@@Brando_Broshi yeagh he could have been browsing the Papers .. back then ( if you grew up in he 70's, dont forget , we only had Paper , tv, or radio) it was very common to browse the papers and magazine Rack ... Flip a couple pages on the nudie magazines as well, before you pay and walk out . He was just letting them get back to their conversation for a bit .
It’s funny how the roofer dude who basically got his friend shot and killed, is one of the most wisest and friendliest decent customers Dante has had so far that day. And me, Empire or Jedi? Personally I prefer New Hope.
"Do you think the average Stromtrooper knows how to install a toilet main?" As of The Force Awakens, there is probably one: Finn (he did janitorial work as well as his Stormtrooper duties when he was with the First Order)
@@illuminatioracle Much of the sequel trilogy have some questionable and even unnecessary characters. Even the current incarnations of our beloved trio didn't make sense.
I feel like the essence of why this scene is so great is that Dante and Randal have developed such a cynical outlook on life while working these dead-end jobs that they're willing to over-rationalize and pick apart one of the most uplifting and optimistic pieces of fantasy escapism in pop culture, despite their choice of language demonstrating that they both clearly have very sharp and analytical intellect that could be put to better use, but they just have nothing better to do. I just laugh anytime Randal starts throwing around political terminology like "left-wing militants" to describe the Rebels as if they were a real thing.
i think there are a lot of us like this out in the world tho. in fact kevin smith is arguably the beginning of what you might call an anti-american dream trend (aka anti baby boomer) in pop culture. the reason its "anti boomer" is because the boomers were the only real "winners" of the american dream. Generation X (represented here in mid 90s as younger adults) inherited an economy that was, for first time, on the serious down swing. And it all only got worse for millennials. So we start to see slacker culture play a role, and it just gets bigger every year. In 1989, when boomers were on average 35, they owned 22% of the wealth of america. By 2008, gen x was 35. they owned 8%. In 2022, millennials will be 35 on average. Currently, they own just 3%. It's a nation of dead end jobs now. This film represents that
@@elultimosonador3958 Population growth means thinner slices of the pie to cut so there's enough to go around and yet quality of life has never been better (especially for millennials who's own feelings are now factored into the work force) talk about the wealth inside that 3% and compare it to the wealth inside that 22% and i guarantee you that that 22% would be envious of what that 3% has. The edgy demoralized grunge movement was founded in a corporate board room in the early 90s to sell music and died on September 11th 2001 when everyone came back to the reality of the world. Its never been an issue of wealth its an issue of growing entitlement under sheltered generations who's parents can pay for everything at an increasing rate. You speak like someone who wasn't alive at this time (so I would assume you're a millennial) but if trends are showing anything its that Gen Z has started to swing the pendulum back to a more moderate/conservative outlook as they grow weary of the whining you millennials were taught by Gen X. Appreciate what you have because the alternative is something you clearly no nothing about and should be terrified of. I know I know your prof told you otherwise but they've lived within an echo chamber their entire professional life and fear stepping off campus.
@@elultimosonador3958 If you feel even a shred of Anti American sentiment my suggestion is you move to China because anything you contribute is clearly disingenuous and will be deleterious to the fabric of American hegemony.
I like to think the contractor at least told his friend about the whole story behind the house, and then his friend decided on his own to take the job. Of course we'll never know the full story, but his wording certainly was a little suspicious to Dante and Randal lol.
The one factor that the roofer doesn’t take into consideration is the fact that the Empire was an authoritarian government, therefore many of those contractors were likely coerced into taking he job, or at least implicitly threaten if they refused the contract.
Yeah, funny Randal refers to the rebels as "left wing" militants. The galaxy was being oppressed by the empire and the rebels weren't progressive ideologues or a political opposition, they were organized freedom fighters attempting to restore the old republic.
