Greatings from a Stuttgart fan ✌️ Just to let you know, Stuttgart is in a development process just as you are aswell. We have some games where we reach a similar peek quality to last year. The game against you was a game like this. You will likely see us more regularly dominating games like this in the near future. Our team is slowly finding itself. You are on a great way and Im sure you can take a big learning lesson out of this game. Its early in the season and the sooner you get leasson like this the better. Im pretty sure a rematch in a couple months would look much close than this game, maybe we took you by surprise. I wish the old lady all the best for the future!
Hey Beppe, I follow your channel for several years now and this was maybe the best or one of the best after game videos ever! Great job, the tactical and personal analysis was perfect. You are tackling the core issues and causes for bad performance, but at the same time calming the extremists who know only absolutes, which is unreal, and everything in the middle is reality. I completely agree with everything you said. I wish I could show this video to Motta and the players, its educational, constructive criticism and motivational. Top top top. Please keep it up and continue to add extra attention to the tactical analysis, particularly on the causes because that's really interesting as most people including myself don't have the capability to read the game and identify what exactly was the problem. But do it also when we win, its interesting also to see what we did and how we were able to outsmart the opponent and what caused our advantages and how we won a game. We all see lineups and formation but what we don't see is how that actually works on the field and why. Take care man. Greetings from a Croatian true Juventino from Ireland.
It's a Stuttgart tactic to keep the ball with the golakeeper until the opponent starts the press and then to quickly play forward since the first line of the opponent then is out of position. I think Motta recognised this and that is why Juve did not press Nübel when he had the ball.
@@Lukas-gc3wn the only thing we’re missing is finishing. Majority possession and 20+ shots on goal doesn’t matter if they don’t go in. We saw it against Bayern this past weekend and again the other day. Your goalkeeper was very impressive and I genuinely couldn’t even be upset every time he was able to magically save what should have been an easy goal. Truly amazing performance.
The team is young, they got their first taste of champions league football. Growing pains. Next time theyll know what to expect. It is still early days we cannot compare ourselves to inter either because their project is on its fifth year we are on matchday 11. Calma.
Completely agree. Motta will need to retool the strategy to improve offensive output since we couldn't even score vs 10 man Lazio and needed an own goal.
"young" team aint no real excuse against a team like Stuttgart. They're themselves are a young (2nd youngest in BL) team and their first CL season after 14 years of abstinence
Officially honeymoon is over. First loss, and now we will see how this team reacts. Its time to show some character now. Game against Inter will be tough, we might loose but not the way we lost last night. Loosing without even trying is not worthy of this team. Forza Juventus
I'm not an expert, but to me, Stuttgart looked like Motta's Bologna last year. Starting from behind, passing triangles, and high pressing. Hoeness defeated Motta with his own weapon, and maybe that is just what Motta needed to understand some things! Anyway, Calma, we will be only stronger after this!
I think a lot of the issues encountered was because of Danilo (not because of the penalty, the yellow card or the lack of challenge that led to the cancelled goal). With Danilo, rotation kind of stopped and we did not see Kalulu moving up the pitch. This was partly to compensate for Danilo and his lack of speed when falling back. The second source of issues was the midfield. Thuram, Fagioli and McKennie does not go together; you need Locatelli or someone to sit back and allow the other two to be more progressive. Great that these issues are being encountered early on so there's hope to get over these in the coming days.
Stuttgart fan here! Very very good analytics! Compliments. Buuut 😉one thing you are (imho) missing - what makes you shure that Hoeneß wouldn't react to the mentioned shift in the Juventus tactics? Because that is something he is known for. Of course he had games he managed really bad (Freiburg - Stuttgart at the first game this season), but that happens rarely. He often is able to adjust within the game, sometimes with different players, sometimes just adjusting the positioning of single players.Edit: I forgot - all the best for you and your team. I myself and a couple of my friends do like Juve very much!
I loved your take on how the game could have been changed from the 10th minute on. As you did on the tacticalpad, looking at the structure of the opponent, you could easily visualize a response to the opponent's game just by rearranging the players on the pitch. Amazing conclusion! Also, the triangles you've spotted that have blocked our wings is top. And the thing you said about stepping up and protecting Conceição. Spot on, Beppe! 👏
Great video! Really good analysis of the game and what went wrong. There was a point last season where we couldn’t understand what was not working without blaming the coach even when he was doing everything right, and this is the difference here. We can pin point to what went wrong and that’s important for improving.
Great video and totally speaking my mind. Just would like to add that in the few attempts we created, we were dangerous and tactically we were suddenly able to make space and attack. Anyways, yesterday was the game we've been anticipating. The shock was more that it was against Stuttgart, which perhaps we didn't expect.
I expected this at the beginning of the season as Motta is coaching at this level for the first time (Juve, CL and 2 games per week). He is also dealing with a lot of injuries so it is normal to have teething problems. Don’t forget Inzaghi had teething problems for the first two seasons at Inter and he had more experience when he joined them. I agree he was thinking about Inter.
Season is not built on 1 game - we had great games and yesterday was a horrible game - however, there are positives so far and so so much left- let’s go Juve
I agree we were not set up to deal with Stuttgart yesterday… this weekend will be much better and we will learn from that loss… even though we were not good we only gave up 1 goal and this is a small positives can take away with us
TBF This project not really aiming for direct impact . That`s why Juve appointed Motta not Conte who like to give younger player chances in many games . But indeed last night was tactical or system error combining with less experience in term of finding quick solution. Some coach will not wait until half time to change tactic or sub the player if in field those first idea clearly not working after 30 minutes . Hope Motta can find how to make his tactic more flexible every minutes , because once the opponent understand our pattern weakness , they will keep drilling it and you need to change it on the fly to avoid those troubles
Worst game of the season - perfect reason to have a great reaction against our fierce rivals - the way was horrible, now head up and we make up for it vs inter!!!
