But there were bronze age cattle-raisers who emigrated from Spain to Achill Island on the far west coast of Ireland; I took part in a dig of a late bronze age building and collapsed stone walls on Slieve Mor with the Achill Field School in 2017. I was told that the climate the was warmer and dryer than in subsequent centuries and they arrived with cattle before the peat bogs formed there. There are many unexcavated passage tombs and remains of houses and other structures around Dooagh.
That aligns neatly with the Milesian narrative. I've read there are ocean currents directly linking Spain and Ireland, which would have enabled any number of "invasions."
The genetic studies done in the last twenty years confirm at least for the Goidelic speaking peoples of Ireland, Scotland, and Man, do in fact come from north-west Spain. So, the myths contain actual historical fact. Viva Galicia!
Seeing for the first time your documentaries,i have to say that the research,the effort,the pathos and the "free" optic you have on your topics makes your channel my favourite one on this specific era in archaeology.
One of the very few ballads of ancient origin collected by Francis James Child in Ireland is called the' Well Below the Valley' which deals with incest. Not just one relative but a whole raft of them. It has a very old structure.
This was fantastic gentlemen, I am recovering from a bad accident which has left me bedbound when I'm not on crutches and this makes me forget the daily struggle. You brought up an interesting thought in my head, what if these were built by North Korean style despots? Look at their statues to the Kims, that hideous Starship hotel in Pyongyang, empty. How easy it must have been back then for a large family to cease power. The potential connections with Egypt are fascinating. I remember being inside Newgrange thinking it was laid out like a church if you were to look at a plan from above, coincidence I think not as the church always piggy backed off religions before them in order to infiltrate it into the current society. The fact that Newgrange was collapsed, hidden and buried centuries before either Stonehenge, as we see it today, or the Pyramids were planned is mind boggling. How was it just "forgotten", nearly 5,000 years the passage tomb lay in darkness, there had to be something that made it untouchable even after the descendents of the original generation who built it had died out and the oral history of the tomb had evaporated... was it disease that made the area untouchable for generations? Did incest make the population more vulnerable to disease or deformities, and therefore the Ruling family whose genes were riddled with duplicated faulty DNA were wiped out or overthrown due to their susceptibility to disease ? Was there a new wave of immigration from Northern Spain, France, North Africa even that brought illness... just fascinating... And yes the external part of Newgrange is not how it looked, but Stonehenge is an open structure, Newgrange at least externally, is a health And safety slash tourism response to enable increased visitors to share in 5,000+ year old mathematical and astronomical genius, in safety. The fact is the internal tomb was long forgotten before more famous monuments were built. Thank you Gentlemen!! The irony is now that this is on TH-cam it'll be online for another 5,000+ years 😁
Excellent, relating what is being discovered to mythological stories makes it seem so much more personal. An interesting insight into the way people were thinking and their beliefs, it seems based of their own prehistory. As said, getting closer to the big questions.
Absolutely fascinating. Myths and archeology together. Awesome. I'll be buying those books aaaand yes my brain is ticking over, but not exploded yet. Lol. Thanks again guys.
Look at Cape Breton. My mother's parents were BOTH the offspring of first cousins marrying!There was nothing elite about them. And if we're going by weight, I must have IMPERIAL importance!
When researching a friend's family history I came across something similar. 2 brothers of one family married 2 sisters of another family. So both the couple's children were double cousins. But then, 2 children of one couple went on to marry 2 of of their double cousins.
The reason incest has been a Major Taboo for human beings around the World since Always, is the i creasingly serious Genetic Damage it causes Tutenkhamun is a classic example , but today, in London, major problems are appearing in immigrant communities in which Arranged Marriages are the norm, to keep it in the family. The Fake gods tradition of :Royal gods" Marrying their half sisters. Mothers, etc, Backfired Spectacularly, as those famo.ies I termarrying resu.ted in feeble minded idiots with rapidly deteriorating physical integrity. A pattern that is sadly being repeated in those arranged marriage immigrant communities, with child mortality rates now u comfortably high. And things only get Worse From Here. 😪
@@brownnoise357 The immigrants you have in mind don't marry and have children with their fathers/ mothers/ uncles/ aunts/ (half) siblings but tend to marry cousins, specifically cross (rather than parallel) cousins. The incidence of genetic defects is only slightly higher than among the dominant/ native population. Throughout human history, it wasn't uncommon for the cousins to to marry. I'm not saying it's something I agree with but that's how it was/ is. It's also not illegal.
Something that needs to be kept in mind about prehistoric incest is that isolated groups will end up with far more inbreeding throughout the groups. It's not like royalty with their big eared bluebloods where it's done for snobbery. These groups way back were isolated.
I think that may be partially true...definitely people were more isolated but there were also trade networks, conflicts, migrations etc. Even going back much further in time already. Perhaps factors such as availability of resources influenced the degree of isolation... We do have enough data from historical indigenous people and their strategies to avoid inbreeding of course. And one fascinating example of total isolation still today on North Sentinel Island. Those guys are very healthy for sure...even though there aren't many of them living on a very small island....maybe they intermarry between clans...
Very late to this one, but what a fantastic video. Very much enjoyed this discussion. Now I have to find more about Anthony Murphy. I love your channel.
Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, thank you very much. It isn't just archaeology that can confirm myths as factual insights. An example: An ancient tale held among the inhabitants of St. Bride's in Pembrokeshire, tells of that saint coming from Ireland and setting up an abbey there. Maybe she did, but what is certain is that, using Google Maps, a straight line drawn from the fire temple in the cathedral grounds goes straight through the middle of the haven at St Bride's, through the former site of the original chapel, through the church, St. Bride's Abbey grounds and on through St. Ishmael's church another ancient clas, and more. Also, regarding solar orientation, the archaeoastronomer and archaeologist, Olwyn Pritchard, amongst many other original discoveries has found that the 'Westminster of Wales' (because so many royal personage were interned there), Strata Florida Abbey, in Ceredigion, Wales, is oriented to receive the setting sun on St. David's Day - and the next evening, his mother, St. Non's Day.
all churches are arranged to face east, because the early Christians believed in facing eastwards to pray as an expression of hope in seeing Jesus's second coming (he is said to be called 'the east' in prophecy and tells the disciples that they will see him coming from the east when he returns). That was called an 'ancient' Christian tradition even by commentators in the mid 300s AD. It's certainly interesting that they chose St David's Day for the specific west-east alignment of that church, but it's not exceptional to find that churches are aligned to the sun. It's intentional.
@@bethyngalw Yes, thanks. I think those who spend time studying these things, realise solar alignments are common - but there are clearly intentional intricacies according with saint's feast days etc. Very, very, few churches, from my experience face due east. They frequently aim for features in that general easterly - westerly axial direction, for sunrises and sunsets (and not just e-w and solar relationships). For example, another church, built upon the sacred flow, with very strong (and extremely early) Christian history has its chancel offset to face the Epiphany and saint sunrise in that location.
@@ellisctaylor74 it's a very interesting nuance, for sure. The idea that they didn't just go for due-east on the meridian, but a specific feast associated with the namesake of the church. Very cool.
