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Every time Mina said that people wore *certain garments* because they were fashionable and not of their evilness I just imagined people from that era being like "hehehee (evil laugh) I'm wearing my evil head piece" 😂😂😂😂
Speaking of fairytales, this reminds me of Rumplestiltskin's "evil wig" from Shrek Forever After... Also, it would be very curious to watch a video on costumes in the Shrek movies from Mina :]
The Grimms collected old European folk tales and transformed them into educational stories for children. A LOT of the stories had evil mothers, which the Grimms decided to switch to evil step mothers, because they felt evil mothers would have been a bit much and that kids would relate more with evil step moms.
true. they changed it to step mothers because the role of a mother at that time also changed. they thought a mother would never do something bad to their own children
They collected German folk tales, in particular, in a time when Germany was not exactly a thing. They were a part of the national-romantic movement of the time, a part of the attempt to establish nations and national myths after the crumpling of the empires in Europe. Almost every European country has the equivalent of the Grimm brothers. The largest part of what we think of as defining characteristics of European nations was shaped, and often invented, during this period.
@@Noora_Spruce Actually it's a misconception, if you're referring to the grimm brothers (1812), they're just another version of a retelling of a retelling, not the original. Disney took inspiration from older and happier versions, like Cinderella by Perrault (1697), also not the original.
on traditional ideals of women: the women were not expected to work outside the home, but women did bust their asses in the home, and Snow White, Cinderella especially showcase this. and considering that there is a 100% chance that a woman will labor in her home and like a 0% chance that a man will fight a dragon IRL, i think the passive, traditional princesses deserve respect
Yes! Circa the turn of the millenium there were many t.v. series that out a modern family in a period specific house setting to see how they got on. Women busting their asses was the typical outcome. It always bugs me when people say women didn’t work in the past
@@kathrynstemler6331 civilization exists because women wanted to live in houses, not caves, and we have been working our asses off to have nice homes ever since
As a child, I hated it because the book was my favorite and I wanted a real adaptation, but looking back now, I can admit that it's fun and if I was looking at it separate from the book, I would have loved it.
10:50 My biggest pet peeve in “historical” movies are when men are shown with unlaced doublets like they’re jackets, with their undershirt used as a shirt! The modernization of historical men’s fashion in particular is a symptom of toxic masculinity, where men aren’t shown wearing proper historical attire because it’s too ornamental, or bc they’d have to wear heels, tights, or wigs (Gasp!!) This leads to a lack of appreciation of men’s fashion so it conforms to modern societal views of gender and masculinity.
OMG YAAAAS!¡! as a hobby sewist, I'm always frustrated at how minimal the style choices are in men's wear. And I look at men's wear in historical fashion and think I wish men can wear frilly and poofy stuff in mainstream fashion today. I make clothes for my family and I want to sew more frilly poofy stuff for my husband but i don't want him to be a spectacle and I know he won't wear them 😆
THANK YOUUUU i think about this all the time and it bothers me that a lot of people only talk about this with women. like esp because you'll have movies where the hero is wearing ahistorical leather pants and whatever but the villain is wearing a period appropriate long robe because they look effeminate today
And solidifies the beliefs of what masculinity is and _"has always been. Core toxic masculinity. That's why all the men are wearing black leather in modern movies set in historical times 🙄
I've been into otome isekai "historical fantasy" webcomics lately and it's making Disney and Hollywood costuming look like it came out of an encyclopedia 😂
@@citiaii I put historical fantasy there in quotation marks because OI kinda needs an explainer for the uninitiated and it's an easy way to sum it up 😂 I don't know any that properly combine both, mostly because otome isekai's videogame setup and _actually_ historical stuff are kind of at odds by definition hahah. I can pop off some favorites but I have a LOT so it'll be a minute while I gather them :)) also curious about your rec list if you've got one!
@@citiaii There are many and most are romance lmao. Now these recommendations aren't necessarily otome but they are isekai histtoral. -Father I don't want this marriage! -Death is the only ending for a villianess -What happens when the second male lead powers up(this one isn't rlly romance it is more of a slice of life? It isn't far in the story so yea.) -Live as a Villianess -I raised a Black Dragon -The one within the Villianess I haven't read most of these lmao they are simply just in my reading list.
@@anastasial7687 It works cause it's all fantasy only and thus no historical value. If Hollywood had more fun with old-school fantasies we would get so many pretty outfits!!
Recently watched abitfrank’s video on the original Italian Rapunzel, and honestly, I don’t know WHY that version doesn’t get adapted more often. Rapunzel in the Basile version masterminds her own escape and defeats her OWN villain. I think Grimm’s Rapunzel is still more hauntingly beautiful, but if you’d rather have a smart resourceful Princess, check out Petrosinella by Basile.
I don't know anymore if Rapunzel saved herself in this version, but I grew up with the version where the prince was blinded and then being lost in the forest and Rapunzel found him in the end (but I think her stepmother let her go for some reason?) but I've also always thought that is the Grimm version
Fancy seeing you here Al! Always happy to see a little crossover between the Drawfee or just animation channels that I love, and the other parts of TH-cam that I equally enjoy, but I wouldn’t necessarily expect! Thanks for letting me know about the Italian version of Rapunzel too, I’ll have to check it out!
As those who are fans of the fairy tale know - the Grimm brothers nicked their versions from much older versions of the same stories from all over the World. I would highly recommend, for those who want to explore further, Idries Shah's 'World Tales' - it is out of print but can be picked up second-hand and is exquisitely illustrated (Algonquin Cinderella anybody?).
8:10 in defense of Danielle, the movie explained that she had a special bond with her father and one of the activities they did together was reading books. „Utopia“ the book from which she quotes within the movie, was her favorite book that she read with her father, so it kinda makes sense that she can quote it. I don’t think that she’s necessarily well educated, rather that from the beginning she is made out to be a curious character who is interested in knowledge. Of course it’s not an accurate reflection of the time-period and more appealing for us modern girls but I think she is a very well made out character, as she is pretty coherent. The movie never tries to make her „not like other girls“. She’s just the way she is and Drew Berrymore did a fantastic job at portraying her.
I also assumed that Ursula was queer coded, but then was so fabulous and likeable. I think the artists responsible for her actually made her as a bit of a love letter to drag queens they were friends with. Which is probably why the coding feels less maligned with her.
As the other commenter said, Divine was Ursula's inspiration. If you look at her makeup (specifically the eyebrows), it imitates the style Divine was best known for doing.
Adding to previous comments, Divine was also supposed to voice Ursula but passed away before she could do the role. Feels like modern Disney has actually regressed in some ways with queer representation
I think for fairy tale films the lack of a specific time period is often done on purpose because written and oral fairy tales are detached from time and place, making them timeless. For period dramas accurate costumes and locations add to the story but I think the opposite is true for fairy tales.
Respectfully, I think you overlooked an important source of this style, which is the genre of fairy tale and legend (like, Arthurian legend) children's books that became quite popular in the later 19th century. Illustrated by artists such as Crane, Greenaway, HJ Ford, and Caldecott, they were not only popular "on paper" and in painting, etc., but were also quite influential on the performing arts into the early 20th century-including early film. Artists of the Pre-Raphaelites and Arts and Crafts movements loved combining aspects of Medieval and Renaissance fashion to create their own aesthetic of "pastness." (With Greenaway and some others, that extends into the 18th century as well.) Anyway, I enjoyed the video a lot, thank you! But I think it's important to note that "fairy-tale historical mashup" has a long history and some pretty clear links to that earlier style.