Im really concerned how clueless we looked against a "average" Stuttgart team. Since few games we have the same problems, we have way too less shots. Hope Motta can turn that around - its not easy as a Juve supporter since 4 years. But anyways still staying and supporting. Forza Juve ❤
The first issue, is thinking Stuttgart is average. They may be 2-3-2 and 10th in the German league but the are still a well coached side dealing with large scale change in the summer and a few injuries. Juventus has been mediocre as well with multiple goalless draws and an own goal win vs 10 men Lazio on the weekend.
@@isacksb serie ass tax, and 2 out of 3 aint that impressive, Villa have 3/3 and no one is calling them the best in europe. Only vs psv Juve dominated, vs leipzig and especially stuttgart they were 2nd best on the pitch
About the pressing of Stuttgart. I don't think this would've happened to such a degree of we at least had Gatti and Cambiaso on the field. Nevermind other players. I understand everyone takes Motta's word that every player is a starter as golden, however we must agree that some players are levels above others in this squad. And we were forced into this situation by injuries. You can't expect Danilo Savona and Cabal, with Thuram and McKennie to be able to play out of high press. What was worrying was how lost we looked when Stuttgart were shifting positions and kept being dynamic. Players didn't know where and when to cover/press
To be honest I'm so happy and confused in the same time because of Perin's extension. On one side I'm so happy because he is one of the best and he is extending with us in a 2nd, sorry co- goalkeeper role. On the other side I know he could be a no1 keeper for a lot of top league teams... I think thats what called loyalty, grinta or live for the shirt and FINO ALLA FINE! I'll not go in a conversation about the first trade of Di Gregorio, but yeah... PERIN, FINO ALLA FINE!
Truly look at the attackers of Atalanta, Stuttgart etc..how they fight..remember Mandzukic..attackers are just so relaxed and during the build-up they do little
The 433 was naturally stretching our cohesiveness into really thin thread on our defensive wings. So much so it left a handicapped situation at all of our sectors. IMO Mister was stress testing our boys for sure. It's like swimming training with breast stroke but with the legs just straight up doing nothing. I swear i commented the same thing in Allegri's era lmao. His DNA lives on lol. It was just risky it drained the physically and mentally. Danillo's case was like of Illing Jr for being too long at benchwarmer, the instinct kinda worn off. I could be wrong knowing he is at the end of his career. While I dont think 433 is feasible in this hellish season, in devil's advocate's way we need to test it sometime or another. Be well boys, rest well. I'll be there with stocked up instant coffee up and ready. Forza Juve!!
Stuttgart played an outstanding game, they were just perfect. Juve should learn from this and maybe also learn a thing or two from Stuttgart and we know that Juve will fight back.
I did put a maximum of likes (well, 1 like)! Was miserable the whole day at work but shaking it off. 9:17 I like this - does not erase or excuse last night's sh*tshow but indicates enough self awareness that he did something wrong, and hopefully willingness to revisit his approach.
The best we could have achieved is a draw yesterday.....so only one point lost.....we were never going to not lose a game this season, so the boys need to pick themselves up and go again ....forza juve
They wanted it more than Juventus wanted it. I think Motta did right by keeping Cambiasso Locatelli and Gatti on the bench if he play tired players it is more likely to get them injured. At the moment as a whole the team needs to understand if they are stronger physically and it is more likely to concede they need to park the bus and make long balls for wide players to attack with the quality they got. The fouls on the Chico at the beginning should not let have gone unheard.
Im not mad of the loss but im mad with the way we lost. We were outplayed and outclassed from Stuttgart. The pace was very slow. I dont know what to say man and i hope we see a different game next match.
I think this the fourth time I'm complaining about TM's subs. Now there's a solid case of subs being one of his weaknesses. Very questionable starting lineup too with unfit McKennie and Danilo. Both players and coach thought about the next game more than the current one, and that should never happen. The pros continue to far outweigh the cons, but after a lot of improvements in short time, the growth stalled. We need more improvements. Game management and more directness and less predictability in attacking third are the biggest opportunities for growth IMO.
Yesterday was a shitshow,an absolute domination but there is good things we can take from this defeat and one of them is maybe we can try weah as right back because his speed makes it easier for him to overlap on the wing and put crosses in He isnt skilfull enough to play as an attacking winger but fast enough and technical enough to play as a right back granted he improves his defensive side more..we should try him in serie A against weaker sides
Stuttgart had a much better game plan. Attack Mckennie and Savona deep in which not only Fagioli but also Concencao had to come back and help leaving little for any kind of counter attack with Dusan isolated. Dusan is not got 1v1 which showed on that long ball he got from Fagioli in the first half. We should have put Fagioli in Mckennie spot and had Loca playing back.
I love JUVE, & am trying to stay positive. Because Motta is a new coach with few experiences. I can say that Motta learned how to coach, had some ideas so hes trying to realize em, then he leveled up from 40 (bologna) to level 120 (juve), then he faced the reality that it doesn't lean on math tactics always... theres some big games where "coach studies" will not work, big hard and complicated games needs a lot of urgent decisions & impovisations unfortunately Motta will learn it at Juve. We waited so much for this year I hope Motta will find the rockets quickly and take off. FINO ALLA FINE
greetings from STR don‘t forget we are the reigning „Vize-Meister“ of the Bundesliga. :) it‘s not by chance 👍🏻 Hönes is getting the most out of a team that for 2 seasons in a row has lost most of it‘s best players.