It's not that folk are surprised that there WAS incest, it's that archaeological techniques have been able to FIND it at all and that it reinforced the premise of the study; to establish whether or not there was an elite associated with megalithic burials in the Neolithic.
Hey guys, love the show! I just found out that i've been missing out on everything on here and been catching up after listening to everything that was on apple podcasts. Will you keep releasing on there aswell or are the new episodes Patreon/TH-cam exclusive? Keep up the amazing work :)
Hi! Yes - We'll be doing best to keep the podcasts up to date with audio only versions of the interviews at least. Some catching -up to do right now though! Cheers, Michael 😊
Just realised I used the word "visitation" about the relatively isolated mesolithic population of Ireland. They weren't expecting to be visited by divine or supernatural beings! A simple "visit" would have sufficed. Ah, live TV eh!
I’d like to add another possibility besides an eclipse (to have given the needed light to continue work on this “tower”) and that being of the Phenomenon of Bright Nights or Nocturnal Sun. This phenomenon, when UV radiation from the sun separates molecular oxygen into individual atoms. These atoms then recombine at night, which releases energy that emits a greenish tint. The Nocturnal Sun is sadly now rarely visible anymore due to the strong “light pollution” of larger and larger cities. Again, whenever I find a prehistoric text which refers to “sunlight at night” or anything like that, it makes me pause.
Extremely interesting, im going to watch it again, & again+ Sooo much food for thought, I AM STUFFED! but i want more, oink oink Thank You. Best Wishes ☺👍📌✌🎯
PPS. Emperor Constantine's Wife, the other of King Arthur 1st, is buried just North of Newport Beach in Pembrokeshire. The "Other" Grave, is probably not a million miles away, given that she was such a devoted Christian, and supposedly buried with a lot of really important Relics? 🤔🏴
They'd probably have similar headlines for the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha bloodlines (or Windsor, as they prefer now), and they don't have the excuse of the isolation of an island!
I agree with the Danaan myths being back in the neolithic. They are directly related to post-Vedic myth by name and tribe, being 'sent west' under their leader Danu. Tracing her name in many river names you can follow her all the way to Ireland.
@@genevievedolan1288 In the Puranas there are chapters on migrations and expulsions, etc. The Shiva and Vayu Puranas both talk about Danu and her tribe being expelled and going west along the rivers. They called the tribe the Danavas. It's pretty straightforward. I'm always surprised it's never mentioned in all the speculation out there.
Who's who? One thing certain: Ireland's history is analogous to an ethnic layer cake to which many waves of humans contributed, starting with original inhabitants who walked into the region when still connected to the mainland. Bearing this in mind, we must maintain awareness of the "founder's principle", a concept valid across many disciplines, including genomics. In that field, the principle suggests (absent genocide and wholesale ethnic replacement), that regardless of successive incursions founding populations retain widespread dominance genomically. This effect is amplified since many incursions only install ruling elites, whose genetic contributions become diluted in the general population until barely recognizable. It is unlikely we will ever be able to determine which haplogroups correspond to mythologically recognized ethnicities such as the Fir Bolg, Fomorians, Dannans, or Milesians; or the prehistoric epochs during which those groups held dominance. Alternative timelines for dominance have been proposed. This presentation includes the first suggestion I've heard that Neolithic Farmers were the Dannans and Beaker People were the Milesians. To me that seems absurd, however much it might align with Lebor Gebala Eirinn's credulity straining timeline. Imagined connections with Egypt and Scythia are also absurd. The Beaker Culture may have derived from a blending of Proto-European and Indo-European peoples in Middle Europe, but those early Indo-Europeans who contributed to the new culture were not Scythians, and long predated any such culture. The Dannans are more likely to have been refugees from the Nordic Bronze Age than Neolithic farmers. Their association with the passage graves is incidental. Considering their evil reputation, the Fomorians are more likely candidates. Neolithic farming's attendant deforestation and habitat destruction devastated the ecology that had sustained the insular aboriginals. Correlations between prehistory and the mythology may be coincidental. The Irish archeological record through the Iron Age provides scant evidence for the rich material culture mythically possessed by imagined (or recollected) prehistoric Irish cultures. Material culture depicted in the Mythological and Ulster Cycles reflects the medieval period when the tales were written down. Bog bodies old enough to provide solid genomic evidence may have dissolved. We should fervently hope for more discoveries.
Also possible is that everyone regarded the elites as agents of the deity and therefore rendered the honouring and special treatment of them as an imperative. Michael
chronologies were doctored to fit the christian understanding of the age of the world, Keating in his histories openly admits altering a couple of king reign durations as it wasn't in keeing with the age of the world, so instead of reigning for 150 years he gave one king 20 years................was there not also a few years ago, a discovery in greece of one of the islands being made fertile by transportation of soil onto the rock strewn land scape, the mind jumps to the story of the fir bolg being made to carry sacks of soil onto the island they had been granted to stay on by the Greeks..........in the Kolbryn there is mention of a discussion taking place between the Cili de and the druids to mix or out together both schools of thought
Awesome video! Here's a crazy idea, the passage tombs like Newgrange etc, were used as a type of resurrection machine. The Tuade de Anu were necromancers, you inter the dead God/Priest/Sun King in it, to them the spirit of the departed now lives in the tomb, at winter solstice the time they believed this world and the spirit world were closest, conception of the new King would be inside the tomb, were the soul of the old King could reincarnate once more through necromantic sex magic of some sort. Giving legitimacy to the new King, incest to keep the blood pure may be part of the requirements for reincarnation in their minds or just maintaining power in the family as per usual. Essentially the same motivation behind building and using the tomb in such a way regardless. The average uninitiated pleb would believe it's magic, which is the real magic. Like the myths recording people causing the sun to stand still, obviously it's the solstice but to the uninitiated they would believe the God/Priest/Sun King had power over it, and thus everything else, the mandate of heaven. Who through their magical and towering constructions, their resurrection machines and Henges that held the cosmos, had conquered the universe and even death itself, or so they liked their subjects to believe, and probably even came to believe themselves after a time. Food for thought anyway lol. Keep up the amazing work guys, love it!!
Incest.was.the done thing.in the past,they didn't know any different,the attitude of "the peasants are revolting"was the attitude.And it isn't a laugh,it is devastating for the offspring.
