In the 90s we in Serbia had rampant inflation due to war and sanctions, which is why all people suddenly got very poor. But before that most people were middle class and had normal lives.
Its not just a question of poverty. In Toronto for instance if you make the median salary which is around 50K a year which after taxes leaves you with 3000 per month. Yet the average monthly rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in Toronto is 2500 per month. In order to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in Toronto you need at least 4500-5000 a month after taxes, that's a 80-90K salary per year before taxes. That's considered a good salary in Toronto. I.e. that's what many university educated professionals (engineers, accountants etc...) in Toronto are making.... People in Serbia cannot wrap their heads around this. All they care about is how high the monthly salary in Canada is. They totally ignore the equally high cost of life.
Yup, I am a Serb living in the U.S. for most if my life, since I was 6 years old. Today I live in California and I can truthfully say it's extremely difficult for most people to live a good quality of life here. Rent, housing is expensive, everything you make goes toward a mortgage or rent. Food prices have sky rocketed upward, insurance rates going up every year these days. The culture is insanely woke and divisions between people are wide. Most practice self censorship do to the political climate these days, i see nothing changing. I worry mostly about my children, America is no longer America, even regular Americans sense something is seriously wrong here. I remember Yugoslavia, my family farm, family dinners and honestly a good childhood. If I were a Serb, living in Serbia today, I would think twice, three times and more before even embarking to come to the U.S. why allow the chance of your children one day losing their identity, culture, language, and beautiful history. The American dream is only a dream, then you wake up and realize your whole life is work, home, back to work and home again.
You can easily lower your "cost of living" (rent specificaly) by moving out of the center of Toronto,but you can not start earning 7,000 a month in Belgrade. You WANT to pay 2,500 to be there. That's ridiculous comparison. I live in the Netherlands (very expensive country) and it's easy to find nice appartements for around a 1,000 per month except in the "Amsterdam centraal". You want to live in the center of a big city,you pay. But you don't HAVE TO. Stop moaning. I have a lot of friends living in the USA and NOBODY pays more than 1,500 for the appartement -- they all live in the suburbs of big cities. I expect that someone earning a million per month can complain about living on the 6th floor of Waldorf Astoria for 100,000 a month is very expensive. Please stop. You can get an appartement for a 1,000 in and around every city in America but you just don't want to,you posh c*nts.
@@ms-jl6dl there is too much to break down here because no one in Canada can go get a 7k monthly salary "if they want it". Most of us are in our 30s, and are not doctors, nor do we want to be. Mixing up USA and Canada wages doesn't work. Calling us cunts doesn't work. What you're right about is being able to move out of Central cities. Mississauga for example, maybe. Same as going to Banjicia or Zemun. At least on minimum waged and careful financial planning, you can exist in Serbia. In Canada, minimum wage isn't enough to support minimal living. If you want proof of this, cone over to my tiktok and watch the video where dozens of Serbs share their Financials, and see how they're living with sovereignty, unlike any minimum wage Canadian I've ever met in 36 years
@@ms-jl6dl Doesn't work like that in Canada. First of all very few people here make 7,000 a month after taxes. That's maybe the richest 3% or so. An average salary after taxes here is 3000 per month. 2500 per month for rent for a 1 bedroom is not for an apartment in the centre of Toronto rather thats the average rent across the GTA.An apartment in the centre of toronto will cost you more than 2500. A apartment in the suburbs, so say Missassauga which is maye 20-30 km from downtown toronto, will easily run you over 2000 per month. So yeah you're talking out of your ass.... Although i suppose you could find a cheap apartment in Moosoonee or somewhere else thats in bum fuck nowhere...
