Talk about LAZY! All he needed was a 30 second Google search! What little I know about mountaineering is from watching TH-cam videos. There are many well researched and informative options on TH-cam. If a person gets such a simple fact wrong then they lose their credibility with me!
Interesting documentary and new fragments. I am missing the remarkable survival of the Dutch mountaineer Wilco van Rooijen who spend 2! nights above 8000mtr (over 60 hours in the deadzone) and made it in the direction of Camp 3 (snow blinded) by himself where he was rescued by Cas van de Gevel and Pemba Gyalje Sherpa. Pemba went up a couple of times to rescue other mountaineers and was honored by National Graphic in doing so.
I didn’t think mountains could be “conquered.” At best they may allow you to summit and return, providing that climbers use their heads and common sense. There is no shame in turning back.
Well, the guy who gave it its nickname The Savage Mountain said it tries to kill you, so if you climb it and it doesn't kill you, I'd have to say you conquered it. Hard mountains [even not so hard ones, sometimes] always try to kill you. They may put more effort into at some times than others but I don't think they ever just allow anyone to climb them.
One serious act of negligence relating to the 2008 deaths on K2 is that the Koreans had split into two teams; Team A and Team B. Team B were intending to summit the following day after Team A's attempt. They were on the Shoulder but called off their attempt due to the unfolding disaster. They were in the best position to go to the aid of their fellow climbers but instead, while they cowered in their tents, they ordered two Sherpa, who were exhausted after summitting the day before, to attempt to rescue their friends. An appalling act of cowardice that deserves to be reported.
According to the various documentaries about that day, the South Koreans were horrible. They wanted help but would not give it. They treated their sherpas as if they were slaves, and made demands of them that were far and away outside the Sherpa’s regular duties. Sadly, I’ve heard this is not unusual for South Korean climbers.
@@realnapster1522 No. Two Sherpa climbed up from Camp 4 [after summitting the day before] and got the two Koreans and their Sherpa relative moving down the Bottleneck. Sadly they were hit by another ice avalanche killing all of them except one of the Sherpa rescuers. That was in the afternoon. Had the Korean B team gone to their comrades aid at first light, all would have survived.
Thank god I’m afraid of heights and hate the cold. If not, my drunken spending may have bought me a 1 way ticket to some peak. Just wondering though, what’s the difference in K2 and Everest from base to peak. I’ve heard Denali is a helluva climb, physically, because it’s base to peak exceeds Everest, and it’s more remote. Obviously it’s 10k shorter from sea level Than K2/Everest. Believe me I have never climbed a mountain without my car, but I watch a lot of videos and like to know stuff 😁👍🇺🇸
Everest is not technically difficult while K2 is relentlessly steep. Everest usually has a window of stable weather when the monsoon winds change direction. K2 is further north than Everest and does not benefit from the shifting monsoon winds. K2 is colder and experiences worse weather than Everest. There's been many years when no climber manages to summit K2 due to appalling conditions. Mount McKinley is a challenging climb and is often used by climbers as part of their training for an Everest attempt but at 20,310' [just over 6,000m] climbers do not require supplemental oxygen.
@@leftylefty77Seriously? No. Sherpas are born and live their entire lives at higher altitudes than most. The mountains are part of everyday life. And you think some guy from Britain taught them? I don’t care how great a mountaineer George Mallory was- your comment defies logic.
@@leftylefty77Yeah no, absolutely not. Sherpas have been around for millennia’s and their biology has adapted to the changes in altitude, their blood levels are higher than the average person and can handle high altitudes, meaning they live on the mountains, they have biologically adapted to withstand the temperatures and conditions on there too. They’ve been climbing for years, before mallory.
I'm not sure I agree; Fredrik Sträng decided early - well below bneck - to call off his task due to delays everywhere, and indeed severe disorganisation due to the doubtful joint effort. Then, indeed, he participated in the rescue efforts described in the vid. He was clever, Fredrik, and for your info, consequently he's still alive.
Why ask about the commercialization of K2 when the answer is already obvious? As always, my sympathies are with those who must climb to feed their families. Everyone else constitutes collateral damages to those good folks.
Although this mountain catastrophe was well known to me it was very interesting to watch your video! Although some scenes are not taken on the savage mountain and you mix film scenes with real pictures everything fits together so well and gives us an idea of this tragic day. Of course there are longer videos about but yours is an ideal possibility to get clear and short information. If one is interested in details now he will find more footage here on TH-cam.
The mountains didn’t kill them. They put themself in danger. They take their own life. The mountains is a beautiful mountains. These people over estimate themself and their capabilities. After all they forgot they are human beings not super hero.
what do you expect, their very first basic info is wrong, at 00:10 they say K2 is the "Killer Mountain", but that goes for Nanga Parbat, K2 is the Savage Mountain.
There is actually a K2 documentary on YT that covers this incident way better. They interviewed the people who survived & they actually have real footage from when they were on K2, which actually shows some of the accidents. Its just insane. I wish i could remember the name, but its at least an hour long. It also covers a major controversy that happened afterwards. I fell in love eith Ger from Ireland!
HAP stands for High Altitude Porter. There is a really good book about this incident titled “No Way Down”. This documentary barely scratched the surface of what happened.
Thank you. I get sick of undefined acronyms people throw around like confetti. Trying to search for their meaning usually gets over 100 variations. E.g. There is a hard steel used for making knives, called "HAP 40" - and I still haven't a clue what that acronym stands for. In a medical dictionary, "HAP" indicates some chromosome or another.
@@davesmith5656 You’re welcome. The HAPs are native Pakistanis who live in that region and they hire themselves out as High Altitude Porters to western climbers much like the Sherpa people do around Everest. I highly recommend the book I mentioned above. That’s where I learned about the climbers and the HAPs.