15:20 Just want to perhaps warn you off making speculations around Christianity and sun-worship, and alignments of churches. I've spent a lot of my life working to establish just what counts as cultural transmission from one religion or culture to another, and as a general rule, unless we can find a direct transmissional link from an origin culture to another culture, by way of overlapping specific features, then the answer is "no". For the most part correlation does not equal causation. You need something more specific than that. As a hypothetical example, if you had a king in Ireland whose name was "the great deer who commands the sun to set" depicted wearing antlers decorated with blue gemstones and gold, and in Brittany you also have a king whose title was "the great stag who directs the courses of the sun" whose headdress was likewise golden antlers with blue gemstones, then you could say there was a direct transmission relationship between those cultures. However, if you have "some guys in Ireland with a winter solstice aligned tomb", and "some guys in Egypt with a winter solstice aligned temple" the concept of solstices is just too generic, too ubiquitous, to offer a causal link. And that's the crux of the matter, that generic similarities are coincidental, unless you can provide a much more solid, and specific, line of transmission than we currently have available, to prove otherwise. Linking generic concepts by some kind of over-arching cross-cultural transmission is the stuff of naïve 19th Century antiquarians. Just as you would scoff at the idea that the Hindus got their idea for a festival of light from the Jewish candle-lighting festival of Hanukkah. Now that I have worded it in that way, I am sure you can see that it is just as much a pseudoscientific flight of fancy to suppose a causal link between pagan solstices and Christian church alignment. (I'm not saying that to ridicule you, just to demonstrate. I find this is a common habit in archaeological circles. But it just isn't good archaeological theory). The fact is that the majority of ancient cultures sought to align their sacred spaces with the sun, and they had a hugely diverse set of reasons for doing so. There is no causal link from Egypt to Ireland, and there is no causal link from pagan to Christian, just because they came to similar conclusions. Their motives and histories do not align just because they both observed the sun and considered it significant. Every culture on earth has done just that. It's possible, that future archaeological discoveries could produce a more direct causal link between Egypt and Ireland, for example, but it would need considerably more evidence than we have available to us right now. And with regards to Christianity, we know why Christian churches were arranged in such a way, because the history is well documented in the writings of the contemporaries of the early church. They aligned their buildings that way because it was a reference to the prophecies of the Jewish scriptures and the alignment of the Jewish temple. The Jewish temple was aligned East -> West, and the West -> East alignment of Christian churches was a statement about Christianity being different from what came before, and Jesus being the fulfilment of the Jewish Sinai Covenant. It was prophesied in the Tanakh that the Jewish Messiah would be called 'the east' (sometimes translated as 'the orient'). And at the end of the Gospels when talking about his second-coming, Jesus is described as saying "As the lightning comes from the East . . so shall the Son of Man appear". So the urge to direct your prayers towards the east, facing the compass point, was an act made to express eager hope of seeing Jesus return. As early as the mid 4th Century, Basil of Caesarea was describing the practice of facing east to pray as "one of the most ancient practices of the church". Here we see a direct causal transmission, from the Jewish practice to the Christian practice, with a clear paper-trail to follow. Nothing pagan related to alignment is ever documented, indeed at the time when the alignment was established, there was a severe aversion to anything even hinting at paganism in the early church, to the extent that they would rather be slaughtered than be caught engaging in any pagan practice. And many were slaughtered for just such a resistance to paganism. So even were somebody tempted to posit a link with paganism, such a claim would be swimming upstream against all the evidence. summary: Unless you have detailed specifics that can act as signposts of transmission of ideas between cultures, it's best not to suppose that one culture adopted a religious practice from another. Generic things like sun-orientation are not a good fit for such speculation.
Concerning working 24 hour days at midsummer, and an eclipse: One year in 30 (ish), midsummer night is the night of the full moon, which adds to the twilight during the night. There can only be a lunar eclipse (not a solar one) when the moon is full. So if you set out to complete a task which must be completed before night falls, and if it is a larger version of the task than usual, you might plan to do it at midsummer in a year where the moon will be full. Night will not fall for three days (you expect). Think of the catastrophe when the moon goes black! Sacrifices in the Old Testament needed to be fully completed before nightfall (Deu 16:4). Every firstborn son was owed as a sacrifice, but this debt could be redeemed by sacrificing a lamb instead. Only one tendon of the "sacrifice" was burned, the rest of the meat (minus the priest's fee) was eaten by the sacrificers and guests, but the meat had be eaten before nightfall. Quite a problem for the king's firstborn son when the night ended unexpectedly!
Well was there a solar eclipse on the summer solstice back then? Or are you suggesting that it stayed light after the solstice for a while or is it 2 stories that have been connected but took place at different times. So the start of the 3rd myth is basically the king Arthur myth but earlier? I'd usually lean towards it being both. The leaders back then were both strong, warrior elites and were seen as religiously important in some way by the people. Not 1 or the other but like Egypt the rulers were almost god like. Maybe not as much as Egypt but still. The leader would have been the war leader and the spiritual centre. Church alignment probably is connected to the older religions. After all many early churches were built directly on top of earlier pagan structures and often used the existing structures alignment.
Norse War of the Gods, Vanir VS Aesir, ended in a stalemate, whereby a few Vanir were allowed into Asgard, including Frey and Freyr, brother and sister who were married to each other, after they were separated and married to different spouses. This incest was normal to the Vanir, but anathema to the Aesir. Were the Vanir the Neolithic Elite sacred rulers, and the Aesir the Gods of the Beaker people?
There were worse headlines - the ones going on about "god-kings". And I thought "You don't know the role of those people in their society, and you don't know what those people thought about them. What you know is that there was incest." We should not forget that domestic Samoyed dogs also reveal clear evidence of incest. What if they were bred for sacrifice?
I will watch this again tomorrow, currently its midnight in philippines (but im a Brit) and ive had a few local beers. But im no so shocked about the incest thing among elites...its not uncommon in history right? Egypt being an example?
Well - to be fair - I don't think anybody is 'shocked' that there was incest in antiquity, but that the discovery of actual evidence of it in the remains from Newgrange so serendipitously confirms the other evidence from the study and helps underpin the notion that the group set out to examine; that there was an elite class associated with megalithic funerary practise in Neolithic Ireland. Cheers, Michael 😊
Fascinating production, thanks. Lots of various points about this, and the close parallels of myths and legends and documents all over the place including Wales, Egypt, Sumeria, etc. Where to start? Well reincarnation was a Global understanding going way back, a core principle of the Druids, who jnew enough to lend money interest free in a current life, to be paid back in a future life, during which repayment wouldn't be a problem. Reincarnation was also a core principle of Christianity until Rome removed it from the Religion, so it could use Fear of Eternal Damnation to Control people to serve Rome's interests. Saudi Arabia appears to have done similar and worse, by destroying the teachings of the Prophet, to replace them with their own, but I digress. Inbreeding was understood to be a very bad thing with dire consequences Globally, pre the arrival of the Sumerian "gods" - who kept it in the family so to speak. New blood was highly prized, by even the Pacific islanders remember, with visiting sailors encouraged to bed the women of the tribes they met. I suspect this was very highly organised during Druid times and the fertility festivals, which had people traveling from across the Country to places like Stonehenge, with each tribe - think - wearing different colours to identify them so that green didn't breed with green, blue with blue etc. A strong suggestion of this, and that huts had co.our markings as well, is what has been found in excavations of huts - namely, fireplaces with knee indentations in the floors, between the fireplace and the doorway - suggesting "please make your deposit here - Visitors to the fertility fextival from places like the Continent, were particularly valued abd welcomed, probably with a comp.etely unique coloured garment, that allowed them access to every other coloured hut occupant. Colour use was highly significant to Druids remember with the highest ranked Druids wearing coats of "Many Colours ", which might explain just how important to someone in the Bible, acquiring one really was? It took over 20 years of intense Education to become a Druid remember, and the beliefs had very close parallels with Christianity, and HQ of Druid Schools was Britain, and I wonder where Christ went during those missing years, given his uncle traded with Britain. That the first above ground Christian Church outside of Jerusalem, was built in Britain , circa 47 AD, sharing a Druid School site is perhaps not a coincidence, and searching for Xhrist's Grave in Britain, may not be a fruitless task. By the way, the Glastonbury that first Christian Church was built at, was not the one down in Somerset, It was a day's horse ride from Shropshire, so li,eky the area where all the old Kings were buried, in the Midlands. If he's still alive, you will probably get a lot more useful information from Alan Wilson, and his colleague Baram Blackett. They're the ones that proved the Etruscan Language, was Welsh, and easily translatable, among so many other fascinating, and well documented things. Have a Great 2021. Bob.