Me, too. I literally laughed out loud. Because... it's true! It's just that, they're not chasing you. You see, every town here has a number of free stray dogs. We like our dogs. We don't put them out, like in some cities where you can't see a free roaming animal, cat or a dog, because "it's not cool". There are services in Belgrade that vaccinate and neuter the street dogs, though, which is good. Anyway, 20 years ago when I was in last year of highschool, and first years of college, I remember often walking alone from parties at 3am, from one part of Belgrade to another, and there would always be these stray dog packs following me. I loved it. Although Belgrade was and is that safe so a 19 year old girl can walk alone late on a Saturday night, I still appreciated these four-legged gentlemen walking me home, they made me feel safer. Ok, they were walking near me in hope of getting food, but still. Sure enough, I'd keep my part of the unspoken deal, as soon as we'd pass by a 24h pekara(bakery-pastry shop) I'd buy those hotogs-in-pastry things. I'd eat the pastry, and give the hotdogs to the dogs. Cooperation between the two species coexisting in the city. We take care of them, they take care of us. No need for panic and fear. The stray dogs of Belgrade are our friends. 🧡
The poor childhood they refer to was in the 90s, during wars, sanctions and bombing. I grew up in the 80s and had a spectacular, care free childhood, the kind that rich kids in Canada have (minus the decadence, conspicuous consumption and lack of discipline of course). I never wanted for anything. We moved to Canada during the war, but what we didn’t know was that our lives would never be as good and that we’d never be as well off or as happy as we were back home before the war. My mom and dad went from being doctor and lawyer to receptionist and construction worker. Three decades and expensive and useless CPA, MBA degrees for me later and life is still a struggle. Canada is a cold, cruel, hard place that doesn't have much good to offer, if anything at all. I know that I'm serving a life sentence without parole and every day I wake up a little angrier at what was done to my country, my people, my family and me.
Your story sounds similar to mine. Except that I took that plane back. The only electric fence is the one in your head. Here. I just signed your parole papers. You're free to go now. 🍀☀️
@@miovicdina7706 Hvala na podršci Dina. Da li si srećna u Srbiji? Čime se baviš? Ne znam kako da se preselim i čime da se bavim a da mogu da nastavim da otplaćujem dugove u Kanadi plus da imam dovoljno za troškove u Srbiji 🤷🏼
@@XYZOxyz "Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go, I sold my soul to the company store...", eh? Ja, da. Jesam i srecna i zadovoljna. A sad, ja sam prevodilac za medjunarodne organizacije pa je i plata adektvatna, a i moj dragi dobro zaradjuje, mozda da sam klasicna sekretarica, i single, mozda ne bih bila tako opustena. Ma, cekaj, kad razmislim, u pocetku, kad sam se vratila, nista od toga nisam imala, a bila me tako pukla emocija od toga kakav je ovde nacin zivota, medjuljudski odnosi, sve bolje, intenzivnije, da sam bila srecnija nego sad! Probably da vidis mozes li da imas neki medjunarodni biznis ovde. A opet, imam druga, nas, vratio se iz Vancouver a, otvorio ovde skolu stranih jezika, ima sad i u drugom gradovima ne samo Bgd. On nije filolog kao ja,ali prosto je iskoristio to sto je kanadjanin da pokrene taj biznis. Da otvoris pekaru, pa ako ti dobro ide uzivaces u zivotu ovde. A sad za dugove u Kanadi...Ne znam, razumem da nije lako. Ja sam u nekom trenutku u T.O. shvatila, ili cu sad da se zaduzujem ovde i imam taj predvidivi zivot "u masini" u narednih 20 godina dok sve ne otplatim, ili cu da idem nazad kuci, svojoj baki, svojim drugarima, da budem materijalno "siromasnija", ali emotivno srecnija. Dobro sam izabrala. Ovde nisam nesto imucna u smislu na taj zapadni opsednuti nacin. A u Kanadi bih do sada imala kucu sa bazenom i secanje na zadnjih 20 godina nicega. Svako ima svoje vrednosti, svoju valutu, koja ga "kupuje". Ove "godine intenzivnih druzenja" je moja. Ne znaci da bi ti ili neko drugi bio zadovoljan mojim nacinom zivota. Mislim da svako mora da zaroni u sebe i proceni sta su mu najdublji licni prioriteti, I onda da act accordingly. Plus ako mi treba, eno super renovirani bazeni sa kaficima svuda po gradu, 400 dinara ulaz, 4 CDN dolara. Idem skoro svaki dan leti, uvek sretnem nekog koga znam iz kraja, iz srednje, itd. Pa nisam valjda onda luda da zrtvujem mladost za moj licni prazni bazen u Oakville-u? 😁
@@miovicdina7706 Haha! Sjajno! Kad si se vratila i posle koliko godina u Kanadi? Nažalost, računi ne prestaju da stižu bez obzira ko zove, to je realnost. Kapital je potreban da se pekara ili bilo šta drugo započne/rizikuje. Škola jezika je dobra ideja, ne treba puno ulaganja na početku, ali pretpostavljam da ih sada ima mnogo. Nema ovde nikakve opsednutosti i niko od nas nema kuću sa bazenom, ne možeš to da kupiš za manje od $5m. Možda si davno otišla pa ne znaš, ali teško se živi. Kako vidim, naši uglavnom iznajmljuju stanove (neki od stare imigracije su uspeli nešto da kupe kad su cene bile mnogo niže, ali ne kuće sa bazenima ni tada, dok je sada nemoguće i jednosoban stan kupiti), tako da nisi ništa propustila niti mislim da si materijalno siromašnija s obzirom na dobar posao i verovatno manjak dugova; čak šta više, moguće je da bolje živiš nego većina naših ljudi u inostranstvu. Pametnu si odluku donela i na vreme si je donela, što je najbitnije. Ali neće svima tako kockice da se slože kad žele, neko bi zbog nepromišljenosti bankrotirao i ostao gladan. Svako dobro u Srbiji, možda ćemo da se upoznamo jednog dana.