I also thought the same, the players know they need to play inter this weekend. And yes this is a young Juve with so many changes so calma indeed. I'm definitely more intrigued in watching this Juve over Allegri's Juve so as a fan I am pleased. I don't blame Allegri for boring football either, last year we supposed to have Pogba but the court decided to trash one of the biggest talents in the sport. I don't have super high expectations, there is a lot to still be done. I have no doubt the team will want to respond to inter. Yildez thats a 10 on your back. When ever I think like Del Piero on the field I feel super human and I perform above my ability he needs to continue to instill that in himself.
even if it sounds stupid but it might be good that we got a reality check like yesterday . stuttgart was really but we allowed them way too much on the field and got completely dominated ( at our home !). Like you said motta is doing really well with this squad considering he is a few months here but there is still a lot work to do and we really need some reinforcements in the next mercato
Beppe I'm extremely bitter we played so bad I am very upset that Danilo started I understand that gatti needs rest for inter but Danilo hasn't started for juve for a while but to look at the good side we have a Fantastic back up goalie perin Fantastic and king kalulu was great we should sign him
Unfortunately, I am not doing well after yesterday's loss. This is not because we lost but because of the poor performances of our last games. We barely score a goal, unless it is a penalty or an auto goal. This is surely not acceptable. How can we face Inter with such a performance? We have all critisized harshly and rightly so the way Allegri managed Juventus for the last few years and I would not like to see the same issue happening again. There seems to be no idea of how we play and we definitely do not have any player with the likes of Higuain or Trezeguet who are capable of constant scoring. There is no continuity. It's only a different formation and change of players game after game. No continuity. I beg to differ that this season our objection is not to win any trophies. This is only an excuse. Juventus objectives have always been to win against every team we face.
G😊😊d afternoon Beppe. Excellent analysis. The reality is a loss is part of the game and it had to happen at some point. The issue is despite the come back against Leipzig, they and VFB are not even the top German sides. Against Bayern it could have been 0-6. Motta needs time given the huge step up and the new players brought in some with no Serie A experience. But the overall blame is on Giuntoli. He is no Beppe Marotta. Overpaid on every player including Luiz and Koopmeiners but the Kalulu deal looks great. Nico Gonzalez is not an upgrade and the truth is Juve should have gone with Conte. Motta's Bologna didn't score much more than you last season and he was fast tracked for the wrong reasons. A younger face than Allegri but the same ideology. It seems the Emperor could have no clothes. This Sunday, full Inter dominance and maybe 4-6 goals for us. Forza Inter!!!
Actually our squad depth is not great and to think otherwise is foolish... What Giuntoli said about our squad being complete is total hogwash and we need all the help we can get with the amount of games that we have tis season... At least allow Pogba to continue until the end of the season and also we need a clinical striker as well as a solid defender to slot alongside Gatti (selling huijsen is a mistake and after missing out on Calafiori, we really need to splash some cash in January)... Squad depth is what worries me most... This team can play and win games and they are practically quite new to each other's playing style so once that understanding is there we will be the best team in the land and possibly Europe as well
Here many fans rate certain players very high but they are just average , fagioli , danilo , danilo has past it , Fagioli lets be real the guy is said to be very good world class but that barely reflects on the pitch , then we have so many players who are already burned , Dusan , cambiaso , yildiz
Yesterday Perrin (what a performance!!!) didnt lose, only Juve. Bad performance and maybe bad mentality. Referee could have give them a red card (2nd yellow) for late tackle/slip on Kalulu and what about the push on purpose on Yildiz to the ads (he had a big mark on his lower back). Lets hope the defeat wont affect our qualification because there is a difficult scedule. Our Brazilians MUST wake up!!
BIG mistake from the last mercato, no striker arrived! Vlahovic is not to blâme, he is not a robot, all the best striker get some rest. We have no number 9, look at inter for exemple 4 striker 😮
About what you said about confusion: I saw a couple of times when Conceicao was out wide defending and he had to wave at Savona and sometimes McKennie to help him out. What was happening there? Why were they so reluctant to defend? Must have been some crazy gameplan by Motta if we abandon the right wingback position
Stuttgart forced that. Their wingbacks are very offensively minded and usually overlap with their wingers to create 2v1s on the enemy wingbacks, thats why
@Lukas-gc3wn Yes and no, but that's not what I meant. I just randomly picked a few minutes to rewatch in order to confirm my feeling from yesterday. 26:25 Conceicao lazily decides not to track the winger, although Savona is already occupied with another guy. No fancy play involved. After the following corner at around 27:10 McKennie hesitates to help Conceicao. Again, no fancy play, just a corner. 27:50 Conceicao receives a ball surrounded by Stuttgart players. Cabal for some reasons runs up the entire pitch. When Conceicao predictably loses possession, Cabal is way out at the wing somewhere. He sprints back to challenge the midfielder, so McKennie, Thuram, Danilo and Kalulu decide to just watch the ball. Then a pass to #9 and Perin deflects the shot onto the post. No fancy movements by Stuttgart in this play either. Yes, we didn't know how to answer to their tactics. But I had the feeling that the confusion made the players too passive and intimidated after a while, so they started making silly mistakes.
I can't help but think that the board was too quick and rushed to sell and buy some players. Especially ones that know and experienced Serie A, whether they were youngsters or not.
Beppe..sincerely..some players are not helping the team.especially vlahovic no pressure on the defender,goalkeeper, always retreating and even trying to win a ball upfront..disaster.
defense played great but when the offense couldnt do nohing they choked and went to excellent, our defense needs to be great forget the offense and get that draw. should be 4th and not 11th im new to the sport but it doesnt matter i watched italy in the euros and i see the same thing there go italy lets play great defense
Ciao: I wonder how a football player can be this much NAIVE, AMATEUR & NUT! Accident help Juventus to get rid of Douglas Luiz, another awful one replace him instead! I insist on getting rid of them ASAP! FINO ALLA FINE! FORZA JUVENTUS JUVENTINI 👊🔥🥇⚽👑🏳️🏴🤍🖤🌟🌟🌟
We need like 500m to spend, and we need like 5-6 world class players, and only then we can call ourselves Juventus. We are rebuilding and all of that good stuff, but we simply lack quality. Giuntoli did great so far, but god knows we lack high quality players. We have a a solid base now, the team is growing, but we are miles away from proper Juve. Can we ever do it again,like in the old days? Highly doubt so, we will never see the peak 90's and 2000's. The highest quality Italian players are starting to leave Italy, because no one can afford them. Serie A lost its magic, and we will have a hell of a time going back to the top. Miles away, freaking miles away. Arabs came in and they fucked up the balance we had. Man City and PSG shouldn't exist on this level. I don't even know how they can spend all that money and FFP doesn't exist. If Juve spent 10m more then they should tomorrow, we would be crucified the next day. I am disgusted with everything, I am DEPRESSED!
