation Leads us Astray 00:37:38 3. The Dangers of Chasing Wealth 00:48:02 4. Why the Desire for Validation is a GOOD Thing 00:57:13 5. Stoicism: Can We Renounce the Desire for Validation? 01:10:20 6. Is Madness Necessary for Greatness? 01:16:38 7. How to Manage the Desire for Validation in Our Children
@@bi.johnathan I understand ur decision! Still, this really is very valuable. Simply because the pursuit of fulfillment can only truly be accomplished by having a deeper understanding of our own feelings and behaviors. Much of the popular "self help" works out there tend to actively deny the reality of human nature in favor of what human nature "ought" to be and it is really frustrating indeed.
@@bi.johnathanGiven I certainly enjoy your videos I’m curious if you could expand by what this specific type of person you are catering to is so I may possibly learn something about myself.
Im half this video and wondering: where the hell have you been all this time? Jesus dude you are GOOD. Nice to see quality content, you gained a subscriber!
Thanks Johnathan, While I'm watching this video, I'm in the lowest point of my self esteem, I ran my own start-up in my country(Iraq) and before that I had a good salary and good position, but I wasn't happy, becuase I felt like I deserve a better country to live, last year I moved to Germany, I started again, now I'm working a part time job and studying, and again I'm not happy, I feel like invisible and I don't feel the same status and respect that I had in my country, I hope that once again I will climb the ladder and achieve the same status and self respect in my new life, but one thing that I did in last couples of month is understanding myself through Philosophy.
Hey Mhammad, thanks for writing and sharing. Sounds a lot like when I got into philosophy. It was THE low point of my life: failed startup, relationship troubles. It was only through that experience that I realized how necessary philosophy was to help me live a better life. So, in the long run, it was a blessing in disguise. Without the pain and frustration I don't think I would have been nearly desperate enough to spend time reading those difficult old books that everyone was telling me I should read. So i hope philosophy can console you in your current struggles now and that you will walk out of this period with a lifelong appreciation for these books.
ChatGPT answer to how to domesticate your amor prop: Domesticating or managing amor prop (the desire for recognition and esteem from others) involves several strategies aimed at fostering a healthy balance between external validation and intrinsic self-worth: 1. **Cultivate Intrinsic Motivations:** Encourage activities and pursuits that foster genuine interest and passion in individuals. This can include hobbies, creative endeavors, and learning experiences that provide intrinsic satisfaction rather than relying solely on external praise. 2. **Promote Self-Awareness:** Help individuals develop a strong sense of self-awareness and self-reflection. This includes understanding personal strengths and weaknesses, values, and goals beyond external expectations. 3. **Encourage Self-Compassion:** Foster a mindset of self-compassion and acceptance. Teach individuals to be kind to themselves, especially in moments of failure or criticism, recognizing that self-worth is not solely dependent on external validation. 4. **Focus on Personal Growth:** Shift the emphasis from comparing oneself to others towards personal growth and improvement. Encourage setting realistic goals and celebrating progress based on individual achievements rather than external benchmarks. 5. **Teach Resilience:** Help individuals build resilience to setbacks and criticism. This involves developing coping strategies, problem-solving skills, and maintaining a positive outlook even in challenging situations. 6. **Support Authentic Relationships:** Encourage meaningful connections based on genuine mutual respect and understanding rather than superficial admiration or validation-seeking behaviors. 7. **Role Modeling and Guidance:** Provide positive role models and mentors who demonstrate healthy self-esteem and balanced relationships with recognition and validation. By integrating these approaches, individuals can develop a more balanced and resilient sense of self-esteem that incorporates both intrinsic motivations and healthy social interactions, thereby domesticating amor prop in a constructive manner.
Hey, I felt like I had to comment how much I appreciate and valued this discussion. I've been struggling with this topic of self-esteem, esteem in general, and "love" as described by a lot of people and sources in society. I guess I've realized that defining things is extremely important in my mind haha. But this video gave me so much relief and catharsis and a sense of this being true that it overwhelmed me to tears actually. I often feel a lot of interal conflict about many things largely because of this sense of insecurity about my own perspective and judgments and it often is very isolating and hard to overcome but at the same time I recognized that "not caring what others think" can be a very bad thing. So this discussion felt like all of my judgments were being validated(ironic I know), and it's not just the feeling of validation that's the point but I feel like you've articulated my reasons for feeling this view of the desire for validation is appropriate and right. Basically, now I feel that I can go on "strongly caring about what others think" with a better understanding, an understanding I've been desperate for for a long time now, so thank you.
