I appreciate your effort and honesty here. Just the fact that you started "old school" on this removal is impressive. I must admit, I have never tried with just hand tools but have the world of respect for the old loggers. Maybe I will!
Leveraging a tree from the base is no joke either way, especially on a tree that is leaning into it and you need an extra thick section left for the hinge. I've busted up my 20 ton bottle jack on a tree not much bigger then that, it really takes an extraordinary amount of force on such a short lever.
You see, that's what I like about you Cody, you generally show your mistakes which is honest and makes for much better videos. Not to mention it helps all of us avoid making the same mistake.
The other day I went to the barn to work on my draft mare's hoofs. Went in the side door to her stall but I forgot to announce my presence. NOT GOOD. She got startled, found my self in an enclosed space with a 2000 lb 20 1/2 hand horse scared out of her mind. I was lucky, didn't die. Things happen. It is good to learn from your mistakes but even better to learn from the mistakes of others. Cody thanks for sharing I appreciate your humility in sharing this near miss.
While leading ours, I walked him right on my own foot. Very calmly I stopped him, and gave him a back poke in the chest. Freaking out would have caused him to toe down and kick off. No broken bones, but the next several weeks reminded me of how painful stupid is. ;-)
@@dangerous119 Or he isn't afraid of showing his own mistakes when he makes them. Otherwise known as being genuine. Something a flaming Marxist wouldn't know about.
@@dangerous119 conservative = cutting down tree quickly? Also, why are you even watching this video? When was the last time a lefty done manual labour? You don’t build campfires you build dumpster fires.
@KCarch25 Unkown that's not how a chainsaw would be used at this instance, there's techniques that must be used so that it can be done and safely at that. the weight would pinch the saw, like the guy in the video said, the proper hydraulic jack should be used
Have pulled 36" dia red oaks back from 15% tilts with come along and pulley and few prusik tethers. The higher you attach the pulling rope = the safer and easier it is. Wedges and extra guide rope is usually a real safe bet. Playing with any tree in wind escalates the risk factor huge, learned hard way on that one.
Me too. When I first heard or was it saw that the HL jack was involved I imagine it might be to pull the tree over its centre of gravity... but..... um...!
And then perhaps medical instructions on "How To Remove A High Lift Jack From Forehead". This was good to watch as it showed what not to do. As you say Wranglerstar, hydraulic would be best here. Really enjoy your videos by the way, lots of stuff very useful to us down here in Australia. Thanks.
I have to admit that that's what I was thinking. I don't know anything about tree felling but I have to use a high-lift often in my work and one thing that I was always taught and have seen too often is that they *love* to jump out right in the direction of the handle. If you had no load on it (i.e. no "spring" pressure), and you'd put all your weight on that handle and the jack came out, it would have pivoted on the foot plate and come straight down like an ax - right in the direction your head was; if you HAD all that spring pressure on it and it had come out when you were hanging on the cheater bar like that, the jack bar would have come down like an ax -- with a Ford Fairlane sitting on top of it. It would have gotten you in the middle of your forehead and not stopped until it got to about the third vertebra between your shoulder blades. Please go back and remake the video to show people with no experience of this but want to learn. Please show them what a VERY bad idea this is and NOBODY should be putting their body weight on a high-lift jack like this with all the spring pressure of the tree on it like that. Please.
Many problems with this; #1 hinge was way to huge could have made it 50 % less thick #2 The back cut was way to high , the back cut should be only slightly higher than the front cut Look at 7:20 If the back cut was just above the front cut and the back cut was cut in say just past the discoloration #3 if the top of the back cut was cut in another few inches then the jack could go in another few inches making it way more secure and safe . if these three thing were done the tree could be jacked over very easily And were I come from we call that type of Jack a jack all I just use wedges anyway you would be suprised how much you can move trees with wedges even double them up if needed and moving that little pine would be easy as pie
100 years ago a guy would’ve cut his wedge a little deeper and taken about 10 swings at the back of that tree and it would be on the ground getting limbed this seems like a lot of fooling around trying to make it more complicated than is
If the tree is not leaning properly in the direction he wants it to fall he needs a tool to persuade it. (Wedge, pull rope, etc) in this case he’s using a jack
Looks to me like that was much too small of a tree and too big of a hinge to use a jack on. But chopping the wedge deeper probably would have allowed the jack to work.
When he sat the jack in the notch I knew he was going to cut out more of the tree so he could get more of the foot in the tree. He was being too careful to pretend the jack could support the pressure on the tip of the foot. Then I remembered the title of the video & was disappointed when he didn't show the failure.
This isn't a normal felling cut, if your hinge ends up too thin that jack can rip the entire section apart and your leaning tree is then falling exactly where you didn't want it to go.
My thoughts exactly. also the jack handle is hollow. for extra leverage on a kangaroo jack try sliding a crow bar down the handle. Google image a Jarrah tree. that's the wood we cut in Western Australia.
And if you didn't know to much torque on something can result in something bending... So: He put too much torque/force/pressure on the toe of the base plate thus resulting in it bending.
Well, nilknar~, " you should study up it" - there's at least 2 subjects you need to repeat.... "Torque" is defined as rotational force so nothing bends without torque.
It's sawing critique time. start off you saw kerf straight using a short saw. The long saw sags and causes an arched kerf. Make sure to draw the saw in line with the kerf, even when wore out ;) (made harder by an arched kerf). And keep plenty of lube on the saw while you're cutting. Though not period correct, wd-40 works good. The sticky Sap Grab and friction just makes you & the saw wear out faster.
PS don't get me started with the jack stuff. I'm pretending I didn't see that. I'm guessing it's now down & you're obviously still alive so for the future learn how to use wedges. One of which is your axe. That's the main reason they have the hammer face, not to hammer with but to be hammered in by.
It would make more sense if you just hit the tree with tour truck at 50mph ! I don't get why you didn't just cut the tree down ? Why the big science experiment?
@@liamoboyle2065 I agree with The Loose Moose, I see no point in this. Even 100 years ago, they would have just finished felling the tree in a matter of minutes.... and accurately! This was a waste of time. : / Also, had he have seated the base of the jack more inline with the Hi-Lift Rise Bar, and let the nose angle to the rear SLIGHTLY it would have more than likely worked better AND not broke his jack either. I would volunteer a demo, but again, I see NO point to this exercise. If I'm going to fell a tree.... I'm going to fell a tree in minutes and be done with it. : )
I've seen enough of your videos to know that you are an expert felling trees with conventional tools. Clearly this was an experiment gone awry. Thank you for being humble and posting anyway. I know from experience, whatever the task, I typically learn the most when I make a mistake. It looked a bit dicey so I'm glad for you that the price of the lesson was just a jack. All the best.
This guy is not an expert on most of the things he videos himself doing. He seems like he's a city guy trying to do things the "old fashioned way", and it's apparent to people who actually do what he's trying to do.
Hi Lift Jacks are dangerous period in my opinion, I own two and yes there are times when the Hi Lift jack is the only tool that will work but I avoid using them as much as possible. By design they are unstable at best the biggest issue with them is the amount of slop in the tool, especially between the foot and leg of the tool. Unless you can't find another tool to do the work is the only time I use my Hi Lifts. I have had several close calls because of the tool but I must admit I have never broke the foot of one, I have bent the leg though.
Yeah, they are an old bumper jack on steroids. There are some things that you really need them for, though, like lifting the front of a tractor. You definitely have to be careful and add support as you lift. Nothing like it for pulling t-posts either. Those t-post lifters from HF usually just bend before the post comes out.