@@archiiebarrett Yeah I mean George Lucas was a 60’s Liberal but I’m pretty sure The Rebellion were freedom fighters against an oppressive empire. I think this goes beyond rightwing or leftwing politics. The Rebellion had cultures with monarchies, Lords & Presidents supporting them, not sure all those reflect leftwing beliefs , politics or policies but George was partially inspired by The Vietnam War when making The Original Trilogy. In the end people forget that the whole point was everyone coming together to stop tyranny but politics was not the main point of Star Wars anyway. Star Wars is really about The Jedi , The Sith & The Skywalkers. The Lightside, The Darkside, Selflessness & Selfishness. It’s about The Heroes Journey. It’s a family drama.
Probably not, if he did then that roofer would turn the job to another contractor and so on. But if he did warn him and he took the job anyways, that's on him. Of course that roofer could have made the whole story up to distract them from the fact that he didn't pay for his coffee before walking out.
Yeah, the "friend" probably said, "You'd be a fool not to take it for double the pay. What are the chances that the one day you work, something goes down?"
Lol. I thought so too, but there's a lot of time when they're still talking and it cuts to Jay stealing snacks, and when it comes back to the counter, you see Dante at the register...could possibly be an edit where they cut out the guy paying Dante. I wouldn't see why he'd be motioning over a register without this in mind.
An older friend of mine who was in his 30’s when A New Hope was originally released in the 70’s and had never seen a Star Wars movie in his life just got Disney+ and asked me (who grew up with Star Wars from the beginning), what should he should watch. Then asked , “What is Star Wars.?” What kind of open ended N.Korean, question is that!? I asked him if he’s ever heard of a light saber or the Force and he said no☠️. The most simplest explanation w/o going down a rabbit hole of Star Wars lore and its 45 yrs of influence in pop culture was, “It’s a series of sci/fi adventure movies that sticks to the basic hero’s journey motifs for its core characters not unlike well known greek mythology stories but as if a spaghetti western was was painted over w/ spaceships instead of wagons and horses and space was the Wild West. Lol
The entire scene is a sorta metaphor for the plot of the movie Especially with the alternate ending. Dante comes to work and is exposed to things he doesn't want to deal with, even though he knows that he's going to deal with them. (On his day off even!) It's a movie about escaping your shit life and try to live your real self. Like Randall who only stressed out over his friends stress. Shit or get off the pot
Roofer says he listens to his heart, not his wallet, but it's clear he doesn't care that his friend died and that HE bore some responsibility for it. He knew the job was dangerous, still gave it to his friend possibly without telling him, and then acted like his death was all his fault. Guy's a psychopath, pure and simple. No empathy, no regret, no accountability, no heart.
I don't think ALL of evil was destroyed when the Death Star was blown up the first time around. Randall's overlooking the possibility that there were the prisoners that were not considered evil in the Death Star that possibility were killed too...
That still doesn't make it any better and since adding Rogue One to this universe it showed that the Rebels literally had a win placed in their lap because they didn't even believe in the death star the first time Anytime a movie or a show or a game has where you had to warn a group of political people that death and Dume is coming and all they say is nope nope nope until it's at their doorstep Then they fire from the hip with some weird janky plan
...and this being discussed in New Jersey, capital state of contactors(note he handed a business card while giving his opinion of the disussion,?🤔😎ha funny guy who makes a good point. Logically.
It's funny cuz no one's right. It's all bs. Dante thinks that's the point, the destruction of the second death star was a victory for the rebels: everyone wins. The roofer justifies the innocent deaths just because he has authority on the subject. Randal doesn't believe the ends justify the means; They should've waited till the death star was completed to avoid as many innocent casualties as possible, even if that meant the possibility of entire planets being vaporized. Just like the train problem, switching the tracks you're actively killing people, should only be trying to stop the train And then to top it all off, it's about a sci-fi movie. Way to make good conversation out of a mundane day-to-day, shows how interesting people can be. Even when talking about nothing
Randall is wrong by the way, everyone knows episode five is the superior film, it's why every single franchise tries to copy it, it's not blasphemy at all, if anything his opinions are blasphemy
Yeah I mean as much as I like ROTJ for what it is I'd still stand by like Empire being the best of the Original Trilogy and is considered an example of one of the few film sequels that is actually better than the first one I mean most film sequels are almost always inferior to the first but Empire is one of the few examples of a sequel outclassing the first one in film history
That is the best argument being settled I ever heard.