Great point! I feel like this video wasn't as meticulously researched as some of Mina's other videos, but that might be because I know a lot about the subject.
It’s strange how reserved directors seem to be in going full-on medieval in the costume design for period pieces, and yet I recognize some references to medieval or renaissance attire in like sci-fi movies. That would actually be a cool video essay idea! The influences on sci-fi fashion!
this is such a cool and interesting video !! as for the question at the end, my favorite fairytale growing up was rapunzel. i love that, in the version i read, the witch was like “fine i get it, your pregnant wife has weird cravings, you can steal this plant from my garden this one time, but i swear if u come back here again u owe me ur firstborn” like obviously a bit evil but pretty reasonable compared to most villains! and then the guy COMES BACK ANYWAY, knowing that the consequences of stealing this plant is the loss of his child, and he’s just like “listen the wife just really wants this plant to munch on ok” and that’s how rapunzel ends up in the witch’s tower, named for the plant she was traded away for.
Mirror, Mirror's costuming leaves me in awe every time. Everything is so out there and vibrant and full of details to feast your eyes upon, I love it to bits.
My grandparents had an old Mother Goose book from like the 1910s and my favorite of the fairy tales in that was BLUEBEARD of all the stories! It never even sunk in how absolutely horrific it is until I was explaining what it was to someone who had never heard of it before.
I didn't have a book, but I used to watch these originally Japanese animated adaptations of fairy tales called Grimm's Classic Fairy Tales and I remember Bluebeard as well. I've stumbled upon it recently and I have to say it's pretty scary for little kids. It's on youtube if anyone wants to watch it!
@@stone_forest3802 a girl is married off to this mysterious noble who seems like an ok husband who says she can have anything in his castle but cant go into one room. One day he leaves for a trip and gives her a ring if keys with a tiny key to the room she shouldnt go in so she can go wherever she wants but not that room. Naturally she goes in it and finds all the bodies of his former wives. In her horror she drops the keys and no matter how hard she scrubs she cant wash the blood off. So he comes home asks for the keys back sees the blood and declares he gas to kill her. In my version shes saved by hiding in the tallest tower of the castle until her sister and brother arrive and kill him.
I think that you can tell a story through costuming and it's the attention to detail that we often don't notice. When the Star Wars costumes were on tour a number of years ago, there was so much information for the styles and techniques used to create those garments that took from cultures all over the world. Costuming is something that is often taken for granted, but we appreciate it and think it's wonderful that they care enough to cater to us.
On the subject of Danielle, it was established early on that her and her father read together. Also that the Stepmother sold the collection piece by piece. With her being able to sneak away for afternoon swims, I could see her stealing books and replacing them as she finished. Plus with her friend being able to afford paint supplies, he had some form of money. I could see him helping her out.
My favourite fairy tale as a child was Peau D'ane and East of the Sun and West of the Moon. They are very rarely talked about but my storybook of classics was full of colourful and fantastical tales that put the mainstream classics to shame. Unrelated but I would love to see you make a video about the outfits in the Peau D'ane movie as they are stunning!
i am obsessed with the costuming and set design of peau d’âne. the sun dress was so sparkly and glitter and the projection effect on the sky dress is so creative
Absolutely loved that movie as a child, I wanted one of those princess-y shimmery dresses so so bad! And Catherine Deneuve's hairstyles were gorgeous too!
Yo you just reminded me that I read this story in a book in like, elementary school and it was one of my favorite stories. I'll have to read it again. Thank you!
Yeah, but remember that people in the past tend to marry early and didn't live long. War, famine, dirty water, childbirth, pandemic, common cold, even a scratch could kill you.
@@queenmoreau2098 what's the name of the book and what kind of a book is it? If it's a Disney Princess picture book, then that's not a legitimate source for canonical information. Ya'll "need to move away from treating these works and characters primarily as franchises owned by the corporations currently milking their legacy for a profit, and start remembering that these films were, first and foremost, works of art created by artists." - M G (commenter) under "how old are the characters in snow white?" by ModernGurlz.
10:32 just a note that my mom told me as a teen that my great-grandmother refused to give up her corsets for the newer more modern "support garments" (and eventually bras) as they did not provide support for her zaftig frame / aching back and her giant "bazoombas" (my mom's words) -- apparently she would have been at least an e cup). She certainly didn't see her corset as a form of torture!
I think Cinderella is actually my favorite fairy tale. I like that most of the characters are women and I love the story of someone finding hope and remaining kind even when others are incredibly cruel to her. And in the end she gets a happy life and her terrible family gets what they deserve for being awful the whole story. Good stuff, 10/10 fairytale
Thank you for referencing the dance number seen at the end of fantasy films as it references the cast dance/finale seen at the end of shakespearean plays. Another great video, our adaptations of myths, legends and folklore play a huge part in our misunderstanding of period costume, Vikings for example being portrayed as fur clad horned helmeted barbarians.
if you're looking for more of eiko ishioka's work, i highly recommend my favorite movie the fall (2007), which is about a guy in a hospital telling a fairytale to a little girl, and the narrative is perceived through her mind and how she takes charge of the story. it's so beautiful and sad and i love it to pieces
@@paintedlady004 Yes!! I lost the disc (which in itself was a copy) years ago and I've never been able to find a site it streams from, even illegally. Its such a beautiful film!
The costuming in Mirror Mirror is such a blast. Eiko Ishioka had such a keen eye for textiles and the most effective and inventive ways to use them. She went out with an incredibly fun project. rip❤❤
My favorite fairytale is probably the 12 Dancing Princesses. The most historically accurate fairytale movie I ever saw is Beautician and the Beast! I remember denim jeans and a silk, green top on the dictator’s daughter at one point. So 90s 😂
One of my favourite fairytales as a child was a slavic (serbian) one. I‘m actually near from where the fairytale is set. It centers around a fairy named „Vila Ravijojla“ (Vila meaning fairy in serbian) living on a mountain, she was famous for her beautiful singing voice. I don‘t remember all the details but the main point is that she helped the serbian king Marko Kraljević and so she became a well-known mystical creature in serbian folklore. Many people traveling that specific mountain swear that they can still hear her sing to this day! I started loving that story after my mother had told me about how she used to play on that mountain whilst her parents were guarding the flock of sheep. She started hearing a woman singing so she followed the voice (which seemed to come from the forest nearby) but my grandparents stopped her before she could have gone any further!
i just want to mention that i appreciate that you put effort into correctly pronouncing foreign words, and that you don't add a little "i probably butchered that ;P" at the end as so many others do. it's a small thing but it shows a level of respect to non-anglophone cultures that i see from far too few youtubers.
It's so annoying. If you're not gonna even bother trying, why are you apologizing. Either take the time to pronounce it properly(or close to it) or just move on without mentioning it. The phrase was never funny and it stops being mildly amusing long before the 100th time you hear it. Most people aren't that bothered by bad pronunciation anyways.
love the video but u couldve touched on how the ROMANTICISM era was the first to glorify and romanticise the medieval ages( being a time period of no technology furthermore the beliefs of dragons, hags, potion making, etc). Thus romanticism also embraces imagination and youth, which are pretty much the keywords for a fairtytale. This idea that the medieval times had to do with romantic youthful fairytales and love stories goes on to influence the next centuries. Romanticism was basically the pioneer for medieval inspired fairytales.
