The irony, taking consequences out of schools has increased the amount of kids getting in trouble and going to prison; at the expense of the kids who want to learn. There is an issue when you have a permissive parent and an authoritarian parent and you get the same kid. When parents are negligent there is nothing you can do if you take consequences out of school. Just ask teachers. Restorative justice started in prison juvinalmjustice system and when a kid chooses to continue negative behavior there is a consequence and they go to general population. This does not happen in schools where violent children continue their behavior. We need in district schools and even facilities that have counselors and in between prison system. We can NOT save all families and children
"School to prison pipeline" suggests educators are responsible for behavior that stems from the home. That a child who runs afoul of the law was failed by the "system," and not their parents. Politicians and other groups serve their own interests by promising to improve the "system," which according to them, is to blame for Johnny's behavior. Politically and financially, there is little to be gained from acknowledging the inconvenient truth- that the family is the single most important institution in a child's life.
Wholeness and love, I appreciate your reflections. I currently operate a restorative justice grant in new Jersey and I think it may be a good idea for the speakers to actually take a RJ training to learn the the actual details of how the process works
How does RJ good accountable the actions these kids are taking? What I'm seeing is a great intention, I really applaud the effort to get to the root cause of bad behavior but it still doesn't addr as the fact that humans need to know there are boundaries and consequences to our actions. I feel like RJ is taking the heat away from the flame--we are told it'll burn if we touch so don't touch but then curiosity wins and we touch, only to realize there was no heat. We've been fed a lie that bad things happen to people that don't follow the rules. What's to really stop that human nature of curiosity to test and test and retest? This might get kids through school, but it doesn't set them up for the real world. If you cause trouble at work you can lose your job. If you lose your job you can lose your car, then home and health insurance and ability to feed yourself. You can become homeless. The blows will keep coming if you don't stop your bad behavior and get in line to be a productive member of society. We all have to make sacrifices for the betterment of everyone around us. Driving in traffic; we let others merge, we slow down and we use our signals. Our safety is on the line and so is others around us. Without real consequences what's to stop someone from caring about anything outside of their own impulses to do whatever, whenever, wherever? As these kids are in detention, and getting suspended they'll miss out on instruction. They'll be behind and then face consequences for the consequences. This compounding, snowball effect, teaches them that one bad move can have a very long lasting effect of their life and their future. The bigger the trouble the more they have to lose. Making bad choices has very real effects and taking those away is really a disservice to children. Again, they might graduate and pass a test but they'll be expecting their bosses or the police to give them the same breaks they were given as children and will have little respect for authority. This is something we are seeing, increasingly, in the communities. I'm all for getting to the root cause but it doesn't mean a true punishment should be taken away. Tough love is an older and tested and proven approach. It's what used to happen. Mess up and get in trouble at school. Then go home and get in more trouble for getting in trouble. Then being made to confront and apologize and making the student come up with a plan to make sure this doesn't happen again. Then, they'll use their free time to study extra to make up for the time they lost in school because of their punishment. That type of approach, making children work extra hard to make up for that they lost in school because if their behavior is a much better approach. Teaches hard work, accountability, and all while earning them respect for themselves and respect for others.
@bciecko1 As a teacher, I agree 100% because RJ does not work, especially with repeated offenders who violate school rules, knowing that nothing will happen to them.
Just so you two know, making pancakes and caring about the students is EXACTLY WHAT the principles of RJ encourages - when implemented properly, unlike the Principals you are referencing. Expand your research and your minds.
The irony, taking consequences out of schools has increased the amount of kids getting in trouble and going to prison; at the expense of the kids who want to learn. There is an issue when you have a permissive parent and an authoritarian parent and you get the same kid. When parents are negligent there is nothing you can do if you take consequences out of school. Just ask teachers. Restorative justice started in prison juvinalmjustice system and when a kid chooses to continue negative behavior there is a consequence and they go to general population. This does not happen in schools where violent children continue their behavior. We need in district schools and even facilities that have counselors and in between prison system. We can NOT save all families and children
"School to prison pipeline" suggests educators are responsible for behavior that stems from the home. That a child who runs afoul of the law was failed by the "system," and not their parents. Politicians and other groups serve their own interests by promising to improve the "system," which according to them, is to blame for Johnny's behavior. Politically and financially, there is little to be gained from acknowledging the inconvenient truth- that the family is the single most important institution in a child's life.
Sorry Dexter, it takes a village to raise a child and teachers have enormous influence - it is not the family alone.
@@dynellforman5414 we agree it's not family alone. But family is the top factor.
Restorative Justice does not work. It’s a free pass for kids to act like assholes.
It works for tier one kids but not 2 and 3 extreme kids
Wholeness and love, I appreciate your reflections. I currently operate a restorative justice grant in new Jersey and I think it may be a good idea for the speakers to actually take a RJ training to learn the the actual details of how the process works
How does RJ good accountable the actions these kids are taking? What I'm seeing is a great intention, I really applaud the effort to get to the root cause of bad behavior but it still doesn't addr as the fact that humans need to know there are boundaries and consequences to our actions. I feel like RJ is taking the heat away from the flame--we are told it'll burn if we touch so don't touch but then curiosity wins and we touch, only to realize there was no heat. We've been fed a lie that bad things happen to people that don't follow the rules. What's to really stop that human nature of curiosity to test and test and retest?
This might get kids through school, but it doesn't set them up for the real world. If you cause trouble at work you can lose your job. If you lose your job you can lose your car, then home and health insurance and ability to feed yourself. You can become homeless. The blows will keep coming if you don't stop your bad behavior and get in line to be a productive member of society. We all have to make sacrifices for the betterment of everyone around us. Driving in traffic; we let others merge, we slow down and we use our signals. Our safety is on the line and so is others around us. Without real consequences what's to stop someone from caring about anything outside of their own impulses to do whatever, whenever, wherever?
As these kids are in detention, and getting suspended they'll miss out on instruction. They'll be behind and then face consequences for the consequences. This compounding, snowball effect, teaches them that one bad move can have a very long lasting effect of their life and their future. The bigger the trouble the more they have to lose. Making bad choices has very real effects and taking those away is really a disservice to children. Again, they might graduate and pass a test but they'll be expecting their bosses or the police to give them the same breaks they were given as children and will have little respect for authority. This is something we are seeing, increasingly, in the communities.
I'm all for getting to the root cause but it doesn't mean a true punishment should be taken away. Tough love is an older and tested and proven approach. It's what used to happen. Mess up and get in trouble at school. Then go home and get in more trouble for getting in trouble. Then being made to confront and apologize and making the student come up with a plan to make sure this doesn't happen again. Then, they'll use their free time to study extra to make up for the time they lost in school because of their punishment. That type of approach, making children work extra hard to make up for that they lost in school because if their behavior is a much better approach. Teaches hard work, accountability, and all while earning them respect for themselves and respect for others.
@bciecko1 As a teacher, I agree 100% because RJ does not work, especially with repeated offenders who violate school rules, knowing that nothing will happen to them.
Just so you two know, making pancakes and caring about the students is EXACTLY WHAT the principles of RJ encourages - when implemented properly, unlike the Principals you are referencing. Expand your research and your minds.