I agree, yes.
@Lebowski 2020 Casually gets his friend killed and feels no guilt
2nd to when Woody Allen brought out Marshall McLuhan in Annie Hall
How does the guy not feel even slightly guilty about his friend being murdered? Shows you how cutthroat the roofing world was back during this time
Well when you make stupid decisions like working for mob bosses you deserve what you get.
Hilarious!
I think his empathy was just baked out of him from years of being on rooftops all day long.
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme I agree with the local contractor
Shouldn't have called him his friend.
I'd love to walk into my local convenience store and hear the clerks having this kind of conversation.
These ARE the conversations middle aged nerds who work in retail are having.
I would never leave the gas station lmao
"That's what life is, a series of down endings"
That aged really well after Clerks III
Not a good way to live life.
@@MiyaTakamura life has always been like that
Wait all these time I never realized it...the roofer didn’t pay for his coffee
Jay didn't pay for his food either
Either paid off camera or he was going to go off and grab chow or a paper at that moment. Anybody can just grab a made drink and then browse.
@@Brando_Broshi yeagh he could have been browsing the Papers .. back then ( if you grew up in he 70's, dont forget , we only had Paper , tv, or radio) it was very common to browse the papers and magazine Rack ... Flip a couple pages on the nudie magazines as well, before you pay and walk out . He was just letting them get back to their conversation for a bit .
@@jefffromjersey52 or if you grew up in the 80s 90s (like this movie) or early 00's (pre 2005ish).........
He paid at 2:52 tho and Dante already has the money when it cuts back that's why he's all of a sudden closing up the register.
I love how serious this conversation is. Randall legitimately feels bad
Not only did he shoplift the coffee, he pretty much knowingly led his so called "friend" to his demise...what a wookie
Jeff is such an amazing actor, it's a shame he never acted in more than this masterpiece.
He was in Clerks 2 as well.
Ive heard him in real life before and I dont even think hes acting, he was just being himself.
@@rodbelding9523 which would explain why he probably never got any other big jobs
He was actually also in Jay and Silent Bob strike back briefly
And he was in dogma as a news reporter.
It’s funny how the roofer dude who basically got his friend shot and killed, is one of the most wisest and friendliest decent customers Dante has had so far that day.
And me, Empire or Jedi? Personally I prefer New Hope.
"Do you think the average Stromtrooper knows how to install a toilet main?"
As of The Force Awakens, there is probably one: Finn (he did janitorial work as well as his Stormtrooper duties when he was with the First Order)
yeah, and he sucked as a janitor, he sucked as a stormtrooper and sucks as a rebel. just lame ass shit character
@@illuminatioracle Much of the sequel trilogy have some questionable and even unnecessary characters. Even the current incarnations of our beloved trio didn't make sense.
Illuminati confirmed!
I know I'm not supposed to take your comment 100% serious but I doubt janitors know how to install toilet mains, that's a plumber's job
illuminatioracle 🤐 you are a fucking jerk!
I feel like the essence of why this scene is so great is that Dante and Randal have developed such a cynical outlook on life while working these dead-end jobs that they're willing to over-rationalize and pick apart one of the most uplifting and optimistic pieces of fantasy escapism in pop culture, despite their choice of language demonstrating that they both clearly have very sharp and analytical intellect that could be put to better use, but they just have nothing better to do. I just laugh anytime Randal starts throwing around political terminology like "left-wing militants" to describe the Rebels as if they were a real thing.
i think there are a lot of us like this out in the world tho. in fact kevin smith is arguably the beginning of what you might call an anti-american dream trend (aka anti baby boomer) in pop culture. the reason its "anti boomer" is because the boomers were the only real "winners" of the american dream. Generation X (represented here in mid 90s as younger adults) inherited an economy that was, for first time, on the serious down swing. And it all only got worse for millennials. So we start to see slacker culture play a role, and it just gets bigger every year. In 1989, when boomers were on average 35, they owned 22% of the wealth of america. By 2008, gen x was 35. they owned 8%. In 2022, millennials will be 35 on average. Currently, they own just 3%. It's a nation of dead end jobs now. This film represents that
Teacher: *shows class this clip* You have 5 minutes to write a paragraph on how this relates to social science.
