I realize there are slight differences, but the budget upgrades to this are SO much better than those suggested by the Command Zone to the precon. Also loved the Sun-flavored. Also like to second molten echoes, and add Doors of Durin as yet another way to cheat big dinos out, and can help set up your discovers (a little)
To be fair this is the average deck for pantlaza after precon upgrades. The command zone is giving suggestions for swapping to upgrade the standard precon
@canadianbigfeet5428 that's why I specified the budget upgrades, and acknowledged that the situation was slightly different. Doesn't change the fact that the suggested upgrades are generally stronger.
A card i didn‘t see so far in any Pantlaza upgrade but is sooo good is Cream of the Crop. It‘s an older card from Morningtide which basicly let‘s you scry X whenever a creatue ETBs on your board based on the creatures power. With Pantlaza this card is insane!
I look forward to these videos honestly more than any other mtg content, they help me with the thought process of bettering average decklist/ deck building in general
Another disadvantage of urza's incubator is that the discount also applies to your opponents' creatures that have the chosen type, I remember playing against two dragon decks and one player played the incubator, the next turn the other dragon deck managed to put about 15 creatures on the field , too much power for a Miirym deck...
Great video, I really love Pantlaza. The precon was well built. I really think temple of the false god is great if you're running plenty of ramp spells like explore and kodama's reach. you'll have five lands. just make sure to keep a hand with a ramp spell if you have temple in opening hand as only one of two lands :) shoutout to Gigantosaurus, GGGGG 10/10 awesome vid joey.
I played my first game with an upgraded Pantlaza precon last night, and it went very well (I did win). I am really loving the new mana rock, Progenitor's Icon, as it helps to gain more value for builds that aren't running the flicker cards. Looking forward to getting more of the new dinosaurs for this deck in the future.
Been playing this list for a couple of months now and just wow this deck is strong! I actually got a t6 kill with it earlier this evening in a 3 player game thanks to some lucky discovers. Thank you for one of the most fun lists I've played in years but definitely have to bench it in most pods and at most play it once per game night. Looking forward to the next installment in the upping the average series 😀
Highly suggest your protection package include Eerie Interlude and Legion’s Initiative. Protects your whole board from everything and trigger your commander again.
Definitely gonna give Sun Flavored Pants Lazer a try. Gishath was my first commander deck ever and I've been looking for an excuse to build dinosaurs again and this is the perfect opportunity
I would want to add my favorite enchantments and artifacts sunbirds invocation Lurking predators Cream of the crop Cryptic gateway Molten echos Greater good
Since this video, Pantlaza climbed from rank 362 all the way to 71, incredibly powerful commander that will only get stronger. The discover based on toughness, synergy with sneak and blink effects, discover allowing you to put the card in hand, consistency is the name of the game.
Great video. Helps a lot with upgrade precon. Second budget list great. Raptors and Act was my first idea for upgrade, my creatures Die but my opponnets to😉🆒👍
i still haven’t been able to find the precon below $88 (i should’ve bought it when it was $65) but i pulled many MANY good dino’s in the box i got so i just ended up making my own pantlaza deck out of the cards i got and some bulk cards along with a couple cheaper singles it runs pretty well definitely needs improvements but gotta love the help i got from EDHrec :)
By the way - Emiel the blessed is absolutely busted in this deck. I’ve been blinking Pantlaza at least once on each other players turn! 3 mana for a 4 drop off the top is so good!
I'm playing this deck, I'm missing some cards but it's very entertaining, they've cleaned my table several times haha I'm the terror of ramping , I added a miraris to raise the spam curve
I bought the PreCon, made Gishath the Commander and have some nice power double effects in place that make this deck so much fun. Plays very different to Pantlaza though.
I would very much love an Upping the Average on Alela, Cunning Conqueror ! I feel like her average list is abysmally underpowered, focusing too much on FaerieTribal and not at all what the commander screams could be her shell: Draw-Go
I really like your deck! But I would swap „touch the spirit realm“ with „teleportation circle“. When i see correct, then its a perfect combo with sneak attack, so you can cheat a creaturecard for 1 mana out, flicker it and now its a permanent without the sacrifice disadvantage. And teleportation circle gives you one more time the discovery effect for your turn.