Thanks for the note! Your experience mirrored my own discovering Prof. Neuhouser's work. But keep in mind this isn't a license to be addicted to external validation but hopefully a starting point to think about what types of external validation is healthy.
Hello Johnathan, ohh my goodness how do you achieve such levels of concentration? The way you phrase and rephrase the other party wordings after he is done talking without getting out of the brackets is absolutely genius. Infact the other party admits at some point "that is what I was trying to say" says a lot of how good you are at paying attention. I am truly honored to cross path with you through your inspiring videos in this lifetime. Much love from Kenya, Africa.
Dear Mr. Johnathan, Thank you so much for this interview. You are so authentic and make such important questions and give the interviewer enough time to explain his point that it's mesmerizing... thank you.
I just want to say I am part of the people who watch the videos without subscribing. The day I will subscribe, TH-cam will stop showing me your videos. I noticed this from other channels I subscribe to. I like hearing your perception and that of your guest and when I hear something different from how i think or thought or understood a concept I go back to read and check. I am not a philosophy or psychology student. I study biology but philosophy is a passion i have kept since high school.
Excellent and much needed. Can’t help but frame this as one of the main ideas underlying current sociopolitical divide in US. Hearing him go back on his initial caution to not discuss Elon speaks volumes.
I can’t wait to see this amazing channel gain more traction. Your work is hidden gold waiting to be mined. I’m excited for the future content that awaits us viewers.
Fred at 48:54 talks about not really grasping one sided love. I would like to interject here as a believer that "All love is unrequited." Our love is never really mutually equivalent, nor can it be. When we are attracted to someone, it is because they are different from us (though the similarities keep us together). This difference in personality, world experience, ect. actually gives us different frameworks of what is worthy of love. This is also why many people find truly loving themselves and being self satisfied to be difficult, and can love others who can be found lacking in self love. These people do not love themselves, and this is why they have a need for validation. But from the framework of the other person, we have every reason to be loved. Two entities with complementary frameworks both feeling unloved and yet loving each other. So really love is a matter of perspectives and value systems. This being the case, you will not really love someone for the same reasons that they love you, as you are different perspectives looking at and for different things. Now to the idea of loving passionately someone who does not reciprocate, this is not at all a unique experience. But I think there's truth in understanding that your desire to have external validation is a failure to self validate your own expressions. For example: Imagine someone who has just realized they are intensely in love with someone, so they prepare to reach out and show love. Ultimately, the odds of any given person being attracted you have to do with where you fall on the spectrum of cultural values in your community, but where any individual person puts you can be hard to say indeed unless you know them well. And then, you simply may not be their type. They still love you, but not in a romantic way. With that in mind, why should you be upset that someone rejects you when you didn't meet the qualifications of their ultimately arbitrary preferences hard-wired genetically into their body, which they have no control over. If you truly love someone, shouldn't you be happy for them as long as they are happy, regardless of where you are in relation to them? Is not the desire that you are the object of their affections a truly selfish act? I believe that amour propre truly is a selfish form of love, whereas amour de soi is truly beautiful and necessary for the appreciation of life. That being said, many an individual does in fact desire to be loved very selfishly. They desire this intense jealousy. Is not jealousy simply an imaginary contract you write with the world? Then when the world violates this contract you are upset with it. This is why it is very important to understand and clearly express the rules you are making through both word and action. If you have not yet spoken with someone about the kind of contract you wish to have with them, how can you be upset when they violate this? They never agreed. Therefore, I advise that it is the most beautiful thing to love and to expect nothing in return. To shower with love all who come across you with unselfish love, helping them to achieve their amour de soi, not because they deserve it, but because you desire to be a beautiful person. In this way you satisfy your own desires for love with yourself. Or whatever sort of person you think would be ideal, you should become that person. Because that is the identity congruence that results in truly absolute self love that requires no external validation. This is not to say that external validation is a bad thing, rather that it is something to help you calibrate your desires and gauge the value of your goals and actions within your community. So it has merit indeed and is a beautiful tool to be used. But it should not be the end all be all. It is merely a way for you to calibrate the way that you truly feel happiness, and that is through self validation. The idea that your actions were beautiful and worthy of love in their own right, regardless of what anyone else thinks or feels. Therefore, you love yourself.
