Excellent video. I want to see how your builds progress, so I subbed. I don't use a heavier arrow for whitetails... Mine here in the SE are tiny.. BUT, I have a legit chance at a bear or a hog every time I go out and I definitely want 2 holes in either of those two! I LOL at all the talk about and bragging about KE... You nailed it.. MOMENTUM is what gets you penetration! If you want to have fun, just say "KE doesn't mean jack!" and watch the comments HAHAHAHA I have watched videos here of guys using xbows and NOT getting a pass through at 20 yards! You just know they are using a stock arrow and putting a 100 grain wide cut expandable on it. One thing I noticed immediately with a heavier arrow is just how hard they hit the target. You can hear it.
@pensnut08 thank you for the sub. It really means a lot. So thank you. Monday I have the next video dropping. Please review the rest of the videos I have posted. Each of them on this Playlist is important to understand the previous and next steps. I don't want to create conflict with people. For too long the industry has misled people into speed being the biggest factor in hunting. If that's so, how do people kill animals with trad equipment? I'm not mad at anyone who believes in speed. At the end of the day, i believe people need to shoot what gives them confidence. I've wounded animals that i didn't recover. Hunt long enough with a sharp stick and it's going to happen. At some point i believe everyone asks themselves how to be more successful. This Playlist is for those people, and will increase your efficiency. My process for building these arrows are common in the trad world. I'm not doing anything sickish or unique. It's actually been around for decades. Many compound target shooters do this same process to get the most forgiving spine in their arrow. I've actually met Doc Ashby, Rob Nielson (current president of the Ashby Bowhunting Foundation) and Troy Fowler aka the Ranch Fairy. They've got a lot to teach anyone open minded. Once again, thank you. Happy hunting!
Ashby’s stuff was for african game with stick bows. Has absolutely zero application in the United States with compound bows. 400 grains is just as efficient and actually even more efficient than a 650 grain arrow
@tonyviers-de9qi I appreciate the comment. However all bows were tested. This includes compound bows. Feel free to visit Www.ashbybowhunting.org if you don't believe me. Additionally, I would like to bring up a question... assuming he did only use traditional bows, how is it that a trad bow sitting a 900gn arrow could get a passthrough on large African game, but you see videos all over TH-cam of people shooting a 400gn arrow from a modern compound and only getting half an arrows worth of penetration? Is it the fault of the bow? Or the arrow? Th is is why I started this channel. So many people are understandably misinformed about the Natal Study in general. It's an industry thing... marketing etc. Thanks for watching
@@PersonalBestOutdoors putting out the heavy arrow info is the worst thing you can do if you want to teach ethical hunting. More misses . More wounded animals . Can it be done ? Sure. Is it necessary? Not even close. Its a “fad” thing . In my opinion for people who are confused about hunting and killing animals cleanly and ethically. It has nothing to do with the weight of your arrow ( to an extent) its about well tuned bow and arrows and sharp broadheads . That is all. Oh wait shot placement and timing. ALL of which … the heavy arrow guys think they can get around. Just stop it!!