Sin... mesopotamian God of the moon. Its been many years but I recall seeing this dish shaped crescent engraving on one of the large foundation stones on the outside rear of Newgrange. Always wondered what it might symbolise. Only this week discovered this deity Sin and only just recalled the engraving.???
@ThePreHistoryGuys - particularly Rupert:- I've heard you mention that Christian churches are built on an east-west alignment, when nothing in Christianity pertains to that, but instantly, the first time I heard you say that, in another video, my mind was called back to my childhood; my father was a "pastor"... "From the rising of the sun and the going down of the same, the Lord's name is to be praised." Or:- Psalm 113.3 "From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets, the name of the Lord is to be praised.", which is taken from the NIV of the Bible, a much better interpretation into modern English. Quote: "The book of Psalms contains three collections titled Hallel, with Psalms 113-118 known as the Egyptian Hallel, mainly because of their connection with Passover celebrations, commemorating Israel’s deliverance from Egypt. The psalms of the Egyptian Hallel were sung as part of the Passover ceremony, with Psalms 113-114 sung before the meal and Psalms 115-118 after the meal.". Hopefully, a little historical perspective as to why the rising and the setting of the sun is very important to Christians. BTW, I'm a HUGE fan and will become a patron ASAP.
Here we go again, another rewriting of Irish history. I find it very hard to believe that the people of Erainn at the quoted peroid had no contact with the Albion islands. 13 Miles to Scotland from Ulster, yet we never crossed, nor they? As for the D.N.A, from the accusation of an elite? We assume there are two races at minimum on this island at this period of the Bru na bone complex. Can we already not see the peaking through of charicteristics of Kaledonian I.e. long limbed and red hair? When we look into the bones at Mountsandel a site estimated at 8-10,000 years old, once again in think my hypothesis will be proven, there were 2 races which have always had similar caractieristics to Kaledonian and Pictish tribes. There will never be an independent "Irish" race, because there has always been atleast 2 ethnic groups on this island.
Sorry but have to comment again. I know you weren't being literal but can you imagine actually having a house that was literally on top of Newgrange. Obviously it would need to be a really ancient house itself. You could make a fortune from the ghost hunter types... 😅
Love your pod cast BUT failure to give symptoms of chronodysplasia forced me to leave your site long enough to research that disease. You guys are great.. but help your listener to understand what the freak your talking about with better definitions.
Incest. .?????? ..I wonder if they were like those inbred mountain people in the film "Deliverance"...boss eyed, and manically playing the Banjo.?.... Or in this case a tin whistle. Another fascinating vid.
PS. Finding Christ's Grave would only confirm Real Christianity, and help to wipe away Rome's Fake Christianity for good. 👍 eta : Alan Wilson can probably tell you exactly where He is buried. 🤔
Er... No. Facts wouldn't change anything for any believer. If it doesn't fit its fake, a lie or the work of the devil. They could find his tomb with his name, title on the door, a sign round his neck saying yes this is christ and no he didn't rise from the dead and still it'd change nothing.
@@itarry4 True, they conveniently pretend that the Nazis are "Right Wing" , while ignoring the Reality that Nazi is just short for German National Socialist Workers Party. The name was just shortened to broaden its appeal. There was a very large recruiting effort by the Mazis in 1930's Britain Labour Party members were heaviy re recruited, my grandparents were constantly approached, but the greatest success they had with recruiting, was with the Scpttish Nationalist Party- SNP - Plaid Cymru - Wales - and the IRA. Until Germany invaded Russia in 1941, the Communists were also heavily involved Supporting the Nazi War Efforts as well. Enemies within the Gates have always been a Serious Problem. 😕
Really enjoyed the conversation and now have another interesting person to follow and listen to and read. Excellent.
This is a good, studied presentation of recently published archaeological work, put in context and connected to myth. Excellently done.
I do not know how to edit a comment, so I reply to my own - also, the cards with text showing spellings and quick summaries were very helpful.
Hey - thanks Diane! Glad you like the info bars - makes the time spent all worth while. Michael x
But there were bronze age cattle-raisers who emigrated from Spain to Achill Island on the far west coast of Ireland; I took part in a dig of a late bronze age building and collapsed stone walls on Slieve Mor with the Achill Field School in 2017. I was told that the climate the was warmer and dryer than in subsequent centuries and they arrived with cattle before the peat bogs formed there. There are many unexcavated passage tombs and remains of houses and other structures around Dooagh.
That aligns neatly with the Milesian narrative. I've read there are ocean currents directly linking Spain and Ireland, which would have enabled any number of "invasions."
The genetic studies done in the last twenty years confirm at least for the Goidelic speaking peoples of Ireland, Scotland, and Man, do in fact come from north-west Spain. So, the myths contain actual historical fact. Viva Galicia!
Awesome! So happy to finally get to listen to your guys convo with Anthony Murphy.
Seeing for the first time your documentaries,i have to say that the research,the effort,the pathos and the "free" optic you have on your topics makes your channel my favourite one on this specific era in archaeology.
Bravo! Amazing connections between myth and evidence. Love.
Many thanks from Michael! Much appreciated 😊
Nothing more fascinating than learning about the awakening of humanity. Thank you for the excellent channel/content.
One of the very few ballads of ancient origin collected by Francis James Child in Ireland is called the' Well Below the Valley' which deals with incest. Not just one relative but a whole raft of them. It has a very old structure.
Thanks for this guys, will be watching it later today in the meantime couldn’t resist giving a thumbs up.
This was fantastic gentlemen, I am recovering from a bad accident which has left me bedbound when I'm not on crutches and this makes me forget the daily struggle. You brought up an interesting thought in my head, what if these were built by North Korean style despots? Look at their statues to the Kims, that hideous Starship hotel in Pyongyang, empty. How easy it must have been back then for a large family to cease power. The potential connections with Egypt are fascinating.
