pci predator catchers indianapolis they caught brian k pensom 54 for telling an 11 and 6 year old
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- I don't own this video it belongs to pci predator catchers indianapolis where they catch online child predators from hurting children #savethechildren Brian k pensom whom he believes to an 11 year old girl and was telling her to run away write a note and break the tablet and also her 6 year old cousin too as well
It’s so strange to watch someone’s life fall apart and be destroyed. Everything was “fine” just a few minutes before. Why, why, mess with children?
The way the lady didn't let him cry and whine his way out of being chastised is perfect!!!
Yep
She wanted all attention 😂she was screaming and not allowing the team to really focus on details or allow him to ANWSER 😅
@@lucylynnloud1159”BRIAN KEITH PENSOM, YOU LiSTEN TO ME!”
This Chris guy that Brian was talking to online needs to be investigated too what a sicko
They say he is dyslexic so he can't say he was reading 11 backwards 😆
Yep 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was an excellent comment🤣🤣🤣
Eleven = Nevele 😂
OMG!! One of the best comments I've seen!! lmao
This was the most intense and most disgusting catch I’ve ever seen! This was horrible! That dude has some serious issues
Brian K Pensom is incarcerated at the time I'm watching this video. He entered Noble Correctional, Caldwell, OH on 11/28/22 with expected release 4/28.
I hope someone gets him
He’s more than likely gettin his cheeks busted as we speak.
Damn 5 months that’s all??
@craigferrigno8711 yes
The fact that he'll be released in six years is very scary.
The way the family reacts is PERFECT. You see family stand up for these guys a lot of the time. But this family is not having it in any way, shape or form. Mad respect for that. PCI does a great job, as always.
Well said
Not at first
If you could understand humans and body language, you’ll realize that they are only acting this way because of the confrontation, and this is how society SAYS you should act, so they get all mad so they seem like righteous and good people. That lady yelling the whole time is 100 percent an enabler. “I’m sorry Brian, but it’s intervention time!” She said multiple times. You can tell Brian kind of runs things usually because of the “I’m sorry”. And the lady made another comment talking about how she knew about all of these females that he was talking to. But she acts pissed because that’s what a “good and moral” person would do lol. She’s just as shitty but obviously doesn’t want to seem like she’s in the same boat as him. It’s all psychological if you know how to read people. The lady is guilty as well, she’s known this has been going on.
I’m a bit more sceptic, she want them to leave them alone and ‘handle’ it. Believe they mean it, but I don’t think they will go all the way 😳
@@manifastation11 yeah but on April the 5th he got arrested for obscenity pandering involving of a minor 2nd degree 4th degree felony for 6 to 9 years
Brian said his “phone has been acting up.!” LOL
Yeah sure Brian your phone been acting up stupid head
Yeah sure perve
This catch was on February 19th, 2022. On April 5th, 2022, Brian was arrested and charged with one count of Pandering Obscenity Involving a Minor, a 2nd degree felony; and one count of Attempted Importuning, a 4th degree felony.
He's going be in jail for a long time for doing that to that little that is sick grown men are asking little girls to wear something inappropriate and write a note break the tablet and runaway from home he need help
@@lucylynnloud1159 He was convicted on 11/28/22 to 6-9 years in prison. He's eligible for parole on 04/08/28.
@@StumpyFroggy I would love to see the video of him getting sentenced. Bet he was crying that day!
Importuning, eh? You caught a dirty one here. We got a lot of those up here in Canadia.
@@teledan105 Not my catch. I'm just a random TH-cam commenter.
He went to jail so obviously he wasn’t mentally disabled enough not to be culpable
Every time Brian talks, it sounds like he's proud of what he did
Most definitely he’s proud sitting down crossed legged all Shallotte not with the care in the world. Because he knows he’s going to get away with it with his family there. I’m gonna yell at him for a while be upset blah blah blah, but they’ll get over it just have they done before and they’ve been doing for many many years. He’s family is very aware of him why they tried controlling him to prevent it cause he’s done it. He didn’t have a care in the world’ until he realized he the crew had to preport it. Then sister was oh my god what I’m do here how can I fix it.
1:02:56
He´s not really interested before they are talking about the police!
He sounds like a 14 year old brat sitting in an office chair spinning around in circles rolling his eyes😅
Interesting how he's being cocky and even had an attitude towards that family member and as soon as police came in he's crying like a child. So yeah, I hope he will cry as much as every single one of these poor children that have been hurt in these pictures and by that Chris guy.
This is unbelievable... Wow.
Thank you so much for doing what you do guys!!
This guy is so manipulative, it's unlikely that he would stop unless locked behind bars. The family seems like they cared enough to try and help him but they don't realize that they are enabling him. Why would he stop? He gets a free cell phone, free house to live in , free gas money that he is sending to girls online and a free bed to jerk off to kids in . I hope this pred. is in prison now.