The costumes from 2014's Le Belle et la Bete with Vincent Cassel and Léa Seydoux were absolute eye candy. Every single gown that they put Léa in was top tier. Pierre-Yves Gayraud really designs gorgeous stuff. I also enjoyed his work in Perfume: The Story of a Murderer. As for favorite fairytale? I can't even tell you how many retellings I've read of Sleeping Beauty.
Tolkien used the middle ages as a backdrop for Middle Earth because he created the world to be a Catholic history of ancient Britain, or at least a history in the same vein as the epic sagas like Beowulf. Martin set Game of Thrones in a Middle Ages like world, because he was inspired by the real life war of the roses, which took place in the 15th century. Wonderful job though with your research and presentation Really enjoyed this video and hope you feel better Favorite fairytale costume way too many to name !
This is such an interesting topic and something I've thought about a lot in the past few years as I've been writing my own novel adaptation of H.C. Andersen's The Little Mermaid. I've watched all available screen adaptations and most of them have northwestern european medieval-esque vibes in their costuming, despite the fairytale itself taking place in the mediterranean. Its location was nspired by HCA's travels in Italy in the 1830s. In the fairytale, the prince has dark hair and black eyes, and his kingdom has white beaches and palm trees. I wish more screen adaptations took inspiration from the vibrant mid-1800s italian fashions instead of relying on ren-faire aesthetics. Also I will never forgive Disney for giving the prince light eyes.
Your black kitty next to you during the video was so fitting with your outfit and the topic. My favorite Disney princess were so many snow white sleeping beauty and little mermaid etc. I love them all.
Medieval princesses where usually very educated, especially if they were to be married off to shore up familial relationships within other monarchies or aristocracies. There are stories of many princesses who were highly successful within their respective sphere's of influence due to their wit, charm and intelligence which often could be partially credited with a worldly, educated upbringing. Within royalty, daughters were an important fail safe if the male line expired as they could then be used to ensure the continuation of the royal blood through marriage. Another mention is that the brothers Grimm compiled/wrote their stories during the height of Romanticism where suffering, especially female suffering was very popular. Look at any serious opera from 1820 through to 1850. They're veritable exploitation films.
I don't know if Ever After quite fits the pattern you describe, since the film goes into pretty significant detail explaining how and why she's able to quote Utopia at the drop of a hat. The film shows us that much of her education happened before her father's death, and she later explicitly says that she still reads avidly because books and reading remind her of him. Utopia specifically was a favorite of hers because it was the last book he brought home, which becomes a major plot point later on.
Another fun factoid about the culture of women when Snow White was released-this came out during a time of great economic insecurity and the family wives and daughters had to go out and work to help make ends meet. There were interviews in local papers with families exiting the movie where women said Snow White was indeed a fantasy because it was a luxury to have women stay home and focus on the house and family rather than playing double duty and going out to work.
One of my favorite fairy tales growing up was The Princess and the Pea because it's just such a bizarre story and I think that fascinated me. My favorite fairy tale movie costuming is hands down The Princess Bride, but that's also just my favorite movie of all time, so maybe I'm biased :))
I am LIVING for the cat coming in around the Villainess section! Also so happy to see Mina return to her historical roots! We stan a historical fashion Mina Le video
mina would be such a good history teacher. i swear i'd be invested in almost anything she talks about lol. anyway, as a kid in the early 2000s, ella enchanted had me in a chokehold and i LOVE the costumes
I think some of the best fantasy costumes I've seen were in Jean Cocteau's La Belle et la Bete from 1946. And while not a fairy tale I do love the costumes in Crimson Peak.
My favorite fairytale is Cinderella, very basic, I know, but I love all the different adaptations of it, and Ever After is my favorite historically costumed movie
Great episode, thank you for reminding me to rewatch the "fairytale" film by Francis Ford Coppola, his 1992 Bram Stoker's Dracula. My favorite fairytale costume drama precisely because of the outstanding and richly fantasized costumes by Eiko Ishioka. I love the way they conspire to marry the sensibilities of medieval courtly love (heavy, rich, dark, and dangerous) and the thoroughly modern Gilded Age woman (who thinks she know her own mind, but alas is only under a spell...) wearing grandiose design elements borrowed from Bugatti! Love love love.
I watched Ella enchanted with my roommate once as she was like "what's with these costumes? why does it look like they're from spirit halloween?" looool
The romanticization of the pre-industrial past, specifically for medieval Europe, we have inherited it from the Romantic Period (first half of the 19th c). Some myths of medievalism and renaissance date from this time period. If you look at art and literature for this time period, and music from a bit later, it is not difficult to spot it. For example, the music academic literature of this time period is all over the place, and sometimes a little made up cause studying music history was a fairly new practice, and if they couldn't find how something was meant to be played they would just guess, hence why some music practices are being rediscovered to this day because the later playing traditions don't match the original traditions. The myths are so old that a lot of people assume they are true.
This video just reminded me of just how much I enjoyed "(Neo)Medieval Fantasy" movies, even when they weren't strictly fairy tail/Disney ones. I just found them so fun, and I thought the costumes and fantasy settings such great fun. I'm definitely gonna comb over the movies mentioned here if I haven't seen them yet, re-watch some of the ones I have, and dig out some books with similar vibes. Great video!
Considering the early Disney stories were based on tales from France and Germany, they would be euro-centric. The Middle ages were loaded with war, disease (such as the plague) and famine, the stories from that time period would be a little Grimm. The modern circus clown was an exaggeration of the physical effects of getting the Black plague. Watching that clown was a way of dealing with the pain many saw around them as the plague took it's toll. If the period was romantic, again, a way of dealing with a hard life.
1:52 Important to notice is that we have an huge shift in fairytale reception in the early 19th century when folklore became a popular literary topic in Europe. So they went from being orally told mostly by women of all social classes to written down mostly by higher middle class and first class men who had the education. The Grimms didn’t even give credit to the women in their middle class circle who collected most of the stories for them. So we should not forget that we see the ‘medieval’ ‘folk’ stories presented through an male 19th century viewpoint!
The Snow Queen has always been my FAVORITE fairy tale; I recently started reading Bill Willingham's Fables comics, and I was very excited to see that both Kai and The Snow Queen were included as characters! I personally think The Company of Wolves (1984) has the best (and most batshit) fantasy costuming. Every single costume is an amalgamation of like five different eras, filtered through the dream-state mind of a young girl. I love Angela Carter, and her hand in adapting her radio script for film shines through in almost every aspect of the movie, including the costuming and practical effects. The costumes are beautiful, and do a wonderful job of evoking a surrealist sense of period and setting.
Jim Henson's The Storyteller is probably my favorite fairytale tv show/movie/thing. Especially Sapsorrow and also The Thought Lion (this one has a kind of 1780's look to it, especially the heroine's hedgehog hairstyle).
truly the costuming in "ever after" lowkey ate. great video mina!! i'd love to hear your take on the costuming in "jane eyre" (2011) if you haven't already taken a look
My favourite story/fairytale from when I was little is definetly The Tale of Tsar Saltan, I was obsessed with it. As from Disney movies, I like Tangled the most, not because of the costumes, but because of everything else. I don't have a favourite fairytale movie from costuming though.