I think that formation was just not working vlahovich dint have a bad game but he dint get the ball once, the problem was in fact fagioli and yildiz, bro was taking terrible shots and fagioli was just not passing to conceicao my god why r u trying to complicate the passes so much just keep it simple
Rugani played for Juventus for a decade and never looked good. Danilo isn’t the answer but neither is Rugani 😂 We don’t have much depth ,but this is a squad currently working on a rebuild under a new manager, it’s normal to have weak squad depth at this stage of a rebuild 🤷 Our starters have been solid, our depth hasn’t been so great on the other hand.
Damn Beppe w gotta be scare of our next opponent …. Lille!! Going back to the game of yesterday that we lost fr I would have rather keep allegri w his boring game, at least it was a win or draw than this guy… 2nd lose in a row…smh bring BRACK El Mister Allegri!!! Cause this guy ain’t bringing up the joy of the Juve fans…
I've never seen us make so many incomplete passes. As you said when Douglas Luiz couldn't start, Fagioli should have taken his position creating chances & Thuram would have been perfect in the DM position cutting off Stuttgart's attacks. I attack and blame Savona because so many times in the game when Stuttgart attacked us down that flank, you would find Concecaio in the right back position and Savona lost somewhere in the midfield. This was infuriating to watch. He is not experienced yet enough to be playing games from the start for us. Every pass he made was misplaced, he never even was close to defending against the opposition attacking, and he looked scared the whole game, he was bullied. Yildiz cannot become a star by playing the same exact style of play, runs, one step over, cut inside. That's predictable amateur play. It's true we didn't serve enough passes to Vlahovic, but when we did, he was incapable of holding up the ball, he would immediately lose it. This game portrayed a lot of weaknesses we have and we have been brushing off these weaknesses in games won against Lazio and the draw against Cagliari, but yesterday it could not be hidden. The match against Inter will not be a good one with this mentality and tactical ignorance from Motta.
Motta needs to stop relying on Savona he has never been good enough for the team. Juv need fullbacks, an extra midfielder, a top striker and an experienced winger.
What I don't get and actually worries me is that we know the problem and motta has not changed a single thing in his approach. Also this team lacks a leader so much. Even a chiellini yesterday would make a change. ADP or cristiano would win his game on their own.
Beppe, not one word about the "stolen" Stuttgart goal? That they canceled their goal is a shame. VAR is ruining football. But we keep our heads up and move on. Matches follow each other. Fino alla fine❤
I would be pissed off if they cancel it to us but actually from the rules it’s correct to cancel it because he’s using that body part to carry the ball. Even if it’s alongside his body the rules are clear.
can't believe what happened last night this is not manchester city this is not the high level teams we can't accept this anymore please motta this is not acceptable.
I am much more frustrated with Danilo than with Savona. The boy is young 🌱 he will grow. Juve is a work in progress. It will take time but we should never accept not giving it 100%. On to the next one. Forza Juve!!!🤍🖤
Let's be honest it was coming we have been poor for weeks last Serie A game we were lucky with the own goal otherwise another 0-0 draw we have poor attack expect another loss against Inter.
hahah what game you talking about? the only atmosphere in that stadium came from Stuttgart fans. Only times Juve was hearable was they celebrated VAR taking the first goal and Millot missing the penalty. Oh and whistling when Stuttgart supporters insulted Juve
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Nico Gonzales is to blame, for getting Stuttgart promoted from the 2nd division
he is also the reason we went down to the 2nd division haha
Both are true😂
Greatings from a Stuttgart fan ✌️ Just to let you know, Stuttgart is in a development process just as you are aswell. We have some games where we reach a similar peek quality to last year. The game against you was a game like this. You will likely see us more regularly dominating games like this in the near future. Our team is slowly finding itself. You are on a great way and Im sure you can take a big learning lesson out of this game. Its early in the season and the sooner you get leasson like this the better. Im pretty sure a rematch in a couple months would look much close than this game, maybe we took you by surprise. I wish the old lady all the best for the future!
Maybe that's what you needed before your Inter match (we had a 4:0 loss against Munich 3 days before our match). It helped us to focus up!
Hey Beppe, I follow your channel for several years now and this was maybe the best or one of the best after game videos ever! Great job, the tactical and personal analysis was perfect. You are tackling the core issues and causes for bad performance, but at the same time calming the extremists who know only absolutes, which is unreal, and everything in the middle is reality. I completely agree with everything you said. I wish I could show this video to Motta and the players, its educational, constructive criticism and motivational. Top top top. Please keep it up and continue to add extra attention to the tactical analysis, particularly on the causes because that's really interesting as most people including myself don't have the capability to read the game and identify what exactly was the problem. But do it also when we win, its interesting also to see what we did and how we were able to outsmart the opponent and what caused our advantages and how we won a game. We all see lineups and formation but what we don't see is how that actually works on the field and why. Take care man. Greetings from a Croatian true Juventino from Ireland.
It's a Stuttgart tactic to keep the ball with the golakeeper until the opponent starts the press and then to quickly play forward since the first line of the opponent then is out of position. I think Motta recognised this and that is why Juve did not press Nübel when he had the ball.