In 2024, I plan on an expedition to Cho Oyo my first 8,000 meter peak. K2 is quite beyond my technical skill. All 8,000 meter peaks will become like Everest after time. The question involves if you want to summit in the winter or summer, every other circumstance aside; you have to ask yourself, if the summit is worth dying for.
I think that's some of the best footage of those events that I've seen on four videos about it. The narrative was also very clear, easy to follow, narrated very well, and informative. The story of the American who decided to abort his climb is new (smart guy). For once, I managed to locate the position of the fallen Serb climber. The angles of the traverse after the Bottleneck really bring out how steep that section is. Some of the other footage - like the very dramatic shot of the guy getting hit by a block of ice - is new to me. Just a suggestion to make it even better: label the footage, like that shot of the black rock face with several climbers on it ... was that the ":Black Pyramid"?
What is so special about climbing a mountain. When your family is left waiting for news that you don't make it frozen like a block of ice for what. Your family is left with a burden they have to bear my father is on a cold mountain dead. Selfish.
@@juderussell7112 ---- My condolences to you. I just watched a video about hikers out in the western U.S. getting wiped out by a flash flood in "Keyhole Canyon". Those people made their own choices, I guess, maybe it's an assertion of freedom?
Fact: Nanga Parbat (9th highest mountain is the fastest Growing Mountain: Nanga Parbat As of 2005, the 8,126-meter (26,660ft) peak is reportedly growing at a rate of 0.27 inches per year, which puts it on track to outstrip Everest as the world's tallest peak in around 241,000 years.
Cool info. The moon moves away from earth at about the same speed as fingernails grow. So in a few billion years… Seriously though, that’s neat info. Thanks.
I've climbed a few mountains myself, but I have never been afflicted with the OCD that gets these people killed. I have just always been too afraid of death to take the risks that these people take. Being Autistic, we feel pain differently than neuro-typicals do!!!
So if you drink 6 liters a day, in high altitude, do you have to pee as often as you would on flat ground, or does the reduced pressure somehow make it so that the water is retained that much more? I wonder how they go to pee (especially women) without freezing on the mountain. And if you have to drink that much, I would have to pee every 15 minutes, which would mean I could not reach the top within a day or so. There has to be something to it that I'm clueless about 😅
On a deaths to attempts ratio, Annapurna I is the deadliest of the 8000 m peaks. Fun fact: more people have been in space than have been on the summit of Annapurna I.
I'm betting it probably will end up like everest even though I can't believe there's that many people willing to pay that much to get to the top. I admit I do want to do a everest base camp trek but me being from miami I ain't going no where on earth if there's a chance I'm going to freeze to death
You got yourself a subscriber. This is perfect content, with nothing you can do better. Unfortunately the video essay part of TH-cam is a crowded place which is hard to stand out of. But I hope the TH-cam algorithm will bless you
Why would you want to?It was because of mainly his decision to keep going even after a very late start and the fall and death of the first Serbian climber,He made himself that self appointed leader,we all seen it on the movie documentary in the tent meeting where he was acting as though he was telling all these other international climbers on what day they could summit!! Wilco to me turned out to become an excuse maker and a coward when it mattered most!!
Ill just go ahead and say this.. that (insert mountain name) beat me. I never left my couch, but the fuckin mountain won. Stick with me and ill save your life.
K2 is so "deadly" that 195 people climbed it last season, many with Sherpa support and porters. There were long lineups to the top like what you see on Everest and trash everywhere. It is actually becoming the next Everest because it is much cheaper to climb. If the weather is good, an average climber can now be guided to the top of K2 on the common route. Annapurna is for serious climbers only and has a higher summit-to-death ratio than K2, especially after last season.
@@barte4215 Again, 195 people climbed it last season, many of whom were average climbers (not beginners, obviously) guided to the top by expert guides - just like you see on Everest. Weather is everything on the common route on K2. Last season the weather was good on K2 and many average climbers were guided to the top. I saw photos of long lineups to the top and trash everywhere - again, just like Everest. K2 has now dropped so far below Annapurna in summit-to-death ratio, it's hilarious!
"Waiting for the opportunity to conquer this peak..." what a joke! When the climbers leave, or remain behind as corpses, the mountain is still the same, it's still there, and there is no conquest. People really have a fat headed attitude about what they do. You climb a mountain, but it is never "conquered"... it wasn't fighting the climbers, the climbers went to it voluntarily...! 😅. If anything, the mountain conquers those who die on the slopes.
If you are going to make these kind of videos I think it would be good if you get the basic facts straight. K2 is NOT called Killer Mountain. That is the nickname of Nanga Parbat. K2 is called The Savage Mountain.
Agree. But the guy does give the Sherpa or Pakistani name of the mountain, which I had never heard before, and he did such a good job with the rest of the video ... I let it slide. At least he didn't say something like "Me and him went ...."🤣
Good catch. I thought it was strange that he did not use the Savage Mountain moniker. Never heard of a local name for K2. I always thought the mountain was so remote it had no name and that K2 was a designation given by a British survey.
@@leftylefty77 --- You're right. Karakoram range, and the brit surveyors chopped off the arakoram part so K1, K2, K3 ...Kn sprang up from the seas! P.S. Also, the K's fit more neatly on the maps.
All of these names are ridiculous. They're non sentient topographical features..They can't kill anything, display savagery. can't be " conquered" because they can't fight. They're not "unforgiving,", because they can't hold a grudge.The characters and names are given by climbers, for personal cachet. You'd think making it to the summit would be enough, but apparently not.