Brilliant conversation, gentlemen. I imagine that somewhere out there, there is a group of philosophy students hyping this video series.…or, perhaps creating a drinking game when anyone says “ amour propre”.
That’s a big difference/leap from computer science to philosophy. Keep up the good work, I love philosophy as well, but exploring different approaches to ideas 💡 🤷🏾♂️💯
Thanks it was the Berlin Altes Museum. They were kind enough to let us use it for free. Although to be frank I think that this venue lacks intimacy and the audio came out pretty echo-y so will do more library settings going forward.
Brilliant conversation, gentlemen. I imagine that somewhere out there, there is a group of philosophy students hyping this.. and maybe creating a drinking game when anyone says the words “ amour prop”.
I kept thinking he said “animal prop”.. Ah, "amour-propre," the fancy French way of saying "self-love" or "self-esteem." It's like your ego but with a beret and a baguette. Here's the deal: - **Amour-propre** isn't just about loving yourself; it's about taking pride in your own value, which can sometimes lead to taking things a bit too personally. - Imagine if your ego was a character in a soap opera. That's amour-propre, always dramatic, a tad self-absorbed, but ultimately just looking for validation in a world that's too busy to care about its latest existential crisis. - In the grand scheme of things, while it's healthy to have some, too much of it, and you might find yourself in a philosophical duel with your own shadow, arguing who's the real you. So, maintain it like you would a garden; too little attention and it withers, too much and it becomes a jungle of pride. Balance is key, or as the French might say, "C'est la vie."
wrt "worship wealth" at 41: et seq Money is the alienated essence of man's labor and life; and this alien essence dominates him as he worships it.” ― Karl Marx, Capital: A Critique of Political Economy Volume 1
Propre can have a few different meanings, including clean, but in this case it means something along the lines of self. In common language amour-propre, therefore, means self-love, elf-esteem or even vanity.
I think that Nietzsche put all of his faith in gaining the recognition of the philosophers of the future over the people in his time. He sacrificed his body and mind because that recognition was more important than his body in this life. I think that this is what he admired in Jesus. Nietzsche in this light is like the philosopher version of Jesus.
The premise of your argument on receiving external validation or not for self-merit is binary, which makes it incompatible with reality. External validation should be viewed on a continuum (lifespan), not discretely. For instance, if you received enough validation on xyz ability as a child, you don’t necessitate it as an adult, to any extent of, in order to not go mad or be narcisistic. While I appreciate your historicism philosophical deep dives, I think you would benefit by taking an accredited course in logic. Otherwise you will make a claim like that, in the essence of Rousseau or otherwise, and simply have a misidentified antecedent
I agree with you that the relationship is like a reservoir model - that is across a life. But where did we suggest otherwise. The claim was never “you constantly need external validation to sustain self-esteem.” In fact, that’s what Neuhouser is getting at with his example of having received recognition early in his career such that the possible rejection of his essay will not be devastating.
Perhaps inflamed amour-propre doesn't create greatness but creates a "handle" or "identity" around which greatness can be recognized. E.g. given our technological advancement, it's very likely that we'd always eventually get online shopping, electric cars, smartphones, AI, nuclear weapons, etc... Just not with the specific brand name and individuals that we currently associate with them. That is, like the "ego" or the self-awareness that gets in the way of flow states, it's a distracting desire to take credit for "me" for a result that would have happened wu-wei-esque regardless of "my" intervention
Bro each one of your content is good but I think you need to up the YT Marketing / Thumbnail game. Just a tiny example-- some of your thumbnails has those thin cursive fonts that makes it hard to read, and it puts me off a little bit, but when I click the content is wonderful. Makes me sad you can't really reach the number of the audience that I know you deserve.
So if thru no fault of your own, your thrown into an environment where your recognized bt no one, then what are you? Nothing I guess. And if your an asshole and thats a good thing in the environment and you get recognition for that, then you have high selfcesteem.