@@XYZOxyz Ako smijem sugerisati... trenutno je situacija takva da je real estate otisao u nebesa. Ako imas otplacenu kucu ili veci dio kredita otplacen (moras na papir staviti kada bi sve prodao, kredit isplatio, sa koliko para raspolazes na kraju). Mislim da bi suma bila solidno velika, barem onoliko velika koliko bi ti bilo potrebno da nesto pokrenes dole. Ko se ne odvazi, taj nece znati. Naravno, za ovakav jedan korak treba smjelost, jako dobar plan, razradjen finasijski plan kojeg ces kao vojnik postovati (i kada bi imao pola miliona dolara, svih pola se mogu na gluposti potrositi ako se samo malkice opustis... ovo je jako bitna stvar koju bi trebao imati ugraviranu u mozak jer mislim da smo svi iskusili da smo imali neku sumicu novaca, koju smo mic po mic sve potrosili jer covjek je takav da moze i pola miliona dolara mic po mic nha gluposti potrositi).
Yeah, grass is "usually greener " in someone else's yard. I know that isn't that way in some of countries anymore. You need to learn to chill around here. Relax.
I think the serbian view of the west is changing rapidly, mostly thanks to the internet. A lot of older generations still see it either as a land of opportunity or they hate the US for bombing us, but for younger folk, meaning 40 and under, we hear every day of western issues and I'm pretty sure that a fair chunk of the population wouldn't go to live in America even if they paid us. It's become too unsafe and too alien, especially when you consider the serbian identity, what makes serb a serb. the west is too restrictive, too expensive, too work-oriented, and every sign and ad and billboard just screams CONSUME! at you. Plus, i know some people who went there and deeply regretted it. And all of that is just the surface, without even considering the deeper problems. Now, granted, we hear a lot less about Canada because it seems like nothing so drastic happens there, or maybe that's what it seems like, and the shitshow that is the US is drawing away all the attention, so maybe people just hear about high payments, and think that the cost of living cannot be that bad, since Canada is a massive, developed country. There is also a difference between what modern serbs want vs what the serbs in the 90s wanted, cuz those ppl were running away from the war, they left forever. Most people who consider leaving plan to make some money and come back to start a business here, as far as I've heard. All in all, it's a complex matter, but yeah, it does seem that everywhere is proportionally the same these days.
In the 90s we in Serbia had rampant inflation due to war and sanctions, which is why all people suddenly got very poor. But before that most people were middle class and had normal lives.
Its not just a question of poverty. In Toronto for instance if you make the median salary which is around 50K a year which after taxes leaves you with 3000 per month. Yet the average monthly rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in Toronto is 2500 per month. In order to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in Toronto you need at least 4500-5000 a month after taxes, that's a 80-90K salary per year before taxes. That's considered a good salary in Toronto. I.e. that's what many university educated professionals (engineers, accountants etc...) in Toronto are making.... People in Serbia cannot wrap their heads around this. All they care about is how high the monthly salary in Canada is. They totally ignore the equally high cost of life.
