It’s not necessarily unfair. He just didn’t know the real Kathy’s voice. Not knowing how Kathy sounded, it seems like a horrible Chicago accent, because she didn’t speak with a typical Chicago accent.
The funny thing is, Jodie Comer NAILED the real voice of Kathy. I've heard the audio recordings and it's quite amazing how similar they sound. Love it or hate it, that's the actual dialect and voice of Kathy.
That doesn't mean it will work in a film and having an audience listen to it. I found it so annoying that I almost walked out of this film just over it.
I see this movie more as a documentary than as this big dramatic blockbuster with a crazy, epic ending. You gotta remember that it is based on a book that DOCUMENTED the lifes of some random bikers. It is not a fictional story about some legends but a story about real people with real lifes. I think its authentic and the ultimate goal was to catch and experience that feeling that those people had felt in the 60s and 70s. I definitely felt that, so I am totally fine with the ending
Real life Kathy really spoke that way and it was a conscious risky choice on Jodie's part. She knew it was risky. That's the way that woman spoke. Thanks for the review.
She didn’t “invent” the accent. Respectfully, if you listen to any of the interviews Jodie has done during the junket you would’ve known that the voice she employs is Kathy’s actual accent. She does a great job.
She did the accent the way she was instructed to do. It isn't her fault. Go back and watch the interview with her regarding this accent and how she and her voice coach had to work around it this was off a 30 minute tape of Kathy's real voice.
Jodie modelled the accent off of her characters voice on tape and worked with an accent coach. She said she had a distinctive accent. She sounds like some Wisconsin accent crossed with some Minnesota.
Admittedly I don't have much of an ear for midwestern accents, but I think the performance is unfortunately going to invite a lot of ridicule at her expense.
@@geekinwithJamesHancock They have been playing a lot of radio adverts for the film here in the UK, so when you hear the voices without any pictures it sounds even worse. As for your comments about the ending, I also haven't read the book but if the director has stayed true to the original script and not changed it to a all guns blazing revenge blood bath ... all power to him
@@geekinwithJamesHancockBlue collar folks always have the thickest accents in the English speaking world. These characters’ accents are appropriately thick Upper Midwestern because they are all blue collar Illinois natives to the core. This characterization is the point of the accents-it tells you exactly where they came from.
@chamberlain323 it didn't sound real to me I read the comments that's how the real character sounded according to the actress I would need to hear the recordings to believe it Her accent doesn't sound like where she is from
@@carlao7157 How many people have to say it. The character she's portraying talks like that. I guess they should fake it to sound like someone else so as to not offend TH-cam critics.
Jodie Comer could easily have done just a typical generic Chicago accent but wanted to be true to Kathy, the character she plays. So she studied the audio tapes of Kathy that Jeff Nichols provided and absolutely nailed THAT accent. Of course it helps if you know this before making such a critical judgment but tnat's called research.
The "Goodfellas" again. It doesn't "aspire" to be the "Goodfellas" . If you 'movie reviewers' actually rode bike, you'd get that the movie's goal to to actually depict the true accounts in Danny Lyons' book of interviews and pictures. The one that wrote the book was in the Outlaws MC during the mid-1960's . It's depicting reality, NOT copying some damn movie. The only accurate review I got on TH-cam came from a long-time biker. The movie is freaking great. '
Criticizing Jodie Comer for playing a real life character perfectly (having used audiotapes of the real Kathy’s distinctive accent, and having the courage and the skill to nail it) is sad and ignorant. She will likely get an Oscar nom and quite possibly win it.
Smh... Idk why people are expecting more from a movie that was advertised as exactly what the movie turnrd out to be 🤦🏽♂️. "Based on a true story" in itself is based on creative liberties.