Used correctly HI lifts are perfectly safe. they are supposed to be pinned at the top under the tounge. and a vehicle should have proper jack points. Also a spare rim/tire upside down make a fantastic, almost unmovable jack base. particularly in mud. I have used them for years in the bush, and never ever had any issues. one thing people neglect on there hi lifts is oil. Motorcycle chain lube works best. I have recovered some insanely Bogged 4x4s in Outback Australia with just a kangaroo jack and a few chains a shovel and crowbar.
I never said they didn't work but they are by design unstable and extreme caution needs to be taken when using one..the bases/foot is far to small and not very secure for the height that the jack lifts. If they designed a larger foot and a much more secure way of attaching it so it was not so inclinded to tip it would be much safer... if your trying to change a tire having yoyr spare underneath the jack to stabilize it makes it a bit difficult to put the spare on the truck....just saying...lol
I just noticed your avatar. People would take you a lot more seriously if you didn't have a pug dog for an avatar. ;o) (I have a particular distaste for pugs. Sorry. Sort of. Kind of. Maybe.) Actually, as noted in my first comment, I agree with you (especially about the spare tire!). However, using tools, which are basically force-multipliers, is inherently dangerous. You are doing things that require more strength, and more power (oooh oooh oooh!) than you have alone. The key is paying attention so that you use them safely. Case in point: jacking a vehicle, and using jack stands. I have some heavy duty jack stands (hunks of iron and formed steel plate) that had the same "load rating" as other pieces of...stuff that were made out of sheet metal. Something is better than nothing (usually), but I didn't trust those cheap, flimsy-looking stands to protect me. "My brain is my safety device." to paraphrase someone familiar to us all. Wranglerstar knew he was pushing the envelope on this. Just look at him while he was pulling down on the jack handle: the definition of "treading lightly". Of course, he really pushed it (pulled it?) with the peavey, but who among us haven't done something that we looked back on and said, "Probably shouldn't have done that." He did it, then showed it to the world to learn from. Once again, I salute you you, W! Keep on, be safe, keep learning, and keep taking us along with you. We love you.
Well when it comes to anything everyone has their opinion....what I find disturbing is the fact that if someones opinions don't agree with their opinion they right away go off the rails and get personal...and if my Avatar bothers people or some how lessens my rights to have my opinion well guess what I could give a tinkers damn..... My comment was based on personal experience with High lift jacks and 40+ years of using them on the farm, off roading in my 4x4's etc.... I still own a couple of high lifts jacks and always will but.....when I can find another way of fixing my current need for a tool such as that, the High Lift is my last choice because they unstable (no matter what you say) but there are times it is the only tool for the job..... and if you take offense to my opinion or if you find my avatar objectionable....I really could give a rip. I love my dog and he goes everywhere I go if possible. I have been disabled for 12 years and fought depression for several years basically from the daily lonelyness because of not being out and about with work and I spend most of my weekdays completely alone and Dutch is my companion...even my wife gets jealous at times. It is sad that so many people are only tolerate if other peoples opinions are the same as theirs....and to suggest that my opion is basically bs because of my avatar just shows how superficial people have become....so sad
My truck would be 40 yards away way before then! Wow, at least he has the clothes that look like he has a clue. I would have had that tree on the ground in about 2 minutes and I only stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night.
@Stephen Kulawinski I kept thinking, 'I sure hope he's got good dental insurance'; when he started straining and bending the jack handle, all I could think about was the mess his face could become.
Even if that technic would've worked it seem like much more work than just cutting it with the saw and the axe alone. Also it may worked if the placement of the Jack were below the hinge line, not above
Think the whole point of the jack is for Accurate Precision Falling of the tree. Like if ur cutting a tree near houses????? Maybe lol idk jus assuming!!!!
Looking at the comments it is obvious that most of the commentators on how they would never cut down a tree in this manner and they are quite correct. But I believe they missed the point. You are watching a homesteading video. Trying to show you how pioneering men probably had to take down a tree. No chainsaws on early homesteads. Cody has possibly taken down hundreds of tree in very stressful circumstances. He is also a certified feller. Any of you Monday morning quarterbacks ever had ANY, repeat, ANY professional training on felling dead trees?......speak up now and apologize to Cody for your rude comments. The video was not intended to illustrate how to fell a tree the fastest way possible. The way it turned out you will possibly never forget this video. So maybe it was a video that just may save your life someday. You can start your apologies now. JoeB
hate to hear that you broke the jack. I wondered how fun it would be to move that much tree without hydraulics. oh well, happens to all of us. props to you for admitting it wasn't the best decision. if you've done it before with a bottle jack, why use the high lift this time? was it just what you had handy? either way, looking forward to seeing the rest of the tree coming down. take care.
This is what happened. I forgot to load the bottle jack into my truck. I realized this and thought to myself no problem i'll just use the high lift i keep in my tool box, bad idea,
OMG. As soon as he put the high lift jack in place I knew where the jack was going to fail. I am at a loss for words as to how foolish this endeavor was. So many potentially dangerous things in this video that it makes me question almost every video I have seen of his. I like a lot of his stuff from the past, but this just made me shake my head.
this guy makes it seem like he's felling some giant redwood. I love the additional folksey music and the self-confindent instructional tone througout.... and the gradual realisation that everything he says is utter tosh. I would appreciate a 25 minute video on how to prune a rosebush. "I feel the wind in the leaves now so think slowly and properly before making that final clip-clip"
not sure how the high-lift jack fits in with the other vintage tools. Or was that even the idea? Det cord would be safer than using a peavey as a cheater on a high-lift jack! I enjoyed the video nonetheless, inexplicably.
You're the expert, not me, but wouldn't it make sense, just in case something unexpected happened, to move your truck far enough away that it is out of the line of fire? With respect.
You are soooooo right! Weaken the trees vertical stability and then move the vehicle? Formula for disaster. The FIRST thing one does is clear the entire fall zone of anything remotely valuable and then clear the ground so you don't risk tripping when attempting to move away from the tree. Tree felling is DANGEROUS AS HELL hell when done correctly. For the life of me I can't understand the purpose of this experiment. It would have been so much easier and faster to simply drop the tree in the recommended fashion.
Perhaps if he had attached the jack handle, via a pulley under the tree-roots, to his car he could have driven it away and felled it, ensuring the jack is held into the tree by elasticated bungee-cords wrapped around the trunk..and coaxing the hinge apart with a kitchen knife lubricated with good quality olive oil.
Never skimp on the cold pressed high quality olive oil; it's essential. And if all else fails, keep your wife at 100 yards with a M40 sniper rifle to shoot blue-tipped incendiary bullets on the stubborn tree trunk.
Hey, here's a video idea for you. How to use a hi-lift for jumper cables. (No kidding.) I was on a fire in the Yukon Territory back in '82 and had a dead battery. Flagged a local down. "You got jumper cables? I''ve got a dead battery." "I've got a handi-man jack" "I've got a dead battery." Was this guy nuts? He crept forward with his truck and touched my bumper. He got out, retrieved his jack and popped both hoods. He inverted the jack and set both the arm and the upright pieces on the positive posts of both batteries. "Git in and start her up." And it started. Much safer than tree falling.