@tonyviers-de9qi I agree with everything you've said. You should check out the test of my content. Bow tuning, it's there. Shoot placement is critical. On that we agree. I fail to understand from your logic how a heavy arrow equals a miss, though. It's it an "fps" thing? If so, how have traditional archery users ever killed anything, then? All of those bows are substantially slower than any modern compound setup these days. Ethics? Now that's a subject we can get into. Riddle me this... why are there restrictions on minimum caliber usage for hunting in the states, but none (aside from draw weight) for bow hunting? If anything, a heavier, always deployed broadhead is more ethical. Sure to reduced range, it requires the user to get closer. Aka a more ethical shot. Have you done the math on flight time of arrows? I have. A 400gn arrow moving 300 fps (chronograph at the bow... that same arrow is only moving 278fps at 60 yards) takes .6 seconds to reach the target ASSUMING it is still moving 300 fps at 60 yards. Which it isn't. (180 feet divided by 300 fps) whereas a 656gn arrow moving at 235fps (at the bow) is still moving 226fps at 60. This is basic physics we will discuss in a later video. Anyway, that arrow takes .76 seconds to reach the target at 60 yards. We are talking about 16 one- thousands of a second slower. That's about as long as it takes a person to blink... there's your fun fact of the day. That's before even getting into momentum. Going back to physics... an object in motion, tends to stay in motion. A 650gn arrow at 235fps has 67.7 slugs of momentum. A 400gn arrow at has 53.2 Slugs. Momentum calculated as mass X velocity, then divided by 225,400 for slugs. Slugs represented as slug ft/sec. Momentum is the energy potential to continue THROUGH an intended target. In this case, meat. Every bow hunter in the world will agree 2 holes are better than 1. Therefor, how is 1 light arrow with less slugs more ethical than a heavier one producing 2 holes? I get it. Shot placement. I've pulled a bow since 16. I'm 36 now. I got that. You can't kill them if you don't hit the vitals. I agree. But what about that shot a bit too far forward? You minimize this risks by shooting within your effective range. I agree there. Be ethical. Is 650gn overkill for a white tail? Absolutely. But if I can get out to fly perfectly (featured in one of my videos) and am ethical about is usage... which I am. I find it comforting to know I have an arrow capable of breaching heavy bone and puting that animal down instead of wounding it. That's what this series is about. So where is this unethical? Once again, thanks for your comment. Discussions like these can be productive. They also really help the channel out. It also gives me ideas about how to do this project more justice and explain things better next time. So thank you.
Actually if anything it's the light Arrow that's going to make more unethical archers because everybody is going to these tac shoots thinking they can shoot out to 120 140 yards on a moving animal. Whereas people that use the heavy arrow actually learn some hunting skills and get close to the animal. @tonyviers-de9qi
Excellent video. I want to see how your builds progress, so I subbed. I don't use a heavier arrow for whitetails... Mine here in the SE are tiny.. BUT, I have a legit chance at a bear or a hog every time I go out and I definitely want 2 holes in either of those two!
I LOL at all the talk about and bragging about KE... You nailed it.. MOMENTUM is what gets you penetration! If you want to have fun, just say "KE doesn't mean jack!" and watch the comments HAHAHAHA
I have watched videos here of guys using xbows and NOT getting a pass through at 20 yards! You just know they are using a stock arrow and putting a 100 grain wide cut expandable on it.
One thing I noticed immediately with a heavier arrow is just how hard they hit the target. You can hear it.
@pensnut08 thank you for the sub. It really means a lot. So thank you.
Monday I have the next video dropping. Please review the rest of the videos I have posted. Each of them on this Playlist is important to understand the previous and next steps.
I don't want to create conflict with people. For too long the industry has misled people into speed being the biggest factor in hunting. If that's so, how do people kill animals with trad equipment? I'm not mad at anyone who believes in speed. At the end of the day, i believe people need to shoot what gives them confidence. I've wounded animals that i didn't recover. Hunt long enough with a sharp stick and it's going to happen. At some point i believe everyone asks themselves how to be more successful. This Playlist is for those people, and will increase your efficiency. My process for building these arrows are common in the trad world. I'm not doing anything sickish or unique. It's actually been around for decades. Many compound target shooters do this same process to get the most forgiving spine in their arrow.
I've actually met Doc Ashby, Rob Nielson (current president of the Ashby Bowhunting Foundation) and Troy Fowler aka the Ranch Fairy. They've got a lot to teach anyone open minded.
Once again, thank you.
Happy hunting!
Ashby’s stuff was for african game with stick bows. Has absolutely zero application in the United States with compound bows. 400 grains is just as efficient and actually even more efficient than a 650 grain arrow
@tonyviers-de9qi I appreciate the comment. However all bows were tested. This includes compound bows. Feel free to visit Www.ashbybowhunting.org if you don't believe me.