Neuhouser’s theory that war is better for the environment than capitalism is comical in that it completely ignores technological advancement and escalation. Yes capitalism drives modern technological advancement but even today a great deal of technological innovation spawns from military research. To assume the bomb would not have existed without capitalism is too simple. We may have taken a different path to its discovery but the science is foundational. In such a world where conquest was still in such high regard, would there be the same restraint with regard to nuclear annihilation? Even in a non-nuclear world, war is plenty destructive. I found it hopelessly “Academic” for him to make this argument.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00:00 0. Introduction
00:02:23 1. Why We Desire External Validation
00:16:24 2. How the Desire for Validation Leads us Astray
00:37:38 3. The Dangers of Chasing Wealth
00:48:02 4. Why the Desire for Validation is a GOOD Thing
00:57:13 5. Stoicism: Can We Renounce the Desire for Validation?
01:10:20 6. Is Madness Necessary for Greatness?
01:16:38 7. How to Manage the Desire for Validation in Our Children
this channel is the testament to the statement "popular =/= good". Such high quality content and its a shame no one else is watching this.
I made the conscious decision to cater to a very specific type of person. I’d rather reach 1 “right” person than 1000 others
@@bi.johnathan I understand ur decision! Still, this really is very valuable. Simply because the pursuit of fulfillment can only truly be accomplished by having a deeper understanding of our own feelings and behaviors. Much of the popular "self help" works out there tend to actively deny the reality of human nature in favor of what human nature "ought" to be and it is really frustrating indeed.
@@bi.johnathanGiven I certainly enjoy your videos I’m curious if you could expand by what this specific type of person you are catering to is so I may possibly learn something about myself.
This guy literally said "hold up, let me pullup to mount olympus real quick for my next video" 🔥
Im half this video and wondering: where the hell have you been all this time? Jesus dude you are GOOD. Nice to see quality content, you gained a subscriber!
These philosophical discussions are a tour de force. Love it especially when its relatable and about human nature.
Thanks Johnathan, While I'm watching this video, I'm in the lowest point of my self esteem, I ran my own start-up in my country(Iraq) and before that I had a good salary and good position, but I wasn't happy, becuase I felt like I deserve a better country to live, last year I moved to Germany, I started again, now I'm working a part time job and studying, and again I'm not happy, I feel like invisible and I don't feel the same status and respect that I had in my country, I hope that once again I will climb the ladder and achieve the same status and self respect in my new life, but one thing that I did in last couples of month is understanding myself through Philosophy.
Don't ever,EVER give up...be strong, stay strong 💪
Hey Mhammad, thanks for writing and sharing. Sounds a lot like when I got into philosophy. It was THE low point of my life: failed startup, relationship troubles. It was only through that experience that I realized how necessary philosophy was to help me live a better life. So, in the long run, it was a blessing in disguise. Without the pain and frustration I don't think I would have been nearly desperate enough to spend time reading those difficult old books that everyone was telling me I should read. So i hope philosophy can console you in your current struggles now and that you will walk out of this period with a lifelong appreciation for these books.
ChatGPT answer to how to domesticate your amor prop:
Domesticating or managing amor prop (the desire for recognition and esteem from others) involves several strategies aimed at fostering a healthy balance between external validation and intrinsic self-worth:
1. **Cultivate Intrinsic Motivations:** Encourage activities and pursuits that foster genuine interest and passion in individuals. This can include hobbies, creative endeavors, and learning experiences that provide intrinsic satisfaction rather than relying solely on external praise.
2. **Promote Self-Awareness:** Help individuals develop a strong sense of self-awareness and self-reflection. This includes understanding personal strengths and weaknesses, values, and goals beyond external expectations.
3. **Encourage Self-Compassion:** Foster a mindset of self-compassion and acceptance. Teach individuals to be kind to themselves, especially in moments of failure or criticism, recognizing that self-worth is not solely dependent on external validation.
4. **Focus on Personal Growth:** Shift the emphasis from comparing oneself to others towards personal growth and improvement. Encourage setting realistic goals and celebrating progress based on individual achievements rather than external benchmarks.
5. **Teach Resilience:** Help individuals build resilience to setbacks and criticism. This involves developing coping strategies, problem-solving skills, and maintaining a positive outlook even in challenging situations.