I thought Jodie Comer's accent was odd at first but didn't bother me after about 10 min. Maybe if I was from Chicago I'd have been more offended. It's funny Benedict Cumberbatch in Black Mass is my go-to example of how not to do the Boston accent (my native city). Love Benedict C. & respect the big swing but damn did he miss. (SPoileRs) I enjoyed this movie. The trailer had me guessing Tom Hardy's char would be the one to take the club into a darker place (drugs/murder) and Austin Butler's char would not be willing to go that far. Johnny got a raw deal with that young punk shooting him so it was a much more sympathetic role for Hardy than I had anticipated. Another big positive for me, the soundtrack, was pretty much perfect. Your idea of Benny taking vengence for Johnny's murder in an epic finale sounds awesome & I would have loved that but I wasn't disappointed with what we got.
As much as I love this channel, I disagree with the assessment: the finale is reminiscent of how the original novel A Clockwork Orange ended, which retroactively imposes a different interpretation on the work from Kubrick's otherwise faithful adaptation. The Bikeriders, in another words, is about what you have to leave behind when it's time to grow up: you trade in illusory fun and freedom for a life of stability, sobriety and maturity. And that kind of life is less exciting on the surface, but it also allows you to build something meaningful, even if growing up sometimes feels like an act of mourning in terms of what you have to sacrifice... which is why the melancholic conclusion is so pitch perfect. Now I would never say this is a great movie, but it is certainly much better than the alternate version James H. imagines, with a Scarface-like shoot out. Poetic license, as per his recommendation, is one thing... but recycling crappy Hollywood tropes is something less than that...
Completely disagree re. ending, though you're likely right about how many people will react to it. A violent revenge fantasy is how of 95% movies would end. Running away from the violence (a contest he'd never, ever win IRL outnumbered 50 to 1) while yearning for the former glory of what once was is far more poignant. It's more compelling precisely because it's far more realistic. This reminds me when half the Sopranos audience melted down over the "terrible" ending.
Terrible review overall. You just didn’t get it. I saw this movie because Austin Butler was in it. Pretty obvious you released this video last year before the press for it. Jodi Comer explains that she modeled it after the real woman’s actual voice. So get over yourself. Plus I strongly disagree with you about the ending. I thought the ending was great because again it mirrors what we know of the real people. It focused on the nostalgia of the period which you apparently completely missed. The film was never about the gang it’s about the time period and I thought the end was perfect.
The book is just a photobook and a series of interviews with the people of the MC Outlaws club. There's not much of details or anything because it's not a book in a strict sense of the word. It's an artful photobook first and foremost. Jeff had to build up a narrative of his own upon its visuals. He had to come up with about 80% of material to make it into a movie.
I loved the ending. It was sadder living his life as a “suburbanite” than if he died while riding/being a biker, because he spent his whole life shunning that lifestyle. I don’t think most people went into this movie expecting a Hollywood ending anyway.
The English actor Ian Hart did a Northern Ireland accent in Blind Flight. I'm from there but I could hardly understand a word he said. People complained about Brad Pitt's accent in Snatch but I could understand him no problem and it was a very thick Southern Irish accent.
Spoiler alert!!! I found the ending to be a beautiful little surprise where the couple (who seem to be very much in love) choose happiness over getting even more sucked into the undertow of this world that was spiraling out of control. I was full on expecting for her to describe how Benny met some unceremonious death as he tried to avenge his friend’s murder and when he was shown outside, talking with his cousin in a uniform, it was a relief. Not knowing what to expect, the ads for this movie looked a bit average and I’m trying to find a spot for it in my own personal inventory. I would place it in the same category of something like Fandango, where these college friends go on a road trip but it doesn’t turn out to be this crazy adventure in the more traditional sense. There’s a sublime beauty in how simple it is and how at the heart of everything, it’s really about friendship (in the case of that movie). I had no problem with the ending and liked that there was light at the end of the darkness for those two.
Watched this film several times just to watch the moody broody beautiful Austin Butler !! He’s perfect for this role & may I say for any movies he’s part of- a modern chameleon ! Heard a recording of the real Kathy - Jody Comer sounds exactly the same - remember this was back in 60s !! Don’t think the movie was promoted correctly ! It has no ending - u guess will Benny stay or go biking again . A love story . Enjoyed the ending - Benny did say NEVER will he lead & he meant it !!!! Loved that little speech !! Without Austin I’d hv never went to theater . Think the Dec 3 release in spite of the strike it may hv done better . Austin has serious talent & omg gorgeous 😊
I had to ‘pump the brakes’ (unlike Comer w her accent) before the spoilers but great review, so stoked to see and also luv how Butler becoming the true star he is
I noticed in the more recent trailers that they trimmed the number of scenes with her dialogue. Could be a coincidence but I suspect reactions to the first trailer were fresh on their minds.