So when I bought this precon and made my adjustments I had a Lurking predators just laying around and thought " hmph this will be a good fit" boy let me tell you that card puts in work in this deck I dumped about 30 power worth of creatures on just one go around, it stuck around for about 3 turns and only thing that could stop me at that point was a board wipe
Analyze the Pollen from MKM is a great budget 1-mana tutor that can double as a land fetcher. Works great in my dino deck since it's easy to collect evidence 8 after a few tuns of board wipes. Savage Order is another good option. Also why aren't more ppl putting Quintorious Kand to capitalize on discover and punish everyone else anytime an Etali or discover casts from exile? Curator of Sun's Creation discovers again every time, duplicating that further; Poetic Ingenuity gives us treasure everytime dinos attack; Hit The Motherlode can discover into big dinos and when it doesn't, we get a hoard of treasure tokens; and lets not forget Daring Discovery making up to three opponent creatures unable to block.
In my experience playing this deck, flyers can be a big problem. Dinos have big heads and little arms. To fight this, I really like chaosphere. It's an obscure enchantment from mirage that makes all creatures able to block flying creatures, while flying creatures can't block creatures without flying. It's a massive power shift.
Pantlaza's ability triggers when a dinosaur enters play. It's a triggered ability. Anthems just apply. They are continuous effects. So, the anthem makes the Dino bigger and Pantlaza discovers higher.
Really like Gishath and I put him in my Pantlaza deck but honestly I like Zacama as a commander more than Gishath. You can be down and with Zacama turn the tide with resetting lands and using his abilities before even attacking whereas Gishath has to attack first in order to get his benefits. Plus Zacama only costs 1 mana more and if one can afford Gishath at 8 then you can pretty much for certain pay 9 at that point in the game.
Yup yup! Changelings count as all types in all zones at all times. Fun fact, Archidekt even has a cool feature that would highlight cards in red if they clashed with the rules of your Companion 😊
Tbh I've changed pantlaza with Gishath and the Deck plays 20x better.. I've also added some dinos like the Etali from the March of machines and Even won a game with it as its a win con in itself
I honestly dont like blink spells for this deck much, i tried some but hitting them is basically just a redo on pantlaza and doesn't feel the best. Cryptic gateway is one of my favorite cards here, feels like a better sneak attack in this deck
Why doesn't blink feel the best? I mean you're doing the thing multiple times? So if the thing doesn't feel good, why even play Pantlaza? Just curious not trolling
I'm somewhat surprised you didn't mention Sylvan Anthem. Since most of the dinos are part green, you get a small peek before you discover, while also discovering for a little bit bigger.
There are 2 mistakes at this video, first Herald's Horn was already at the average deck from edhrec and second you don't mention that you put in Rootbound Crag
@@robotov2334 it wrecked into the polyraptor+maurading raptor combo. I had pantlaza out, so i would flip for Predators into a dino and then discover into a spell.
Can someone explain to me why the EDHrec guys absolutely hate the snarls so much? They never explain it. Even in they lands episode they basically went "these are complete and utter garbage and you should feel bad for playing them"....I've always found they pretty consistently come in untapped (granted I spend my money on spells, not lands, so my mana bases are a little cheaper). I just want to know why the hate them so much...
I think they're fine in two colour decks but in three plus colours, they can be more awkward, coming into play tapped when you really need the mana available. Also, if you have a Snarl and a basic say, having the extra land in hand is worse as you've got less spells to cast. I just think there's better options (outside of Shocks, Triomes, Crowd lands which can be pricier) for 3-5 colours.
I realize there are slight differences, but the budget upgrades to this are SO much better than those suggested by the Command Zone to the precon. Also loved the Sun-flavored. Also like to second molten echoes, and add Doors of Durin as yet another way to cheat big dinos out, and can help set up your discovers (a little)
To be fair this is the average deck for pantlaza after precon upgrades. The command zone is giving suggestions for swapping to upgrade the standard precon
@canadianbigfeet5428 that's why I specified the budget upgrades, and acknowledged that the situation was slightly different. Doesn't change the fact that the suggested upgrades are generally stronger.