Exactly, that 'luring press' is very dangerous for high pressing teams as Stuttgart is brutal on switching from defense to offense
@@Lukas-gc3wn the only thing we’re missing is finishing. Majority possession and 20+ shots on goal doesn’t matter if they don’t go in. We saw it against Bayern this past weekend and again the other day.
Your goalkeeper was very impressive and I genuinely couldn’t even be upset every time he was able to magically save what should have been an easy goal. Truly amazing performance.
@@dkk9819 yes we lure the opponent this way
The team is young, they got their first taste of champions league football. Growing pains. Next time theyll know what to expect. It is still early days we cannot compare ourselves to inter either because their project is on its fifth year we are on matchday 11. Calma.
thats the truth i think same
Completely agree. Motta will need to retool the strategy to improve offensive output since we couldn't even score vs 10 man Lazio and needed an own goal.
You are right but i think huge mistake from the mercato, no striker arrived!
"young" team aint no real excuse against a team like Stuttgart. They're themselves are a young (2nd youngest in BL) team and their first CL season after 14 years of abstinence
Officially honeymoon is over. First loss, and now we will see how this team reacts. Its time to show some character now.
Game against Inter will be tough, we might loose but not the way we lost last night. Loosing without even trying is not worthy of this team.
Forza Juventus
I'm not an expert, but to me, Stuttgart looked like Motta's Bologna last year. Starting from behind, passing triangles, and high pressing. Hoeness defeated Motta with his own weapon, and maybe that is just what Motta needed to understand some things! Anyway, Calma, we will be only stronger after this!
I think a lot of the issues encountered was because of Danilo (not because of the penalty, the yellow card or the lack of challenge that led to the cancelled goal). With Danilo, rotation kind of stopped and we did not see Kalulu moving up the pitch. This was partly to compensate for Danilo and his lack of speed when falling back.
The second source of issues was the midfield. Thuram, Fagioli and McKennie does not go together; you need Locatelli or someone to sit back and allow the other two to be more progressive. Great that these issues are being encountered early on so there's hope to get over these in the coming days.
Stuttgart fan here!
Very very good analytics! Compliments.
Buuut 😉one thing you are (imho) missing - what makes you shure that Hoeneß wouldn't react to the mentioned shift in the Juventus tactics? Because that is something he is known for. Of course he had games he managed really bad (Freiburg - Stuttgart at the first game this season), but that happens rarely. He often is able to adjust within the game, sometimes with different players, sometimes just adjusting the positioning of single players.Edit: I forgot - all the best for you and your team. I myself and a couple of my friends do like Juve very much!
This is the most important game for whole 3-4 years
It’s very much needed
We will talk about this game down the line
I loved your take on how the game could have been changed from the 10th minute on. As you did on the tacticalpad, looking at the structure of the opponent, you could easily visualize a response to the opponent's game just by rearranging the players on the pitch. Amazing conclusion!
Also, the triangles you've spotted that have blocked our wings is top. And the thing you said about stepping up and protecting Conceição.
Spot on, Beppe! 👏
Great video! Really good analysis of the game and what went wrong.
There was a point last season where we couldn’t understand what was not working without blaming the coach even when he was doing everything right, and this is the difference here. We can pin point to what went wrong and that’s important for improving.
Great video and totally speaking my mind. Just would like to add that in the few attempts we created, we were dangerous and tactically we were suddenly able to make space and attack. Anyways, yesterday was the game we've been anticipating. The shock was more that it was against Stuttgart, which perhaps we didn't expect.
I never expected this would be our first loss of the season but either way let’s hope we keep our unbeaten streak in Serie A
I expected this at the beginning of the season as Motta is coaching at this level for the first time (Juve, CL and 2 games per week). He is also dealing with a lot of injuries so it is normal to have teething problems. Don’t forget Inzaghi had teething problems for the first two seasons at Inter and he had more experience when he joined them. I agree he was thinking about Inter.
Season is not built on 1 game - we had great games and yesterday was a horrible game - however, there are positives so far and so so much left- let’s go Juve
I agree we were not set up to deal with Stuttgart yesterday… this weekend will be much better and we will learn from that loss… even though we were not good we only gave up 1 goal and this is a small positives can take away with us
TBF This project not really aiming for direct impact . That`s why Juve appointed Motta not Conte who like to give younger player chances in many games .
But indeed last night was tactical or system error combining with less experience in term of finding quick solution. Some coach will not wait until half time to change tactic or sub the player if in field those first idea clearly not working after 30 minutes .
Hope Motta can find how to make his tactic more flexible every minutes , because once the opponent understand our pattern weakness , they will keep drilling it and you need to change it on the fly to avoid those troubles
Worst game of the season - perfect reason to have a great reaction against our fierce rivals - the way was horrible, now head up and we make up for it vs inter!!!
Im really concerned how clueless we looked against a "average" Stuttgart team. Since few games we have the same problems, we have way too less shots. Hope Motta can turn that around - its not easy as a Juve supporter since 4 years. But anyways still staying and supporting. Forza Juve ❤
Juve themselves are average team
It was to happen
@@tonyg7990dumb comment. Best defence in europes top 5 leagues, 2 wins out of 3 in the ucl and third in serie a
The first issue, is thinking Stuttgart is average. They may be 2-3-2 and 10th in the German league but the are still a well coached side dealing with large scale change in the summer and a few injuries. Juventus has been mediocre as well with multiple goalless draws and an own goal win vs 10 men Lazio on the weekend.
@@isacksb serie ass tax, and 2 out of 3 aint that impressive, Villa have 3/3 and no one is calling them the best in europe. Only vs psv Juve dominated, vs leipzig and especially stuttgart they were 2nd best on the pitch
I can't think of any reason to unsubscribe to this channel...no matter if we win or loose, but maybe that's a generational thing 🤷🏻♂️
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About the pressing of Stuttgart.