You two:
@@elultimosonador3958 Population growth means thinner slices of the pie to cut so there's enough to go around and yet quality of life has never been better (especially for millennials who's own feelings are now factored into the work force) talk about the wealth inside that 3% and compare it to the wealth inside that 22% and i guarantee you that that 22% would be envious of what that 3% has. The edgy demoralized grunge movement was founded in a corporate board room in the early 90s to sell music and died on September 11th 2001 when everyone came back to the reality of the world. Its never been an issue of wealth its an issue of growing entitlement under sheltered generations who's parents can pay for everything at an increasing rate. You speak like someone who wasn't alive at this time (so I would assume you're a millennial) but if trends are showing anything its that Gen Z has started to swing the pendulum back to a more moderate/conservative outlook as they grow weary of the whining you millennials were taught by Gen X. Appreciate what you have because the alternative is something you clearly no nothing about and should be terrified of. I know I know your prof told you otherwise but they've lived within an echo chamber their entire professional life and fear stepping off campus.
@@kyleross5019 Yup
@@elultimosonador3958 If you feel even a shred of Anti American sentiment my suggestion is you move to China because anything you contribute is clearly disingenuous and will be deleterious to the fabric of American hegemony.
honestly if any customer settled my arguments that cleanly I'd let them have a free coffee or two
This movie gets more brilliant the more I see it.
And in between all of this Jay in there making the best of his time. My man even grabbed a few packets before he ran out
Such a great friend lmfao.
blooddiamond I know right. He just gave his friend a job that he knew wasn't safe.
his friend is dead, now he reaps the new clients.
in my humble experience, a roofer listens to to his wallet.
I like to think the contractor at least told his friend about the whole story behind the house, and then his friend decided on his own to take the job. Of course we'll never know the full story, but his wording certainly was a little suspicious to Dante and Randal lol.
The one factor that the roofer doesn’t take into consideration is the fact that the Empire was an authoritarian government, therefore many of those contractors were likely coerced into taking he job, or at least implicitly threaten if they refused the contract.
Im sure there was caller id could just let that line ring LOL
Hired goons????
Exactly
Yeah, funny Randal refers to the rebels as "left wing" militants. The galaxy was being oppressed by the empire and the rebels weren't progressive ideologues or a political opposition, they were organized freedom fighters attempting to restore the old republic.
@@archiiebarrett Yeah I mean George Lucas was a 60’s Liberal but I’m pretty sure The Rebellion were freedom fighters against an oppressive empire. I think this goes beyond rightwing or leftwing politics. The Rebellion had cultures with monarchies, Lords & Presidents supporting them, not sure all those reflect leftwing beliefs , politics or policies but George was partially inspired by The Vietnam War when making The Original Trilogy. In the end people forget that the whole point was everyone coming together to stop tyranny but politics was not the main point of Star Wars anyway. Star Wars is really about The Jedi , The Sith & The Skywalkers. The Lightside, The Darkside, Selflessness & Selfishness. It’s about The Heroes Journey. It’s a family drama.
where was that guy when Randal was going off on them rings movies in Clerks II?
He took a job without knowing the risks
Man, Dante would love Avengers: Infinity War.
IpseL Or The Dark Knight.
And ironically The Lord of The Rings : The Two Towers! 🤯
Lawrence Rinehart why ironically
@@Jdmxrtinez The Star Wars vs. Lord of the Rings scene. Clerks 2.
Yet Two Towers have a darker story and end.
You know something i always wondered about the roofer, did he tell his friend about the mobster and the risks of the job when he passed it on to him?