This is a hard fact. That's it. Living in any city center is a disaster
Yup, I am a Serb living in the U.S. for most if my life, since I was 6 years old. Today I live in California and I can truthfully say it's extremely difficult for most people to live a good quality of life here. Rent, housing is expensive, everything you make goes toward a mortgage or rent. Food prices have sky rocketed upward, insurance rates going up every year these days. The culture is insanely woke and divisions between people are wide. Most practice self censorship do to the political climate these days, i see nothing changing. I worry mostly about my children, America is no longer America, even regular Americans sense something is seriously wrong here. I remember Yugoslavia, my family farm, family dinners and honestly a good childhood. If I were a Serb, living in Serbia today, I would think twice, three times and more before even embarking to come to the U.S. why allow the chance of your children one day losing their identity, culture, language, and beautiful history. The American dream is only a dream, then you wake up and realize your whole life is work, home, back to work and home again.
You can easily lower your "cost of living" (rent specificaly) by moving out of the center of Toronto,but you can not start earning 7,000 a month in Belgrade. You WANT to pay 2,500 to be there. That's ridiculous comparison. I live in the Netherlands (very expensive country) and it's easy to find nice appartements for around a 1,000 per month except in the "Amsterdam centraal". You want to live in the center of a big city,you pay. But you don't HAVE TO. Stop moaning.
I have a lot of friends living in the USA and NOBODY pays more than 1,500 for the appartement -- they all live in the suburbs of big cities. I expect that someone earning a million per month can complain about living on the 6th floor of Waldorf Astoria for 100,000 a month is very expensive. Please stop.
You can get an appartement for a 1,000 in and around every city in America but you just don't want to,you posh c*nts.
@@ms-jl6dl there is too much to break down here because no one in Canada can go get a 7k monthly salary "if they want it". Most of us are in our 30s, and are not doctors, nor do we want to be. Mixing up USA and Canada wages doesn't work. Calling us cunts doesn't work. What you're right about is being able to move out of Central cities. Mississauga for example, maybe. Same as going to Banjicia or Zemun. At least on minimum waged and careful financial planning, you can exist in Serbia. In Canada, minimum wage isn't enough to support minimal living. If you want proof of this, cone over to my tiktok and watch the video where dozens of Serbs share their Financials, and see how they're living with sovereignty, unlike any minimum wage Canadian I've ever met in 36 years
@@ms-jl6dl Doesn't work like that in Canada. First of all very few people here make 7,000 a month after taxes. That's maybe the richest 3% or so. An average salary after taxes here is 3000 per month. 2500 per month for rent for a 1 bedroom is not for an apartment in the centre of Toronto rather thats the average rent across the GTA.An apartment in the centre of toronto will cost you more than 2500. A apartment in the suburbs, so say Missassauga which is maye 20-30 km from downtown toronto, will easily run you over 2000 per month. So yeah you're talking out of your ass.... Although i suppose you could find a cheap apartment in Moosoonee or somewhere else thats in bum fuck nowhere...
I chuckeled when you said about the dog chaising part. Got chased by a lot of dogs. That was hillarious for some reason. 😂
Me, too. I literally laughed out loud. Because... it's true!
It's just that, they're not chasing you.
You see, every town here has a number of free stray dogs. We like our dogs. We don't put them out, like in some cities where you can't see a free roaming animal, cat or a dog, because "it's not cool".
There are services in Belgrade that vaccinate and neuter the street dogs, though, which is good.
Anyway, 20 years ago when I was in last year of highschool, and first years of college, I remember often walking alone from parties at 3am, from one part of Belgrade to another, and there would always be these stray dog packs following me.
I loved it. Although Belgrade was and is that safe so a 19 year old girl can walk alone late on a Saturday night, I still appreciated these four-legged gentlemen walking me home, they made me feel safer.
Ok, they were walking near me in hope of getting food, but still.
Sure enough, I'd keep my part of the unspoken deal, as soon as we'd pass by a 24h pekara(bakery-pastry shop) I'd buy those hotogs-in-pastry things. I'd eat the pastry, and give the hotdogs to the dogs.
Cooperation between the two species coexisting in the city.
We take care of them, they take care of us.
No need for panic and fear.
The stray dogs of Belgrade are our friends.