Not so "Savage" after last season. 195 people climbed it last season, many with Sherpa support and porters. There were long lineups to the top like what you see on Everest and trash everywhere. It is actually becoming the next Everest because it is much cheaper to climb. If the weather is good, an average climber can now be guided to the top of K2 on the common route. Annapurna is for serious climbers only and has a higher summit-to-death ratio than K2, especially after last season.
The disaster happened because each and every one of those bar one, ignored their turnaround time. If C Skog had gone back when her partner decided to quit her husband would still be alive, Ger died because he couldn't descend leaving climbers in difficulty, he is a hero, as are the Sherpa. The rest are egotistical narcissists.
Well well, indeed many bad decisions were made that day of course, but who are we to judge - armchair mountaineers as we are? But I agree that it seems odd to rejoice at the summit when friends have persished a few hours ago below...
It was a cluster from the getgo. Fixed ropes weren’t set. Not enough rope taken to camp 4, late start, people not fulfilling commitments, teams that had never climbed together, language barriers…on and on. Not just one issue. Sooooo many. The team that stayed at camp 4 lives to help the survivors and tell the story. They didn’t summit, but they lived to climb again.
All our mountains have become over crowded and polluted, with the Haps and Sherpas doing all the hard work anyway. Give me Alpine at 8000 ft even anyday!
I think the term "casualties" is being used incorrectly here. I think we are measuring deaths here, not casualties. If you break an arm on the mountain, you are a casualty.
Wrong. In the US army casualties are soldiers killed. A caualty can also be somebody wounded out who can not fight any longer. Can be 30 casualties = 17 dead 13 wounded.
145 in one day means it already is commercial. Will we see 100 dead in a day? Long queues, long delays, dozens of little black dots in the billowing clouds of falling ice. I got to 18000 ft when into high mountain scrambling, and found it not worth trying to go any higher…law of diminishing returns. You’ve seen most of it by 18000, I decided. This account only confirms my impression.
Nepal sold 478 passes in 2023, 17 have died and 2 more are a possibility. K2 issued 1700 passes and has had one death in 2023. Of those that climbed K2 there were 112 plus summitting...impressive with one death so far. So this will vary from year to year.
I am so sorry to see this video but one thing I cannot understand why they not think about their family left behind them wife children old mother father any one should twice think before such crazy decision Life is so valuable and not to die on K2
At 21:34 the image shown is from Everest. Throughout the video also other sequences are randomly included as supposedly being from K2. The rest is copied from a BBC documentary.
I know the safety ropes are placed beforehand for the safety of the climbers but how can someone say they have conquered a mountain when they got outside help?
Because no one can do the climbing for you. That's the hard part. That's the part that matters. That ropes are already in place is irrelevant to how gruelling the physical aspects of climbing are on your body, and how truly impressive it is if you can do it. The ropes don't make climbing easier on you.
@@alicedangerI'm pretty sure setting your own ropes makes it drastically harder. So yes set ropes makes its 100% easier. You don't have to carry all the extra gear and set your own line
@@higherlifts420 You are suggesting it's easy to climb K2 - to the point your accomplishment should be derided and ignored - just because you didn't have to carry some extra gear. That's stupid and insulting to the climbers. There is no set of circumstances where climbing K2 is easy. THEN you have to descend the mountain, and that's the deadliest part. Saying not carrying the gear is easier is like saying the fire burning you is only 1000 degrees instead of 2000. It's not as bad, no, but it's not easier. You're still going to die.
@@alicedanger You don't seem to know what you're talking about. He didn't say it was easy. He said it was drastically harder [and drastically more dangerous] to have to set your own ropes. With set ropes, you clip in and climb. If you're in good shape, barring a storm, altitude sickness, avalanche or ice or rock fall you'll basically walk up an established trail, usually with supplemental oxygen and summit. And more and more of these climbing tourists have little or no climbing experience. Send them to Baintha Brak or Trango Towers and see how they do. If you spend enough money and throw enough resources at something you can make it safer [not safe, but safer], easier and more widely available. But in doing so you make it less special. IMO only Alpine style climbers are true mountaineers. Look up Tomaz Humar's attempt on the south face of Dhaulagiri or the first ascent of The Ogre by Chris Bonnington and Doug Scott to see what real mountaineering is like.
I`m not a climber but I do not believe anyone conquers a mountain like that . Maybe the mountain gods let you get to the top & back down. far short of conquering
"Only climbable in the Summer"? A couple of years ago two teams of Nepalese climbers reached the summit together in winter. Apart from Nims Purja they were all or nearly all sherpas, of course.
If you find yourself above the highest camp AT NIGHT on K2 you’re basically a dead person walking (if you’re lucky enough to still be walking). That’s truly a nightmarish scenario.
good video but the actual footage of the actual people is on youtube rolfs wife did not reach the poles until after K2 the guy who let go was filmed by camera forgot to turn off etc Its interesting to note that there is more life at the bottom of the ocean on volcano vents than in the death zone. bodies don't even decay, completely void of life
Not so much "trophy" anymore. 195 people climbed K2 last season, many with Sherpa support and porters. There were long lineups to the top like what you see on Everest and trash everywhere. It is actually becoming the next Everest because it is much cheaper to climb. If the weather is good, an average climber can now be guided to the top of K2 on the common route. Annapurna is for serious climbers only and has a higher summit-to-death ratio than K2, especially after last season.
For years in previous centuries we refer to years as nineteen o eight or eighteen o eight , so don’t see anything wrong with twenty o eight . I believe it sounds strange because since the millennium we have referred to the year as two thousand and then carried on it that fashion ie two thousand and eight rather the twenty o eight, something that was not done in previous centuries.