My favorite fairy tale has to be Cinderella. Not just the Disney version, or even just the European versions, but also all the different Cinderellas across different cultures. There's so many different versions, and that enough keeps the story fresh for me. My favorite fairy tale movie costuming is split between the 1946 film La Belle at la Bête directed by Jean Cocteau (even in black and white Belle's outfits are superb
The Grimm brothers wrote the fairy tales down and also changed them according to their own belief system and morals. These were I sync with the ones of their time: being Conservative and pious and living in harmony in a "traditional" family, without being too political or in any form radical. Many of the old (Grimm) fairy tales are believed to come from old germanic and northic tales. Originally also being about strong and/or more active female characters of different ages, they were christianized and "sensored" by the Grimms.
In Austria we have lots of local folk tales („(Volks-)Sagen” in German) which sometimes have similar themes to more well known fairy tales and other times are completely different. I would love to see movie versions of some of those, but I don’t trust the costuming here in the Austrian film industry (if you can even call it that) 😅
I love Rumpelstiltskin so much!! I got to play Clara in it a few months ago and it was a dream come true. I would LOVE to see a Disney movie on it, but I feel like that ship has kind of sailed, I mean Disney is makeing almost all original storylines and I don’t know if they would be willing to take that risk anymore :( (also it’s kind of a weird story in general ngl)
Ever after is near and dear to my heart, the costumes are gorgeous! Also, Dracula's costuming was also impecable 😍 Loved to see you cats out and about jajaja
Hey Mina, about The middle ages in tv shows, both Game of Thrones and Lord of Rings are based on The medieval period, even the author of Lord of Rings was a specialist in middle ages
As a character illustrator and fantasy fantastic, I found this video intriguing. I usually put a lot of effort into my historical accuracy for my personal projects, but i find this incredibly valid in how you deep dived into the topic.
11:26 yeah that was because Tolkien founded the modern fantasy genre and he was a a Mediävist professor. And his worldbuilding was modelled after medieval epic (in the original sense of the word) tales. It was his area of expertise.
Mirror Mirror's costuming captured my heart when I first watched it. The Evil Queen's enormous dresses are so fun and when I saw Snow's yellow cloak I literally gasped. The costumes are just extremely detailed and whimisical and colorful. The kirtle Danielle wears in Ever After is also a favorite of mine. It doesn't not make sense that it looks somewhat like a noblewoman's dress - she probably made it from a castoff from her sisters or even one of her mother's old gowns.
A ''neo-medieval'' costume I like is the Mirror Queen from The Brother's Grimm. She has such an over-the-top henin, and a mix of influences that remind me of Eastern European folk costumes (mainly her jewelry) and German portraits from the Renaissance. It's also full of interesting textures that makes it more believable that she was in that tower for 500 years lol Also, Monica Bellucci
Beauty and the Beast was and is still my favorite fairy tale and favorite movie costumes? Hands down the black and white french "Belle et la Bete". All of the dresses were couture and just stunning. Also, I cannot tell you how much joy I felt when you mentioned Dracula and specifically Eiko Ishioka. When you asked what was your favorite FT movie costumes, my mind immediately went to that movie, even though its not technically a FT movie. It is an absolute favorite from my childhood and one of the reasons I have been obsessed with vampires since I was 5 (also shout out to Interview with a Vampire, those two sparked my undying love, pun intended!). You should also check out the costumes she did for the movie The Cell, they were hauntingly beautiful and Vlad's armor from the beginning of the movie gets revamped in it in a really neat way.
One more shout to Eiko Ishioka !!! The Fall (2006) is a visual masterpiece in no small part due to her and it is full of plays on costuming tropes. 1000/10 recommend
Always love how informative these are! Recently been re-watching and reading the hunchback of notre dame/notre dame de Paris! Of course the novel is a Middle Ages downer centered around Christianity and architecture but the movie(s) have a slightly more positive spin on the tale.
Favourite fairy-tale: The Strange Tale of Humpy Horse. It is a Russian fairy tale and far from mainstream. I really liked the costumes in 2015 Cinderella and Stardust; the costumes were obviously fantasy, but their fantastical nature fit the films.
Love this video, it was so well done! I was so excited that you mentioned Stardust, it’s one of my favorite comfort movies but I don’t see it talked about much. And of course, your look here is just stunning!!
I recommend Askepott for some chaotic fairytale costumes. It's a version of Cinderella filmed in Rumania(?) that airs in Norway every Christmas. Also you need the old version, not the new one.
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omg omg omg read marissa meyer !! she made a book reimagining rumpelstitskin :0
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@@zljmbo girl when eggs are the price of dinosaur bones im taking the 65% off some groceries.. one thing about it!!
Every time Mina said that people wore *certain garments* because they were fashionable and not of their evilness I just imagined people from that era being like "hehehee (evil laugh) I'm wearing my evil head piece" 😂😂😂😂
Speaking of fairytales, this reminds me of Rumplestiltskin's "evil wig" from Shrek Forever After... Also, it would be very curious to watch a video on costumes in the Shrek movies from Mina :]
This comment genuinely has me rolling over laughing
I loved the costuming of interview with a vampire
😂
The Grimms collected old European folk tales and transformed them into educational stories for children. A LOT of the stories had evil mothers, which the Grimms decided to switch to evil step mothers, because they felt evil mothers would have been a bit much and that kids would relate more with evil step moms.
true. they changed it to step mothers because the role of a mother at that time also changed. they thought a mother would never do something bad to their own children
it was actually changed by the government
The original stories are really….dark. Im suprised most people dont know the original stories only the disney or kid friendly versions
They collected German folk tales, in particular, in a time when Germany was not exactly a thing. They were a part of the national-romantic movement of the time, a part of the attempt to establish nations and national myths after the crumpling of the empires in Europe.
Almost every European country has the equivalent of the Grimm brothers.
The largest part of what we think of as defining characteristics of European nations was shaped, and often invented, during this period.
@@Noora_Spruce Actually it's a misconception, if you're referring to the grimm brothers (1812), they're just another version of a retelling of a retelling, not the original.
Disney took inspiration from older and happier versions, like Cinderella by Perrault (1697), also not the original.
to me being smart and having a black cat sitting next to you is the definition of power
For real!!!
and dressed like that ....
on traditional ideals of women: the women were not expected to work outside the home, but women did bust their asses in the home, and Snow White, Cinderella especially showcase this. and considering that there is a 100% chance that a woman will labor in her home and like a 0% chance that a man will fight a dragon IRL, i think the passive, traditional princesses deserve respect
Yes! Circa the turn of the millenium there were many t.v. series that out a modern family in a period specific house setting to see how they got on. Women busting their asses was the typical outcome. It always bugs me when people say women didn’t work in the past
You perfectly articulated my thoughts on this! Thank you!
@@kathrynstemler6331 civilization exists because women wanted to live in houses, not caves, and we have been working our asses off to have nice homes ever since
Medevil woman did/ could run their own business..
And women could have different business than husband..
What we can all agree is that Ella Enchanted is an ICONIC movie
That book is one of my all time favorites!!!!!
Bad story adaptation but such a fun film
Anne Hathaway is iconic
that movie had better social commentary than most netflix shows do today LMAO
As a child, I hated it because the book was my favorite and I wanted a real adaptation, but looking back now, I can admit that it's fun and if I was looking at it separate from the book, I would have loved it.