Ouch.. lotta weight and stresses involved there Cody, glad your OK but that had to be a little scary. High strength lo stretch tensioning rope, use the 440 and do a soft dutchman cut, or a rated bottle jack, but the old Kangaroo (Hi Lift) outside Australia jack is a heavy enough beast on the ground. Anyways no one was hurt and lessons learned (sorry to monday afternoon coach (quarterback?) but I had visions of that jack flying back at you with a lot of force...
LOL watching him pulling down hard on the jack, with just the toe stuck in the tree made me cringe. I was waiting for him to wear the jack for a hat. Glad he's ok but I would have liked to see the carnage. You know to see how bad it could get. also try using a good crow bar down the jack handle for added leverage.
I bet he has a knot or bruise somewhere from the failure. I do not think I would show that either. Probably too much foul language for a family channel.
Wranglerstar -- I applaud your courage in posting this "what not to do" video. It may save some people from some costly or even deadly mistakes. I also totally get why you did not post the section of video showing when you broke your jack. You probably shit yourself... I know I would have. On the more serious side, a bottle jack would have been the way to go here. you would have way more control with less possibility of the jack exploding out of the tree in your direction. Also you left way too much holding wood. What you need to do is cut out the spot for the jack first, get the jack in and set so the tree can't go the wrong way, then face up the tree with only an inch or inch and a half of holding wood. If the tree is leaning so much that that's not enough you need to figure out another method.
Good cautionary video. The geometry of those jacks guarantees that sort of result. Now you also know why to PUSH them AWAY from you with your free palm and not to two-hand the handle. That thick wedge you left was a setup for failure as it was being "pulled" where the fibers are strong. If used differently (thinner wedge) it would have worked. I've pushed, pulled and lifted a wide variety of machinery, steel, vehicles and wood with my Hi-Lift collection (four so far plus organ donors, I'm not kind to them) but most people neglect to STUDY how they work before using the jack. I'm studying the hell out of how to fall trees safely and it's paying off on my property. I suggest others study every tool they use to get the most out of them safely. The jacks are designed to fail "gracefully" when overloaded. That's good engineering. If you want a monster (you won't enjoy lifting them) the "railroad" style Simplex jacks are magnificent. Get 'em used because new ones are over a grand, but they make Hi-Lifts look like toothpicks by comparison.
I believe the term is “Yankee”, just kidding. But yeah this looks more like he watched a TH-cam video, went out and bought $2,000 worth of tools, and then recorded what his attempt. Did so much wrong.
Wranglerstar is a city mouse posing as a country mouse. If you watch his videos you will soon discover he is a danger to himself and others. I am convinced most of his subscribers are here waiting for him to get killed by his own lack of experience and skill. He has no business "teaching" people anything about logging.
goodness gracious. .I was just waiting for the base to slip and clobber you in the knee..or somewhere slightly higher.. that was brutal to watch. I can fill a book with hi lift disasters I've seen, been part of or heard second hand..
Never seen anyone Jack off a tree till now. Been cutting down trees for fire wood for 20 years now and all you need is a saw and common sense. Also my truck, tractor or four wheeler is no where near the trees I cut down even before I notch the tree I'm taking down. But if you don't like the way your face looks or want to eat your meals through a straw, I recommend this video.
Whatever one can come with of comments , it it great to see a man so positive to what he is doing and enthusiastic about the next new thing he is trying . Also even when ranting , he will do so in the friendliest way . Seen from the woods here in Norway this proram allways put a smile on my lips , a friendly smile !
Consider a screw jack. You have better fine control and large surface area. You can weld little nubs (or fab plates) to bite the wood and prevent slipping. You mention using a winch in the first video so it is obvious you understand the great leverage that provides. This is an opportunity to demonstrate a technique. Not being there, it would show my ignorance if I tried to make judgments.
That sounds like an idea worth trying. A screw jack could address the surface contact/point loading concern that it seems was the cause of the jack breaking. Either way - tough task without the modern equipment we've all become so used to! Has anyone ever tried a line tensioned by garage door springs?
I've heard of it but never tried it. The method I've heard, you use a length of rope, two garage door springs, chain and a winch or come-along to tension. A bight of line between the far ends of the springs (like on a nylon mooring line) let's you know when your springs are tensioned and prevents over extension.
Also, it isn't like you can't use multiple techniques in concert. It might decrease the force needed from the jack and decrease the sway. You can see the wind moving the branches. Leaners are tough in a breeze, heavy leaners are best left for calm days.
Yeah, i agree but on a small tree like this a high lift jack can be used if you put the base on the ground, far enough away that it gets good purchase, to push the tree sideways.Instead of up, against It's own stump.You just need a good footing so it doesn't sink. A hydraulic jack really only works good on bigger trees, further from your face cut. With the jack that close, It's almost trying to make the tree barber chair. It's entertaining to watch though, i don't think Cody thought it out far enough to realize the pin only catches at each cutout circle, it would have to lift an inch or so to catch. If it lifted an inch the tree would have to of tipped over to about 45 degrees. Haha, i also agree about the hinge being an inch to high. People think It's safer to go high, its not. Can cause the tree to split easier, and barber chair. Take a little extra time and cut the back parallel to the bottom face about 1" to 1/2" higher. 2" is about max for most size trees.
I was taught step 1: cut the wedge PAST the halfway point, which it looks like he didn't, step 2: cut the back cut until the tree starts to fall, step 3: watch the tree and move out of the way of it falling as quickly as is safe
If people worked this way 100 years ago we would have just invented the steam engine last week and the Oregon trail would be the invention of the year in 2020. I harvest my own timber. I don't own a chainsaw. I have two Axes, 4 wedges and a bow saw. If the wind isn't blowing where it should, I wait until it does. I have never had a barbers chair. I don't saw when felling. If I can't axe and wedge it, I wait until the atmosphere sees things my way. Eventually it does. And if you think it costs me too much time, I work 70 hours a week and my house without wood fuel is cold with no hot water, and nowhere to cook. I have a wood stove. A wood burning water heater. And no central heat. If I don't drop enough wood. I freeze in winter. I have never been cold at home.
That was funny, Wranglestar. I could see that putting the bottom of the jack in that position was going to exert serious leverage on the base, which shoulda been completely flat on the surface. I would have liked to see the thing go ping, and to see what you did to the tree in the end. Too late now. All the best!
You are a big man for admitting your mistake publicly, and I applaud you for it. But I would hate to see you break a jaw or lose some teeth... it's common practice to never put your head, or body, in the arc of a high lift jack handle. Thanks for sharing your experience so we can ALL learn.
It also hurts to watch his feet under the jack barely gripping the tree, and his hand between the jack and the tree trunk. Risk to life or limb at all times in this video.
I always make the jack box below the hinge wood. Never more than 1.5” taller back cut. After the jack is positioned, come back in and release a small amount more hinge at a time until the tree lets you know it wants to move. Jack jack boom, no troubles.
If you were an experienced tree feller you'd know that the tree wont move until you cut the wood that holds it there... that's why he moved his truck when he got to the phase of actually felling the tree.
Hi- Lift Jack's are prone to having the foot squirt back towards you. Dad told us that every time we used one. Never stand directly behind one when it has weight on it. And consider wedging, or pegging, or chaining it.
That poor high lift :( my butt puckered when you put your body over it. I caught a jack handle with my face doing something similar. They're really moody jacks those ones
Brian Reeves He makes money because he has a million subscribers TH-cam have to pay him for He is also a homesteader.This is a year later and he will advertise anything and everything companies ask of him .I loved his channel but he sold his soul.