I remember being inside Newgrange thinking it was laid out like a church if you were to look at a plan from above, coincidence I think not as the church always piggy backed off religions before them in order to infiltrate it into the current society. The fact that Newgrange was collapsed, hidden and buried centuries before either Stonehenge, as we see it today, or the Pyramids were planned is mind boggling. How was it just "forgotten", nearly 5,000 years the passage tomb lay in darkness, there had to be something that made it untouchable even after the descendents of the original generation who built it had died out and the oral history of the tomb had evaporated... was it disease that made the area untouchable for generations? Did incest make the population more vulnerable to disease or deformities, and therefore the Ruling family whose genes were riddled with duplicated faulty DNA were wiped out or overthrown due to their susceptibility to disease ?
Was there a new wave of immigration from Northern Spain, France, North Africa even that brought illness... just fascinating...
And yes the external part of Newgrange is not how it looked, but Stonehenge is an open structure, Newgrange at least externally, is a health And safety slash tourism response to enable increased visitors to share in 5,000+ year old mathematical and astronomical genius, in safety. The fact is the internal tomb was long forgotten before more famous monuments were built.
Thank you Gentlemen!!
The irony is now that this is on TH-cam it'll be online for another 5,000+ years 😁
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Excellent, relating what is being discovered to mythological stories makes it seem so much more personal. An interesting insight into the way people were thinking and their beliefs, it seems based of their own prehistory. As said, getting closer to the big questions.
Absolutely fascinating. Myths and archeology together. Awesome. I'll be buying those books aaaand yes my brain is ticking over, but not exploded yet. Lol. Thanks again guys.
You're very welcome Jenni 😊Best wishes from Michael
Look at Cape Breton. My mother's parents were BOTH the offspring of first cousins marrying!There was nothing elite about them. And if we're going by weight, I must have IMPERIAL importance!
When researching a friend's family history I came across something similar. 2 brothers of one family married 2 sisters of another family. So both the couple's children were double cousins. But then, 2 children of one couple went on to marry 2 of of their double cousins.
@@jennijennifer5129 i have two cousins who are brothers who married 2 sisters. but as for u sandra in ur case u must have 26 fingers and toes
@ Irish Bandito Farmer. No I don't, they were distant ancestors of a friend's family history. Thankfully. 😀
The reason incest has been a Major Taboo for human beings around the World since Always, is the i creasingly serious Genetic Damage it causes Tutenkhamun is a classic example , but today, in London, major problems are appearing in immigrant communities in which Arranged Marriages are the norm, to keep it in the family. The Fake gods tradition of :Royal gods" Marrying their half sisters. Mothers, etc, Backfired Spectacularly, as those famo.ies I termarrying resu.ted in feeble minded idiots with rapidly deteriorating physical integrity. A pattern that is sadly being repeated in those arranged marriage immigrant communities, with child mortality rates now u comfortably high. And things only get Worse From Here. 😪
@@brownnoise357 The immigrants you have in mind don't marry and have children with their fathers/ mothers/ uncles/ aunts/ (half) siblings but tend to marry cousins, specifically cross (rather than parallel) cousins. The incidence of genetic defects is only slightly higher than among the dominant/ native population.
Throughout human history, it wasn't uncommon for the cousins to to marry. I'm not saying it's something I agree with but that's how it was/ is. It's also not illegal.
Something that needs to be kept in mind about prehistoric incest is that isolated groups will end up with far more inbreeding throughout the groups. It's not like royalty with their big eared bluebloods where it's done for snobbery. These groups way back were isolated.
I think that may be partially true...definitely people were more isolated but there were also trade networks, conflicts, migrations etc. Even going back much further in time already. Perhaps factors such as availability of resources influenced the degree of isolation...
We do have enough data from historical indigenous people and their strategies to avoid inbreeding of course.
And one fascinating example of total isolation still today on North Sentinel Island. Those guys are very healthy for sure...even though there aren't many of them living on a very small island....maybe they intermarry between clans...
Very late to this one, but what a fantastic video. Very much enjoyed this discussion. Now I have to find more about Anthony Murphy. I love your channel.
A re-visit would be excellent, a most riveting interveiw thanks :)
Such an interesting topic and a great guest!
Very kind of you to say so! 😊Best wishes from Michael
Thoroughly enjoyed this discussion, thank you very much. It isn't just archaeology that can confirm myths as factual insights. An example: An ancient tale held among the inhabitants of St. Bride's in Pembrokeshire, tells of that saint coming from Ireland and setting up an abbey there. Maybe she did, but what is certain is that, using Google Maps, a straight line drawn from the fire temple in the cathedral grounds goes straight through the middle of the haven at St Bride's, through the former site of the original chapel, through the church, St. Bride's Abbey grounds and on through St. Ishmael's church another ancient clas, and more. Also, regarding solar orientation, the archaeoastronomer and archaeologist, Olwyn Pritchard, amongst many other original discoveries has found that the 'Westminster of Wales' (because so many royal personage were interned there), Strata Florida Abbey, in Ceredigion, Wales, is oriented to receive the setting sun on St. David's Day - and the next evening, his mother, St. Non's Day.
all churches are arranged to face east, because the early Christians believed in facing eastwards to pray as an expression of hope in seeing Jesus's second coming (he is said to be called 'the east' in prophecy and tells the disciples that they will see him coming from the east when he returns). That was called an 'ancient' Christian tradition even by commentators in the mid 300s AD. It's certainly interesting that they chose St David's Day for the specific west-east alignment of that church, but it's not exceptional to find that churches are aligned to the sun. It's intentional.
@@bethyngalw Yes, thanks. I think those who spend time studying these things, realise solar alignments are common - but there are clearly intentional intricacies according with saint's feast days etc. Very, very, few churches, from my experience face due east. They frequently aim for features in that general easterly - westerly axial direction, for sunrises and sunsets (and not just e-w and solar relationships). For example, another church, built upon the sacred flow, with very strong (and extremely early) Christian history has its chancel offset to face the Epiphany and saint sunrise in that location.
@@ellisctaylor74 it's a very interesting nuance, for sure. The idea that they didn't just go for due-east on the meridian, but a specific feast associated with the namesake of the church. Very cool.
@@bethyngalw It sure is Bethyn. This has been an endlessly fascinating project. Thank you.
Thank you so much, a very enjoyable episode!
Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊
Maybe observation of the Northern light show was a highlight for these people.
Absolutely brilliant .. I can’t say how much I enjoyed and learned.
Wow! Thank you so much 😊Best wishes from Michael
I was born in N Ireland and I am wondering why the chappies on this video are snickering whenever incest is expressed?
Thanks! I like Anthony. I enjoy his channel. "Mr. DroneHenge" 🌌
Why’s everyone so surprised? Seems historically, keeping it in the family is consistent so to say.
It's not that folk are surprised that there WAS incest, it's that archaeological techniques have been able to FIND it at all and that it reinforced the premise of the study; to establish whether or not there was an elite associated with megalithic burials in the Neolithic.
Hey guys, love the show! I just found out that i've been missing out on everything on here and been catching up after listening to everything that was on apple podcasts. Will you keep releasing on there aswell or are the new episodes Patreon/TH-cam exclusive? Keep up the amazing work :)
Hi! Yes - We'll be doing best to keep the podcasts up to date with audio only versions of the interviews at least. Some catching -up to do right now though! Cheers, Michael 😊
The Prehistory Guys No rush, thanks for the reply!