Additionally, I would like to bring up a question... assuming he did only use traditional bows, how is it that a trad bow sitting a 900gn arrow could get a passthrough on large African game, but you see videos all over TH-cam of people shooting a 400gn arrow from a modern compound and only getting half an arrows worth of penetration? Is it the fault of the bow? Or the arrow?
Th is is why I started this channel. So many people are understandably misinformed about the Natal Study in general. It's an industry thing... marketing etc.
Thanks for watching
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@@PersonalBestOutdoors putting out the heavy arrow info is the worst thing you can do if you want to teach ethical hunting. More misses . More wounded animals . Can it be done ? Sure. Is it necessary? Not even close. Its a “fad” thing . In my opinion for people who are confused about hunting and killing animals cleanly and ethically. It has nothing to do with the weight of your arrow ( to an extent) its about well tuned bow and arrows and sharp broadheads . That is all. Oh wait shot placement and timing. ALL of which … the heavy arrow guys think they can get around. Just stop it!!
@tonyviers-de9qi I agree with everything you've said. You should check out the test of my content. Bow tuning, it's there. Shoot placement is critical. On that we agree. I fail to understand from your logic how a heavy arrow equals a miss, though. It's it an "fps" thing? If so, how have traditional archery users ever killed anything, then? All of those bows are substantially slower than any modern compound setup these days.
Ethics? Now that's a subject we can get into. Riddle me this... why are there restrictions on minimum caliber usage for hunting in the states, but none (aside from draw weight) for bow hunting? If anything, a heavier, always deployed broadhead is more ethical. Sure to reduced range, it requires the user to get closer. Aka a more ethical shot. Have you done the math on flight time of arrows? I have. A 400gn arrow moving 300 fps (chronograph at the bow... that same arrow is only moving 278fps at 60 yards) takes .6 seconds to reach the target ASSUMING it is still moving 300 fps at 60 yards. Which it isn't.
(180 feet divided by 300 fps) whereas a 656gn arrow moving at 235fps (at the bow) is still moving 226fps at 60. This is basic physics we will discuss in a later video. Anyway, that arrow takes .76 seconds to reach the target at 60 yards. We are talking about 16 one- thousands of a second slower. That's about as long as it takes a person to blink... there's your fun fact of the day.
That's before even getting into momentum. Going back to physics... an object in motion, tends to stay in motion. A 650gn arrow at 235fps has 67.7 slugs of momentum. A 400gn arrow at has 53.2 Slugs.
Momentum calculated as mass X velocity, then divided by 225,400 for slugs. Slugs represented as slug ft/sec. Momentum is the energy potential to continue THROUGH an intended target. In this case, meat. Every bow hunter in the world will agree 2 holes are better than 1. Therefor, how is 1 light arrow with less slugs more ethical than a heavier one producing 2 holes?
I get it. Shot placement. I've pulled a bow since 16. I'm 36 now. I got that. You can't kill them if you don't hit the vitals. I agree. But what about that shot a bit too far forward? You minimize this risks by shooting within your effective range. I agree there. Be ethical. Is 650gn overkill for a white tail? Absolutely. But if I can get out to fly perfectly (featured in one of my videos) and am ethical about is usage... which I am. I find it comforting to know I have an arrow capable of breaching heavy bone and puting that animal down instead of wounding it. That's what this series is about. So where is this unethical?
Once again, thanks for your comment. Discussions like these can be productive. They also really help the channel out. It also gives me ideas about how to do this project more justice and explain things better next time. So thank you.
Actually if anything it's the light Arrow that's going to make more unethical archers because everybody is going to these tac shoots thinking they can shoot out to 120 140 yards on a moving animal. Whereas people that use the heavy arrow actually learn some hunting skills and get close to the animal. @tonyviers-de9qi