6. **Support Authentic Relationships:** Encourage meaningful connections based on genuine mutual respect and understanding rather than superficial admiration or validation-seeking behaviors.
7. **Role Modeling and Guidance:** Provide positive role models and mentors who demonstrate healthy self-esteem and balanced relationships with recognition and validation.
By integrating these approaches, individuals can develop a more balanced and resilient sense of self-esteem that incorporates both intrinsic motivations and healthy social interactions, thereby domesticating amor prop in a constructive manner.
@@gettoknowyourselfbetter.wo2362 "amor prop" lol
Hey, I felt like I had to comment how much I appreciate and valued this discussion. I've been struggling with this topic of self-esteem, esteem in general, and "love" as described by a lot of people and sources in society. I guess I've realized that defining things is extremely important in my mind haha. But this video gave me so much relief and catharsis and a sense of this being true that it overwhelmed me to tears actually. I often feel a lot of interal conflict about many things largely because of this sense of insecurity about my own perspective and judgments and it often is very isolating and hard to overcome but at the same time I recognized that "not caring what others think" can be a very bad thing. So this discussion felt like all of my judgments were being validated(ironic I know), and it's not just the feeling of validation that's the point but I feel like you've articulated my reasons for feeling this view of the desire for validation is appropriate and right. Basically, now I feel that I can go on "strongly caring about what others think" with a better understanding, an understanding I've been desperate for for a long time now, so thank you.
Thanks for the note! Your experience mirrored my own discovering Prof. Neuhouser's work. But keep in mind this isn't a license to be addicted to external validation but hopefully a starting point to think about what types of external validation is healthy.
I needed this today. Thank you for creating this content. It has helped me. ❤
Hello Johnathan, ohh my goodness how do you achieve such levels of concentration? The way you phrase and rephrase the other party wordings after he is done talking without getting out of the brackets is absolutely genius. Infact the other party admits at some point "that is what I was trying to say" says a lot of how good you are at paying attention.
I am truly honored to cross path with you through your inspiring videos in this lifetime.
Much love from Kenya, Africa.
thanks for the kind words, I've probably read prof. Neuhouser's book 10+ times now so I'm afraid its repetition rather than genius.
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Dear Mr. Johnathan,
Thank you so much for this interview. You are so authentic and make such important questions and give the interviewer enough time to explain his point that it's mesmerizing... thank you.
Keep up the good work. Have been enjoying your lectures and interviews very much.
I just want to say I am part of the people who watch the videos without subscribing. The day I will subscribe, TH-cam will stop showing me your videos. I noticed this from other channels I subscribe to.
I like hearing your perception and that of your guest and when I hear something different from how i think or thought or understood a concept I go back to read and check. I am not a philosophy or psychology student. I study biology but philosophy is a passion i have kept since high school.
Excellent and much needed. Can’t help but frame this as one of the main ideas underlying current sociopolitical divide in US. Hearing him go back on his initial caution to not discuss Elon speaks volumes.
I can’t wait to see this amazing channel gain more traction. Your work is hidden gold waiting to be mined. I’m excited for the future content that awaits us viewers.
Can't wait for you to see it what's coming down the pipeline.
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As a leader, I find this talk the insight I didn't know I needed. Amazing work!
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Commenting on 40k followers cause this channel is about to blow up
I am even in shock to see 43k now, because last two weeks was just less that 20k...
It's really going to blow up...
Commenting at 58k. I predict 100k by next month and 1 million in the next year
I wish you would make more 5-10 minute videos for quick digestion
Love this work, thank you
Fred at 48:54 talks about not really grasping one sided love. I would like to interject here as a believer that "All love is unrequited." Our love is never really mutually equivalent, nor can it be. When we are attracted to someone, it is because they are different from us (though the similarities keep us together). This difference in personality, world experience, ect. actually gives us different frameworks of what is worthy of love. This is also why many people find truly loving themselves and being self satisfied to be difficult, and can love others who can be found lacking in self love.
These people do not love themselves, and this is why they have a need for validation. But from the framework of the other person, we have every reason to be loved. Two entities with complementary frameworks both feeling unloved and yet loving each other. So really love is a matter of perspectives and value systems.
This being the case, you will not really love someone for the same reasons that they love you, as you are different perspectives looking at and for different things.