Terrific! Loved it.
Very kind of you to say so! 😊Best wishes from Michael
Awesome thanks! I hope evidence comes out regarding the Egyptian connection soon ....Michael Tsarion would leap for joy!
Just realised I used the word "visitation" about the relatively isolated mesolithic population of Ireland. They weren't expecting to be visited by divine or supernatural beings! A simple "visit" would have sufficed. Ah, live TV eh!
🤣 Thanks for helping create this show Anthony! Feedback is good and people love to hear from you. All best, Michael 😊
@@ThePrehistoryGuys My great pleasure, as always. You guys are great
I can't wait till I can watch this.
I’d like to add another possibility besides an eclipse (to have given the needed light to continue work on this “tower”) and that being of the Phenomenon of Bright Nights or Nocturnal Sun.
This phenomenon, when UV radiation from the sun separates molecular oxygen into individual atoms. These atoms then recombine at night, which releases energy that emits a greenish tint. The Nocturnal Sun is sadly now rarely visible anymore due to the strong “light pollution” of larger and larger cities.
Again, whenever I find a prehistoric text which refers to “sunlight at night” or anything like that, it makes me pause.
Extremely interesting, im going to watch it again, & again+
Sooo much food for thought, I AM STUFFED!
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Thank You.
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🤣Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊
PPS. Emperor Constantine's Wife, the other of King Arthur 1st, is buried just North of Newport Beach in Pembrokeshire. The "Other" Grave, is probably not a million miles away, given that she was such a devoted Christian, and supposedly buried with a lot of really important Relics? 🤔🏴
Guys, you're stuff is awesome!
They'd probably have similar headlines for the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha bloodlines (or Windsor, as they prefer now), and they don't have the excuse of the isolation of an island!
Wow...!!...such an interesting interview...it wasn't just putting flesh on the bones...it was also putting names to them.
Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊
Truth is Truth..
I agree with the Danaan myths being back in the neolithic. They are directly related to post-Vedic myth by name and tribe, being 'sent west' under their leader Danu. Tracing her name in many river names you can follow her all the way to Ireland.
This sounds interesting. Can you give more detail ?
@@genevievedolan1288 In the Puranas there are chapters on migrations and expulsions, etc. The Shiva and Vayu Puranas both talk about Danu and her tribe being expelled and going west along the rivers. They called the tribe the Danavas. It's pretty straightforward. I'm always surprised it's never mentioned in all the speculation out there.
Who's who?
One thing certain: Ireland's history is analogous to an ethnic layer cake to which many waves of humans contributed, starting with original inhabitants who walked into the region when still connected to the mainland. Bearing this in mind, we must maintain awareness of the "founder's principle", a concept valid across many disciplines, including genomics. In that field, the principle suggests (absent genocide and wholesale ethnic replacement), that regardless of successive incursions founding populations retain widespread dominance genomically. This effect is amplified since many incursions only install ruling elites, whose genetic contributions become diluted in the general population until barely recognizable.
It is unlikely we will ever be able to determine which haplogroups correspond to mythologically recognized ethnicities such as the Fir Bolg, Fomorians, Dannans, or Milesians; or the prehistoric epochs during which those groups held dominance. Alternative timelines for dominance have been proposed. This presentation includes the first suggestion I've heard that Neolithic Farmers were the Dannans and Beaker People were the Milesians. To me that seems absurd, however much it might align with Lebor Gebala Eirinn's credulity straining timeline.
Imagined connections with Egypt and Scythia are also absurd. The Beaker Culture may have derived from a blending of Proto-European and Indo-European peoples in Middle Europe, but those early Indo-Europeans who contributed to the new culture were not Scythians, and long predated any such culture.
The Dannans are more likely to have been refugees from the Nordic Bronze Age than Neolithic farmers. Their association with the passage graves is incidental. Considering their evil reputation, the Fomorians are more likely candidates. Neolithic farming's attendant deforestation and habitat destruction devastated the ecology that had sustained the insular aboriginals.
Correlations between prehistory and the mythology may be coincidental. The Irish archeological record through the Iron Age provides scant evidence for the rich material culture mythically possessed by imagined (or recollected) prehistoric Irish cultures. Material culture depicted in the Mythological and Ulster Cycles reflects the medieval period when the tales were written down. Bog bodies old enough to provide solid genomic evidence may have dissolved. We should fervently hope for more discoveries.
Fir bolg!! Now your talking my language... A lot of people's rocked up in the old emerald Isle for a scrap from all over ..
See "The Dagda," in Lady Gregory's book, vol. III, Gods and Fighting Men (Colin Smythe), pp. 80.
It could have been thought everyone related to the sun - it is just that the elites had more expensive tombs that made it obvious.
Also possible is that everyone regarded the elites as agents of the deity and therefore rendered the honouring and special treatment of them as an imperative. Michael
chronologies were doctored to fit the christian understanding of the age of the world, Keating in his histories openly admits altering a couple of king reign durations as it wasn't in keeing with the age of the world, so instead of reigning for 150 years he gave one king 20 years................was there not also a few years ago, a discovery in greece of one of the islands being made fertile by transportation of soil onto the rock strewn land scape, the mind jumps to the story of the fir bolg being made to carry sacks of soil onto the island they had been granted to stay on by the Greeks..........in the Kolbryn there is mention of a discussion taking place between the Cili de and the druids to mix or out together both schools of thought
Fantastic show!
I read a lot about this stuff in Ian Adamson's work what do you guys think of his theories on Irish history and mythology?
Awesome video! Here's a crazy idea, the passage tombs like Newgrange etc, were used as a type of resurrection machine. The Tuade de Anu were necromancers, you inter the dead God/Priest/Sun King in it, to them the spirit of the departed now lives in the tomb, at winter solstice the time they believed this world and the spirit world were closest, conception of the new King would be inside the tomb, were the soul of the old King could reincarnate once more through necromantic sex magic of some sort. Giving legitimacy to the new King, incest to keep the blood pure may be part of the requirements for reincarnation in their minds or just maintaining power in the family as per usual. Essentially the same motivation behind building and using the tomb in such a way regardless. The average uninitiated pleb would believe it's magic, which is the real magic. Like the myths recording people causing the sun to stand still, obviously it's the solstice but to the uninitiated they would believe the God/Priest/Sun King had power over it, and thus everything else, the mandate of heaven. Who through their magical and towering constructions, their resurrection machines and Henges that held the cosmos, had conquered the universe and even death itself, or so they liked their subjects to believe, and probably even came to believe themselves after a time. Food for thought anyway lol. Keep up the amazing work guys, love it!!
Incest.was.the done thing.in the past,they didn't know any different,the attitude of "the peasants are revolting"was the attitude.And it isn't a laugh,it is devastating for the offspring.
love it, you could'nt wait to pass this on, lol
What the heck - We have about 98 % DNA in common with chimpanzees too . . .
It is very creepy hearing these two men sniggering about incest every time it is mentioned.