10:50 My biggest pet peeve in “historical” movies are when men are shown with unlaced doublets like they’re jackets, with their undershirt used as a shirt!
The modernization of historical men’s fashion in particular is a symptom of toxic masculinity, where men aren’t shown wearing proper historical attire because it’s too ornamental, or bc they’d have to wear heels, tights, or wigs (Gasp!!) This leads to a lack of appreciation of men’s fashion so it conforms to modern societal views of gender and masculinity.
Oh, this is an excellent point!
Thanks for speaking on it!
OMG YAAAAS!¡! as a hobby sewist, I'm always frustrated at how minimal the style choices are in men's wear. And I look at men's wear in historical fashion and think I wish men can wear frilly and poofy stuff in mainstream fashion today. I make clothes for my family and I want to sew more frilly poofy stuff for my husband but i don't want him to be a spectacle and I know he won't wear them 😆
THANK YOUUUU i think about this all the time and it bothers me that a lot of people only talk about this with women. like esp because you'll have movies where the hero is wearing ahistorical leather pants and whatever but the villain is wearing a period appropriate long robe because they look effeminate today
All this! It just looks like the cover of a dime store romance novel 😂
And solidifies the beliefs of what masculinity is and _"has always been.
Core toxic masculinity.
That's why all the men are wearing black leather in modern movies set in historical times 🙄
the dress? beautiful, the jewellery? stunning, the crown + lip combo? absolutely immaculate
Classifying "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" as a Fairy Tale movie is honestly hilarious in itself.
seeing it compared it to the likes of Ever After was a little horrifying
I've been into otome isekai "historical fantasy" webcomics lately and it's making Disney and Hollywood costuming look like it came out of an encyclopedia 😂
omg!! can you recommend some? i follow both individual genres so i would love to try it as one genre!!
@@citiaii I put historical fantasy there in quotation marks because OI kinda needs an explainer for the uninitiated and it's an easy way to sum it up 😂 I don't know any that properly combine both, mostly because otome isekai's videogame setup and _actually_ historical stuff are kind of at odds by definition hahah.
I can pop off some favorites but I have a LOT so it'll be a minute while I gather them :)) also curious about your rec list if you've got one!
Me toooo and the outfits are not even close to historically accurate but they are pretty in my opinion
@@citiaii There are many and most are romance lmao. Now these recommendations aren't necessarily otome but they are isekai histtoral.
-Father I don't want this marriage!
-Death is the only ending for a villianess
-What happens when the second male lead powers up(this one isn't rlly romance it is more of a slice of life? It isn't far in the story so yea.)
-Live as a Villianess
-I raised a Black Dragon
-The one within the Villianess
I haven't read most of these lmao they are simply just in my reading list.
@@anastasial7687 It works cause it's all fantasy only and thus no historical value. If Hollywood had more fun with old-school fantasies we would get so many pretty outfits!!
Me when I'm ready to be called a beautiful dove: 😇
Me when I get called an evil hag instead: 🧐😈
Recently watched abitfrank’s video on the original Italian Rapunzel, and honestly, I don’t know WHY that version doesn’t get adapted more often. Rapunzel in the Basile version masterminds her own escape and defeats her OWN villain. I think Grimm’s Rapunzel is still more hauntingly beautiful, but if you’d rather have a smart resourceful Princess, check out Petrosinella by Basile.
Probably because most people grew up with Grimm's Rapunzel. I didn't even know an Italian version existed until now.
I don't know anymore if Rapunzel saved herself in this version, but I grew up with the version where the prince was blinded and then being lost in the forest and Rapunzel found him in the end (but I think her stepmother let her go for some reason?) but I've also always thought that is the Grimm version
Fancy seeing you here Al! Always happy to see a little crossover between the Drawfee or just animation channels that I love, and the other parts of TH-cam that I equally enjoy, but I wouldn’t necessarily expect!
Thanks for letting me know about the Italian version of Rapunzel too, I’ll have to check it out!
_insert the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen meme_
As those who are fans of the fairy tale know - the Grimm brothers nicked their versions from much older versions of the same stories from all over the World. I would highly recommend, for those who want to explore further, Idries Shah's 'World Tales' - it is out of print but can be picked up second-hand and is exquisitely illustrated (Algonquin Cinderella anybody?).
8:10 in defense of Danielle, the movie explained that she had a special bond with her father and one of the activities they did together was reading books. „Utopia“ the book from which she quotes within the movie, was her favorite book that she read with her father, so it kinda makes sense that she can quote it. I don’t think that she’s necessarily well educated, rather that from the beginning she is made out to be a curious character who is interested in knowledge. Of course it’s not an accurate reflection of the time-period and more appealing for us modern girls but I think she is a very well made out character, as she is pretty coherent. The movie never tries to make her „not like other girls“. She’s just the way she is and Drew Berrymore did a fantastic job at portraying her.
I also assumed that Ursula was queer coded, but then was so fabulous and likeable. I think the artists responsible for her actually made her as a bit of a love letter to drag queens they were friends with. Which is probably why the coding feels less maligned with her.
Divine was her inspiration.
As the other commenter said, Divine was Ursula's inspiration. If you look at her makeup (specifically the eyebrows), it imitates the style Divine was best known for doing.
Adding to previous comments, Divine was also supposed to voice Ursula but passed away before she could do the role. Feels like modern Disney has actually regressed in some ways with queer representation
I think for fairy tale films the lack of a specific time period is often done on purpose because written and oral fairy tales are detached from time and place, making them timeless. For period dramas accurate costumes and locations add to the story but I think the opposite is true for fairy tales.
I honestly love what they did with Ella Enchanted. It's pure 2000's cheese, and some hella Whimsygothic inspiration.
Respectfully, I think you overlooked an important source of this style, which is the genre of fairy tale and legend (like, Arthurian legend) children's books that became quite popular in the later 19th century. Illustrated by artists such as Crane, Greenaway, HJ Ford, and Caldecott, they were not only popular "on paper" and in painting, etc., but were also quite influential on the performing arts into the early 20th century-including early film. Artists of the Pre-Raphaelites and Arts and Crafts movements loved combining aspects of Medieval and Renaissance fashion to create their own aesthetic of "pastness." (With Greenaway and some others, that extends into the 18th century as well.)
Anyway, I enjoyed the video a lot, thank you! But I think it's important to note that "fairy-tale historical mashup" has a long history and some pretty clear links to that earlier style.
Not me referencing my paperback facsimile of the "Grey Fairy Book" illustrated by H. J. Ford 👀👀 His clothing is a magnificent mishmash.
@@maryeckel9682 Yup! The Lang/Ford fairy books are great at creating a past that feels familiar-ish but not tied to a specific era.
Great point! I feel like this video wasn't as meticulously researched as some of Mina's other videos, but that might be because I know a lot about the subject.
I love pre-Raphelite paintings. So elegant and symbolic~
It’s strange how reserved directors seem to be in going full-on medieval in the costume design for period pieces, and yet I recognize some references to medieval or renaissance attire in like sci-fi movies. That would actually be a cool video essay idea! The influences on sci-fi fashion!
this is such a cool and interesting video !! as for the question at the end, my favorite fairytale growing up was rapunzel. i love that, in the version i read, the witch was like “fine i get it, your pregnant wife has weird cravings, you can steal this plant from my garden this one time, but i swear if u come back here again u owe me ur firstborn” like obviously a bit evil but pretty reasonable compared to most villains! and then the guy COMES BACK ANYWAY, knowing that the consequences of stealing this plant is the loss of his child, and he’s just like “listen the wife just really wants this plant to munch on ok” and that’s how rapunzel ends up in the witch’s tower, named for the plant she was traded away for.
