Just WOW! I've never heard this demo of what obviously later became FALAA Thank you for the upload. (and I don't give a toss about where the musical influence came from, it just sounds great whatever! 😉)
These scales that are commonly practiced today were all written with notation, including instructions how to tune the instrument by the Mesopotamians, long before the ancient Greeks, who translated it themselves. You can go read books on it, or visit the museums because it's there too.
Don't make stuff up just to make your point... Not all western music is derived from middle eastern sounds... Scales as the Dorian, Mixolydian, Aeolian etc. are derived from native ancient greek scales and have been used extensively before the baroque period of the common practice era (commonly referred as Classical Music). This is the Aeolian mode of the Major Scale also known as Natural Minor Scale. Just because you want it to be Middle Eastern, does not make it Middle Eastern.
Okay Sweety, if you want to get into the specifics, feel free to PM me this weekend. I just think it's silly to debate on a video. But I'm all for convo if that's what you want :) My view on Eastern music is certainly not distorted. I am "Eastern" (but a mut with English & others too including Greek). I studied ancient civilisations in uni, because I wanted to be an archaeologist but also wanted to be a doctor, the later won :) I'll explain to you in detail about the notation / rhythm in PM.
All I am saying is that this sound is not middle eastern at all... I am a Greek musician and a big part of our music is inspired by middle eastern sounds so I know very well what I am talking about... It's just that everybody's notion of eastern music is rather distorted which is sad... You can have Hussey explain it to me it would be a pleasure having a talk with him but I could explain back that both the rhythm and the melody is not middle eastern rather than minstrel... Have a nice day :)
Yes, and that was my reason for saying "if we get real technical, then western music is derived from ancient ME, but overtime modified into its modern form", guess you missed that part too. The only reason why I even brought that up is because you have been kicking up a fuss about something so small that shouldn't affect you in the least bit. As my first reply to you was "no one is stopping you from thinking / feeling how you do, so why are you bickering ? That'll only give you tachycardia !
The rhythm here is ME, I know my ears, and if you really are that bothered by it, I can have Hussey explain it to you. It's from the song FALAA, which was by Marx. There's an explanation on the music on that song / album, which talks about the ME rhythm used on it. But honestly, I have no idea why you're getting so worked up about it. You can think whatever you want about it, no one is stopping you, and I honestly could care less about such little things.. I say that in the nicest manner too :)
And if we get *real* technical*, then what is called the *Western scales* today comes from ancient Middle Eastern notation too, the diatonic scales etc., which were written by the Mesopotamians / Greater ancient Syrians. They were then translated by the ancient Greeks and labelled with their terms, and since then changed into modern themes. At the same time the Arabs from the peninsula had written their own modes, closer to what is labeled ME music today, which incorporates the ancients as well.
Uhm no, that applies to only SOME of the 'roads' or 'maqams' of the eastern music not ALL modern scales. Besides the Greeks weren't one nation rather than several separate tribes (the most prominent ones were the Ionians, Aeolians and Dorians) and every one of them had developed their own musical expression... Not all western music is derived from the middle east, and this musical phrase definitely is not... If we follow that logic everything we listen to is middle eastern...
Again, you're confusing modern vs ancient, arab vs near eastern. Maqams are what I was referring to about the Arabs from the peninsula creating, has nothing to do with what the Babylonians, Syrians, etc had created over two millenia before, but incorporated what they had created into it. What they had created was the foundation for Western scales. As I said, go visit the museums, It's in Manchester, UK, NYC met, Damascus, sometimes the replica is in France, Italy and Greece.
Actually it is Middle Eastern, along with a great deal of their songs, which use Middle Eastern scales, something I'm most familiar with, but also stated in a book about The Sisters of Mercy and The Mission...
ButterflyRoseX - there's nothing 'middle eastern' about a minor scale. The real middle eastern sound is the harmonic minor scale of which this song isn't....
I did not make a fuss I was trying with the nicest possible way to explain that this sound is not middle eastern no more than ... Bach is... You had to take it all the way to the antiquities and try to convince me that all the progress of musical evolution was Mesopotamia-->Greece--->Everything else, while it was rather amphidromous... I could call this convo anything but unproductive and pointless and if you want to keep it goin my inbox is open :) (remove spaces and try again for the link :) )
Actually styling IS a matter of personal interpretation, but I highly doubt anyone would call them a disco band ;p However, one could say their music on a song sounds Chinese or Indian, and no one else can tell them it doesn't, cause it does to that person.