Frankly, this comment says more about you than it does about us
15:20 Just want to perhaps warn you off making speculations around Christianity and sun-worship, and alignments of churches. I've spent a lot of my life working to establish just what counts as cultural transmission from one religion or culture to another, and as a general rule, unless we can find a direct transmissional link from an origin culture to another culture, by way of overlapping specific features, then the answer is "no".
For the most part correlation does not equal causation. You need something more specific than that. As a hypothetical example, if you had a king in Ireland whose name was "the great deer who commands the sun to set" depicted wearing antlers decorated with blue gemstones and gold, and in Brittany you also have a king whose title was "the great stag who directs the courses of the sun" whose headdress was likewise golden antlers with blue gemstones, then you could say there was a direct transmission relationship between those cultures. However, if you have "some guys in Ireland with a winter solstice aligned tomb", and "some guys in Egypt with a winter solstice aligned temple" the concept of solstices is just too generic, too ubiquitous, to offer a causal link. And that's the crux of the matter, that generic similarities are coincidental, unless you can provide a much more solid, and specific, line of transmission than we currently have available, to prove otherwise. Linking generic concepts by some kind of over-arching cross-cultural transmission is the stuff of naïve 19th Century antiquarians. Just as you would scoff at the idea that the Hindus got their idea for a festival of light from the Jewish candle-lighting festival of Hanukkah. Now that I have worded it in that way, I am sure you can see that it is just as much a pseudoscientific flight of fancy to suppose a causal link between pagan solstices and Christian church alignment. (I'm not saying that to ridicule you, just to demonstrate. I find this is a common habit in archaeological circles. But it just isn't good archaeological theory).
The fact is that the majority of ancient cultures sought to align their sacred spaces with the sun, and they had a hugely diverse set of reasons for doing so. There is no causal link from Egypt to Ireland, and there is no causal link from pagan to Christian, just because they came to similar conclusions. Their motives and histories do not align just because they both observed the sun and considered it significant. Every culture on earth has done just that. It's possible, that future archaeological discoveries could produce a more direct causal link between Egypt and Ireland, for example, but it would need considerably more evidence than we have available to us right now. And with regards to Christianity, we know why Christian churches were arranged in such a way, because the history is well documented in the writings of the contemporaries of the early church. They aligned their buildings that way because it was a reference to the prophecies of the Jewish scriptures and the alignment of the Jewish temple.
The Jewish temple was aligned East -> West, and the West -> East alignment of Christian churches was a statement about Christianity being different from what came before, and Jesus being the fulfilment of the Jewish Sinai Covenant. It was prophesied in the Tanakh that the Jewish Messiah would be called 'the east' (sometimes translated as 'the orient'). And at the end of the Gospels when talking about his second-coming, Jesus is described as saying "As the lightning comes from the East . . so shall the Son of Man appear". So the urge to direct your prayers towards the east, facing the compass point, was an act made to express eager hope of seeing Jesus return. As early as the mid 4th Century, Basil of Caesarea was describing the practice of facing east to pray as "one of the most ancient practices of the church". Here we see a direct causal transmission, from the Jewish practice to the Christian practice, with a clear paper-trail to follow. Nothing pagan related to alignment is ever documented, indeed at the time when the alignment was established, there was a severe aversion to anything even hinting at paganism in the early church, to the extent that they would rather be slaughtered than be caught engaging in any pagan practice. And many were slaughtered for just such a resistance to paganism. So even were somebody tempted to posit a link with paganism, such a claim would be swimming upstream against all the evidence.
summary: Unless you have detailed specifics that can act as signposts of transmission of ideas between cultures, it's best not to suppose that one culture adopted a religious practice from another. Generic things like sun-orientation are not a good fit for such speculation.
Concerning working 24 hour days at midsummer, and an eclipse: One year in 30 (ish), midsummer night is the night of the full moon, which adds to the twilight during the night. There can only be a lunar eclipse (not a solar one) when the moon is full. So if you set out to complete a task which must be completed before night falls, and if it is a larger version of the task than usual, you might plan to do it at midsummer in a year where the moon will be full. Night will not fall for three days (you expect). Think of the catastrophe when the moon goes black!
Sacrifices in the Old Testament needed to be fully completed before nightfall (Deu 16:4). Every firstborn son was owed as a sacrifice, but this debt could be redeemed by sacrificing a lamb instead. Only one tendon of the "sacrifice" was burned, the rest of the meat (minus the priest's fee) was eaten by the sacrificers and guests, but the meat had be eaten before nightfall. Quite a problem for the king's firstborn son when the night ended unexpectedly!
Well was there a solar eclipse on the summer solstice back then? Or are you suggesting that it stayed light after the solstice for a while or is it 2 stories that have been connected but took place at different times.
So the start of the 3rd myth is basically the king Arthur myth but earlier?
I'd usually lean towards it being both. The leaders back then were both strong, warrior elites and were seen as religiously important in some way by the people. Not 1 or the other but like Egypt the rulers were almost god like. Maybe not as much as Egypt but still. The leader would have been the war leader and the spiritual centre.
Church alignment probably is connected to the older religions. After all many early churches were built directly on top of earlier pagan structures and often used the existing structures alignment.
Norse War of the Gods, Vanir VS Aesir, ended in a stalemate, whereby a few Vanir were allowed into Asgard, including Frey and Freyr, brother and sister who were married to each other, after they were separated and married to different spouses. This incest was normal to the Vanir, but anathema to the Aesir. Were the Vanir the Neolithic Elite sacred rulers, and the Aesir the Gods of the Beaker people?
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I am a big fan of JE Harrison and Robert Graves. Would be interested in your thoughts on same. I appreciate your work!
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Michael here. That's great to hear Philip. Thank you for taking the time to say so! 😊
Same here!
lol. the dubstep intro for these two.😆 good show anyway.👌 cheers
How family myth and facts gets twisted or straighted out with time.
There were worse headlines - the ones going on about "god-kings". And I thought "You don't know the role of those people in their society, and you don't know what those people thought about them. What you know is that there was incest." We should not forget that domestic Samoyed dogs also reveal clear evidence of incest. What if they were bred for sacrifice?
I will watch this again tomorrow, currently its midnight in philippines (but im a Brit) and ive had a few local beers. But im no so shocked about the incest thing among elites...its not uncommon in history right? Egypt being an example?