Probably not, if he did then that roofer would turn the job to another contractor and so on. But if he did warn him and he took the job anyways, that's on him. Of course that roofer could have made the whole story up to distract them from the fact that he didn't pay for his coffee before walking out.
I think it's implied that he did otherwise as you said the argument fails. They both knew the stakes one refused the job and the other took it.
Yeah, the "friend" probably said, "You'd be a fool not to take it for double the pay. What are the chances that the one day you work, something goes down?"
Wouldn’t the empire just use droids to build the Death Star?
Actually slaves haha
No, when Vader shows up at the beginning and says that the Emporer will be there, the guy he is talking to says "I need more men"
@@garyhall7867 yeah but for a different reason...
@@arkay238 😂😂😂😂
Why didn't the eagles just fly the Death Star to Alderaan?
Didn't even finish reshingling... No way!
That roofer guy just shoplifted that coffee
But would you really call that convenience store coffee 'coffee'?!
Lol. I thought so too, but there's a lot of time when they're still talking and it cuts to Jay stealing snacks, and when it comes back to the counter, you see Dante at the register...could possibly be an edit where they cut out the guy paying Dante. I wouldn't see why he'd be motioning over a register without this in mind.
I remember everybody at lunch having those little yellow pretzel boxes Dante is snackin on
Randall is always on point!
I gotta take a shit
😛
And that's why we have Geonosians.
Slaves and prisoners alike. You gotta have the free labor to lower costs.
When I was a kid, I always wondered who did all the aluminum siding on the death star.
Now we know independent contractors
This movie really needs to join the Criterion collection
“A roofer listens to this (heart) not his wallet”
Does he though?
An older friend of mine who was in his 30’s when A New Hope was originally released in the 70’s and had never seen a Star Wars movie in his life just got Disney+ and asked me (who grew up with Star Wars from the beginning), what should he should watch. Then asked , “What is Star Wars.?” What kind of open ended N.Korean, question is that!? I asked him if he’s ever heard of a light saber or the Force and he said no☠️. The most simplest explanation w/o going down a rabbit hole of Star Wars lore and its 45 yrs of influence in pop culture was, “It’s a series of sci/fi adventure movies that sticks to the basic hero’s journey motifs for its core characters not unlike well known greek mythology stories but as if a spaghetti western was was painted over w/ spaceships instead of wagons and horses and space was the Wild West. Lol
Yeah that pretty well covers it
What he didn’t say is if he told his friend about the risk involved and allowed him to make an informed choice…this guy might be a scumbag.
this makes the alternate ending make much more sense
I'm so glad Smith didn't go with that one. Such a downer of an ending.
@@graced1338 That original downer ending would've fit Dante's comment about life being a a series of down endings perfectly.
@@LedtallicaZombie They're going to address that ending in Clerks 3!
@@graced1338 The highlight of the Clerks 3 trailer for me, although the whole thing looks like it's going to be a blast. 😆
CHEWBACCA!!!!!
*WHAT A WOOKIE!*
@@crimsondynamo615 Chewie is that you?
this particular clip should be shown in schools around the world.
If they ever do a Star Wars Rouge Two, they have to at least say something about the Independent Contractors working on the Second Death Star.
The only Disney Wars movie I liked.
*ROGUE
The entire scene is a sorta metaphor for the plot of the movie Especially with the alternate ending.
Dante comes to work and is exposed to things he doesn't want to deal with, even though he knows that he's going to deal with them. (On his day off even!)
It's a movie about escaping your shit life and try to live your real self. Like Randall who only stressed out over his friends stress.
Shit or get off the pot
Gold
Roofer says he listens to his heart, not his wallet, but it's clear he doesn't care that his friend died and that HE bore some responsibility for it. He knew the job was dangerous, still gave it to his friend possibly without telling him, and then acted like his death was all his fault. Guy's a psychopath, pure and simple. No empathy, no regret, no accountability, no heart.