It's kind of weird but if You're either within the atmosphere alive and normal in between the atmosphere which is a death zone or above the atmosphere which causes you to age slower ant it funny how all that works
These people are to be despised not revered. They are the worst not the best of humanity. Climbing above 8000m should come with absolutely compulsory, non negotiable expertise, proven skill and unwavering adherence to Sherpa recommendations, at the threat of criminal prosecution and jail time. Everest has become a trashy vacation resort for influencers who place unimaginable burdens on everyone in their vicinity. K2 will go the same way. I have never and will never mourn the loss of someone who so selfishly subjects others and nature to such crass behaviour.
Karim's death was determined, there is a pic showing him wandering above the serac well off line, he then fell over the serac and Marco thought that was Gerard as they both had red down suits
It is not true that one out of every four mountaineers who try to summit K2 dies. The number is summits, not attempts, i.e., for ever four successful summits there is one death somewhere on the mountain. The great majority of summit attempts end in failure, and the mountaineer goes home.
Much too many amateur climbers make it dangerous for everyone...and these Mountaineer Organizations accept the momey...Making money offers that the sherpas greedily cannot turn down. Limits must've set formally climbers of all abilities...but PLEASE..NO RICH AMATEURS!!!
I wish the narrator and others like him would refrain from using the word 'conquer'. The very idea of conquering a mountain or any other natural element is ludicrous. You may climb a mountain and that's it - you climbed it. The mountain is not then subservient.
I am from gilgit Baltistan, the same place.. we call Nanga Parbat mountain as a killer mountain..and k2 savage mountain
Talk about LAZY! All he needed was a 30 second Google search! What little I know about mountaineering is from watching TH-cam videos. There are many well researched and informative options on TH-cam. If a person gets such a simple fact wrong then they lose their credibility with me!
Interesting documentary and new fragments. I am missing the remarkable survival of the Dutch mountaineer Wilco van Rooijen who spend 2! nights above 8000mtr (over 60 hours in the deadzone) and made it in the direction of Camp 3 (snow blinded) by himself where he was rescued by Cas van de Gevel and Pemba Gyalje Sherpa. Pemba went up a couple of times to rescue other mountaineers and was honored by National Graphic in doing so.
I remember that one......yeah.....very cool survival story there.
The original Wilco footage m.th-cam.com/video/KaHr1_5ujoM/w-d-xo.html
I didn’t think mountains could be “conquered.” At best they may allow you to summit and return, providing that climbers use their heads and common sense. There is no shame in turning back.
Well, the guy who gave it its nickname The Savage Mountain said it tries to kill you, so if you climb it and it doesn't kill you, I'd have to say you conquered it.
Hard mountains [even not so hard ones, sometimes] always try to kill you. They may put more effort into at some times than others but I don't think they ever just allow anyone to climb them.
Mountains are dead matter and can "allow" nothing.
My sentiments exactly, if you're fortunate then you may reach the summit & return, but 'conquering' the mountain? I think not.
@@keithlloyd4254One of the 3 different definitions of conquer is to successfully climb a mountain. It is the correct word to use.
con·quer
/ˈkäNGkər/
climb (a mountain) successfully.
"the second American to conquer Everest"
One serious act of negligence relating to the 2008 deaths on K2 is that the Koreans had split into two teams; Team A and Team B.
Team B were intending to summit the following day after Team A's attempt.
They were on the Shoulder but called off their attempt due to the unfolding disaster.
They were in the best position to go to the aid of their fellow climbers but instead, while they cowered in their tents, they ordered two Sherpa, who were exhausted after summitting the day before, to attempt to rescue their friends.
An appalling act of cowardice that deserves to be reported.
According to the various documentaries about that day, the South Koreans were horrible. They wanted help but would not give it. They treated their sherpas as if they were slaves, and made demands of them that were far and away outside the Sherpa’s regular duties. Sadly, I’ve heard this is not unusual for South Korean climbers.
This is K2. Even most expert climbers are unable to do anything. They would have been dead if they tried to help.
@@realnapster1522 No. Two Sherpa climbed up from Camp 4 [after summitting the day before] and got the two Koreans and their Sherpa relative moving down the Bottleneck.
Sadly they were hit by another ice avalanche killing all of them except one of the Sherpa rescuers.
That was in the afternoon. Had the Korean B team gone to their comrades aid at first light, all would have survived.
Thank god I’m afraid of heights and hate the cold. If not, my drunken spending may have bought me a 1 way ticket to some peak. Just wondering though, what’s the difference in K2 and Everest from base to peak. I’ve heard Denali is a helluva climb, physically, because it’s base to peak exceeds Everest, and it’s more remote. Obviously it’s 10k shorter from sea level Than K2/Everest. Believe me I have never climbed a mountain without my car, but I watch a lot of videos and like to know stuff 😁👍🇺🇸
Everest is not technically difficult while K2 is relentlessly steep.
Everest usually has a window of stable weather when the monsoon winds change direction.
K2 is further north than Everest and does not benefit from the shifting monsoon winds.
K2 is colder and experiences worse weather than Everest.
There's been many years when no climber manages to summit K2 due to appalling conditions.
Mount McKinley is a challenging climb and is often used by climbers as part of their training for an Everest attempt but at 20,310' [just over 6,000m] climbers do not require supplemental oxygen.
The HAPs and Sherpas are the true mountaineers.
I thought I read that the first Sherpas were trained in mountaineering by George Mallory.
@@leftylefty77 Yes i was thinkin of todays ”tourist” climbers,not saying Everest is an easy feat,but without the Sherpas very few would reach the top.
@@leftylefty77Seriously? No. Sherpas are born and live their entire lives at higher altitudes than most. The mountains are part of everyday life. And you think some guy from Britain taught them? I don’t care how great a mountaineer George Mallory was- your comment defies logic.
@@leftylefty77Yeah no, absolutely not. Sherpas have been around for millennia’s and their biology has adapted to the changes in altitude, their blood levels are higher than the average person and can handle high altitudes, meaning they live on the mountains, they have biologically adapted to withstand the temperatures and conditions on there too. They’ve been climbing for years, before mallory.