I don't think this would've happened to such a degree of we at least had Gatti and Cambiaso on the field. Nevermind other players. I understand everyone takes Motta's word that every player is a starter as golden, however we must agree that some players are levels above others in this squad. And we were forced into this situation by injuries. You can't expect Danilo Savona and Cabal, with Thuram and McKennie to be able to play out of high press.
What was worrying was how lost we looked when Stuttgart were shifting positions and kept being dynamic. Players didn't know where and when to cover/press
To be honest I'm so happy and confused in the same time because of Perin's extension. On one side I'm so happy because he is one of the best and he is extending with us in a 2nd, sorry co- goalkeeper role. On the other side I know he could be a no1 keeper for a lot of top league teams... I think thats what called loyalty, grinta or live for the shirt and FINO ALLA FINE! I'll not go in a conversation about the first trade of Di Gregorio, but yeah... PERIN, FINO ALLA FINE!
Perfect analysis Beppe. Keep it up..👍
Truly look at the attackers of Atalanta, Stuttgart etc..how they fight..remember Mandzukic..attackers are just so relaxed and during the build-up they do little
The 433 was naturally stretching our cohesiveness into really thin thread on our defensive wings. So much so it left a handicapped situation at all of our sectors. IMO Mister was stress testing our boys for sure. It's like swimming training with breast stroke but with the legs just straight up doing nothing. I swear i commented the same thing in Allegri's era lmao. His DNA lives on lol. It was just risky it drained the physically and mentally.
Danillo's case was like of Illing Jr for being too long at benchwarmer, the instinct kinda worn off. I could be wrong knowing he is at the end of his career.
While I dont think 433 is feasible in this hellish season, in devil's advocate's way we need to test it sometime or another.
Be well boys, rest well. I'll be there with stocked up instant coffee up and ready. Forza Juve!!
Greetings from Stuttgart, you are lucky to have thatt keeper he is insane.
Stuttgart played an outstanding game, they were just perfect. Juve should learn from this and maybe also learn a thing or two from Stuttgart and we know that Juve will fight back.
I did put a maximum of likes (well, 1 like)! Was miserable the whole day at work but shaking it off.
9:17 I like this - does not erase or excuse last night's sh*tshow but indicates enough self awareness that he did something wrong, and hopefully willingness to revisit his approach.
In 3 years of allegri i didn’t see the panic that i saw from the 1st loose of Motta. CALMA we’ll be back stronger
How much did Allegri spend? You remember all the problems Allegri faced? And why bringing Motta instead of Conte?
Yildiz will continue to struggle
He is not a Winger he is pretty much what Dybala was
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Did we even prepare for the game?
Excellent dissection of the game. Agree 💯
This channel is great they will miss it. We have players who need to improve we have to be patient.
Best video of this year. Grazie
The best we could have achieved is a draw yesterday.....so only one point lost.....we were never going to not lose a game this season, so the boys need to pick themselves up and go again ....forza juve
They wanted it more than Juventus wanted it. I think Motta did right by keeping Cambiasso Locatelli and Gatti on the bench if he play tired players it is more likely to get them injured. At the moment as a whole the team needs to understand if they are stronger physically and it is more likely to concede they need to park the bus and make long balls for wide players to attack with the quality they got. The fouls on the Chico at the beginning should not let have gone unheard.
Beppe, glad that this happened in an "unimportant" game. Hopefully we will have a great growth from this.
Im not mad of the loss but im mad with the way we lost. We were outplayed and outclassed from Stuttgart. The pace was very slow. I dont know what to say man and i hope we see a different game next match.
I think this the fourth time I'm complaining about TM's subs. Now there's a solid case of subs being one of his weaknesses.
Very questionable starting lineup too with unfit McKennie and Danilo. Both players and coach thought about the next game more than the current one, and that should never happen.
The pros continue to far outweigh the cons, but after a lot of improvements in short time, the growth stalled. We need more improvements. Game management and more directness and less predictability in attacking third are the biggest opportunities for growth IMO.
Yesterday was a shitshow,an absolute domination but there is good things we can take from this defeat and one of them is maybe we can try weah as right back because his speed makes it easier for him to overlap on the wing and put crosses in
He isnt skilfull enough to play as an attacking winger but fast enough and technical enough to play as a right back granted he improves his defensive side more..we should try him in serie A against weaker sides
Stuttgart had a much better game plan. Attack Mckennie and Savona deep in which not only Fagioli but also Concencao had to come back and help leaving little for any kind of counter attack with Dusan isolated. Dusan is not got 1v1 which showed on that long ball he got from Fagioli in the first half. We should have put Fagioli in Mckennie spot and had Loca playing back.
I love JUVE, & am trying to stay positive. Because Motta is a new coach with few experiences. I can say that Motta learned how to coach, had some ideas so hes trying to realize em, then he leveled up from 40 (bologna) to level 120 (juve), then he faced the reality that it doesn't lean on math tactics always... theres some big games where "coach studies" will not work, big hard and complicated games needs a lot of urgent decisions & impovisations unfortunately Motta will learn it at Juve.
We waited so much for this year I hope Motta will find the rockets quickly and take off. FINO ALLA FINE
So he is inexperience and Juve brought him to learn the job right?
greetings from STR
don‘t forget we are the reigning „Vize-Meister“ of the Bundesliga. :) it‘s not by chance 👍🏻
Hönes is getting the most out of a team that for 2 seasons in a row has lost most of it‘s best players.
I believe that we should have Thuram to Mac Kennie's spot and Mbangula to Dougla's with Yidliz moving to the no10 position.
I also thought the same, the players know they need to play inter this weekend. And yes this is a young Juve with so many changes so calma indeed. I'm definitely more intrigued in watching this Juve over Allegri's Juve so as a fan I am pleased. I don't blame Allegri for boring football either, last year we supposed to have Pogba but the court decided to trash one of the biggest talents in the sport. I don't have super high expectations, there is a lot to still be done. I have no doubt the team will want to respond to inter. Yildez thats a 10 on your back. When ever I think like Del Piero on the field I feel super human and I perform above my ability he needs to continue to instill that in himself.