I'm surprised CZ didn't bring up Lurking Predators. It's around the same price as sneak attack and it's such a good add here.
A card i didn‘t see so far in any Pantlaza upgrade but is sooo good is Cream of the Crop. It‘s an older card from Morningtide which basicly let‘s you scry X whenever a creatue ETBs on your board based on the creatures power. With Pantlaza this card is insane!
Sun-flavored Dino? Sounds really spicy 😂
Sunny D(ino)
@@crss29as long as it's not the Teletubbies sun
@@joedoe7572 At least that one's likely to be tender.
I was dying, so freaking funny
I wonder if Pantlaza likes Sun Chips
I look forward to these videos honestly more than any other mtg content, they help me with the thought process of bettering average decklist/ deck building in general
Commenting to just say that this is my favorite EDHrec content
Been playing this deck list and I’m having a blast! So much fun flickering Dinos in response and then discovering into a spell.
Touch the Spirit Realm is some of my favorite tech in decks that want blink effects. It's so versatile for a budget option.
Another disadvantage of urza's incubator is that the discount also applies to your opponents' creatures that have the chosen type, I remember playing against two dragon decks and one player played the incubator, the next turn the other dragon deck managed to put about 15 creatures on the field , too much power for a Miirym deck...
Great video, I really love Pantlaza. The precon was well built.
I really think temple of the false god is great if you're running plenty of ramp spells like explore and kodama's reach. you'll have five lands. just make sure to keep a hand with a ramp spell if you have temple in opening hand as only one of two lands :)
shoutout to Gigantosaurus, GGGGG 10/10
awesome vid joey.
For me an auto not include, i dont need that 2 colorless ever if i have 5 lands but fuck me if that card doesnt do anything.
I played my first game with an upgraded Pantlaza precon last night, and it went very well (I did win). I am really loving the new mana rock, Progenitor's Icon, as it helps to gain more value for builds that aren't running the flicker cards. Looking forward to getting more of the new dinosaurs for this deck in the future.
Considering a lot of dinos tend to be big bois, I feel like it's better to add entish restoration than kodamas reach
I think the logic is you want to ramp to be able to get to your dinos. Not aftet they are out
Been playing this list for a couple of months now and just wow this deck is strong! I actually got a t6 kill with it earlier this evening in a 3 player game thanks to some lucky discovers. Thank you for one of the most fun lists I've played in years but definitely have to bench it in most pods and at most play it once per game night.
Looking forward to the next installment in the upping the average series 😀
Finally a dino commander that cares about you playing dinos, not just turbo ramp tino your commander. The precon itself is a lot of fun
Highly suggest your protection package include Eerie Interlude and Legion’s Initiative. Protects your whole board from everything and trigger your commander again.
jeweled lotus and no other upgrades made this deck pop so hard that my friend got visibly salty
Definitely gonna give Sun Flavored Pants Lazer a try. Gishath was my first commander deck ever and I've been looking for an excuse to build dinosaurs again and this is the perfect opportunity
Thanks for the video!
I’ve been running Gishath as my Dino commander and I was hesitant to try out the new guy now I’m making my new adjustments!
The sun flavored finalized my decision to mess with this deck. Thanks!
I would want to add my favorite enchantments and artifacts
sunbirds invocation
Lurking predators
Cream of the crop
Cryptic gateway
Molten echos
Greater good
Played this precon at a table where someone was playing an upgraded version. His descendants path hit every time when mine whiffed.
Since this video, Pantlaza climbed from rank 362 all the way to 71, incredibly powerful commander that will only get stronger. The discover based on toughness, synergy with sneak and blink effects, discover allowing you to put the card in hand, consistency is the name of the game.
Great video. Helps a lot with upgrade precon. Second budget list great. Raptors and Act was my first idea for upgrade, my creatures Die but my opponnets to😉🆒👍
"Domri Anarch of Bolas" is an amazing addition to this deck.
i still haven’t been able to find the precon below $88 (i should’ve bought it when it was $65) but i pulled many MANY good dino’s in the box i got so i just ended up making my own pantlaza deck out of the cards i got and some bulk cards along with a couple cheaper singles it runs pretty well definitely needs improvements but gotta love the help i got from EDHrec :)
I managed to snag all 4 decks on Amazon for $135....and then the decks got backorder on amazon and I'm still waiting for them....