Not even considering the tree cutting how careless is it to have your truck parked there? 40-50% of the tree is cut and the truck is parked 10 feet away. Hello??
A hundred years ago Grandpa would have said get the ax and keep on chopping it until it falls down what good is a jack when they can't get the job done use the axe "Use A Axe!" I think that's what ax are made for to chop down a tree??? Keep on going son you're halfway there and don't forget to put on your thinking cap!👍
One could see that base part failing right when the jack was placed in with just the tip of it's base supported. Though i was betting on the pin to give way.
I could swear that my dad tried something like this, over thirty years ago. He was using a chainsaw, not an axe, though. He only did it once. Thereafter, if he wanted to guarantee that the tree fell in a particular direction he'd get a rope up high on the tree then have us pull while he made the final cut. Once it started falling, we ran. Usually worked quite well! No one ever got hurt! EDIT: These were much smaller trees, tough. Maybe 8" in diameter at most.
Good video from Wranglerstar as usual. What I learned from this, as far as the use of a jack is to not try to exert maxim force all at once. Instead, a person should go easy, and gradually apply pressure and "persuade" the tree to lean. This keeps the feller within safe parameters. Good job. Sorry about the jack.
I gave myself one heck of a shiner, cutting below my eye and cutting my nose, even though I had worked with an old farm jack numerous times, because I did not have a firm grip on the handle and my hand slipped off that 4' jack handle and it flew back up into my face which was above the handle as I was trying to hurry to get my tractor lifted. That honestly was the hardest I had ever been hit in my life and it left me semi stunned for a couple minutes. Those hard knock lessons often stick with us as the best teachers... IF we live through them.
Alright I hate how you don’t show the tree dropping.
"Tools and techniques from 100 years ago." *Drone flies by*
HSHAHAHA EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT
if our forefathers had access to drones they would've used drones
Hard to hire camera man from 100 years ago. They all dead now.
Well he needs to get footage or you won’t see much
Hydraulic bottle jack in next frame...
I appreciate your effort and honesty here. Just the fact that you started "old school" on this removal is impressive. I must admit, I have never tried with just hand tools but have the world of respect for the old loggers. Maybe I will!
His jack should be positioned lower to jack up the first back cut at the hinge wood.
Leveraging a tree from the base is no joke either way, especially on a tree that is leaning into it and you need an extra thick section left for the hinge.
I've busted up my 20 ton bottle jack on a tree not much bigger then that, it really takes an extraordinary amount of force on such a short lever.
Try a 30 ton jack! I've used rented bottle jacks up to 50 tons. Although, that was for construction purposes, not tree felling.
...or a chainsaw. ;)
He did, he just split it out into another video for the views.
Eight minutes into the video he says, "l've never done this before".
You're kidding.
@F you must be new to this channel, F to you.Watch some more videos and learn a little more before you comment.
Doesn’t show the tree fall.... doesn’t show the jack break. Come on man....
He actually show it.
@@kykiske321 Where? Was there another video?
You see, that's what I like about you Cody, you generally show your mistakes which is honest and makes for much better videos. Not to mention it helps all of us avoid making the same mistake.
Exactly my thoughts, not to mention the testicular fortitude it takes to broadcast one’s mistakes for the sake of others. Respect.
"THIS WAS A BAD IDEA!!! AND DANGEROUS!!!"
Doesn't show what happens
The other day I went to the barn to work on my draft mare's hoofs. Went in the side door to her stall but I forgot to announce my presence. NOT GOOD. She got startled, found my self in an enclosed space with a 2000 lb 20 1/2 hand horse scared out of her mind. I was lucky, didn't die. Things happen. It is good to learn from your mistakes but even better to learn from the mistakes of others. Cody thanks for sharing I appreciate your humility in sharing this near miss.
While leading ours, I walked him right on my own foot. Very calmly I stopped him, and gave him a back poke in the chest. Freaking out would have caused him to toe down and kick off. No broken bones, but the next several weeks reminded me of how painful stupid is. ;-)
What did Jimmy Durante say.........."I got a million of them" LOL
"Think about what you're doing. Take your time" ~ A guy who doesn't follow his own advice
He's a hard core conservative...hypocrisy is in his DNA
@@dangerous119 Or he isn't afraid of showing his own mistakes when he makes them. Otherwise known as being genuine. Something a flaming Marxist wouldn't know about.
@@dangerous119 conservative = cutting down tree quickly?
Also, why are you even watching this video? When was the last time a lefty done manual labour? You don’t build campfires you build dumpster fires.
@KCarch25 Unkown builds character
@KCarch25 Unkown that's not how a chainsaw would be used at this instance, there's techniques that must be used so that it can be done and safely at that. the weight would pinch the saw, like the guy in the video said, the proper hydraulic jack should be used
Legend has it that tree regenerated and stands proud till this day. Silently mocking him as it waves in the wind.....
Have pulled 36" dia red oaks back from 15% tilts with come along and pulley and few prusik tethers. The higher you attach the pulling rope = the safer and easier it is. Wedges and extra guide rope is usually a real safe bet. Playing with any tree in wind escalates the risk factor huge, learned hard way on that one.
Me too. When I first heard or was it saw that the HL jack was involved I imagine it might be to pull the tree over its centre of gravity... but..... um...!
If HL involved at all, in any conceivable way, then yes-
Not sarcastic.
Next up: "Skills Every Guy Should Master - How To Repair A High Lift Jack"
Good idea
And then perhaps medical instructions on "How To Remove A High Lift Jack From Forehead". This was good to watch as it showed what not to do. As you say Wranglerstar, hydraulic would be best here. Really enjoy your videos by the way, lots of stuff very useful to us down here in Australia. Thanks.
I have to admit that that's what I was thinking. I don't know anything about tree felling but I have to use a high-lift often in my work and one thing that I was always taught and have seen too often is that they *love* to jump out right in the direction of the handle. If you had no load on it (i.e. no "spring" pressure), and you'd put all your weight on that handle and the jack came out, it would have pivoted on the foot plate and come straight down like an ax - right in the direction your head was; if you HAD all that spring pressure on it and it had come out when you were hanging on the cheater bar like that, the jack bar would have come down like an ax -- with a Ford Fairlane sitting on top of it. It would have gotten you in the middle of your forehead and not stopped until it got to about the third vertebra between your shoulder blades.
Please go back and remake the video to show people with no experience of this but want to learn. Please show them what a VERY bad idea this is and NOBODY should be putting their body weight on a high-lift jack like this with all the spring pressure of the tree on it like that.
Please.
John Doe What a fool! I hope he has insurance.
John Doe
In the next video we'll see him cut a christmastree with a forklift. Soooo exited!
PLEASE MAKE THIS A THING
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janniball . yeah that sounds about right. that guy needs to go back to the city . maybe he won't hurt himself there.
I love that janniball... so spot on you are...
+John Pelham
No, he'd hurt himself anywhere
Here's a tip: Never park your truck within the radius of the tree fall. To be safe keep your truck two radii away.
im cringing every second he is plying on that high lift jack lol
Many problems with this;
#1 hinge was way to huge could have made it 50 % less thick
#2 The back cut was way to high , the back cut should be only slightly higher than the front cut
Look at 7:20 If the back cut was just above the front cut and the back cut was cut in say just past the discoloration
#3 if the top of the back cut was cut in another few inches then the jack could go in another few inches making it way more secure and safe .
if these three thing were done the tree could be jacked over very easily
And were I come from we call that type of Jack a jack all
I just use wedges anyway you would be suprised how much you can move trees with wedges even double them up if needed and moving that little pine would be easy as pie
Only Wranglerstar can turn a one day tree cutting into a one week's worth of videos. I love it because he teaches the technique DYI style.
it was only a few days of videos lol calm down jeez
Jeremy Martinez
I'm not against it I love it.
seems like that tree is not making down until this weekend.