Mirror, Mirror's costuming leaves me in awe every time. Everything is so out there and vibrant and full of details to feast your eyes upon, I love it to bits.
My grandparents had an old Mother Goose book from like the 1910s and my favorite of the fairy tales in that was BLUEBEARD of all the stories! It never even sunk in how absolutely horrific it is until I was explaining what it was to someone who had never heard of it before.
YES.
I didn't have a book, but I used to watch these originally Japanese animated adaptations of fairy tales called Grimm's Classic Fairy Tales and I remember Bluebeard as well. I've stumbled upon it recently and I have to say it's pretty scary for little kids. It's on youtube if anyone wants to watch it!
What is it about? I might know it but not under that name
Yeah, same. I had an obsession with Bluebeard in my teens for some reason and that story is absolutely awful.
@@stone_forest3802 a girl is married off to this mysterious noble who seems like an ok husband who says she can have anything in his castle but cant go into one room. One day he leaves for a trip and gives her a ring if keys with a tiny key to the room she shouldnt go in so she can go wherever she wants but not that room. Naturally she goes in it and finds all the bodies of his former wives. In her horror she drops the keys and no matter how hard she scrubs she cant wash the blood off. So he comes home asks for the keys back sees the blood and declares he gas to kill her. In my version shes saved by hiding in the tallest tower of the castle until her sister and brother arrive and kill him.
I think that you can tell a story through costuming and it's the attention to detail that we often don't notice. When the Star Wars costumes were on tour a number of years ago, there was so much information for the styles and techniques used to create those garments that took from cultures all over the world. Costuming is something that is often taken for granted, but we appreciate it and think it's wonderful that they care enough to cater to us.
Auroras outfit is so cute. She’s also super pretty in general
I love her dresses and imo she's the prettiest Disney princess.
her peasant dress was inspired by audrey hepburn in roman holiday
On the subject of Danielle, it was established early on that her and her father read together. Also that the Stepmother sold the collection piece by piece. With her being able to sneak away for afternoon swims, I could see her stealing books and replacing them as she finished. Plus with her friend being able to afford paint supplies, he had some form of money. I could see him helping her out.
Exactly, she quotes utopia because it was the last book her father read her
My favourite fairy tale as a child was Peau D'ane and East of the Sun and West of the Moon. They are very rarely talked about but my storybook of classics was full of colourful and fantastical tales that put the mainstream classics to shame. Unrelated but I would love to see you make a video about the outfits in the Peau D'ane movie as they are stunning!
i love east of the sun west of the moon!!!!!!
i am obsessed with the costuming and set design of peau d’âne. the sun dress was so sparkly and glitter and the projection effect on the sky dress is so creative
The Grimm equivalent of the former, "Allerleirauh", is 90 kinds of messed up.
Peau d'Âne (Donkeyskin) has the best costume design of any fairytale film hands down.
The costumes were so beautiful!
Absolutely loved that movie as a child, I wanted one of those princess-y shimmery dresses so so bad! And Catherine Deneuve's hairstyles were gorgeous too!
Yo you just reminded me that I read this story in a book in like, elementary school and it was one of my favorite stories. I'll have to read it again. Thank you!
Yes ! I was about to write a comment to say that
AHHH the new set up feels so fairytale-like! And the outfit 💗 It’s perfect for this video
In Snow White and Aurora's defense, the latter was 16 and the former *14* . In fact several other princesses were teens weren't they?
Most of them weren’t even 20….at least in their first films if they had multiple.
Yeah, but remember that people in the past tend to marry early and didn't live long. War, famine, dirty water, childbirth, pandemic, common cold, even a scratch could kill you.
@@themask6301 Disney released a book with all the princesses ages in them.
@@queenmoreau2098 what's the name of the book and what kind of a book is it? If it's a Disney Princess picture book, then that's not a legitimate source for canonical information. Ya'll "need to move away from treating these works and characters primarily as franchises owned by the corporations currently milking their legacy for a profit, and start remembering that these films were, first and foremost, works of art created by artists." - M G (commenter) under "how old are the characters in snow white?" by ModernGurlz.
@@themask6301his name is fernidad. Walt Disney called him that during his Oscar nomination. But he’s def not 30
10:32 just a note that my mom told me as a teen that my great-grandmother refused to give up her corsets for the newer more modern "support garments" (and eventually bras) as they did not provide support for her zaftig frame / aching back and her giant "bazoombas" (my mom's words) -- apparently she would have been at least an e cup). She certainly didn't see her corset as a form of torture!
I think Cinderella is actually my favorite fairy tale. I like that most of the characters are women and I love the story of someone finding hope and remaining kind even when others are incredibly cruel to her. And in the end she gets a happy life and her terrible family gets what they deserve for being awful the whole story. Good stuff, 10/10 fairytale
Thank you for referencing the dance number seen at the end of fantasy films as it references the cast dance/finale seen at the end of shakespearean plays. Another great video, our adaptations of myths, legends and folklore play a huge part in our misunderstanding of period costume, Vikings for example being portrayed as fur clad horned helmeted barbarians.
if you're looking for more of eiko ishioka's work, i highly recommend my favorite movie the fall (2007), which is about a guy in a hospital telling a fairytale to a little girl, and the narrative is perceived through her mind and how she takes charge of the story. it's so beautiful and sad and i love it to pieces
I love this movie!! It's a surreal gem, but it's so hard to find :(
@@paintedlady004 Yes!! I lost the disc (which in itself was a copy) years ago and I've never been able to find a site it streams from, even illegally. Its such a beautiful film!
The costuming in Mirror Mirror is such a blast. Eiko Ishioka had such a keen eye for textiles and the most effective and inventive ways to use them. She went out with an incredibly fun project. rip❤❤
My favorite fairytale is probably the 12 Dancing Princesses. The most historically accurate fairytale movie I ever saw is Beautician and the Beast! I remember denim jeans and a silk, green top on the dictator’s daughter at one point. So 90s 😂
I love the beautician and the beast!!! I didn’t know anyone else saw that movie!
One of my favourite fairytales as a child was a slavic (serbian) one. I‘m actually near from where the fairytale is set. It centers around a fairy named „Vila Ravijojla“ (Vila meaning fairy in serbian) living on a mountain, she was famous for her beautiful singing voice. I don‘t remember all the details but the main point is that she helped the serbian king Marko Kraljević and so she became a well-known mystical creature in serbian folklore. Many people traveling that specific mountain swear that they can still hear her sing to this day!
I started loving that story after my mother had told me about how she used to play on that mountain whilst her parents were guarding the flock of sheep. She started hearing a woman singing so she followed the voice (which seemed to come from the forest nearby) but my grandparents stopped her before she could have gone any further!
i just want to mention that i appreciate that you put effort into correctly pronouncing foreign words, and that you don't add a little "i probably butchered that ;P" at the end as so many others do. it's a small thing but it shows a level of respect to non-anglophone cultures that i see from far too few youtubers.