Just saw the Bikeriders. For once, I didn't care that someone in the theater was on their phone. His Instagram feed was literally the most exciting part.
My biggest problem with the movie is the pacing. So much of the movie felt passive because it interjects a lot of moments where you have this photographer interviews with Jodie Comer's character, and it just made the movie boring to me.
First saw Austin Butler as the randy half elf in the tv show The Shannara Chronicles and he looked like someone who would hit it big. I agree with the take that the ending was so flat footed and anti climatic that I groaned internally. Roger Corman would have known how to give this film a kick butt ending. Plus you were generous to Jodi Cormer as she was flat out terrible and it wasn't just her insulting bad accent. She was lousy in The Last Duel and you could see her in scenes lagging miles behind Tom Hardy and Austin Butler in screen presence and charisma. She has none.
@@SallyNigel Really. I bet you could easily replace her with half a dozen other young actresses and not notice a jot of difference in the performance. Just was checking what Cormer's new movie is. NONE. Being in two straight movie flops will do that. Back to tv and streaming I guess.
@@raymondsmith6870 well she have 3 upcoming movies …. and even if you replace her with more famous actresses you can’t take away the fact that she’s probably the best of her generation alongside Saoirse Ronan..
@@raymondsmith6870 you can’t in case you didn’t know she’s 2/3 of the triple crown of Acting not only in the US but also in the UK, tell me who can beat that among her age range hahahah!!!!
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Your critique of her accent is unfair. The real life woman sounds just like that.
It’s not necessarily unfair. He just didn’t know the real Kathy’s voice. Not knowing how Kathy sounded, it seems like a horrible Chicago accent, because she didn’t speak with a typical Chicago accent.
@@Stumme-40203 the press junkets addressed that and I do think his comments were unfair!
The funny thing is, Jodie Comer NAILED the real voice of Kathy. I've heard the audio recordings and it's quite amazing how similar they sound. Love it or hate it, that's the actual dialect and voice of Kathy.
Where can I find the audio recording. I need to check for myself
To me the accent was terrible
That doesn't mean it will work in a film and having an audience listen to it. I found it so annoying that I almost walked out of this film just over it.
jeff nichols said in an interview that jodie sounded exactly like the audio of the real kathy, so i think shes done a good job
I see this movie more as a documentary than as this big dramatic blockbuster with a crazy, epic ending. You gotta remember that it is based on a book that DOCUMENTED the lifes of some random bikers. It is not a fictional story about some legends but a story about real people with real lifes. I think its authentic and the ultimate goal was to catch and experience that feeling that those people had felt in the 60s and 70s. I definitely felt that, so I am totally fine with the ending
Even more realistic than most documentaries about this life
I really like Butler
He’s really becoming a great presence on screen
Austin Butler is one handsome man.Not there's anything wrong with that.
Real life Kathy really spoke that way and it was a conscious risky choice on Jodie's part. She knew it was risky. That's the way that woman spoke. Thanks for the review.
She didn’t “invent” the accent. Respectfully, if you listen to any of the interviews Jodie has done during the junket you would’ve known that the voice she employs is Kathy’s actual accent. She does a great job.
She did the accent the way she was instructed to do. It isn't her fault. Go back and watch the interview with her regarding this accent and how she and her voice coach had to work around it this was off a 30 minute tape of Kathy's real voice.
I didn’t mind the ending. It felt like where it was going.
@@bobbydigital9371 yes! The ending was the absolute truth…
Jodie modelled the accent off of her characters voice on tape and worked with an accent coach. She said she had a distinctive accent. She sounds like some Wisconsin accent crossed with some Minnesota.