BS statement and bs answers. Let’s start again by defining the term “mountaineer”
Little correction: "Killer Mountain" is the colloquial nickname for Nanga Parbat. K2's nick is "Savage Mountain".
Nanga parvat is overrated. Bit easy.
@@JayantaBera-q8l ??
I'm not sure I agree; Fredrik Sträng decided early - well below bneck - to call off his task due to delays everywhere, and indeed severe disorganisation due to the doubtful joint effort. Then, indeed, he participated in the rescue efforts described in the vid. He was clever, Fredrik, and for your info, consequently he's still alive.
Why ask about the commercialization of K2 when the answer is already obvious? As always, my sympathies are with those who must climb to feed their families. Everyone else constitutes collateral damages to those good folks.
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@@mrhombreman not true, there is no must climb situation.
It’s called the savage mountain, not killer. Wrong mountain bro
Bla bla bla
Savage is another word for deadly young man .
K2 is the number one killer mountain on Earth .
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@@ironfistarrival Mont blanc is the mountain with most deaths. Annapurna has the highest death ratio
@@CaliShah yes and Nanga Parbat is called killer mountain.
Although this mountain catastrophe was well known to me it was very interesting to watch your video! Although some scenes are not taken on the savage mountain and you mix film scenes with real pictures everything fits together so well and gives us an idea of this tragic day. Of course there are longer videos about but yours is an ideal possibility to get clear and short information. If one is interested in details now he will find more footage here on TH-cam.
The mountains didn’t kill them. They put themself in danger. They take their own life. The mountains is a beautiful mountains. These people over estimate themself and their capabilities. After all they forgot they are human beings not super hero.
So many tactless chickenshits in the comments section...
@Echoes The first photo you show of the line of people waiting to summit (timestamp 21.32) is a picture of Everest, not K2.
what do you expect, their very first basic info is wrong, at 00:10 they say K2 is the "Killer Mountain", but that goes for Nanga Parbat, K2 is the Savage Mountain.
My favorite K2 story is “The Belay”. Schoening was with Mountain Madness on Everest in 1996 and was fortunate to turn around before a summit attempt.
Which character was Schoening again?
There is actually a K2 documentary on YT that covers this incident way better. They interviewed the people who survived & they actually have real footage from when they were on K2, which actually shows some of the accidents. Its just insane. I wish i could remember the name, but its at least an hour long. It also covers a major controversy that happened afterwards. I fell in love eith Ger from Ireland!
th-cam.com/video/yhS6iJXOTaQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=VMuhDdarolgJEnjL
Is it "The Summit"? Another good on is "Touch the Void" on the only two who summited a peak in the Andes and what followed.
Alberto is badass. I just read a book about this climb and he sounds like the only one with sense on that climb.
Was badass. He died on Nanga Parbat in 2017. But yeah, he was amazing.
HAP stands for High Altitude Porter. There is a really good book about this incident titled “No Way Down”. This documentary barely scratched the surface of what happened.
Thank you. I get sick of undefined acronyms people throw around like confetti. Trying to search for their meaning usually gets over 100 variations. E.g. There is a hard steel used for making knives, called "HAP 40" - and I still haven't a clue what that acronym stands for. In a medical dictionary, "HAP" indicates some chromosome or another.
@@davesmith5656 You’re welcome. The HAPs are native Pakistanis who live in that region and they hire themselves out as High Altitude Porters to western climbers much like the Sherpa people do around Everest. I highly recommend the book I mentioned above. That’s where I learned about the climbers and the HAPs.
HAP= High Altitude Pulmonary Edema
@@jonrfarmer1 That’s HAPE. Pulmonary Edema doesn’t carry things to the higher camps.
Thank you for the book title. I love to read about these incidents and the people that undertake the death defying challenges.
In 2024, I plan on an expedition to Cho Oyo my first 8,000 meter peak. K2 is quite beyond my technical skill. All 8,000 meter peaks will become like Everest after time. The question involves if you want to summit in the winter or summer, every other circumstance aside; you have to ask yourself, if the summit is worth dying for.
Wow! Good luck!
@@michellebaca1024 tyty
That’s great man. I did Everest and Manaslu in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. It’s no joke over 8k man. Best of luck to you.
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I think that's some of the best footage of those events that I've seen on four videos about it. The narrative was also very clear, easy to follow, narrated very well, and informative. The story of the American who decided to abort his climb is new (smart guy). For once, I managed to locate the position of the fallen Serb climber. The angles of the traverse after the Bottleneck really bring out how steep that section is. Some of the other footage - like the very dramatic shot of the guy getting hit by a block of ice - is new to me. Just a suggestion to make it even better: label the footage, like that shot of the black rock face with several climbers on it ... was that the ":Black Pyramid"?
What is so special about climbing a mountain. When your family is left waiting for news that you don't make it frozen like a block of ice for what. Your family is left with a burden they have to bear my father is on a cold mountain dead. Selfish.
@@juderussell7112 ---- My condolences to you. I just watched a video about hikers out in the western U.S. getting wiped out by a flash flood in "Keyhole Canyon". Those people made their own choices, I guess, maybe it's an assertion of freedom?
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It’s the best coverage because it is taken from the Everest movie
@@janeanneraynard5230 "K2" movie too.
Fact: Nanga Parbat (9th highest mountain is the fastest Growing Mountain: Nanga Parbat
As of 2005, the 8,126-meter (26,660ft) peak is reportedly growing at a rate of 0.27 inches per year, which puts it on track to outstrip Everest as the world's tallest peak in around 241,000 years.