🧡
Dude the mention of the belt gives me falshbacks xD
I've been thrown UP stairs, and watch my bedroom TV thrown out a closed window. My dad loved throwing thing including me
My funniest memory is, being spanked by a wooden cooking spoon, :D well, till it broke on my ass and i got a harder beating hahaha
@@grom6791 Yeah, thats how it goes xD
@@grom6791 varjaca je zakon😄moja deca su je zvala MIRKO😃
Is it there any Canadian club or place where Canadians hangouts
I would love to join or create one here in Belgrade
@@CanadaChrisSerb Count me in! 🇨🇦🇷🇸
The poor childhood they refer to was in the 90s, during wars, sanctions and bombing. I grew up in the 80s and had a spectacular, care free childhood, the kind that rich kids in Canada have (minus the decadence, conspicuous consumption and lack of discipline of course). I never wanted for anything. We moved to Canada during the war, but what we didn’t know was that our lives would never be as good and that we’d never be as well off or as happy as we were back home before the war. My mom and dad went from being doctor and lawyer to receptionist and construction worker. Three decades and expensive and useless CPA, MBA degrees for me later and life is still a struggle. Canada is a cold, cruel, hard place that doesn't have much good to offer, if anything at all. I know that I'm serving a life sentence without parole and every day I wake up a little angrier at what was done to my country, my people, my family and me.
Your story sounds similar to mine.
Except that I took that plane back.
The only electric fence is the one in your head.
Here.
I just signed your parole papers.
You're free to go now.
🍀☀️
@@miovicdina7706 Hvala na podršci Dina. Da li si srećna u Srbiji? Čime se baviš?
Ne znam kako da se preselim i čime da se bavim a da mogu da nastavim da otplaćujem dugove u Kanadi plus da imam dovoljno za troškove u Srbiji 🤷🏼
@@XYZOxyz "Saint Peter don't you call me cause I can't go, I sold my soul to the company store...", eh?
Ja, da. Jesam i srecna i zadovoljna.
A sad, ja sam prevodilac za medjunarodne organizacije pa je i plata adektvatna, a i moj dragi dobro zaradjuje, mozda da sam klasicna sekretarica, i single, mozda ne bih bila tako opustena. Ma, cekaj, kad razmislim, u pocetku, kad sam se vratila, nista od toga nisam imala, a bila me tako pukla emocija od toga kakav je ovde nacin zivota, medjuljudski odnosi, sve bolje, intenzivnije, da sam bila srecnija nego sad!
Probably da vidis mozes li da imas neki medjunarodni biznis ovde. A opet, imam druga, nas, vratio se iz Vancouver a, otvorio ovde skolu stranih jezika, ima sad i u drugom gradovima ne samo Bgd. On nije filolog kao ja,ali prosto je iskoristio to sto je kanadjanin da pokrene taj biznis. Da otvoris pekaru, pa ako ti dobro ide uzivaces u zivotu ovde. A sad za dugove u Kanadi...Ne znam, razumem da nije lako.
Ja sam u nekom trenutku u T.O. shvatila, ili cu sad da se zaduzujem ovde i imam taj predvidivi zivot "u masini" u narednih 20 godina dok sve ne otplatim, ili cu da idem nazad kuci, svojoj baki, svojim drugarima, da budem materijalno "siromasnija", ali emotivno srecnija.
Dobro sam izabrala. Ovde nisam nesto imucna u smislu na taj zapadni opsednuti nacin. A u Kanadi bih do sada imala kucu sa bazenom i secanje na zadnjih 20 godina nicega.
Svako ima svoje vrednosti, svoju valutu, koja ga "kupuje". Ove "godine intenzivnih druzenja" je moja. Ne znaci da bi ti ili neko drugi bio zadovoljan mojim nacinom zivota. Mislim da svako mora da zaroni u sebe i proceni sta su mu najdublji licni prioriteti, I onda da act accordingly.
Plus ako mi treba, eno super renovirani bazeni sa kaficima svuda po gradu, 400 dinara ulaz, 4 CDN dolara. Idem skoro svaki dan leti, uvek sretnem nekog koga znam iz kraja, iz srednje, itd.
Pa nisam valjda onda luda da zrtvujem mladost za moj licni prazni bazen u Oakville-u? 😁
@@miovicdina7706 Haha! Sjajno! Kad si se vratila i posle koliko godina u Kanadi?
Nažalost, računi ne prestaju da stižu bez obzira ko zove, to je realnost. Kapital je potreban da se pekara ili bilo šta drugo započne/rizikuje. Škola jezika je dobra ideja, ne treba puno ulaganja na početku, ali pretpostavljam da ih sada ima mnogo.