RJ S Do yourself in style,haha love it
I prefer to park my truck closer to the tree, approx 2 feet away
Mike1614b ha ha...
Yep and leave your axe in the tree; what could possibly go wrong.
I prefer to cut the tree half way then pull it over with my truck ... 1 tree 1 truck!
Just drop it in the bed and drive off :)
I prefer to simply ram my truck into the tree.
If that jack had slipped it would have smashed his face. Why cant some people see the obvious.
the whole time he was reefing on it I was waiting for it to slip out and knock him on the head.
He's a Muppet
But that would deprive us of a hilarious video of someone doing something ridiculously stupid and getting themselves hurt. lol
8:10
That bottom foot may have slipped and caused it to break. -So much potential energy near his unprotected body!!!!
Didn’t know they had bottle jacks or high lift jacks 100 years ago. Lol. But it’s a good technique!
My truck would not be anywhere near the tree, at least further than the length of the tree prior to even starting the cutting process
Did you watch the video? 7:00 he says he is moving the truck.
He said "prior to even starting the cutting process"
yes but it's not best practice to set up all cuts *then* leave the kinetic bomb smouldering while you get in a truck that it might fall on/near
Maybe he should have just left the truck at home and walked? But no, a satellite might have crashed into it then...
And don't forget the tenorists, they are all over the country tenorising trucks and stuff.
Don't spare us the video, show us the video! Haha
Wesley Aring )
Yeah wtf was that, literally cut out the most interesting part!
Wesley Aring qm
Wesley Aring . that's scary. Your trying to give me nightmares.
yep we want to see it
Thats not a hinge its the whole tree.
He's not bright enough to realise that. Is he deranged?
At 6:29 I realized this guy was on a suicide mission.
"Shouldn't slip off" Famous last words
Yep. He's dead, right ?
That’s some good comedy thank you
That Jack’s foot has to have a complete contact on a flat surface,
Cast iron can shatter at the tip,
He is lucky to be alive
100 years ago a guy would’ve cut his wedge a little deeper and taken about 10 swings at the back of that tree and it would be on the ground getting limbed this seems like a lot of fooling around trying to make it more complicated than is
Why would you want to fall a tree this way in the first place, what are you trying to demonstrate, otherwise how NOT to cut down a tree!!!
If the tree is not leaning properly in the direction he wants it to fall he needs a tool to persuade it. (Wedge, pull rope, etc) in this case he’s using a jack
Looks to me like that was much too small of a tree and too big of a hinge to use a jack on. But chopping the wedge deeper probably would have allowed the jack to work.
exactly...
Paul Allen .
When he sat the jack in the notch I knew he was going to cut out more of the tree so he could get more of the foot in the tree. He was being too careful to pretend the jack could support the pressure on the tip of the foot. Then I remembered the title of the video & was disappointed when he didn't show the failure.
This isn't a normal felling cut, if your hinge ends up too thin that jack can rip the entire section apart and your leaning tree is then falling exactly where you didn't want it to go.
My thoughts exactly. also the jack handle is hollow. for extra leverage on a kangaroo jack try sliding a crow bar down the handle. Google image a Jarrah tree. that's the wood we cut in Western Australia.
You torqued the base plate too much. If it was supported under the heel of the base plate as opposed to the toe, you should have been fine.
Should, would, whatever Apple wants me to say.
He did'n't torque it, he bent it. If you don't know the difference between torque and bending you should study up it.
And if you didn't know to much torque on something can result in something bending... So: He put too much torque/force/pressure on the toe of the base plate thus resulting in it bending.
Well, nilknar~, " you should study up it" - there's at least 2 subjects you need to repeat.... "Torque" is defined as rotational force so nothing bends without torque.
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I see that Darwin is sleeping on the job again... :(
only thing missing was "y'all watch this" somebody hold my beer! LOL this guy is great makes me laugh every time
It's sawing critique time. start off you saw kerf straight using a short saw. The long saw sags and causes an arched kerf. Make sure to draw the saw in line with the kerf, even when wore out ;) (made harder by an arched kerf). And keep plenty of lube on the saw while you're cutting. Though not period correct, wd-40 works good. The sticky Sap Grab and friction just makes you & the saw wear out faster.
PS don't get me started with the jack stuff. I'm pretending I didn't see that. I'm guessing it's now down & you're obviously still alive so for the future learn how to use wedges. One of which is your axe. That's the main reason they have the hammer face, not to hammer with but to be hammered in by.
Are there bow saws big enough for a 1.5 foot tree like this? Imagine how easy a good one would make it.
It would make more sense if you just hit the tree with tour truck at 50mph ! I don't get why you didn't just cut the tree down ? Why the big science experiment?
The Loose Moose supposed to be 100 years old techniques that I see no sign of possible the high lift jack is old idea
@@liamoboyle2065 I agree with The Loose Moose, I see no point in this. Even 100 years ago, they would have just finished felling the tree in a matter of minutes.... and accurately! This was a waste of time. : / Also, had he have seated the base of the jack more inline with the Hi-Lift Rise Bar, and let the nose angle to the rear SLIGHTLY it would have more than likely worked better AND not broke his jack either. I would volunteer a demo, but again, I see NO point to this exercise. If I'm going to fell a tree.... I'm going to fell a tree in minutes and be done with it. : )
@@hawkdriver68 theres no point in civil war battle recreation too, it's just fun
Been runnin saw over 40 years This is the first guy I have wanted to smack with an ax handle
Why?
@@spicypeppers2019 because he is doing something very dumb
@@williamwhite9481 doesnt the title say that tho
This "guy" is a professional wildland firefighter and has felled many trees. Everyone makes mistakes
@@adamoneale4396 This guy is a city slicker who in his 50's decided to move into the country and attempt to be a frontiersman.
Jack slips, handle knocks lights out, tree falls backwards, tree wins.
I've seen enough of your videos to know that you are an expert felling trees with conventional tools. Clearly this was an experiment gone awry. Thank you for being humble and posting anyway. I know from experience, whatever the task, I typically learn the most when I make a mistake. It looked a bit dicey so I'm glad for you that the price of the lesson was just a jack. All the best.
This guy is not an expert on most of the things he videos himself doing. He seems like he's a city guy trying to do things the "old fashioned way", and it's apparent to people who actually do what he's trying to do.
Hi Lift Jacks are dangerous period in my opinion, I own two and yes there are times when the Hi Lift jack is the only tool that will work but I avoid using them as much as possible. By design they are unstable at best the biggest issue with them is the amount of slop in the tool, especially between the foot and leg of the tool.
Unless you can't find another tool to do the work is the only time I use my Hi Lifts. I have had several close calls because of the tool but I must admit I have never broke the foot of one, I have bent the leg though.
Yeah, they are an old bumper jack on steroids.
There are some things that you really need them for, though, like lifting the front of a tractor. You definitely have to be careful and add support as you lift. Nothing like it for pulling t-posts either. Those t-post lifters from HF usually just bend before the post comes out.