Cool info. The moon moves away from earth at about the same speed as fingernails grow. So in a few billion years…
Seriously though, that’s neat info. Thanks.
I've climbed a few mountains myself, but I have never been afflicted with the OCD that gets these people killed. I have just always been too afraid of death to take the risks that these people take. Being Autistic, we feel pain differently than neuro-typicals do!!!
"It's only possible to climb K2 in the summer"........Poles : "Hold our beers" :)
This the funniest reply ever. It’s a shame the “content creator” doesn’t get it.
So if you drink 6 liters a day, in high altitude, do you have to pee as often as you would on flat ground, or does the reduced pressure somehow make it so that the water is retained that much more?
I wonder how they go to pee (especially women) without freezing on the mountain. And if you have to drink that much, I would have to pee every 15 minutes, which would mean I could not reach the top within a day or so. There has to be something to it that I'm clueless about 😅
OK, that was good. Thorough. Thanks. YTubers as thorough as you deserve WAY more subs, so I just subbed. Keep 'em coming, please.
On a deaths to attempts ratio, Annapurna I is the deadliest of the 8000 m peaks. Fun fact: more people have been in space than have been on the summit of Annapurna I.
Anapurna was not allowed to be summited for religious reason thats why.
@@atiqkhn0What's your source?
The University of Life
I'm betting it probably will end up like everest even though I can't believe there's that many people willing to pay that much to get to the top. I admit I do want to do a everest base camp trek but me being from miami I ain't going no where on earth if there's a chance I'm going to freeze to death
Annapurna is by far the deadliest mountain statistically. It has a 32% fatality rate as compared to 14% on K2.
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Friends don’t let friends climb mountains
The real friends. Climb too!
8:03- Yikes! I have never seen it from this perspective. This is just crazy
Hard to believe that you would talk about the disastrous 2008 climbing season on K2 and not even mention Wilco Van Rooijten! 😮
Legend
Because he also fucked up.
The real MVP!
Why would you want to?It was because of mainly his decision to keep going even after a very late start and the fall and death of the first Serbian climber,He made himself that self appointed leader,we all seen it on the movie documentary in the tent meeting where he was acting as though he was telling all these other international climbers on what day they could summit!! Wilco to me turned out to become an excuse maker and a coward when it mattered most!!
@@scottrunningwolf3459 oh jeez Scott, tell us how you really feel
Annapurna 1 is the deadliest
No its not Everest has 310
@@chapinfowler3332if you go with the most deaths it's the matterhorn and if you go with the deadly rate its annapurna
Everest has most deaths overall Annapurna has most deaths per summits. Read
This was such a good video !!! ❤
Ill just go ahead and say this.. that (insert mountain name) beat me.
I never left my couch, but the fuckin mountain won. Stick with me and ill save your life.
Legend 😂
I wonder how difficult it would be to climb Olympus mons tallest mountain in our solar system. It's 22km tall located on Mars.
K2 is so "deadly" that 195 people climbed it last season, many with Sherpa support and porters. There were long lineups to the top like what you see on Everest and trash everywhere. It is actually becoming the next Everest because it is much cheaper to climb. If the weather is good, an average climber can now be guided to the top of K2 on the common route. Annapurna is for serious climbers only and has a higher summit-to-death ratio than K2, especially after last season.
Mountaineers say it is, so it is.
Lol you dont know what you are talking about if you say it will become the next everest or an average clomber can climb it.
@@barte4215 Again, 195 people climbed it last season, many of whom were average climbers (not beginners, obviously) guided to the top by expert guides - just like you see on Everest. Weather is everything on the common route on K2. Last season the weather was good on K2 and many average climbers were guided to the top. I saw photos of long lineups to the top and trash everywhere - again, just like Everest. K2 has now dropped so far below Annapurna in summit-to-death ratio, it's hilarious!
@@franksmith541blah blah blah. No you are absolutely wrong. You really don't know anything about K2 and its environment. So just cut the crap 😅
"Nangaperbutt" Pakistan is known as killer mountain, not K2. Nangaperbutt summit the most challenging even then K2 . Try it!
The Norwegian team leader left his team behind saying he had snow blindness just after sunrise (DOESN'T MAKE SENSE)
You have altitude blindness there due to lack of oxygen . And you can get snowblind even from previous day
"Waiting for the opportunity to conquer this peak..." what a joke! When the climbers leave, or remain behind as corpses, the mountain is still the same, it's still there, and there is no conquest. People really have a fat headed attitude about what they do. You climb a mountain, but it is never "conquered"... it wasn't fighting the climbers, the climbers went to it voluntarily...! 😅. If anything, the mountain conquers those who die on the slopes.
Agreed, some climbers use words like “conquer “ to personify the mountain, thus satiating their ego.
I agree; another thing ppl say a lot is a "treacherous" mountain, lol. When did it sign an agreement? It doesn't promise anything, or betray anyone.
Very nice video! I like the compilation of dates that i never saw put together before. Thanks!
Why would you try to pass someone up on the most dangerous part of a climb?! That guy should have just been patient instead of being careless.
Altitude clouds your judgement.
No one "conquers" a peak... except for mining companies who level a mountain.
Those people don't value their life.
I’m in the “Savage Mountain” camp. Have never heard it called Killer. Good take though.
If you are going to make these kind of videos I think it would be good if you get the basic facts straight. K2 is NOT called Killer Mountain. That is the nickname of Nanga Parbat. K2 is called The Savage Mountain.
Agree. But the guy does give the Sherpa or Pakistani name of the mountain, which I had never heard before, and he did such a good job with the rest of the video ... I let it slide. At least he didn't say something like "Me and him went ...."🤣
Good catch. I thought it was strange that he did not use the Savage Mountain moniker. Never heard of a local name for K2. I always thought the mountain was so remote it had no name and that K2 was a designation given by a British survey.