Try target they still have some
I look forward to "Sun Flavored" having the exact same effect on my friend group as "Baby Lasagna"
I am already planning on getting this Dinosaur Precon and upgrade it, its going to be epic and sick
I will forever call her Pentlaza the Sun-Flavored thank you Joey
Curator of Sun's Creation and Wild Magic Sorcerer are great with Pantlaza. Too much fun.
By the way - Emiel the blessed is absolutely busted in this deck. I’ve been blinking Pantlaza at least once on each other players turn! 3 mana for a 4 drop off the top is so good!
I'm playing this deck, I'm missing some cards but it's very entertaining, they've cleaned my table several times haha I'm the terror of ramping , I added a miraris to raise the spam curve
In place of rise from the rubble, I rock reclaim, and reclaim adjacent effects.
Pantlaza has been my favorite deck to play and upgrade. I could not recommend it enough
Sun-Flavored got me. I laughed so hard people thought I was crazy (had earbuds in).
I bought the PreCon, made Gishath the Commander and have some nice power double effects in place that make this deck so much fun. Plays very different to Pantlaza though.
Will Roaming Throne double up Pantlaza’s discover trigger? I’m thinking about doing that. Long live PantsLazer SunFlavored!
When I play white decks that go wide, I love to add Starlight Spectacular (A pet card at this point)
I would very much love an Upping the Average on Alela, Cunning Conqueror !
I feel like her average list is abysmally underpowered, focusing too much on FaerieTribal and not at all what the commander screams could be her shell: Draw-Go
This is my favorite commander since Miirym
Would like to see how it works for my live MTG game play.
Joey: Let's hope the price on those comes down some day..
WOTC: *cackling into their champagne flutes*
I really like your deck! But I would swap „touch the spirit realm“ with „teleportation circle“. When i see correct, then its a perfect combo with sneak attack, so you can cheat a creaturecard for 1 mana out, flicker it and now its a permanent without the sacrifice disadvantage. And teleportation circle gives you one more time the discovery effect for your turn.
New player here and I hadn't heard of companions yet. Makes me think Mythweaver Poq would be a worthy addition to the deck since he's a powerful cat.
he is on Arena only ;)
Can we please get an upping the average for brenard
So when I bought this precon and made my adjustments I had a Lurking predators just laying around and thought " hmph this will be a good fit" boy let me tell you that card puts in work in this deck I dumped about 30 power worth of creatures on just one go around, it stuck around for about 3 turns and only thing that could stop me at that point was a board wipe
I run a quicksilver amulet in my deck and it’s gross getting out 7-8-9 costs for 4 mana.
Analyze the Pollen from MKM is a great budget 1-mana tutor that can double as a land fetcher. Works great in my dino deck since it's easy to collect evidence 8 after a few tuns of board wipes.
Savage Order is another good option.
Also why aren't more ppl putting Quintorious Kand to capitalize on discover and punish everyone else anytime an Etali or discover casts from exile? Curator of Sun's Creation discovers again every time, duplicating that further; Poetic Ingenuity gives us treasure everytime dinos attack; Hit The Motherlode can discover into big dinos and when it doesn't, we get a hoard of treasure tokens; and lets not forget Daring Discovery making up to three opponent creatures unable to block.
So many Pantlaza decks running about on spelltable. Played against 5 in 4 games the other day lol.
Oh god you're gonna make me build a deck again
You need to do a money doesn't matter version
Didn’t know that pantlaza was a may ability, I guess dracosuar is going back in my deck lol
In my experience playing this deck, flyers can be a big problem. Dinos have big heads and little arms. To fight this, I really like chaosphere. It's an obscure enchantment from mirage that makes all creatures able to block flying creatures, while flying creatures can't block creatures without flying. It's a massive power shift.
I need an alt art for this card that's just a bottle of sunny d. Pantlava the sun flavored.
Im curious, are people player her or Wayta more?
What… does the sun taste like?
Yellow
Caprisun
What does the sun taste like Joey?