Now to the idea of loving passionately someone who does not reciprocate, this is not at all a unique experience. But I think there's truth in understanding that your desire to have external validation is a failure to self validate your own expressions.
For example: Imagine someone who has just realized they are intensely in love with someone, so they prepare to reach out and show love. Ultimately, the odds of any given person being attracted you have to do with where you fall on the spectrum of cultural values in your community, but where any individual person puts you can be hard to say indeed unless you know them well. And then, you simply may not be their type. They still love you, but not in a romantic way. With that in mind, why should you be upset that someone rejects you when you didn't meet the qualifications of their ultimately arbitrary preferences hard-wired genetically into their body, which they have no control over.
If you truly love someone, shouldn't you be happy for them as long as they are happy, regardless of where you are in relation to them? Is not the desire that you are the object of their affections a truly selfish act? I believe that amour propre truly is a selfish form of love, whereas amour de soi is truly beautiful and necessary for the appreciation of life. That being said, many an individual does in fact desire to be loved very selfishly. They desire this intense jealousy.
Is not jealousy simply an imaginary contract you write with the world? Then when the world violates this contract you are upset with it. This is why it is very important to understand and clearly express the rules you are making through both word and action. If you have not yet spoken with someone about the kind of contract you wish to have with them, how can you be upset when they violate this? They never agreed.
Therefore, I advise that it is the most beautiful thing to love and to expect nothing in return. To shower with love all who come across you with unselfish love, helping them to achieve their amour de soi, not because they deserve it, but because you desire to be a beautiful person. In this way you satisfy your own desires for love with yourself. Or whatever sort of person you think would be ideal, you should become that person. Because that is the identity congruence that results in truly absolute self love that requires no external validation.
This is not to say that external validation is a bad thing, rather that it is something to help you calibrate your desires and gauge the value of your goals and actions within your community. So it has merit indeed and is a beautiful tool to be used. But it should not be the end all be all. It is merely a way for you to calibrate the way that you truly feel happiness, and that is through self validation. The idea that your actions were beautiful and worthy of love in their own right, regardless of what anyone else thinks or feels. Therefore, you love yourself.
Don’t stop! These are so helpful and compelling 👏🏽👏🏽🙏🏽
Brilliant conversation, gentlemen. I imagine that somewhere out there, there is a group of philosophy students hyping this video series.…or, perhaps creating a drinking game when anyone says “ amour propre”.
Disclaimer: not responsible for alcohol poisoning
Im figuratively in love with all your work
excellent stuff! gone use it to teach my son
A rather impressive podcast setting to say the least...
I went through the video hearing Amour-Prop and have no idea what that meant, overall very insightful video and conversation
Great content
That’s a big difference/leap from computer science to philosophy. Keep up the good work, I love philosophy as well, but exploring different approaches to ideas 💡 🤷🏾♂️💯
Erich Fromm NEXT! Great Content. Thank you!
The venue ❤
Thanks it was the Berlin Altes Museum. They were kind enough to let us use it for free. Although to be frank I think that this venue lacks intimacy and the audio came out pretty echo-y so will do more library settings going forward.
@@bi.johnathan the echo was fine and added to the depth of what was being discussed imo
@@SS-kg8rj haha thanks. glad someone at least likes it
Great rooms Jonathan!
I’m really happy you did more books [= Thank you 😊
Also waiting for your videos on power!!
Brilliant conversation, gentlemen. I imagine that somewhere out there, there is a group of philosophy students hyping this.. and maybe creating a drinking game when anyone says the words “ amour prop”.
Hello from Nepal
You got a new subscriber
I think you should have a discussion like this with Hamza Tzortzis or Mohammed Hijab.
Great stuff!
I kept thinking he said “animal prop”..
Ah, "amour-propre," the fancy French way of saying "self-love" or "self-esteem." It's like your ego but with a beret and a baguette. Here's the deal:
- **Amour-propre** isn't just about loving yourself; it's about taking pride in your own value, which can sometimes lead to taking things a bit too personally.
- Imagine if your ego was a character in a soap opera. That's amour-propre, always dramatic, a tad self-absorbed, but ultimately just looking for validation in a world that's too busy to care about its latest existential crisis.