@@leftylefty77 --- You're right. Karakoram range, and the brit surveyors chopped off the arakoram part so K1, K2, K3 ...Kn sprang up from the seas!
P.S. Also, the K's fit more neatly on the maps.
All of these names are ridiculous. They're non sentient topographical features..They can't kill anything, display savagery. can't be " conquered" because they can't fight. They're not "unforgiving,", because they can't hold a grudge.The characters and names are given by climbers, for personal cachet. You'd think making it to the summit would be enough, but apparently not.
Not so "Savage" after last season. 195 people climbed it last season, many with Sherpa support and porters. There were long lineups to the top like what you see on Everest and trash everywhere. It is actually becoming the next Everest because it is much cheaper to climb. If the weather is good, an average climber can now be guided to the top of K2 on the common route. Annapurna is for serious climbers only and has a higher summit-to-death ratio than K2, especially after last season.
Well done.👍
The disaster happened because each and every one of those bar one, ignored their turnaround time. If C Skog had gone back when her partner decided to quit her husband would still be alive, Ger died because he couldn't descend leaving climbers in difficulty, he is a hero, as are the Sherpa. The rest are egotistical narcissists.
Well well, indeed many bad decisions were made that day of course, but who are we to judge - armchair mountaineers as we are? But I agree that it seems odd to rejoice at the summit when friends have persished a few hours ago below...
It was a cluster from the getgo. Fixed ropes weren’t set. Not enough rope taken to camp 4, late start, people not fulfilling commitments, teams that had never climbed together, language barriers…on and on.
Not just one issue. Sooooo many. The team that stayed at camp 4 lives to help the survivors and tell the story.
They didn’t summit, but they lived to climb again.
All our mountains have become over crowded and polluted, with the Haps and Sherpas doing all the hard work anyway. Give me Alpine at 8000 ft even anyday!
I think the term "casualties" is being used incorrectly here. I think we are measuring deaths here, not casualties. If you break an arm on the mountain, you are a casualty.
Wrong. In the US army casualties are soldiers killed. A caualty can also be somebody wounded out who can not fight any longer. Can be 30 casualties = 17 dead 13 wounded.
@@viajandoyaprendiendoconRicardo Wrong? Sounds like you are agreeing with me.
The killer mountain? Dont you mean the savage mountain! K2 isn't nanga parbat!!
Kanchenjunga and Annapurna have a higher fatality rate than K2. Also, K2 is known as the savage mountain, not killer mountain.
Oh wow you can google, not impressive.
145 in one day means it already is commercial. Will we see 100 dead in a day? Long queues, long delays, dozens of little black dots in the billowing clouds of falling ice. I got to 18000 ft when into high mountain scrambling, and found it not worth trying to go any higher…law of diminishing returns. You’ve seen most of it by 18000, I decided. This account only confirms my impression.
Nepal sold 478 passes in 2023, 17 have died and 2 more are a possibility. K2 issued 1700 passes and has had one death in 2023. Of those that climbed K2 there were 112 plus summitting...impressive with one death so far. So this will vary from year to year.
I am so sorry to see this video but one thing I cannot understand why they not think about their family left behind them wife children old mother father any one should twice think before such crazy decision
Life is so valuable and not to die on K2
They want an adventure. For some people staying home and watching tv isn't a real adventure. If they can afford a trip to k2 money isn't a problem.
Great movie over and over again…
At 21:34 the image shown is from Everest. Throughout the video also other sequences are randomly included as supposedly being from K2. The rest is copied from a BBC documentary.
I know the safety ropes are placed beforehand for the safety of the climbers but how can someone say they have conquered a mountain when they got outside help?
Because no one can do the climbing for you. That's the hard part. That's the part that matters. That ropes are already in place is irrelevant to how gruelling the physical aspects of climbing are on your body, and how truly impressive it is if you can do it. The ropes don't make climbing easier on you.
@@alicedangerI'm pretty sure setting your own ropes makes it drastically harder. So yes set ropes makes its 100% easier. You don't have to carry all the extra gear and set your own line
@@higherlifts420 You are suggesting it's easy to climb K2 - to the point your accomplishment should be derided and ignored - just because you didn't have to carry some extra gear. That's stupid and insulting to the climbers. There is no set of circumstances where climbing K2 is easy. THEN you have to descend the mountain, and that's the deadliest part. Saying not carrying the gear is easier is like saying the fire burning you is only 1000 degrees instead of 2000. It's not as bad, no, but it's not easier. You're still going to die.
@@alicedanger It is insulting to the real mountaineers to put them in same bracket. It is accomplishment for sure but lets call it for what it is.
@@alicedanger
You don't seem to know what you're talking about. He didn't say it was easy. He said it was drastically harder [and drastically more dangerous] to have to set your own ropes.
With set ropes, you clip in and climb. If you're in good shape, barring a storm, altitude sickness, avalanche or ice or rock fall you'll basically walk up an established trail, usually with supplemental oxygen and summit. And more and more of these climbing tourists have little or no climbing experience. Send them to Baintha Brak or Trango Towers and see how they do.
If you spend enough money and throw enough resources at something you can make it safer [not safe, but safer], easier and more widely available. But in doing so you make it less special.
IMO only Alpine style climbers are true mountaineers.
Look up Tomaz Humar's attempt on the south face of Dhaulagiri or the first ascent of The Ogre by Chris Bonnington and Doug Scott to see what real mountaineering is like.
Calling the year TWO THOUSAND AND NINE , TWENTY O NINE is painful 😂
It does look like it is becoming too crowded, just like Everest.