One of my favorite Clerks scenes! I would pay serious money to hear Dante and Randall's take on the travesty that was Star Wars TLJ.
Knowing smith he’d just write them singing praises to those movies
Maybe that's what _Clerks 3_ is about?
Anyone else notice there is a chewbacca song in the back
Yeah
chewbaccca!
CHEWIE!!!!
If you plan to shoplift¤¤¤¤ Let Us Know.
Roofers: any truth to this?
Roofing contractor doesn't go on the roof. Crackheads, felons and alcoholics do.
Wow I’m a roofer
CHEWBACCA!!
I don't think ALL of evil was destroyed when the Death Star was blown up the first time around. Randall's overlooking the possibility that there were the prisoners that were not considered evil in the Death Star that possibility were killed too...
Its war.
What a wookie!!
Compliments of Lando? No love for Nein Numb or Wedge Antilles?
The use of contractors in the Iraq War explained in a nutshell...
CHEWBACCA!!! CHEWY!!!
A roofers' personal politics
This scene or the 37 dicks scene is my favorite in the movie and there are a lot of great scene to be had in this classic.
The Death Star II was supposed to look like that.
Love Randall, but fuck, no way Jedi is better than Empire
They never took into account the empire strong arming people into doing the work like Rogue One
That still doesn't make it any better and since adding Rogue One to this universe it showed that the Rebels literally had a win placed in their lap because they didn't even believe in the death star the first time Anytime a movie or a show or a game has where you had to warn a group of political people that death and Dume is coming and all they say is nope nope nope until it's at their doorstep Then they fire from the hip with some weird janky plan
Love the new youtube add where the woman is sick of the mask and rips it off right before i skip it.
...and this being discussed in New Jersey, capital state of contactors(note he handed a business card while giving his opinion of the disussion,?🤔😎ha funny guy who makes a good point. Logically.
It's funny cuz no one's right. It's all bs. Dante thinks that's the point, the destruction of the second death star was a victory for the rebels: everyone wins. The roofer justifies the innocent deaths just because he has authority on the subject. Randal doesn't believe the ends justify the means; They should've waited till the death star was completed to avoid as many innocent casualties as possible, even if that meant the possibility of entire planets being vaporized. Just like the train problem, switching the tracks you're actively killing people, should only be trying to stop the train
And then to top it all off, it's about a sci-fi movie. Way to make good conversation out of a mundane day-to-day, shows how interesting people can be. Even when talking about nothing
Randall: What do you like better Endgame or Infinity War
Dante: Infinity War
Randall: Last for me
Dante: Infinity War had a better Ending
he says blasphemy not last for me lmao
Now that you said it, I can imagine that's probably what Dante would say if he and Randall talked about Avengers.
Empire.
pool security for housing unit
I wonder if Dominic Bambino was affiliated with the Sopranos. Because you know. New Jersey
Bloody
The contractors coukd have been either slave labor or robots
Randall is wrong by the way, everyone knows episode five is the superior film, it's why every single franchise tries to copy it, it's not blasphemy at all, if anything his opinions are blasphemy
Yeah I mean as much as I like ROTJ for what it is I'd still stand by like Empire being the best of the Original Trilogy and is considered an example of one of the few film sequels that is actually better than the first one I mean most film sequels are almost always inferior to the first but Empire is one of the few examples of a sequel outclassing the first one in film history
Isn’t this the plot of Rogue One?
Rogue One wasn't out by the time Clerks was out.
He didn’t pronounce Han correctly
Marx meets Star Wars.
How do you mean?
people really do have conversations like this it means you have a boring job
nope. it just means that some people don't take life so seriously
And yet, Dante and Randall are still clerks to this day.
What enlightened conversations are had in fun jobs?
Ryan McDaniel fucking moron
The Empire did nothing wrong
Just kill children and blow up whole planets, lol.
So you're refer doin
I job baby fac being
Binno!!
Blasphemy
His girlfriend certainly had a series of "down endings". LOL.
In a row?
27 down endings
CHEWBACCA!!!