We shall see if that was what they thought
I know it's after and too late but Beppe is right we could've easily stayed with the starting lineup and changing positions
even if it sounds stupid but it might be good that we got a reality check like yesterday . stuttgart was really but we allowed them way too much on the field and got completely dominated ( at our home !). Like you said motta is doing really well with this squad considering he is a few months here but there is still a lot work to do and we really need some reinforcements in the next mercato
Now we have to beat Aston Villa or City and hope we will qualify for the knock out phase. Not to mention we have to play Benfica in the last leg.
I’m starting to notice they seem to get Slower and Passive each passing game
Beppe I'm extremely bitter we played so bad I am very upset that Danilo started I understand that gatti needs rest for inter but Danilo hasn't started for juve for a while but to look at the good side we have a Fantastic back up goalie perin Fantastic and king kalulu was great we should sign him
Unfortunately, I am not doing well after yesterday's loss. This is not because we lost but because of the poor performances of our last games. We barely score a goal, unless it is a penalty or an auto goal. This is surely not acceptable. How can we face Inter with such a performance? We have all critisized harshly and rightly so the way Allegri managed Juventus for the last few years and I would not like to see the same issue happening again. There seems to be no idea of how we play and we definitely do not have any player with the likes of Higuain or Trezeguet who are capable of constant scoring. There is no continuity. It's only a different formation and change of players game after game. No continuity. I beg to differ that this season our objection is not to win any trophies. This is only an excuse. Juventus objectives have always been to win against every team we face.
hard to believe Juve could play so badly, but there it is.
this Juventus team cannot compare to pre-2020
G😊😊d afternoon Beppe. Excellent analysis. The reality is a loss is part of the game and it had to happen at some point. The issue is despite the come back against Leipzig, they and VFB are not even the top German sides. Against Bayern it could have been 0-6. Motta needs time given the huge step up and the new players brought in some with no Serie A experience. But the overall blame is on Giuntoli. He is no Beppe Marotta. Overpaid on every player including Luiz and Koopmeiners but the Kalulu deal looks great. Nico Gonzalez is not an upgrade and the truth is Juve should have gone with Conte. Motta's Bologna didn't score much more than you last season and he was fast tracked for the wrong reasons. A younger face than Allegri but the same ideology. It seems the Emperor could have no clothes. This Sunday, full Inter dominance and maybe 4-6 goals for us. Forza Inter!!!
Actually our squad depth is not great and to think otherwise is foolish... What Giuntoli said about our squad being complete is total hogwash and we need all the help we can get with the amount of games that we have tis season... At least allow Pogba to continue until the end of the season and also we need a clinical striker as well as a solid defender to slot alongside Gatti (selling huijsen is a mistake and after missing out on Calafiori, we really need to splash some cash in January)... Squad depth is what worries me most... This team can play and win games and they are practically quite new to each other's playing style so once that understanding is there we will be the best team in the land and possibly Europe as well
Here many fans rate certain players very high but they are just average , fagioli , danilo , danilo has past it , Fagioli lets be real the guy is said to be very good world class but that barely reflects on the pitch , then we have so many players who are already burned , Dusan , cambiaso , yildiz
Juventus need High Tempo and ball control when they have the ball and High pressing when they lose it.
PERIOD
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Yesterday game as lesson how to deal with a team with high pressing and agressive football. That’s how Aston Villa and Man City will play.
Yesterday Perrin (what a performance!!!) didnt lose, only Juve. Bad performance and maybe bad mentality. Referee could have give them a red card (2nd yellow) for late tackle/slip on Kalulu and what about the push on purpose on Yildiz to the ads (he had a big mark on his lower back). Lets hope the defeat wont affect our qualification because there is a difficult scedule. Our Brazilians MUST wake up!!
BIG mistake from the last mercato, no striker arrived! Vlahovic is not to blâme, he is not a robot, all the best striker get some rest. We have no number 9, look at inter for exemple 4 striker 😮
About what you said about confusion: I saw a couple of times when Conceicao was out wide defending and he had to wave at Savona and sometimes McKennie to help him out. What was happening there? Why were they so reluctant to defend? Must have been some crazy gameplan by Motta if we abandon the right wingback position
Stuttgart forced that. Their wingbacks are very offensively minded and usually overlap with their wingers to create 2v1s on the enemy wingbacks, thats why
@Lukas-gc3wn Yes and no, but that's not what I meant. I just randomly picked a few minutes to rewatch in order to confirm my feeling from yesterday.
26:25 Conceicao lazily decides not to track the winger, although Savona is already occupied with another guy. No fancy play involved.
After the following corner at around 27:10 McKennie hesitates to help Conceicao. Again, no fancy play, just a corner.
27:50 Conceicao receives a ball surrounded by Stuttgart players. Cabal for some reasons runs up the entire pitch. When Conceicao predictably loses possession, Cabal is way out at the wing somewhere. He sprints back to challenge the midfielder, so McKennie, Thuram, Danilo and Kalulu decide to just watch the ball. Then a pass to #9 and Perin deflects the shot onto the post. No fancy movements by Stuttgart in this play either.
Yes, we didn't know how to answer to their tactics. But I had the feeling that the confusion made the players too passive and intimidated after a while, so they started making silly mistakes.
I can't help but think that the board was too quick and rushed to sell and buy some players. Especially ones that know and experienced Serie A, whether they were youngsters or not.
Perin - Before the price went up! ;)
Beppe..sincerely..some players are not helping the team.especially vlahovic no pressure on the defender,goalkeeper, always retreating and even trying to win a ball upfront..disaster.