I`m not a climber but I do not believe anyone conquers a mountain like that . Maybe the mountain gods let you get to the top & back down. far short of conquering
"Only climbable in the Summer"? A couple of years ago two teams of Nepalese climbers reached the summit together in winter. Apart from Nims Purja they were all or nearly all sherpas, of course.
Always heard it called The Savage Mt. She Is!
From now on, when someone brags about Everest we should say, "Oh, yea~? Do you think you might try and tackle K2?"
If you find yourself above the highest camp AT NIGHT on K2 you’re basically a dead person walking (if you’re lucky enough to still be walking). That’s truly a nightmarish scenario.
good video but the actual footage of the actual people is on youtube rolfs wife did not reach the poles until after K2 the guy who let go was filmed by camera forgot to turn off etc
Its interesting to note that there is more life at the bottom of the ocean on volcano vents than in the death zone. bodies don't even decay, completely void of life
K2...Trophy of all Mountion..
Not so much "trophy" anymore. 195 people climbed K2 last season, many with Sherpa support and porters. There were long lineups to the top like what you see on Everest and trash everywhere. It is actually becoming the next Everest because it is much cheaper to climb. If the weather is good, an average climber can now be guided to the top of K2 on the common route. Annapurna is for serious climbers only and has a higher summit-to-death ratio than K2, especially after last season.
@@franksmith541 a slow pace at the bottelneck accompanied by extreme fatigue will be worse attacked by lack of oxygen.
video is choppy but the narrating is very good. subscribed.
Annapurna is the deadliest. Just so you are aware. K2 is definitely deadly but Annapurna is the most.
So if someone risks life or lives for taking a selfie they are termed selfish but if someone risks lives to break records, it is totally selfless act?
I drew my mountain with a smooth line across the top... because that's what my mountain looks like! I've seen enough
I’m just here to question why he called 2008 “twenty o eight”
He should call it twenty double o eight..? Or its completely wrong either way..?
@@deusexmachina230 twenty double o 8 sounds about right to me 🤝🏼
For years in previous centuries we refer to years as nineteen o eight or eighteen o eight , so don’t see anything wrong with twenty o eight . I believe it sounds strange because since the millennium we have referred to the year as two thousand and then carried on it that fashion ie two thousand and eight rather the twenty o eight, something that was not done in previous centuries.
@@johnsherborne4581 that is a fair point
It's kind of weird but if You're either within the atmosphere alive and normal in between the atmosphere which is a death zone or above the atmosphere which causes you to age slower ant it funny how all that works
Disculpen, porqué le llaman K2?
OK this is stupid but the way he said the year and date in the beginning portion was hilarious
Ones who choose to climb this unstable mountain has a high chance to loose their life. That’s okay, they win the Darwin Award with honors.
That's a ridiculous question. Can we only blame it on the mountain? It's the selfish, egotistical climbers.
Nanga parbat is the killer mountain actually. K2 is the savage
These people are to be despised not revered. They are the worst not the best of humanity. Climbing above 8000m should come with absolutely compulsory, non negotiable expertise, proven skill and unwavering adherence to Sherpa recommendations, at the threat of criminal prosecution and jail time. Everest has become a trashy vacation resort for influencers who place unimaginable burdens on everyone in their vicinity. K2 will go the same way. I have never and will never mourn the loss of someone who so selfishly subjects others and nature to such crass behaviour.
I used to smoke K2 so I can relate. Props
From Everest's perspective, humans would be like insects.
Karim's death was determined, there is a pic showing him wandering above the serac well off line, he then fell over the serac and Marco thought that was Gerard as they both had red down suits
No more deadly.. conquered in Winter..
Is there a K-1 ?
K2 was summitted during winter already **
It is not true that one out of every four mountaineers who try to summit K2 dies. The number is summits, not attempts, i.e., for ever four successful summits there is one death somewhere on the mountain. The great majority of summit attempts end in failure, and the mountaineer goes home.
Thank u.
Someone dies in a car crash .. suddenly it's 'killer cars' everywhere
I agree with kox someone.
K2 is not the deadliest mountain in the world. Its Annapurna...
Annapurna, the deadliest
You forgot the part the Cecelia was sooooooo slow, a climber tried to pass her and fell to his death!
Actually he did mention that
I am surprised that there are phone signals available in those areas.
Satellite phones.
Why? They put them up for safety. This is how you know k2 is like Everest.
@@yesterdayitrained Thanks.
Much too many amateur climbers make it dangerous for everyone...and these Mountaineer Organizations accept the momey...Making money offers that the sherpas greedily cannot turn down.
Limits must've set formally climbers of all abilities...but PLEASE..NO RICH AMATEURS!!!
K2 won’t become like Everest-- it’s entirely too dangerous to become a tourist attraction!
Low altitude geniuses, high altitude corpses.
Jehan Baig was the Pakistani climber falling while recovering Dren, not Shaheen.
La vita è un dono prezioso anzi inestimabile 😊 perché metterla a repentaglio? Per "conquistare" cosa ?
I give respect to these extreme sports, but I’m so glad I wasn’t born needing to find adrenaline in this sort of way x
Um…it’s the Savage Mountain. Also, there have been multiple winter ascents of K2
I wish the narrator and others like him would refrain from using the word 'conquer'. The very idea of conquering a mountain or any other natural element is ludicrous. You may climb a mountain and that's it - you climbed it. The mountain is not then subservient.
What about Annapurna, 365 ascended, 20% fatality
Matterhorn has the most deaths:
Mountain || deaths
Matterhorn : 500 +
Mount Everest : 310
K2: 91
Nanga Parbat : 85
Manaslu : 84
Dhaulagiri I : 82
Annapurna I : 73
Kangchenjunga : 58
Cho Oyu : 52
Makalu : 40
Gasherbrum I : 34
Lie. Check the facts before you Post something stupid
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