You must have skipped over the part where I said I have a degree in ancient civ, so I'm well informed about ancient Greece, etc. I know that there were different tribes, but why even bring that up ? There were even more different tribes in the ancient near east, Sumerians, Akkadians, Ugarits, Hurrians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians (Canaanites), Israelites, Arabs, etc.. None of that has anything to do with this. By the way, the Dorians were not Greek.
Ahh but you're wrong, I haven't fashioned a thing, and I had no reason to prove or justify anything to you, therefore nothing to "make a point" about. The only point here is, you have been nit-picking about a comment I made on this video, because you want it to be the way you feel about it, which is "your" take on it. Some advice would be, don't kick up a fuss about someone else's take on something just to get your way, cause most likely you won't. Teddy bear link doesn't work :(
But you were my dear, because you made the effort to tell me something is not what I feel it is, or what the band feels it is. You must understand that your take on something isn't what other people's take is on it, and vice versa. There is no accurate right or wrong about it, because everyone is entitled to their interpretations on something, nothing is ever set in stone. That's why I said, you're entitled to your own take, but you felt the need to keep saying "it's not ME", which shows a fuss.
Are you that insecure to say such things ? I don't have any reason to make anything up. I could care less who did what. And one can say the same about you, "just because you want it to be "Greek", doesn't make it Greek". You obviously don't know the history to be saying this, and you are confusing modern times w/ ancient times. For your info, the scales (that you say were derived from native Greek scales) were derived from the Babylonians / ancient Syrians by the Greeks.
Dude I've been listening to the really low quality versions of this demo- thank you so much for posting this.
Just WOW! I've never heard this demo of what obviously later became FALAA
Thank you for the upload.
(and I don't give a toss about where the musical influence came from, it just sounds great whatever! 😉)
Sisters....a disco band? okay buddy. Each to his own, I s'pose.
Στην λευκη με αγαπη αλεξανδρος 1991 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
There is nothing middle eastern about the intro, more like medieval :) :) :)
These scales that are commonly practiced today were all written with notation, including instructions how to tune the instrument by the Mesopotamians, long before the ancient Greeks, who translated it themselves. You can go read books on it, or visit the museums because it's there too.
Don't make stuff up just to make your point... Not all western music is derived from middle eastern sounds... Scales as the Dorian, Mixolydian, Aeolian etc. are derived from native ancient greek scales and have been used extensively before the baroque period of the common practice era (commonly referred as Classical Music). This is the Aeolian mode of the Major Scale also known as Natural Minor Scale. Just because you want it to be Middle Eastern, does not make it Middle Eastern.
That's not Eldritch on vocals
It’s Gary Marx.
Okay Sweety, if you want to get into the specifics, feel free to PM me this weekend. I just think it's silly to debate on a video. But I'm all for convo if that's what you want :) My view on Eastern music is certainly not distorted. I am "Eastern" (but a mut with English & others too including Greek). I studied ancient civilisations in uni, because I wanted to be an archaeologist but also wanted to be a doctor, the later won :) I'll explain to you in detail about the notation / rhythm in PM.
All I am saying is that this sound is not middle eastern at all... I am a Greek musician and a big part of our music is inspired by middle eastern sounds so I know very well what I am talking about... It's just that everybody's notion of eastern music is rather distorted which is sad... You can have Hussey explain it to me it would be a pleasure having a talk with him but I could explain back that both the rhythm and the melody is not middle eastern rather than minstrel... Have a nice day :)
I guess people just confuse middle ages with middle eastern that's all
@@escaton74 Damn, that was quite the necrobump!
Mesopotamian, Greek, Syrian! No way, everyone knows this is the Scottish one.
Funny that, this I actually thought this was a demo by the Mission after the Sisters Of Mercy split in 1985. This is Wayne Hussey on vocals....?
No, that's Eldritch
Gary Marx vocal and lyrics.
Gary Marx all the way here; he actually did write the music for the song you know, or maybe you should check the credits on the album?
first and last and always prewiew?
Yes, and that was my reason for saying "if we get real technical, then western music is derived from ancient ME, but overtime modified into its modern form", guess you missed that part too. The only reason why I even brought that up is because you have been kicking up a fuss about something so small that shouldn't affect you in the least bit. As my first reply to you was "no one is stopping you from thinking / feeling how you do, so why are you bickering ? That'll only give you tachycardia !