Used correctly HI lifts are perfectly safe. they are supposed to be pinned at the top under the tounge. and a vehicle should have proper jack points. Also a spare rim/tire upside down make a fantastic, almost unmovable jack base. particularly in mud. I have used them for years in the bush, and never ever had any issues. one thing people neglect on there hi lifts is oil. Motorcycle chain lube works best. I have recovered some insanely Bogged 4x4s in Outback Australia with just a kangaroo jack and a few chains a shovel and crowbar.
I never said they didn't work but they are by design unstable and extreme caution needs to be taken when using one..the bases/foot is far to small and not very secure for the height that the jack lifts. If they designed a larger foot and a much more secure way of attaching it so it was not so inclinded to tip it would be much safer... if your trying to change a tire having yoyr spare underneath the jack to stabilize it makes it a bit difficult to put the spare on the truck....just saying...lol
I just noticed your avatar. People would take you a lot more seriously if you didn't have a pug dog for an avatar. ;o)
(I have a particular distaste for pugs. Sorry. Sort of. Kind of. Maybe.)
Actually, as noted in my first comment, I agree with you (especially about the spare tire!). However, using tools, which are basically force-multipliers, is inherently dangerous. You are doing things that require more strength, and more power (oooh oooh oooh!) than you have alone. The key is paying attention so that you use them safely.
Case in point: jacking a vehicle, and using jack stands. I have some heavy duty jack stands (hunks of iron and formed steel plate) that had the same "load rating" as other pieces of...stuff that were made out of sheet metal. Something is better than nothing (usually), but I didn't trust those cheap, flimsy-looking stands to protect me. "My brain is my safety device." to paraphrase someone familiar to us all.
Wranglerstar knew he was pushing the envelope on this. Just look at him while he was pulling down on the jack handle: the definition of "treading lightly". Of course, he really pushed it (pulled it?) with the peavey, but who among us haven't done something that we looked back on and said, "Probably shouldn't have done that." He did it, then showed it to the world to learn from.
Once again, I salute you you, W! Keep on, be safe, keep learning, and keep taking us along with you. We love you.
Well when it comes to anything everyone has their opinion....what I find disturbing is the fact that if someones opinions don't agree with their opinion they right away go off the rails and get personal...and if my Avatar bothers people or some how lessens my rights to have my opinion well guess what I could give a tinkers damn..... My comment was based on personal experience with High lift jacks and 40+ years of using them on the farm, off roading in my 4x4's etc.... I still own a couple of high lifts jacks and always will but.....when I can find another way of fixing my current need for a tool such as that, the High Lift is my last choice because they unstable (no matter what you say) but there are times it is the only tool for the job.....
and if you take offense to my opinion or if you find my avatar objectionable....I really could give a rip. I love my dog and he goes everywhere I go if possible. I have been disabled for 12 years and fought depression for several years basically from the daily lonelyness because of not being out and about with work and I spend most of my weekdays completely alone and Dutch is my companion...even my wife gets jealous at times. It is sad that so many people are only tolerate if other peoples opinions are the same as theirs....and to suggest that my opion is basically bs because of my avatar just shows how superficial people have become....so sad
a ballpoint pen and a hammer and chisel would have gone faster! Holy crap, dude! I could have taken that tree down in 1/2 hr! WTF?!!
1/2 an hour? I hope you mean felled, bucked and loaded in half an hour lol
My truck would be 40 yards away way before then! Wow, at least he has the clothes that look like he has a clue. I would have had that tree on the ground in about 2 minutes and I only stayed at a Holiday Inn express last night.
You can buy the clothes, but you can't buy the clue!
Man I thought for sure that high lift was going to kick out the bottom and hurt you
@Stephen Kulawinski
I kept thinking, 'I sure hope he's got good dental insurance'; when he started straining and bending the jack handle, all I could think about was the mess his face could become.
Even if that technic would've worked it seem like much more work than just cutting it with the saw and the axe alone. Also it may worked if the placement of the Jack were below the hinge line, not above
Think the whole point of the jack is for Accurate Precision Falling of the tree. Like if ur cutting a tree near houses?????
Maybe lol idk jus assuming!!!!
Technique... just so you know.
Looking at the comments it is obvious that most of the commentators on how they would never cut down a tree in this manner and they are quite correct. But I believe they missed the point. You are watching a homesteading video. Trying to show you how pioneering men probably had to take down a tree. No chainsaws on early homesteads. Cody has possibly taken down hundreds of tree in very stressful circumstances. He is also a certified feller. Any of you Monday morning quarterbacks ever had ANY, repeat, ANY professional training on felling dead trees?......speak up now and apologize to Cody for your rude comments. The video was not intended to illustrate how to fell a tree the fastest way possible. The way it turned out you will possibly never forget this video. So maybe it was a video that just may save your life someday. You can start your apologies now.
JoeB
i think you should take up knitting
hate to hear that you broke the jack. I wondered how fun it would be to move that much tree without hydraulics. oh well, happens to all of us. props to you for admitting it wasn't the best decision.
if you've done it before with a bottle jack, why use the high lift this time? was it just what you had handy?
either way, looking forward to seeing the rest of the tree coming down. take care.
This is what happened. I forgot to load the bottle jack into my truck. I realized this and thought to myself no problem i'll just use the high lift i keep in my tool box, bad idea,
sounds like something I would do!
It happens, who hasn't been in the "Oh crap, I forgot...." position before.
At least this explains the bottle jack pictured in the thumbnail. :-D
Heckin Memes
Peter Brown made a gummy bear axe handle.
OMG. As soon as he put the high lift jack in place I knew where the jack was going to fail. I am at a loss for words as to how foolish this endeavor was. So many potentially dangerous things in this video that it makes me question almost every video I have seen of his. I like a lot of his stuff from the past, but this just made me shake my head.
I’m all for doing things differently but what made this tree anything other than a textbook wedge job? Why work harder than you have to?
Training video of what not to do when felling a tree.
NUTS!
this guy makes it seem like he's felling some giant redwood. I love the additional folksey music and the self-confindent instructional tone througout.... and the gradual realisation that everything he says is utter tosh. I would appreciate a 25 minute video on how to prune a rosebush. "I feel the wind in the leaves now so think slowly and properly before making that final clip-clip"
Buckin' Billy Rays youtube channel is awesome
Andy harpist yep ... everything goes south when the ‘traditional’ jack comes out. Jeeze Louise - what a crazy way to attack this.
not sure how the high-lift jack fits in with the other vintage tools. Or was that even the idea? Det cord would be safer than using a peavey as a cheater on a high-lift jack! I enjoyed the video nonetheless, inexplicably.
List of things I need:
“lumber jack” not high lift jack!
You're the expert, not me, but wouldn't it make sense, just in case something unexpected happened, to move your truck far enough away that it is out of the line of fire? With respect.
So you didn't watch the video? cause you know he specifically says he moved his truck along with all his important stuff at 7:00
I did watch the video. I think I muted the sound for a minute to take a phone call. Didn't mean to offend you.
If you had watched the whole video before commenting, you'd have remembered the action at 06:58
Don't you dare offend the fanboys D Hyde!
You are soooooo right! Weaken the trees vertical stability and then move the vehicle? Formula for disaster. The FIRST thing one does is clear the entire fall zone of anything remotely valuable and then clear the ground so you don't risk tripping when attempting to move away from the tree. Tree felling is DANGEROUS AS HELL hell when done correctly. For the life of me I can't understand the purpose of this experiment. It would have been so much easier and faster to simply drop the tree in the recommended fashion.