Admittedly I don't have much of an ear for midwestern accents, but I think the performance is unfortunately going to invite a lot of ridicule at her expense.
@@geekinwithJamesHancock They have been playing a lot of radio adverts for the film here in the UK, so when you hear the voices without any pictures it sounds even worse.
As for your comments about the ending, I also haven't read the book but if the director has stayed true to the original script and not changed it to a all guns blazing revenge blood bath ... all power to him
@@geekinwithJamesHancockBlue collar folks always have the thickest accents in the English speaking world. These characters’ accents are appropriately thick Upper Midwestern because they are all blue collar Illinois natives to the core. This characterization is the point of the accents-it tells you exactly where they came from.
@chamberlain323 it didn't sound real to me
I read the comments that's how the real character sounded according to the actress
I would need to hear the recordings to believe it
Her accent doesn't sound like where she is from
@@carlao7157 How many people have to say it. The character she's portraying talks like that. I guess they should fake it to sound like someone else so as to not offend TH-cam critics.
Unprofessional reviewer. Comer, and Hardy as well, modified their voices to resemble the voices of the real life characters they are based on.
I will say this about Jodie, she's great in most accents, but her anerican accent isn't her strongest asset. I noticed this on Killing Eve as well.
Jodie Comer could easily have done just a typical generic Chicago accent but wanted to be true to Kathy, the character she plays. So she studied the audio tapes of Kathy that Jeff Nichols provided and absolutely nailed THAT accent. Of course it helps if you know this before making such a critical judgment but tnat's called research.
That's too much work for people who like to bitch including the reviewer who should've done his homework first.
The "Goodfellas" again. It doesn't "aspire" to be the "Goodfellas" . If you 'movie reviewers' actually rode bike, you'd get that the movie's goal to to actually depict the true accounts in Danny Lyons' book of interviews and pictures. The one that wrote the book was in the Outlaws MC during the mid-1960's . It's depicting reality, NOT copying some damn movie. The only accurate review I got on TH-cam came from a long-time biker. The movie is freaking great. '
Criticizing Jodie Comer for playing a real life character perfectly (having used audiotapes of the real Kathy’s distinctive accent, and having the courage and the skill to nail it) is sad and ignorant. She will likely get an Oscar nom and quite possibly win it.
Smh... Idk why people are expecting more from a movie that was advertised as exactly what the movie turnrd out to be 🤦🏽♂️.
"Based on a true story" in itself is based on creative liberties.
This dude doesn't know what he's talking about. Comer's accent is 100% completely authentic. Do some research, dude. Dope
What I love about Stone is how dirty and scruffy the bikers were. It felt real. This movie looks very clean and pretty. I will still give it a go tho.
Agreed, it’s also extremely authentic to what the Chicago area was like in that time frame.
I thought Jodie Comer's accent was odd at first but didn't bother me after about 10 min. Maybe if I was from Chicago I'd have been more offended.
It's funny Benedict Cumberbatch in Black Mass is my go-to example of how not to do the Boston accent (my native city). Love Benedict C. & respect the big swing but damn did he miss.
(SPoileRs) I enjoyed this movie. The trailer had me guessing Tom Hardy's char would be the one to take the club into a darker place (drugs/murder) and Austin Butler's char would not be willing to go that far. Johnny got a raw deal with that young punk shooting him so it was a much more sympathetic role for Hardy than I had anticipated.
Another big positive for me, the soundtrack, was pretty much perfect.
Your idea of Benny taking vengence for Johnny's murder in an epic finale sounds awesome & I would have loved that but I wasn't disappointed with what we got.
As much as I love this channel, I disagree with the assessment: the finale is reminiscent of how the original novel A Clockwork Orange ended, which retroactively imposes a different interpretation on the work from Kubrick's otherwise faithful adaptation. The Bikeriders, in another words, is about what you have to leave behind when it's time to grow up: you trade in illusory fun and freedom for a life of stability, sobriety and maturity. And that kind of life is less exciting on the surface, but it also allows you to build something meaningful, even if growing up sometimes feels like an act of mourning in terms of what you have to sacrifice... which is why the melancholic conclusion is so pitch perfect.