Lovely *Middle Eastern* intro ♥
The rhythm here is ME, I know my ears, and if you really are that bothered by it, I can have Hussey explain it to you. It's from the song FALAA, which was by Marx. There's an explanation on the music on that song / album, which talks about the ME rhythm used on it. But honestly, I have no idea why you're getting so worked up about it. You can think whatever you want about it, no one is stopping you, and I honestly could care less about such little things.. I say that in the nicest manner too :)
And if we get *real* technical*, then what is called the *Western scales* today comes from ancient Middle Eastern notation too, the diatonic scales etc., which were written by the Mesopotamians / Greater ancient Syrians. They were then translated by the ancient Greeks and labelled with their terms, and since then changed into modern themes. At the same time the Arabs from the peninsula had written their own modes, closer to what is labeled ME music today, which incorporates the ancients as well.
Uhm no, that applies to only SOME of the 'roads' or 'maqams' of the eastern music not ALL modern scales. Besides the Greeks weren't one nation rather than several separate tribes (the most prominent ones were the Ionians, Aeolians and Dorians) and every one of them had developed their own musical expression...
Not all western music is derived from the middle east, and this musical phrase definitely is not...
If we follow that logic everything we listen to is middle eastern...
Again, you're confusing modern vs ancient, arab vs near eastern. Maqams are what I was referring to about the Arabs from the peninsula creating, has nothing to do with what the Babylonians, Syrians, etc had created over two millenia before, but incorporated what they had created into it. What they had created was the foundation for Western scales. As I said, go visit the museums, It's in Manchester, UK, NYC met, Damascus, sometimes the replica is in France, Italy and Greece.
Actually it is Middle Eastern, along with a great deal of their songs, which use Middle Eastern scales, something I'm most familiar with, but also stated in a book about The Sisters of Mercy and The Mission...
ButterflyRoseX - there's nothing 'middle eastern' about a minor scale. The real middle eastern sound is the harmonic minor scale of which this song isn't....
Oh sorry I didn't know styling was a matter of personal interpretation :)
I feel that The Sisters of Mercy are a Disco band :)
The scale used in the intro is not middle eastern... There is nothing middle eastern around the Natural Minor scale...!
ntrianta90 - Exactly!! I think they need to listen to a harmonic minor (#7)
This isn't Andrews voice!
It’s Marx
I did not make a fuss I was trying with the nicest possible way to explain that this sound is not middle eastern no more than ... Bach is... You had to take it all the way to the antiquities and try to convince me that all the progress of musical evolution was Mesopotamia-->Greece--->Everything else, while it was rather amphidromous... I could call this convo anything but unproductive and pointless and if you want to keep it goin my inbox is open :)
(remove spaces and try again for the link :) )
...Make that *latter* (typo) ;)
Actually styling IS a matter of personal interpretation, but I highly doubt anyone would call them a disco band ;p However, one could say their music on a song sounds Chinese or Indian, and no one else can tell them it doesn't, cause it does to that person.
You must have skipped over the part where I said I have a degree in ancient civ, so I'm well informed about ancient Greece, etc. I know that there were different tribes, but why even bring that up ? There were even more different tribes in the ancient near east, Sumerians, Akkadians, Ugarits, Hurrians, Babylonians, Assyrians, Phoenicians (Canaanites), Israelites, Arabs, etc.. None of that has anything to do with this. By the way, the Dorians were not Greek.
Je continue de croire en Dieu mais Dieu ne croit plus en moi .
Mmmmhmmm :)
Ahh but you're wrong, I haven't fashioned a thing, and I had no reason to prove or justify anything to you, therefore nothing to "make a point" about. The only point here is, you have been nit-picking about a comment I made on this video, because you want it to be the way you feel about it, which is "your" take on it. Some advice would be, don't kick up a fuss about someone else's take on something just to get your way, cause most likely you won't. Teddy bear link doesn't work :(
But you were my dear, because you made the effort to tell me something is not what I feel it is, or what the band feels it is. You must understand that your take on something isn't what other people's take is on it, and vice versa. There is no accurate right or wrong about it, because everyone is entitled to their interpretations on something, nothing is ever set in stone. That's why I said, you're entitled to your own take, but you felt the need to keep saying "it's not ME", which shows a fuss.
Are you that insecure to say such things ? I don't have any reason to make anything up. I could care less who did what. And one can say the same about you, "just because you want it to be "Greek", doesn't make it Greek". You obviously don't know the history to be saying this, and you are confusing modern times w/ ancient times. For your info, the scales (that you say were derived from native Greek scales) were derived from the Babylonians / ancient Syrians by the Greeks.