Each new Schönberg piece is like wading ever deeper into cold water. Beginning with the feet and ankles, Verklärte Nacht (which is quite Romantic I believe), and then onwards. This is maybe the waist. But the thing is of course, one gets used to the temperature. And I like music that's like jumping in a frozen river too, which this is far from. That 'frozen river' music is invigorating and important, even if it will kill you if you stay in too long.
well said. a lot of folks just can't surrender to the dense contrapuntal forest of crisp crossing melody lines, chromatics and atonal harmonies, to say nothing of the traipsing and yet wildly on point violin part. I prefer your take. there is a lot of music in schoenberg.
He is more than that. The piano concerto op 42 moves into a realm that goes way beyond romanticism. His solo piano works always pointed the way to a dry and austere impressionism that leaves Beethovens Eroica as a monstrous but nearly hollow example of hysteria and emotion.
Pure exuberant livingness. Fuck today's so called mind numbing 'mindfulness'!!!! T his is my MINDFULNESS!! I've loved this music and was patient with myself enough to take 20 years to learn to HEAR it. But when I was 17 or 18 this stuff was love at first sound. The world will catch up.
If it's any consolation to the commenters below, this piece is so technically difficult for the solo that most violinists eschew it. So chances are you'll never hear it in concert.
coming from a non-western background anyway, this to me is no more or no less listenable than bach or mozart. i dont see how schonbergs music can be "without emotion." such statements are in my opinion pure nonsense. its like saying beethoven always sounds angry and wagner constipated. schonbergs music is no doubt some of the most heartfelt ever contrived.
This is in keeping what I thought Schoenberg's music was like. No, I am not a fan. However, it is in the mix of pushing on the tradition and expanding what music is about.
Am I right in thinking that Schoenberg is the father of 'harmonious' discord and abstract forms devoid of the 'base' subjective emotion but seeks a more noble inner spiritual discipline that is very forward of its time. Its a composition that befits an abstract painting of color and form.
Nobody seems to have pointed out that this is a historical recording: by Louis Krasner, who created it with Stockowski in 1940 and has already created Berg's concerto; here he is with Mitropoulos. Excusez du peu...
I think you are partly right; moreover it's also a question of getting used to it. For me, who mostly a listener of post- or pretonal music, it's major-minor tonality which sounds a bit odd.
Szymanowski i Schoenberg to osoby z tej samej epoki. Jeden urodził się w 1882, drugi w 1874. Mając różne korzenie kulturowe i środowiskowe tworzyli muzykę (zgodnie zresztą z ówczesną modą) nową, nowoczesną i odbiegającą od tradycyjnych rozwiązań. Szymanowski jest bardziej emocjonalny, Schoenberg abstrakcyjny, wręcz radykalnie nowatorski (przypominam, ze propagował teorię łączenia wybranych kolorów z poszczególnymi dźwiękami i w taki sposób "widział" swoją muzykę). Pozdrawiam.
Nie przepadam nadmiernie za taką muzyką. Robi, co prawda, wrażenie zagranej z energią, ale po dłuższym słuchaniu męczy swoim intelektualizmem (jak sztalugowe malarstwo abstrakcyjne). Jest jednak w niej coś fascynującego. Muzyka bez melodii. Fale i chmurki dźwięków przeskakujące lub, jak ameba, przelewające się, znikąd do nikąd. Gdybym musiał kogoś wybrać z kompozytorów tamtej epoki i stylu, to chętniej posłuchałbym Szymanowskiego.
Oh dear,I allowed the Krenek to run on, and into the Schonberg vn conc', while browsing through current New Yorker when I became aware that I was not hearing Krenek. What I was an am hearing is Noise. "86!"
Szymanowski to kompletnie inny styl muzyki. Szymanowski jest zmysłowy i mistyczny - Schoenberg abstrakcyjny i metafizyczny. Jeden z nich tworzy rzeczywistość fantastyczną, choć nierzadko mroczną i nieprzystępną - drugi deformuje rzeczywistość istniejącą, przepuszcza przez pryzmat umysłu chorego i genialnego zarazem. To trochę jakby porównywać Muncha do abstrakcjonistów. Epoka też nie do końca ta sama. Szymanowski zatrzymał się na modernizmie, a Schoenberg wybiegał w przyszłość.