Now I would never say this is a great movie, but it is certainly much better than the alternate version James H. imagines, with a Scarface-like shoot out. Poetic license, as per his recommendation, is one thing... but recycling crappy Hollywood tropes is something less than that...
Completely disagree re. ending, though you're likely right about how many people will react to it. A violent revenge fantasy is how of 95% movies would end. Running away from the violence (a contest he'd never, ever win IRL outnumbered 50 to 1) while yearning for the former glory of what once was is far more poignant. It's more compelling precisely because it's far more realistic. This reminds me when half the Sopranos audience melted down over the "terrible" ending.
I also feel that Gary Oldman is so good at american accents because he has lived in America since the 90s.
Why does Tom Hardy always insist on using the weirdest voices in his films?!
But can it standup to Wild Hogs?
Omg that movie was hysterical
And OUTLAWS MC is a CLUB , not a "gang". The term came from the AMA bureaucrats.
Tom Hardy has an annoying accent and terrible enunciation in every role he's played except for Bane. That being said, I still think he's a good actor.
Hells yeah been looking forward to this for a while. Yours will be the first review I watch once I see it!
Sounds good! Definitely worth seeing for Austin Butler's kick ass performance.
Terrible review overall. You just didn’t get it. I saw this movie because Austin Butler was in it. Pretty obvious you released this video last year before the press for it. Jodi Comer explains that she modeled it after the real woman’s actual voice. So get over yourself. Plus I strongly disagree with you about the ending. I thought the ending was great because again it mirrors what we know of the real people. It focused on the nostalgia of the period which you apparently completely missed. The film was never about the gang it’s about the time period and I thought the end was perfect.
Yup Jodie Comer is so endearing and pretty even with the ridiculous wig (confrontation with Benny)…
The book is just a photobook and a series of interviews with the people of the MC Outlaws club. There's not much of details or anything because it's not a book in a strict sense of the word. It's an artful photobook first and foremost. Jeff had to build up a narrative of his own upon its visuals. He had to come up with about 80% of material to make it into a movie.
Saw an interview with Jeff that he fictionalized so much because he didn’t want to piss off the real Outlaws
I loved the ending. It was sadder living his life as a “suburbanite” than if he died while riding/being a biker, because he spent his whole life shunning that lifestyle. I don’t think most people went into this movie expecting a Hollywood ending anyway.
The English actor Ian Hart did a Northern Ireland accent in Blind Flight. I'm from there but I could hardly understand a word he said. People complained about Brad Pitt's accent in Snatch but I could understand him no problem and it was a very thick Southern Irish accent.
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I like the movie, but Inside Out 2 is going to eat its lunch this weekend, and Despicable Me 4 is going to eat everybody’s lunch next weekend.
Spoiler alert!!! I found the ending to be a beautiful little surprise where the couple (who seem to be very much in love) choose happiness over getting even more sucked into the undertow of this world that was spiraling out of control.
I was full on expecting for her to describe how Benny met some unceremonious death as he tried to avenge his friend’s murder and when he was shown outside, talking with his cousin in a uniform, it was a relief.
Not knowing what to expect, the ads for this movie looked a bit average and I’m trying to find a spot for it in my own personal inventory. I would place it in the same category of something like Fandango, where these college friends go on a road trip but it doesn’t turn out to be this crazy adventure in the more traditional sense. There’s a sublime beauty in how simple it is and how at the heart of everything, it’s really about friendship (in the case of that movie). I had no problem with the ending and liked that there was light at the end of the darkness for those two.
This review is actually the thing with problems.
Love the Looney Tunes voices ... "I Tawt I Taw a Puddy Cat"
Oh man, I hadn't even thought of that but now I won't be able to get that comparison out of my head. Harsh but accurate.
Lol right pretty corny kind of ruins the film
That very short example of Jodie Comer's accent sounded hyper mid-western, like Minnesota. Exaggerated. That would probably get on my nerves too.
Did you see The Nosferatu trailer before the movie. I would love to hear what you thought about it to me it looked great.