Motta to blame and the players
Incredibly poor performance from Juve. Easily could’ve been 5:0
This was Savona’s 1st worst games and everyone is crucifying him! He’s only 19 straight from next gen everyone needs to relax !!
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defense played great but when the offense couldnt do nohing they choked and went to excellent, our defense needs to be great forget the offense and get that draw. should be 4th and not 11th im new to the sport but it doesnt matter i watched italy in the euros and i see the same thing there go italy lets play great defense
Maybe Motta think already about next match..VS Inter..
We need a good central defender to replace Bremer. Danilo can not perform anymore
We should of kept Rugani. He isnt fantastic but he is smart and composed
MOTTA OUT BEPPE IN BUTTON
Juventus had more offsides, so at least one category won ;-)
❤ FORZA JUVE !! FINO ALLA FINE !!!
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Ciao: I wonder how a football player can be this much NAIVE, AMATEUR & NUT! Accident help Juventus to get rid of Douglas Luiz, another awful one replace him instead! I insist on getting rid of them ASAP! FINO ALLA FINE! FORZA JUVENTUS JUVENTINI 👊🔥🥇⚽👑🏳️🏴🤍🖤🌟🌟🌟
savona is good for...nothing only meybe care about water...
Blame the coach. He has no balls.
We need like 500m to spend, and we need like 5-6 world class players, and only then we can call ourselves Juventus. We are rebuilding and all of that good stuff, but we simply lack quality. Giuntoli did great so far, but god knows we lack high quality players. We have a a solid base now, the team is growing, but we are miles away from proper Juve. Can we ever do it again,like in the old days? Highly doubt so, we will never see the peak 90's and 2000's. The highest quality Italian players are starting to leave Italy, because no one can afford them. Serie A lost its magic, and we will have a hell of a time going back to the top. Miles away, freaking miles away. Arabs came in and they fucked up the balance we had. Man City and PSG shouldn't exist on this level. I don't even know how they can spend all that money and FFP doesn't exist. If Juve spent 10m more then they should tomorrow, we would be crucified the next day. I am disgusted with everything, I am DEPRESSED!
Forza Stoccarda SEMPRE !!!
Motta to blame the subs changed the game to the worst.
I think that formation was just not working vlahovich dint have a bad game but he dint get the ball once, the problem was in fact fagioli and yildiz, bro was taking terrible shots and fagioli was just not passing to conceicao my god why r u trying to complicate the passes so much just keep it simple
We should of kept Rugani. He would of done better than danilo
Rugani played for Juventus for a decade and never looked good. Danilo isn’t the answer but neither is Rugani 😂 We don’t have much depth ,but this is a squad currently working on a rebuild under a new manager, it’s normal to have weak squad depth at this stage of a rebuild 🤷 Our starters have been solid, our depth hasn’t been so great on the other hand.
Damn Beppe w gotta be scare of our next opponent …. Lille!! Going back to the game of yesterday that we lost fr I would have rather keep allegri w his boring game, at least it was a win or draw than this guy… 2nd lose in a row…smh bring BRACK El Mister Allegri!!! Cause this guy ain’t bringing up the joy of the Juve fans…
I support a stadium ban on Sami Khedira
VfB Stuttgart!!!!!
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We are not ready for Ucl ,, very low quality of football !
I've never seen us make so many incomplete passes. As you said when Douglas Luiz couldn't start, Fagioli should have taken his position creating chances & Thuram would have been perfect in the DM position cutting off Stuttgart's attacks.
I attack and blame Savona because so many times in the game when Stuttgart attacked us down that flank, you would find Concecaio in the right back position and Savona lost somewhere in the midfield. This was infuriating to watch. He is not experienced yet enough to be playing games from the start for us. Every pass he made was misplaced, he never even was close to defending against the opposition attacking, and he looked scared the whole game, he was bullied. Yildiz cannot become a star by playing the same exact style of play, runs, one step over, cut inside. That's predictable amateur play. It's true we didn't serve enough passes to Vlahovic, but when we did, he was incapable of holding up the ball, he would immediately lose it. This game portrayed a lot of weaknesses we have and we have been brushing off these weaknesses in games won against Lazio and the draw against Cagliari, but yesterday it could not be hidden. The match against Inter will not be a good one with this mentality and tactical ignorance from Motta.
Motta needs to stop relying on Savona he has never been good enough for the team. Juv need fullbacks, an extra midfielder, a top striker and an experienced winger.
Motta just needs to give a chance to Pogba.
What I don't get and actually worries me is that we know the problem and motta has not changed a single thing in his approach. Also this team lacks a leader so much. Even a chiellini yesterday would make a change. ADP or cristiano would win his game on their own.
disaster and humiliation
Beppe, not one word about the "stolen" Stuttgart goal? That they canceled their goal is a shame. VAR is ruining football. But we keep our heads up and move on. Matches follow each other. Fino alla fine❤
I would be pissed off if they cancel it to us but actually from the rules it’s correct to cancel it because he’s using that body part to carry the ball. Even if it’s alongside his body the rules are clear.
can't believe what happened last night this is not manchester city this is not the high level teams we can't accept this anymore please motta this is not acceptable.
I am much more frustrated with Danilo than with Savona. The boy is young 🌱 he will grow. Juve is a work in progress. It will take time but we should never accept not giving it 100%. On to the next one. Forza Juve!!!🤍🖤
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Let's be honest it was coming we have been poor for weeks last Serie A game we were lucky with the own goal otherwise another 0-0 draw we have poor attack expect another loss against Inter.
Props to the Curva sud and the fans to keep a great atmosphere even in that situation🤍🖤👏👏
hahah what game you talking about? the only atmosphere in that stadium came from Stuttgart fans. Only times Juve was hearable was they celebrated VAR taking the first goal and Millot missing the penalty. Oh and whistling when Stuttgart supporters insulted Juve