@UCKW3J0e76NY0BWEocm8IZxA Ironically, I find that it's precisely those who question the use of the word "irony" who do not understand it. Also, I said what I meant to say. Comprehend what you read, sir.
Why don't you just say whatever it is that you think about the music? And forget using the word 'irony' until you gain an understanding of what it actually means.
oh my, anxiety, desperation, unsettlement and agony all over the place. Held my breath so many times. it's gorgeous
An absolute masterpiece. Mi vengono i brividi a sentirlo e mi strappa il cuore e mi fa piangere
A great composer, a genius.
Each new Schönberg piece is like wading ever deeper into cold water. Beginning with the feet and ankles, Verklärte Nacht (which is quite Romantic I believe), and then onwards. This is maybe the waist. But the thing is of course, one gets used to the temperature. And I like music that's like jumping in a frozen river too, which this is far from. That 'frozen river' music is invigorating and important, even if it will kill you if you stay in too long.
There’s so much music in Schoenberg!
well said. a lot of folks just can't surrender to the dense contrapuntal forest of crisp crossing melody lines, chromatics and atonal harmonies, to say nothing of the traipsing and yet wildly on point violin part. I prefer your take. there is a lot of music in schoenberg.
Love this piece. The melody in the violin at the beginning is awesome. And I love every time it comes back. Exhilerating!
I agree, to me, Schonberg is a very late Romantic. However Webern is really abstract. But both are two facets of expressionism.
This is correct
He is more than that. The piano concerto op 42 moves into a realm that goes way beyond romanticism. His solo piano works always pointed the way to a dry and austere impressionism that leaves Beethovens Eroica as a monstrous but nearly hollow example of hysteria and emotion.
The painting is a nice complement to the music.
I believe Gabriele Münter was one of the most underrated artists of the 20th century.
This is great stuff!
A masterpiece !
Thanks
Pure exuberant livingness. Fuck today's so called mind numbing 'mindfulness'!!!! T
his is my MINDFULNESS!! I've loved this music and was patient with myself enough to take 20 years to learn to HEAR it. But when I was 17 or 18 this stuff was love at first sound. The world will catch up.
If it's any consolation to the commenters below, this piece is so technically difficult for the solo that most violinists eschew it. So chances are you'll never hear it in concert.
Tony Villamotte I will! Violinist Patricia Kopatchinskaja in Lugano Switzerland in a bunch of days :))
@@MsFrancescaF I heard Kopatchinskaja play it in Munich. She was as brilliant as ever.
Stravinsky says the violin concerto of no composer in history has been his masterpiece - except for the Schoenberg Concerto
CI TROVO L' ALIENAZIONE DELL' UOMO CONTEMPORANEO IN UNA SOCIETA' CHE LO RENDE TALE. ESPRESSIVO.
so beautiful :)
Great!Insert from life,drama!!!🖤🖤🖤
BEL CONCERTO
coming from a non-western background anyway, this to me is no more or no less listenable than bach or mozart. i dont see how schonbergs music can be "without emotion." such statements are in my opinion pure nonsense. its like saying beethoven always sounds angry and wagner constipated. schonbergs music is no doubt some of the most heartfelt ever contrived.
Speak for yourself
No u!
O mestre...
Maravillosa interpretación.
This is in keeping what I thought Schoenberg's music was like. No, I am not a fan. However, it is in the mix of pushing on the tradition and expanding what music is about.
May I suggest Verklaerte Nacht and the First Quartet, as well as the Chamber Symphonies? Some 'different' Schoenberg, all of which is quite beautiful.
@@klop4228 I have listened to Verklaerte Nacht. It has been a while so I have just now lined it up another listen.
Am I right in thinking that Schoenberg is the father of 'harmonious' discord and abstract forms devoid of the 'base' subjective emotion but seeks a more noble inner spiritual discipline that is very forward of its time. Its a composition that befits an abstract painting of color and form.
im busy reading symes roman revolution
Nobody seems to have pointed out that this is a historical recording: by Louis Krasner, who created it with Stockowski in 1940 and has already created Berg's concerto; here he is with Mitropoulos. Excusez du peu...