- In the grand scheme of things, while it's healthy to have some, too much of it, and you might find yourself in a philosophical duel with your own shadow, arguing who's the real you.
So, maintain it like you would a garden; too little attention and it withers, too much and it becomes a jungle of pride. Balance is key, or as the French might say, "C'est la vie."
I like ur video
are those Ikea chairs? why? its such a beautiful setting. the discussion is delightful also.
15:44 is a very good point! It is not good for man to be alone
I am curious to know what your thoughts are on Osho?
wrt "worship wealth" at 41: et seq
Money is the alienated essence of man's labor and life; and this alien essence dominates him as he worships it.”
― Karl Marx, Capital: A Critique of Political Economy Volume 1
Excellent work. Mind my asking, what’s your goal here @Johnnathan? This certainly isn’t just some 10k from TH-cam
To read these books and have these conversations is the reward in itself
The words Amour-Propre means Love-Clean or pure love in a sense. What Rousseau defines as pure love or amour-propre is the question 🤔
Propre can have a few different meanings, including clean, but in this case it means something along the lines of self. In common language amour-propre, therefore, means self-love, elf-esteem or even vanity.
Was this venue necessary? lol Great video and content
I think that Nietzsche put all of his faith in gaining the recognition of the philosophers of the future over the people in his time. He sacrificed his body and mind because that recognition was more important than his body in this life.
I think that this is what he admired in Jesus. Nietzsche in this light is like the philosopher version of Jesus.
Do you think that Diogenes needed external validation.
this is columbia correeeee
He speaks just like Peter thiel
Wow nice scenery . But Give the poor guy a glass of water.
The premise of your argument on receiving external validation or not for self-merit is binary, which makes it incompatible with reality. External validation should be viewed on a continuum (lifespan), not discretely. For instance, if you received enough validation on xyz ability as a child, you don’t necessitate it as an adult, to any extent of, in order to not go mad or be narcisistic.
While I appreciate your historicism philosophical deep dives, I think you would benefit by taking an accredited course in logic. Otherwise you will make a claim like that, in the essence of Rousseau or otherwise, and simply have a misidentified antecedent
I agree with you that the relationship is like a reservoir model - that is across a life. But where did we suggest otherwise. The claim was never “you constantly need external validation to sustain self-esteem.” In fact, that’s what Neuhouser is getting at with his example of having received recognition early in his career such that the possible rejection of his essay will not be devastating.
Perhaps inflamed amour-propre doesn't create greatness but creates a "handle" or "identity" around which greatness can be recognized.
E.g. given our technological advancement, it's very likely that we'd always eventually get online shopping, electric cars, smartphones, AI, nuclear weapons, etc... Just not with the specific brand name and individuals that we currently associate with them.
That is, like the "ego" or the self-awareness that gets in the way of flow states, it's a distracting desire to take credit for "me" for a result that would have happened wu-wei-esque regardless of "my" intervention
Bro each one of your content is good but I think you need to up the YT Marketing / Thumbnail game. Just a tiny example-- some of your thumbnails has those thin cursive fonts that makes it hard to read, and it puts me off a little bit, but when I click the content is wonderful. Makes me sad you can't really reach the number of the audience that I know you deserve.
41k followers with this type of content??
Amazing right!!
In a way, this sitting is kind of boring and stale, hard to finish but, at least i try.
So if thru no fault of your own, your thrown into an environment where your recognized bt no one, then what are you? Nothing I guess. And if your an asshole and thats a good thing in the environment and you get recognition for that, then you have high selfcesteem.
"Self-Esteem Requires External Validation"... Meaning what? You need to be a narcissist?
Nice dialogue, but please learn how to pronounce "amour propre". The 'r' in propre may be a bit challenging, but you guys are driving me nuts.
“The warriors were better” lol bro what
Neuhouser’s theory that war is better for the environment than capitalism is comical in that it completely ignores technological advancement and escalation. Yes capitalism drives modern technological advancement but even today a great deal of technological innovation spawns from military research. To assume the bomb would not have existed without capitalism is too simple. We may have taken a different path to its discovery but the science is foundational. In such a world where conquest was still in such high regard, would there be the same restraint with regard to nuclear annihilation? Even in a non-nuclear world, war is plenty destructive. I found it hopelessly “Academic” for him to make this argument.
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