Did you guys stop adding videos to upping the average playlist?
I had to double check my playback speed because it felt like Joe was speeding 1.5x speed. Love the tech though!
My google-fu has failed me how does pantlaza's discover abilty function when anthems are in play
Pantlaza's ability triggers when a dinosaur enters play. It's a triggered ability. Anthems just apply. They are continuous effects.
So, the anthem makes the Dino bigger and Pantlaza discovers higher.
@@RibusPQR that was what i thought but i couldn't find the rules for that thank you
Really like Gishath and I put him in my Pantlaza deck but honestly I like Zacama as a commander more than Gishath. You can be down and with Zacama turn the tide with resetting lands and using his abilities before even attacking whereas Gishath has to attack first in order to get his benefits. Plus Zacama only costs 1 mana more and if one can afford Gishath at 8 then you can pretty much for certain pay 9 at that point in the game.
I need to make this deck and call it Taste the Sun
Whats a budget option for The Great Henge?
I would say, it depends. It taps for mana, gives a little life, +1/+1 and card draw. no other artifact does that.
Make an Ojer Axonil video!!
For triggering plantlaza wouldn’t the free stuff go to hand right if done on another players turn?
Hand or board, your choice.
I would like to petition to change the name of the video to "Puntlaza, Sun-Flavored | Upping the Average"
Does Realmwalker work with Kahera Companion?
Yup yup! Changelings count as all types in all zones at all times. Fun fact, Archidekt even has a cool feature that would highlight cards in red if they clashed with the rules of your Companion 😊
Oh boy. Just built this bad boy. I’m ready to see how bad my deck building really is XD
What is your opinion on Doors of Durin?
@@TeaGarrison I like scry effects.
Tbh I've changed pantlaza with Gishath and the Deck plays 20x better.. I've also added some dinos like the Etali from the March of machines and Even won a game with it as its a win con in itself
Mmmm, sun flavored
I honestly dont like blink spells for this deck much, i tried some but hitting them is basically just a redo on pantlaza and doesn't feel the best. Cryptic gateway is one of my favorite cards here, feels like a better sneak attack in this deck
Why doesn't blink feel the best? I mean you're doing the thing multiple times? So if the thing doesn't feel good, why even play Pantlaza? Just curious not trolling
More Joey!
Definitely Sun-Flavored now. Lolol.
Joey PLLLLLEAAAASSSE do nalia de'arnise.
I know you did burkaros but i kneed your flavour on her.
Should’ve just kept calling it sun flavored.
I went with Dino DNA from Jurassic Park so I can just keep making Etalis.
Nutz
I'm somewhat surprised you didn't mention Sylvan Anthem. Since most of the dinos are part green, you get a small peek before you discover, while also discovering for a little bit bigger.
In your defense, it could be sun flavored...we don't know what the sun tastes like
I named her pants lasagna...
Sunny D taste the Sun
The cheapest way is to acquire the precon?! Not at time of posting this lol the singles are cheaper than the deck price right now on TCG and eBay 😂
Cream of the Crop is disgusting with this commander.
There are 2 mistakes at this video, first Herald's Horn was already at the average deck from edhrec and second you don't mention that you put in Rootbound Crag
Lurking Predators in my most recent game was atrocious.
Like, it wrecked your opponents? Or it was terrible?
@@robotov2334 it wrecked into the polyraptor+maurading raptor combo. I had pantlaza out, so i would flip for Predators into a dino and then discover into a spell.
Six mana to cast that companion, yuck! No thanks. Otherwise, I love your videos.
Can someone explain to me why the EDHrec guys absolutely hate the snarls so much? They never explain it. Even in they lands episode they basically went "these are complete and utter garbage and you should feel bad for playing them"....I've always found they pretty consistently come in untapped (granted I spend my money on spells, not lands, so my mana bases are a little cheaper). I just want to know why the hate them so much...
I think they're fine in two colour decks but in three plus colours, they can be more awkward, coming into play tapped when you really need the mana available.
Also, if you have a Snarl and a basic say, having the extra land in hand is worse as you've got less spells to cast.
I just think there's better options (outside of Shocks, Triomes, Crowd lands which can be pricier) for 3-5 colours.