Well - to be fair - I don't think anybody is 'shocked' that there was incest in antiquity, but that the discovery of actual evidence of it in the remains from Newgrange so serendipitously confirms the other evidence from the study and helps underpin the notion that the group set out to examine; that there was an elite class associated with megalithic funerary practise in Neolithic Ireland. Cheers, Michael 😊
Fascinating production, thanks. Lots of various points about this, and the close parallels of myths and legends and documents all over the place including Wales, Egypt, Sumeria, etc. Where to start? Well reincarnation was a Global understanding going way back, a core principle of the Druids, who jnew enough to lend money interest free in a current life, to be paid back in a future life, during which repayment wouldn't be a problem. Reincarnation was also a core principle of Christianity until Rome removed it from the Religion, so it could use Fear of Eternal Damnation to Control people to serve Rome's interests. Saudi Arabia appears to have done similar and worse, by destroying the teachings of the Prophet, to replace them with their own, but I digress. Inbreeding was understood to be a very bad thing with dire consequences Globally, pre the arrival of the Sumerian "gods" - who kept it in the family so to speak. New blood was highly prized, by even the Pacific islanders remember, with visiting sailors encouraged to bed the women of the tribes they met. I suspect this was very highly organised during Druid times and the fertility festivals, which had people traveling from across the Country to places like Stonehenge, with each tribe - think - wearing different colours to identify them so that green didn't breed with green, blue with blue etc. A strong suggestion of this, and that huts had co.our markings as well, is what has been found in excavations of huts - namely, fireplaces with knee indentations in the floors, between the fireplace and the doorway - suggesting "please make your deposit here - Visitors to the fertility fextival from places like the Continent, were particularly valued abd welcomed, probably with a comp.etely unique coloured garment, that allowed them access to every other coloured hut occupant. Colour use was highly significant to Druids remember with the highest ranked Druids wearing coats of "Many Colours ", which might explain just how important to someone in the Bible, acquiring one really was? It took over 20 years of intense Education to become a Druid remember, and the beliefs had very close parallels with Christianity, and HQ of Druid Schools was Britain, and I wonder where Christ went during those missing years, given his uncle traded with Britain. That the first above ground Christian Church outside of Jerusalem, was built in Britain , circa 47 AD, sharing a Druid School site is perhaps not a coincidence, and searching for Xhrist's Grave in Britain, may not be a fruitless task. By the way, the Glastonbury that first Christian Church was built at, was not the one down in Somerset, It was a day's horse ride from Shropshire, so li,eky the area where all the old Kings were buried, in the Midlands. If he's still alive, you will probably get a lot more useful information from Alan Wilson, and his colleague Baram Blackett. They're the ones that proved the Etruscan Language, was Welsh, and easily translatable, among so many other fascinating, and well documented things. Have a Great 2021. Bob.
Do you think the style of tomb spread with the elite? That it was a custom that came with an invasion?
Hi Evan! how are you? Very likely. But I don't think it's necessary to invoke the idea of invasion. Best - Michael
Tutankhamen was married to his older sister
That poor kid was so physically deformed, already. Horrible practice, all that incest.
Sin... mesopotamian God of the moon. Its been many years but I recall seeing this dish shaped crescent engraving on one of the large foundation stones on the outside rear of Newgrange. Always wondered what it might symbolise. Only this week discovered this deity Sin and only just recalled the engraving.???
Hmmm....just like the Windsors then......
What's living in that big aquarium back there?
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Enthralling!
Thomas Jefferson had Egyptian DNA from his Irish antecedents.
@ThePreHistoryGuys - particularly Rupert:- I've heard you mention that Christian churches are built on an east-west alignment, when nothing in Christianity pertains to that, but instantly, the first time I heard you say that, in another video, my mind was called back to my childhood; my father was a "pastor"... "From the rising of the sun and the going down of the same, the Lord's name is to be praised." Or:- Psalm 113.3 "From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets,
the name of the Lord is to be praised.", which is taken from the NIV of the Bible, a much better interpretation into modern English. Quote: "The book of Psalms contains three collections titled Hallel, with Psalms 113-118 known as the Egyptian Hallel, mainly because of their connection with Passover celebrations, commemorating Israel’s deliverance from Egypt. The psalms of the Egyptian Hallel were sung as part of the Passover ceremony, with Psalms 113-114 sung before the meal and Psalms 115-118 after the meal.". Hopefully, a little historical perspective as to why the rising and the setting of the sun is very important to Christians. BTW, I'm a HUGE fan and will become a patron ASAP.
The Irish sea got filled up before doggerland
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Passage mounds!
Here we go again, another rewriting of Irish history. I find it very hard to believe that the people of Erainn at the quoted peroid had no contact with the Albion islands. 13 Miles to Scotland from Ulster, yet we never crossed, nor they?
As for the D.N.A, from the accusation of an elite? We assume there are two races at minimum on this island at this period of the Bru na bone complex. Can we already not see the peaking through of charicteristics of Kaledonian I.e. long limbed and red hair?
When we look into the bones at Mountsandel a site estimated at 8-10,000 years old, once again in think my hypothesis will be proven, there were 2 races which have always had similar caractieristics to Kaledonian and Pictish tribes. There will never be an independent "Irish" race, because there has always been atleast 2 ethnic groups on this island.
Oh, you mean like...say...Egyptians?
It's a wonderful site.. been inside,not a big fan of the "refurb" job they did.. with no real evidence to show it was dressed on the exterior..
Thank you guys, this is an absolutely brilliant presentation, I have learnt so much and thoroughly enjoyed it!👍
Sorry but have to comment again. I know you weren't being literal but can you imagine actually having a house that was literally on top of Newgrange.
Obviously it would need to be a really ancient house itself. You could make a fortune from the ghost hunter types... 😅
I'm not sure it's reasonable to talk about incest in ancient times.
Concepts obviously vary from society to society.
Icest in the royal family to this day
Love your pod cast BUT failure to give symptoms of chronodysplasia forced me to leave your site long enough to research that disease. You guys are great.. but help your listener to understand what the freak your talking about with better definitions.
Apologies Bonnie, we will try harder! R
Incest. .?????? ..I wonder if they were like those inbred mountain people in the film "Deliverance"...boss eyed, and manically playing the Banjo.?....
Or in this case a tin whistle.
Another fascinating vid.
🤣 Many thanks from Michael! So glad you enjoyed it 😊
@@ThePrehistoryGuys Always do..from an old London er living in Spain.
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Many human beings had restricted movement in their times and areas, Are You Surprised! Do Me A Favour!
I wish the "prehistory guys" wouldn't grin and giggle so much over things that are not funny, incest being one of them.
PS. Finding Christ's Grave would only confirm Real Christianity, and help to wipe away Rome's Fake Christianity for good. 👍
eta : Alan Wilson can probably tell you exactly where He is buried. 🤔
Er... No. Facts wouldn't change anything for any believer. If it doesn't fit its fake, a lie or the work of the devil. They could find his tomb with his name, title on the door, a sign round his neck saying yes this is christ and no he didn't rise from the dead and still it'd change nothing.
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True, they conveniently pretend that the Nazis are "Right Wing" , while ignoring the Reality that Nazi is just short for German National Socialist Workers Party. The name was just shortened to broaden its appeal. There was a very large recruiting effort by the Mazis in 1930's Britain Labour Party members were heaviy re recruited, my grandparents were constantly approached, but the greatest success they had with recruiting, was with the Scpttish Nationalist Party- SNP - Plaid Cymru - Wales - and the IRA. Until Germany invaded Russia in 1941, the Communists were also heavily involved Supporting the Nazi War Efforts as well. Enemies within the Gates have always been a Serious Problem. 😕
Kinda difficult to follow. Your excitement leaves your audience behind...
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