Perhaps if he had attached the jack handle, via a pulley under the tree-roots, to his car he could have driven it away and felled it, ensuring the jack is held into the tree by elasticated bungee-cords wrapped around the trunk..and coaxing the hinge apart with a kitchen knife lubricated with good quality olive oil.
Andy harpist அலை ஓடடோபப
That reply was better than the video
Never skimp on the cold pressed high quality olive oil; it's essential. And if all else fails, keep your wife at 100 yards with a M40 sniper rifle to shoot blue-tipped incendiary bullets on the stubborn tree trunk.
South beach
Right on Andy now you know what your doing. :>)
Hey, here's a video idea for you. How to use a hi-lift for jumper cables. (No kidding.) I was on a fire in the Yukon Territory back in '82 and had a dead battery. Flagged a local down. "You got jumper cables? I''ve got a dead battery." "I've got a handi-man jack" "I've got a dead battery." Was this guy nuts? He crept forward with his truck and touched my bumper. He got out, retrieved his jack and popped both hoods. He inverted the jack and set both the arm and the upright pieces on the positive posts of both batteries. "Git in and start her up." And it started. Much safer than tree falling.
Ouch.. lotta weight and stresses involved there Cody, glad your OK but that had to be a little scary. High strength lo stretch tensioning rope, use the 440 and do a soft dutchman cut, or a rated bottle jack, but the old Kangaroo (Hi Lift) outside Australia jack is a heavy enough beast on the ground. Anyways no one was hurt and lessons learned (sorry to monday afternoon coach (quarterback?) but I had visions of that jack flying back at you with a lot of force...
BTW Full marks for showing your mistake, that's not easy, but may save someone else a lot of grief 👍👍
I agree. Glad he is OK and this shows what not to do and may save someones life, who is watching this, in the future.
LOL watching him pulling down hard on the jack, with just the toe stuck in the tree made me cringe. I was waiting for him to wear the jack for a hat. Glad he's ok but I would have liked to see the carnage. You know to see how bad it could get. also try using a good crow bar down the jack handle for added leverage.
I bet he has a knot or bruise somewhere from the failure. I do not think I would show that either. Probably too much foul language for a family channel.
Wranglerstar -- I applaud your courage in posting this "what not to do" video. It may save some people from some costly or even deadly mistakes. I also totally get why you did not post the section of video showing when you broke your jack. You probably shit yourself... I know I would have.
On the more serious side, a bottle jack would have been the way to go here. you would have way more control with less possibility of the jack exploding out of the tree in your direction. Also you left way too much holding wood. What you need to do is cut out the spot for the jack first, get the jack in and set so the tree can't go the wrong way, then face up the tree with only an inch or inch and a half of holding wood. If the tree is leaning so much that that's not enough you need to figure out another method.
Bryan HendribIx
You lost any credibility you had at 4:30--4:50, when you walked through the death zone of that notched tree. TWICE.
And had his truck parked too close...
@@justmyself1000
You're right, I'd hate to see a decent truck, get crunched... him? Meh... LOL
Good cautionary video.
The geometry of those jacks guarantees that sort of result. Now you also know why to PUSH them AWAY from you with your free palm and not to two-hand the handle. That thick wedge you left was a setup for failure as it was being "pulled" where the fibers are strong.
If used differently (thinner wedge) it would have worked. I've pushed, pulled and lifted a wide variety of machinery, steel, vehicles and wood with my Hi-Lift collection (four so far plus organ donors, I'm not kind to them) but most people neglect to STUDY how they work before using the jack. I'm studying the hell out of how to fall trees safely and it's paying off on my property. I suggest others study every tool they use to get the most out of them safely.
The jacks are designed to fail "gracefully" when overloaded. That's good engineering. If you want a monster (you won't enjoy lifting them) the "railroad" style Simplex jacks are magnificent. Get 'em used because new ones are over a grand, but they make Hi-Lifts look like toothpicks by comparison.
Is it just me or does he have no idea what he's doing
Travis Aurand it’s not just you
Yup he doesnt have a clue
I'm honestly confuse what he is trying to show us
I believe the term is “Yankee”, just kidding. But yeah this looks more like he watched a TH-cam video, went out and bought $2,000 worth of tools, and then recorded what his attempt. Did so much wrong.
Wranglerstar is a city mouse posing as a country mouse. If you watch his videos you will soon discover he is a danger to himself and others. I am convinced most of his subscribers are here waiting for him to get killed by his own lack of experience and skill. He has no business "teaching" people anything about logging.
goodness gracious. .I was just waiting for the base to slip and clobber you in the knee..or somewhere slightly higher.. that was brutal to watch. I can fill a book with hi lift disasters I've seen, been part of or heard second hand..
If you can't do it with wedges, then do it with cables.
Never seen anyone Jack off a tree till now. Been cutting down trees for fire wood for 20 years now and all you need is a saw and common sense. Also my truck, tractor or four wheeler is no where near the trees I cut down even before I notch the tree I'm taking down. But if you don't like the way your face looks or want to eat your meals through a straw, I recommend this video.
Whatever one can come with of comments , it it great to see a man so positive to what he is doing and enthusiastic about the next new thing he is trying . Also even when ranting , he will do so in the friendliest way . Seen from the woods here in Norway this proram allways put a smile on my lips , a friendly smile !
Truly appreciate your candor and transparency. Hubris leads a fatal fall.
Consider a screw jack. You have better fine control and large surface area. You can weld little nubs (or fab plates) to bite the wood and prevent slipping.
You mention using a winch in the first video so it is obvious you understand the great leverage that provides. This is an opportunity to demonstrate a technique. Not being there, it would show my ignorance if I tried to make judgments.
That sounds like an idea worth trying. A screw jack could address the surface contact/point loading concern that it seems was the cause of the jack breaking. Either way - tough task without the modern equipment we've all become so used to!
Has anyone ever tried a line tensioned by garage door springs?
I've heard of it but never tried it. The method I've heard, you use a length of rope, two garage door springs, chain and a winch or come-along to tension. A bight of line between the far ends of the springs (like on a nylon mooring line) let's you know when your springs are tensioned and prevents over extension.
It probably doesn't weigh more than a big bottle jack.
Also, it isn't like you can't use multiple techniques in concert. It might decrease the force needed from the jack and decrease the sway. You can see the wind moving the branches. Leaners are tough in a breeze, heavy leaners are best left for calm days.
Interesting to consider the Pro and Con of elastic vs. static line and rig.
Wrong Jack, and I think your hinge wood is a bit to large, but that is me looking at it from all the way over here.
Good luck, stay safe!
Is 2" to think on a 16" tree? I'd hate to have much less,
I think the wide angle lens distorted the appear of the width
haven't you learned yet not to challenge the old ways of doing things
Yeah, i agree but on a small tree like this a high lift jack can be used if you put the base on the ground, far enough away that it gets good purchase, to push the tree sideways.Instead of up, against It's own stump.You just need a good footing so it doesn't sink. A hydraulic jack really only works good on bigger trees, further from your face cut. With the jack that close, It's almost trying to make the tree barber chair. It's entertaining to watch though, i don't think Cody thought it out far enough to realize the pin only catches at each cutout circle, it would have to lift an inch or so to catch. If it lifted an inch the tree would have to of tipped over to about 45 degrees. Haha, i also agree about the hinge being an inch to high. People think It's safer to go high, its not. Can cause the tree to split easier, and barber chair. Take a little extra time and cut the back parallel to the bottom face about 1" to 1/2" higher. 2" is about max for most size trees.