It's so annoying. If you're not gonna even bother trying, why are you apologizing. Either take the time to pronounce it properly(or close to it) or just move on without mentioning it. The phrase was never funny and it stops being mildly amusing long before the 100th time you hear it. Most people aren't that bothered by bad pronunciation anyways.
love the video but u couldve touched on how the ROMANTICISM era was the first to glorify and romanticise the medieval ages( being a time period of no technology furthermore the beliefs of dragons, hags, potion making, etc). Thus romanticism also embraces imagination and youth, which are pretty much the keywords for a fairtytale. This idea that the medieval times had to do with romantic youthful fairytales and love stories goes on to influence the next centuries. Romanticism was basically the pioneer for medieval inspired fairytales.
I love how Mina analyzes all these topic that I never looked at so deeply. It's really astounding and she deserves every follower she has
The costumes from 2014's Le Belle et la Bete with Vincent Cassel and Léa Seydoux were absolute eye candy. Every single gown that they put Léa in was top tier. Pierre-Yves Gayraud really designs gorgeous stuff. I also enjoyed his work in Perfume: The Story of a Murderer. As for favorite fairytale? I can't even tell you how many retellings I've read of Sleeping Beauty.
OMG MINA the setup is killerrr
Tolkien used the middle ages as a backdrop for Middle Earth because he created the world to be a Catholic history of ancient Britain, or at least a history in the same vein as the epic sagas like Beowulf.
Martin set Game of Thrones in a Middle Ages like world, because he was inspired by the real life war of the roses, which took place in the 15th century.
Wonderful job though with your research and presentation
Really enjoyed this video and hope you feel better
Favorite fairytale costume way too many to name !
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This is such an interesting topic and something I've thought about a lot in the past few years as I've been writing my own novel adaptation of H.C. Andersen's The Little Mermaid. I've watched all available screen adaptations and most of them have northwestern european medieval-esque vibes in their costuming, despite the fairytale itself taking place in the mediterranean. Its location was nspired by HCA's travels in Italy in the 1830s. In the fairytale, the prince has dark hair and black eyes, and his kingdom has white beaches and palm trees. I wish more screen adaptations took inspiration from the vibrant mid-1800s italian fashions instead of relying on ren-faire aesthetics. Also I will never forgive Disney for giving the prince light eyes.
Your black kitty next to you during the video was so fitting with your outfit and the topic. My favorite Disney princess were so many snow white sleeping beauty and little mermaid etc. I love them all.
Bram Stoker’s Dracula costume is GORGEOUS! I would love for you to talk about it
Medieval princesses where usually very educated, especially if they were to be married off to shore up familial relationships within other monarchies or aristocracies. There are stories of many princesses who were highly successful within their respective sphere's of influence due to their wit, charm and intelligence which often could be partially credited with a worldly, educated upbringing. Within royalty, daughters were an important fail safe if the male line expired as they could then be used to ensure the continuation of the royal blood through marriage.
Another mention is that the brothers Grimm compiled/wrote their stories during the height of Romanticism where suffering, especially female suffering was very popular. Look at any serious opera from 1820 through to 1850. They're veritable exploitation films.
I don't know if Ever After quite fits the pattern you describe, since the film goes into pretty significant detail explaining how and why she's able to quote Utopia at the drop of a hat. The film shows us that much of her education happened before her father's death, and she later explicitly says that she still reads avidly because books and reading remind her of him. Utopia specifically was a favorite of hers because it was the last book he brought home, which becomes a major plot point later on.
Mina looks absolutely gorgeous in that look, but let's be for real, the black kitty is the star of the show, he is so adorable!!🐈⬛🍷♥️
Another fun factoid about the culture of women when Snow White was released-this came out during a time of great economic insecurity and the family wives and daughters had to go out and work to help make ends meet.
There were interviews in local papers with families exiting the movie where women said Snow White was indeed a fantasy because it was a luxury to have women stay home and focus on the house and family rather than playing double duty and going out to work.
One of my favorite fairy tales growing up was The Princess and the Pea because it's just such a bizarre story and I think that fascinated me. My favorite fairy tale movie costuming is hands down The Princess Bride, but that's also just my favorite movie of all time, so maybe I'm biased :))
I am LIVING for the cat coming in around the Villainess section! Also so happy to see Mina return to her historical roots! We stan a historical fashion Mina Le video
mina would be such a good history teacher. i swear i'd be invested in almost anything she talks about lol. anyway, as a kid in the early 2000s, ella enchanted had me in a chokehold and i LOVE the costumes
I think some of the best fantasy costumes I've seen were in Jean Cocteau's La Belle et la Bete from 1946. And while not a fairy tale I do love the costumes in Crimson Peak.
The background and outfit combo is out of this world !!!
YES! Eiko Ishioka's costuming is unmatched, I've always loved her work
Masking up for fashion week seems like it’d be well worth it!
Yes! Don a couture face covering that includes medical -grade filtration. Make it part of the look.
"Baby wake up, Mina just dropped a new video"
My favorite fairytale is Cinderella, very basic, I know, but I love all the different adaptations of it, and Ever After is my favorite historically costumed movie
Great episode, thank you for reminding me to rewatch the "fairytale" film by Francis Ford Coppola, his 1992 Bram Stoker's Dracula. My favorite fairytale costume drama precisely because of the outstanding and richly fantasized costumes by Eiko Ishioka. I love the way they conspire to marry the sensibilities of medieval courtly love (heavy, rich, dark, and dangerous) and the thoroughly modern Gilded Age woman (who thinks she know her own mind, but alas is only under a spell...) wearing grandiose design elements borrowed from Bugatti! Love love love.
I'm about to bake a cake and was just thinking, "I really could use a new Mina video to listen to while baking" and then this dropped! Perfect timing!
I watched Ella enchanted with my roommate once as she was like "what's with these costumes? why does it look like they're from spirit halloween?" looool
The romanticization of the pre-industrial past, specifically for medieval Europe, we have inherited it from the Romantic Period (first half of the 19th c). Some myths of medievalism and renaissance date from this time period. If you look at art and literature for this time period, and music from a bit later, it is not difficult to spot it. For example, the music academic literature of this time period is all over the place, and sometimes a little made up cause studying music history was a fairly new practice, and if they couldn't find how something was meant to be played they would just guess, hence why some music practices are being rediscovered to this day because the later playing traditions don't match the original traditions. The myths are so old that a lot of people assume they are true.
I also love Rumplestiltskin! My favorite costuming in a fairytale is from the French 2014 Beauty and the Beast!
i wish it was socially accepted to wear these all the time🔥
I'm at the point where I think we should just go ahead and make it acceptable ourselves. The amount of people interested in this shows it's possible!
@@estherhinds6314 well said!! i’m going to start saying this when i wake up in the morning😎
Don’t be a coward, do it anyway!!
I wish it was cheap and not incredibly warm
This video just reminded me of just how much I enjoyed "(Neo)Medieval Fantasy" movies, even when they weren't strictly fairy tail/Disney ones. I just found them so fun, and I thought the costumes and fantasy settings such great fun. I'm definitely gonna comb over the movies mentioned here if I haven't seen them yet, re-watch some of the ones I have, and dig out some books with similar vibes. Great video!
Considering the early Disney stories were based on tales from France and Germany, they would
be euro-centric.
The Middle ages were loaded with war, disease (such as the plague) and famine, the stories
from that time period would be a little Grimm. The modern circus clown was an exaggeration of
the physical effects of getting the Black plague. Watching that clown was a way of dealing with
the pain many saw around them as the plague took it's toll.