I'd say, this is how anxiety sounds.
dimwalker Really? To me it feels particularly playful and almost inviting to dance
+dimwalker
I think you are partly right; moreover it's also a question of getting used to it. For me, who mostly a listener of post- or pretonal music, it's major-minor tonality which sounds a bit odd.
+Olrac Sobi
lucky you
Sciarade-moderno classico che non rompe l'armonia rompendola
My enjoyment of this piece is very dependent on who is performing, especially the soloist. Hilary Hahn, Swedish Radio S.O. Nice.
Szymanowski i Schoenberg to osoby z tej samej epoki. Jeden urodził się w 1882, drugi w 1874. Mając różne korzenie kulturowe i środowiskowe tworzyli muzykę (zgodnie zresztą z ówczesną modą) nową, nowoczesną i odbiegającą od tradycyjnych rozwiązań. Szymanowski jest bardziej emocjonalny, Schoenberg abstrakcyjny, wręcz radykalnie nowatorski (przypominam, ze propagował teorię łączenia wybranych kolorów z poszczególnymi dźwiękami i w taki sposób "widział" swoją muzykę). Pozdrawiam.
es genial, nada que hacer
:)
:)
It's very tragic.
Nie przepadam nadmiernie za taką muzyką. Robi, co prawda, wrażenie zagranej z energią, ale po dłuższym słuchaniu męczy swoim intelektualizmem (jak sztalugowe malarstwo abstrakcyjne). Jest jednak w niej coś fascynującego. Muzyka bez melodii. Fale i chmurki dźwięków przeskakujące lub, jak ameba, przelewające się, znikąd do nikąd. Gdybym musiał kogoś wybrać z kompozytorów tamtej epoki i stylu, to chętniej posłuchałbym Szymanowskiego.
Dramático y punzante.
Is this copyright free I want to use it in my short film
Oh dear,I allowed the Krenek to run on, and into the Schonberg vn conc', while browsing through current New Yorker when I became aware that I was not hearing Krenek. What I was an am hearing is Noise. "86!"
Didn't ask, chief!
Szymanowski to kompletnie inny styl muzyki. Szymanowski jest zmysłowy i mistyczny - Schoenberg abstrakcyjny i metafizyczny. Jeden z nich tworzy rzeczywistość fantastyczną, choć nierzadko mroczną i nieprzystępną - drugi deformuje rzeczywistość istniejącą, przepuszcza przez pryzmat umysłu chorego i genialnego zarazem. To trochę jakby porównywać Muncha do abstrakcjonistów. Epoka też nie do końca ta sama. Szymanowski zatrzymał się na modernizmie, a Schoenberg wybiegał w przyszłość.
from who are the paintings please?
+Archibald Bruno i think kandinsky
thank you very much!
+Archibald Bruno Hi, the description says painting by Gabriele Muenter, hope that helps
@@massimopisoni7269 It says "painting by Gabriele Muenter"
It says "painting by Gabriele Muenter"
May I ask the name and artist of the painting?
Well it says "painting by Gabriele Muenter" so I assume Gabriele Muenter is the artist. The name is Lenbachhaus.
A army of defenders in this comment section, while ironically a total absence of negative criticism. Bizarrely insecure protectionism, I think.
@UCKW3J0e76NY0BWEocm8IZxA Ironically, I find that it's precisely those who question the use of the word "irony" who do not understand it. Also, I said what I meant to say. Comprehend what you read, sir.
Why don't you just say whatever it is that you think about the music? And forget using the word 'irony' until you gain an understanding of what it actually means.
Popeyes odyssey after dropping acid.
PURE FILTH.
The mix you've got there, A1!
why do you feel compelled to show your ignorance and stupidity? It will stay here forever.
Joshua Price Yes, we know you what you are, but what relevance has it to the music?
violin concerto? more like violin cancerto
Very clever. I'm sure you were just sitting on that one for days, trying to find the right piece.