Right now, The Bikeriders is in my Top Ten, but it’s hanging on by its fingernails.
Watched this film several times just to watch the moody broody beautiful Austin Butler !! He’s perfect for this role & may I say for any movies he’s part of- a modern chameleon ! Heard a recording of the real Kathy - Jody Comer sounds exactly the same - remember this was back in 60s !! Don’t think the movie was promoted correctly ! It has no ending - u guess will Benny stay or go biking again . A love story . Enjoyed the ending - Benny did say NEVER will he lead & he meant it !!!! Loved that little speech !! Without Austin I’d hv never went to theater . Think the Dec 3 release in spite of the strike it may hv done better . Austin has serious talent & omg gorgeous 😊
Tough. Nichols had a good win streak. I really liked Take Shelter, Mud, and Midnight Special.
Thank you so much for this review, James!
Why do you keep saying biker gang. Do you not know what MC means?
Was that a Lewis Leather jacket??
Awesome Jacket. I want to see this for Hardy.
The Northville Cemetary Massacre is a cool biker gang movie from the 70s , check it out.
1960s / 1970s....I'm in.
I had to ‘pump the brakes’ (unlike Comer w her accent) before the spoilers but great review, so stoked to see and also luv how Butler becoming the true star he is
The sky's the limit for Butler. I'm a huge fan and will be rooting for him every step of the way.
Tom Hardy always does a weird accent. Expect it
No way Jodie Comer thought that sounded good 🤣
Great review as always !
I noticed in the more recent trailers that they trimmed the number of scenes with her dialogue. Could be a coincidence but I suspect reactions to the first trailer were fresh on their minds.
I'm from Chicago, that's how the Chicago oldheads sound exactly lol. It was good
Dude, SHE SOUNDS IDENTICAL TO THE REAL KATHY!!! Do your research before you speak about something you do not know!! Come on man🙄
Take Shelter one of my favourite movies, very underrated.
Just saw the Bikeriders. For once, I didn't care that someone in the theater was on their phone. His Instagram feed was literally the most exciting part.
Judith Crist you ain't.
Kind of like "Fargo"...regional exaggeration
My favorite biker film: Werewolves on Wheels.
why the language? It dosen't make you cool.
Oh yeah, and sorry pal, that is a dead on mid century mid west accent.
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I’m ride or die for Nichols, but the news of that ending bums me out.
My biggest problem with the movie is the pacing. So much of the movie felt passive because it interjects a lot of moments where you have this photographer interviews with Jodie Comer's character, and it just made the movie boring to me.
I think Jodie Comer and Tom Hardy went to the same voice coach. 😂
I was like, “Why do you talk like that? What kind of voices are you doing??” 🤣
How sad!!
First saw Austin Butler as the randy half elf in the tv show The Shannara Chronicles and he looked like someone who would hit it big. I agree with the take that the ending was so flat footed and anti climatic that I groaned internally. Roger Corman would have known how to give this film a kick butt ending. Plus you were generous to Jodi Cormer as she was flat out terrible and it wasn't just her insulting bad accent. She was lousy in The Last Duel and you could see her in scenes lagging miles behind Tom Hardy and Austin Butler in screen presence and charisma. She has none.
She was the best thing on bikerides and esp on the Last duel!!
@@SallyNigel
Really. I bet you could easily replace her with half a dozen other young actresses and not notice a jot of difference in the performance. Just was checking what Cormer's new movie is. NONE. Being in two straight movie flops will do that. Back to tv and streaming I guess.
@@raymondsmith6870 well she have 3 upcoming movies …. and even if you replace her with more famous actresses you can’t take away the fact that she’s probably the best of her generation alongside Saoirse Ronan..
@@raymondsmith6870 you can’t in case you didn’t know she’s 2/3 of the triple crown of Acting not only in the US but also in the UK, tell me who can beat that among her age range hahahah!!!!
@@raymondsmith6870 hahahha why is bikeriders flop??? they sold it on Austin and Tom Hardy’s name, just curiously wondering so don’t go there.
Kind of like "Fargo"...regional exaggeration