If the period was romantic, again, a way of dealing with a hard life.
this might not count as a fairytale, but I'd still love to hear your thoughts on Phantom of the Opera's costuming!!!
Phantom of the opera was a pulp novel first and foremost, albeit a tasteful French one.
1:52 Important to notice is that we have an huge shift in fairytale reception in the early 19th century when folklore became a popular literary topic in Europe. So they went from being orally told mostly by women of all social classes to written down mostly by higher middle class and first class men who had the education. The Grimms didn’t even give credit to the women in their middle class circle who collected most of the stories for them.
So we should not forget that we see the ‘medieval’ ‘folk’ stories presented through an male 19th century viewpoint!
the fashionable villain is also present in the mahou shoujo genre! sailor moon villains are always in stylish, flashy outfits
LOVING THE EDITING!!!
The Snow Queen has always been my FAVORITE fairy tale; I recently started reading Bill Willingham's Fables comics, and I was very excited to see that both Kai and The Snow Queen were included as characters!
I personally think The Company of Wolves (1984) has the best (and most batshit) fantasy costuming. Every single costume is an amalgamation of like five different eras, filtered through the dream-state mind of a young girl. I love Angela Carter, and her hand in adapting her radio script for film shines through in almost every aspect of the movie, including the costuming and practical effects. The costumes are beautiful, and do a wonderful job of evoking a surrealist sense of period and setting.
Jim Henson's The Storyteller is probably my favorite fairytale tv show/movie/thing. Especially Sapsorrow and also The Thought Lion (this one has a kind of 1780's look to it, especially the heroine's hedgehog hairstyle).
truly the costuming in "ever after" lowkey ate. great video mina!! i'd love to hear your take on the costuming in "jane eyre" (2011) if you haven't already taken a look
My favourite story/fairytale from when I was little is definetly The Tale of Tsar Saltan, I was obsessed with it. As from Disney movies, I like Tangled the most, not because of the costumes, but because of everything else. I don't have a favourite fairytale movie from costuming though.
My favorite fairy tale has to be Cinderella. Not just the Disney version, or even just the European versions, but also all the different Cinderellas across different cultures. There's so many different versions, and that enough keeps the story fresh for me.
My favorite fairy tale movie costuming is split between the 1946 film La Belle at la Bête directed by Jean Cocteau (even in black and white Belle's outfits are superb
The Grimm brothers wrote the fairy tales down and also changed them according to their own belief system and morals. These were I sync with the ones of their time: being Conservative and pious and living in harmony in a "traditional" family, without being too political or in any form radical. Many of the old (Grimm) fairy tales are believed to come from old germanic and northic tales. Originally also being about strong and/or more active female characters of different ages, they were christianized and "sensored" by the Grimms.
Many of the Soviet fairytale cartoons were weirdly historically accurate. My favourites are Cinderella and The Wild Swans.
In Austria we have lots of local folk tales („(Volks-)Sagen” in German) which sometimes have similar themes to more well known fairy tales and other times are completely different. I would love to see movie versions of some of those, but I don’t trust the costuming here in the Austrian film industry (if you can even call it that) 😅
I'd love to see an apocalypse film where the huge fish in the Ostrong (NÖ) is released because of the depravity and low morals in the Ysper Valley...
I love Rumpelstiltskin so much!! I got to play Clara in it a few months ago and it was a dream come true. I would LOVE to see a Disney movie on it, but I feel like that ship has kind of sailed, I mean Disney is makeing almost all original storylines and I don’t know if they would be willing to take that risk anymore :( (also it’s kind of a weird story in general ngl)
Ever after is near and dear to my heart, the costumes are gorgeous! Also, Dracula's costuming was also impecable 😍
Loved to see you cats out and about jajaja
Hey Mina, about The middle ages in tv shows, both Game of Thrones and Lord of Rings are based on The medieval period, even the author of Lord of Rings was a specialist in middle ages
i LOVE mirror mirror, especially the costuming, it always makes me feel fancy
Your videos are so well researched! I always look forward to them 😊
'evil hags' caught me off guard but why lie it's time for that era
As a character illustrator and fantasy fantastic, I found this video intriguing. I usually put a lot of effort into my historical accuracy for my personal projects, but i find this incredibly valid in how you deep dived into the topic.
11:26 yeah that was because Tolkien founded the modern fantasy genre and he was a a Mediävist professor. And his worldbuilding was modelled after medieval epic (in the original sense of the word) tales. It was his area of expertise.
Mirror Mirror's costuming captured my heart when I first watched it. The Evil Queen's enormous dresses are so fun and when I saw Snow's yellow cloak I literally gasped. The costumes are just extremely detailed and whimisical and colorful. The kirtle Danielle wears in Ever After is also a favorite of mine. It doesn't not make sense that it looks somewhat like a noblewoman's dress - she probably made it from a castoff from her sisters or even one of her mother's old gowns.
I love Sleeping Beauty (1959) only in her blue dress
A ''neo-medieval'' costume I like is the Mirror Queen from The Brother's Grimm. She has such an over-the-top henin, and a mix of influences that remind me of Eastern European folk costumes (mainly her jewelry) and German portraits from the Renaissance. It's also full of interesting textures that makes it more believable that she was in that tower for 500 years lol Also, Monica Bellucci
Beauty and the Beast was and is still my favorite fairy tale and favorite movie costumes? Hands down the black and white french "Belle et la Bete". All of the dresses were couture and just stunning. Also, I cannot tell you how much joy I felt when you mentioned Dracula and specifically Eiko Ishioka. When you asked what was your favorite FT movie costumes, my mind immediately went to that movie, even though its not technically a FT movie. It is an absolute favorite from my childhood and one of the reasons I have been obsessed with vampires since I was 5 (also shout out to Interview with a Vampire, those two sparked my undying love, pun intended!). You should also check out the costumes she did for the movie The Cell, they were hauntingly beautiful and Vlad's armor from the beginning of the movie gets revamped in it in a really neat way.
mina your look in this video is IMMACULATE
One more shout to Eiko Ishioka !!! The Fall (2006) is a visual masterpiece in no small part due to her and it is full of plays on costuming tropes. 1000/10 recommend
loved how you were going back to your roots, I've been watching your videos since the very start and this one is definitely one of my favorites! :)
Always love how informative these are! Recently been re-watching and reading the hunchback of notre dame/notre dame de Paris! Of course the novel is a Middle Ages downer centered around Christianity and architecture but the movie(s) have a slightly more positive spin on the tale.
The thumbnail alone has me on my knees and bowing down to the queen that you are 😂🫶🏽✨
Favourite fairy-tale: The Strange Tale of Humpy Horse. It is a Russian fairy tale and far from mainstream.
I really liked the costumes in 2015 Cinderella and Stardust; the costumes were obviously fantasy, but their fantastical nature fit the films.
Rapunzel has always been my favorite fairytale, even way before Tangled came out!
Love this video, it was so well done! I was so excited that you mentioned Stardust, it’s one of my favorite comfort movies but I don’t see it talked about much. And of course, your look here is just stunning!!
I recommend Askepott for some chaotic fairytale costumes. It's a version of Cinderella filmed in Rumania(?) that airs in Norway every Christmas. Also you need the old version, not the new one.
off topic but this outfit is so 2013 lorde pure heroine era im livinggggg
all your videos are 10/10, but this type of videos are ✨SUPREME✨