Nema ovde nikakve opsednutosti i niko od nas nema kuću sa bazenom, ne možeš to da kupiš za manje od $5m. Možda si davno otišla pa ne znaš, ali teško se živi. Kako vidim, naši uglavnom iznajmljuju stanove (neki od stare imigracije su uspeli nešto da kupe kad su cene bile mnogo niže, ali ne kuće sa bazenima ni tada, dok je sada nemoguće i jednosoban stan kupiti), tako da nisi ništa propustila niti mislim da si materijalno siromašnija s obzirom na dobar posao i verovatno manjak dugova; čak šta više, moguće je da bolje živiš nego većina naših ljudi u inostranstvu. Pametnu si odluku donela i na vreme si je donela, što je najbitnije. Ali neće svima tako kockice da se slože kad žele, neko bi zbog nepromišljenosti bankrotirao i ostao gladan.
Svako dobro u Srbiji, možda ćemo da se upoznamo jednog dana.
@@XYZOxyz Ako smijem sugerisati... trenutno je situacija takva da je real estate otisao u nebesa. Ako imas otplacenu kucu ili veci dio kredita otplacen (moras na papir staviti kada bi sve prodao, kredit isplatio, sa koliko para raspolazes na kraju). Mislim da bi suma bila solidno velika, barem onoliko velika koliko bi ti bilo potrebno da nesto pokrenes dole. Ko se ne odvazi, taj nece znati.
Naravno, za ovakav jedan korak treba smjelost, jako dobar plan, razradjen finasijski plan kojeg ces kao vojnik postovati (i kada bi imao pola miliona dolara, svih pola se mogu na gluposti potrositi ako se samo malkice opustis... ovo je jako bitna stvar koju bi trebao imati ugraviranu u mozak jer mislim da smo svi iskusili da smo imali neku sumicu novaca, koju smo mic po mic sve potrosili jer covjek je takav da moze i pola miliona dolara mic po mic nha gluposti potrositi).
You should emigrate in Titos Yugoslavia then! If this is a trouth that your are speeking, Yugoslavia was Canada for Canada!!!
Yep. Yugoslavia was what Canada could never be and never wanted or tried to be. Canada is absolutely brutal, a cruel, cold, vicious place.
Well said!
@@XYZOxyz nemate mogucnosti da se vratite kuci? 🥰
@@SuzanaPaklar Nažalost ne još uvek, pokušavam već dve godine
Врати се :)
Yeah, grass is "usually greener " in someone else's yard. I know that isn't that way in some of countries anymore. You need to learn to chill around here. Relax.
Give this man Serbian passport a.s.p. He deserve it just for things he said if he ment it
I stopped glorifying Canada when Trudeau exposed its true face and turned it into a dictatorship.
This was the last straw, luckily. If it had not been for his evil, I would have been stupid enough to work until I die
If you spend some times whit neighbours of Serbia than is much complex to complete weiw about the state
I get what are you saying, but there is a big difference. You lived in a poor city. We lived in a poor country (there is no escape from it).!
I think the serbian view of the west is changing rapidly, mostly thanks to the internet. A lot of older generations still see it either as a land of opportunity or they hate the US for bombing us, but for younger folk, meaning 40 and under, we hear every day of western issues and I'm pretty sure that a fair chunk of the population wouldn't go to live in America even if they paid us. It's become too unsafe and too alien, especially when you consider the serbian identity, what makes serb a serb. the west is too restrictive, too expensive, too work-oriented, and every sign and ad and billboard just screams CONSUME! at you. Plus, i know some people who went there and deeply regretted it. And all of that is just the surface, without even considering the deeper problems. Now, granted, we hear a lot less about Canada because it seems like nothing so drastic happens there, or maybe that's what it seems like, and the shitshow that is the US is drawing away all the attention, so maybe people just hear about high payments, and think that the cost of living cannot be that bad, since Canada is a massive, developed country. There is also a difference between what modern serbs want vs what the serbs in the 90s wanted, cuz those ppl were running away from the war, they left forever. Most people who consider leaving plan to make some money and come back to start a business here, as far as I've heard. All in all, it's a complex matter, but yeah, it does seem that everywhere is proportionally the same these days.