HOSSMCGILLICUTTI what my grandfather would do is set the jack on a 2x6 block of wood to give it a decent base
Why in the world would anyone do this?
Why not just cut it down the normal way?
This looks like the stupidest thing anyone has ever done.
I was taught step 1: cut the wedge PAST the halfway point, which it looks like he didn't, step 2: cut the back cut until the tree starts to fall, step 3: watch the tree and move out of the way of it falling as quickly as is safe
If people worked this way 100 years ago we would have just invented the steam engine last week and the Oregon trail would be the invention of the year in 2020. I harvest my own timber. I don't own a chainsaw. I have two Axes, 4 wedges and a bow saw. If the wind isn't blowing where it should, I wait until it does. I have never had a barbers chair. I don't saw when felling. If I can't axe and wedge it, I wait until the atmosphere sees things my way. Eventually it does. And if you think it costs me too much time, I work 70 hours a week and my house without wood fuel is cold with no hot water, and nowhere to cook. I have a wood stove. A wood burning water heater. And no central heat. If I don't drop enough wood. I freeze in winter. I have never been cold at home.
That was funny, Wranglestar. I could see that putting the bottom of the jack in that position was going to exert serious leverage on the base, which shoulda been completely flat on the surface. I would have liked to see the thing go ping, and to see what you did to the tree in the end. Too late now. All the best!
HEY! The next vid up for binge-watching has the same tree, being 'done'! th-cam.com/video/SkQ6woX2_Us/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for having the stones to give a how-not-too.
You are a big man for admitting your mistake publicly, and I applaud you for it. But I would hate to see you break a jaw or lose some teeth... it's common practice to never put your head, or body, in the arc of a high lift jack handle. Thanks for sharing your experience so we can ALL learn.
iksnyzrog yep, i could hardly watch him use the jack with him putting body parts in its arch. High lifts are mean jacks if not used properly.
It also hurts to watch his feet under the jack barely gripping the tree, and his hand between the jack and the tree trunk. Risk to life or limb at all times in this video.
or break the jack.....LOL.....all in good fun
I think not break the jack, break he back
The man reminds me of Mister bean. every second is going to be a disaster.lol
He said "You can get seriously hurt doing this if you don't do it properly" as he proceeds to do everything improperly.
My grandfather was woods boss for a large logging company. He would chase you out of the woods so fast you would forget you were ever there.
ive waited a week to see this tree fall! and still havent seen it!
Did he mention the purpose for this method or did he skip that part?
I don't think he even knows.
I just love watching "Idiots At Work".
I love that he parked his truck 20 feet away and 30 degrees off the intended fall direction. Hope he has good hiking shoes on.
I always make the jack box below the hinge wood. Never more than 1.5” taller back cut. After the jack is positioned, come back in and release a small amount more hinge at a time until the tree lets you know it wants to move. Jack jack boom, no troubles.
Seemed like a good place to park his truck while doing this. :-/
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That sound awfully lot like what the dudesons would do, actually I think Jukka was the one who actually did it if I recall correctly.
If you were an experienced tree feller you'd know that the tree wont move until you cut the wood that holds it there... that's why he moved his truck when he got to the phase of actually felling the tree.
When you're "starting" a saw cut...ALWAYS [ DRAW / PULL ] your saw to start cutting.... even in woodworking... carpentry 101..
Not on american saws you don't!
700,000 views and you didn't show the money shot? WTF? I wanted to see the magic moment that it blew apart.
Hi- Lift Jack's are prone to having the foot squirt back towards you. Dad told us that every time we used one. Never stand directly behind one when it has weight on it. And consider wedging, or pegging, or chaining it.
The worst method of falling a tree i have ever saw
That poor high lift :( my butt puckered when you put your body over it. I caught a jack handle with my face doing something similar. They're really moody jacks those ones
hydraulic jack works much better, but you had to try it 💪💪😉
Now we know how don't do it, that's great, thanks to share your experience!!!
Question: What do you do for work? How do you make money? Or do you live without money and purely homestead?
Brian Reeves He makes money because he has a million subscribers TH-cam have to pay him for He is also a homesteader.This is a year later and he will advertise anything and everything companies ask of him .I loved his channel but he sold his soul.
he made his money working as a wildland firefighter for the forest service and a contractor before utube, if you can believe it.. lol.
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well, it can't be by felling trees 😂 😂 😂
Why wouldn’t you just cut it and fell it?? 👀👀👀
Not even considering the tree cutting how careless is it to have your truck parked there? 40-50% of the tree is cut and the truck is parked 10 feet away. Hello??
this is really how it was done a hundred years ago? Is that what you said? That's seems unlikely.... oh, and just plain foolish.
You are correct. Please for the love of god do not try any of this bs on your own.
I know this is going to sound controversial but why not just use one of the chainsaws you've peddled in the past .This was stupidity.
You didn't chop far enough into the tree on the back side therefore the hinge wood was way too thick
A hundred years ago Grandpa would have said get the ax and keep on chopping it until it falls down what good is a jack when they can't get the job done use the axe "Use A Axe!" I think that's what ax are made for to chop down a tree??? Keep on going son you're halfway there and don't forget to put on your thinking cap!👍
It always amazes me that this guy comes across as an amateur when doing most tasks.. yet has such an amazing set up!!
Actually he's got the amateur manner down pat. Like a boy scout making a nice teepee o sticks tp make a fire.
Lol you muppet. Not sure what the reasoning behind this experiment was, but I actively support it! Haha :)
Just watched the previous video, makes more sense now! :)
the industrial ones work wonders but fuck are they heavy
Nothing like learning the hard way how NOT to do something, hah.
I wanna see the jack break
me too
he probably didn't show it because he usually doesn't put fowl language in his videos
is it too hard to mute sound?
One could see that base part failing right when the jack was placed in with just the tip of it's base supported. Though i was betting on the pin to give way.
I could swear that my dad tried something like this, over thirty years ago. He was using a chainsaw, not an axe, though. He only did it once. Thereafter, if he wanted to guarantee that the tree fell in a particular direction he'd get a rope up high on the tree then have us pull while he made the final cut. Once it started falling, we ran. Usually worked quite well! No one ever got hurt!
EDIT: These were much smaller trees, tough. Maybe 8" in diameter at most.
At 9:38 minutes I told my wife you were going to break your jack. Those cast iron peaces wont take that much pressure.
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The truck is parked to close to the tree I think? Good to see how it was done before the chain saw
How about using a butter knife and an old skate key? WTH?
Enjoy your channel, keep it up.
I guess if you want to put in the effort to do more work to be more dangerous, he's on the right path!
Good video from Wranglerstar as usual. What I learned from this, as far as the use of a jack is to not try to exert maxim force all at once. Instead, a person should go easy, and gradually apply pressure and "persuade" the tree to lean. This keeps the feller within safe parameters. Good job. Sorry about the jack.
I gave myself one heck of a shiner, cutting below my eye and cutting my nose, even though I had worked with an old farm jack numerous times, because I did not have a firm grip on the handle and my hand slipped off that 4' jack handle and it flew back up into my face which was above the handle as I was trying to hurry to get my tractor lifted. That honestly was the hardest I had ever been hit in my life and it left me semi stunned for a couple minutes.
Those hard knock lessons often stick with us as the best teachers... IF we live through them.