@@paulb.5985 bingo.
@@paulb.5985 he’s in prison as we speak there’s a chance he might not make it out alive
@@paulb.5985he is with big Bubba there singing Roxanne together.
Lmao
I love that he tried to cry and say he was sorry , and she said NAHHHH and that shit dried up faster than it tried to come out 😂😂😂😂😂
“Charlene, don’t put things in his head! He says this shit to shit us up, that’s all it is!”
Those 2 family members weren't playing and taking no shit!!! Good for them
I wouldn't trust them either
This is possibly one of the most entertaining and satisfying catches I've ever seen.
I can't stop listening lol. 4 times in the last 2 days now
This one is rough. Not one time did he feel sorry about anything but himself.
One thing that got me and really wasn't talked about was what he was going to do with the girls after he got both of them. He wanted them to run away. He clearly couldn't bring them girls back to his sisters house, so what was he going to do with them after he had his way with them? He wanted them to run away so where was he going to keep them at? Was he planning on killing them after words. This is just very scary situation if they really were children 😕
facts.
They actually did ask him, his brother or whoever that was, asked him and that monster said he would've brought them back home 🤦♀️ but police will see all the messages and trust me, after all they will uncover, they'll go back to THAT thread and then they'll interrogate the crap out of him.
I remember seeing this comment on the original video posted on pcm lol
This guy hides behind his mental state…. Obviously he’s not impaired to that degree. He’s a pervert. And he wants a MINOR. He WOULD do it. He’s ESCALATING.
@@SRS677 💯
“That phone’s in MY NAME! _I’M AN ACCOMPLICE NOW!_ THANK YOUUuuuuUUuuu!!!”
People can figure out where you live
Okay, now the sister is really on board! “You’re not a preacher! You never were a preacher!”
I can tell that Terri has let some people have it before.
Eric and the ladies that work together are awesome human beings. I love them.
He was showing remorse for himself. His only concerns were for himself, for what he was going to lose. Not one word spoken in sorrow for the children involved, for what they have lost. Their mental well-being, trust in adults that are supposed to keep them safe, their innocence, possibly their lives in every meaningful way.
I feel for the family. My brother had a one off fling once, behind his gorgeous wife’s back. I nearly ripped his head off over just that & drummed into him what he could have lost. I dread to think what I’d have done, being a mum, in that situation. But I am pretty sure I’d be serving time myself. In fact I’m positive.
I'm glad you gave a wake up call
I agree. Being a victim of incestuous pedophilia, I hate all petals!!! FCK the petals of the world. Period. I as well as you, would be in jail if anything of a sexual nature happened to any of my three children!!! We have to protect our children from these freaks
FCK pedals!!! No, I don’t mean literally because they may like it too much but I do mean maybe with a baseball bat in their rectum or something that I guarantee you they will not like
Also family . The one I honestly seen concerned and sickened was the younger brother or nephew. Sister was more about her control trip
Yep these guys are monsters. My cousin worked for child protection in the police ( she now works for child protection in social services as having had 2 children herself having to go through the evidence of them videos was too much for her now she’s a mum ). She told me that a lot of these monsters think it’s no big deal. To them it’s just their sexuality it’s no different to being gay or something.
The damage that these monsters do to their victims is horrible. One of my best friends from school grew up in a care home because her mum’s partner was abusing her. I watched the most honest , loving girl battle drug addiction. She lives with me at one point and I would cuddle her as she cried herself to sleep. She ended up using drugs again and died from an overdose. I blame these monsters for taking my friend and hate them with a passion. They should be chemically castrated as far as I’m concerned. How these people filming keep their cool I don’t know.
An 11 year old….fuck man…I’ve got a pair of socks older then that.
I haven't seen this longer version since the police left. Thanks for uploading and exposing this monster
No problem parents check your kids devices
@@lucylynnloud1159 Stop acting like you do it for the children. Spare us that bullcrap. You started this web of nonsense that you are currently involved in because you saw other channels doing it. Monkey see, monkey do. You do this for views, you do this to feed the publics fear of the Boogeyman, you get paid off the views don't you? YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED! Stupidity is contagious isn't it?
@@lucylynnloud1159 Stop acting like you do it for the children. Spare us that bullcrap. You started this web of nonsense that you are currently involved in because you saw other channels doing it. Monkey see, monkey do. You do this for views, you do this to feed the publics fear of the Boogeyman, you get paid off the views don't you? YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED! Stupidity is contagious isn't it?
I really felt bad for his sister in this. You can tell in the catch that she was on the verge of crying a few times. I cannot imagine how horrible it must feel to know that someone in your family has committed such a horrible crime, especially of this magnitude.
Look how he pretended to cry and when she told him to stop, he did.
I love PCI, and this is the best catch that I have ever seen
All of these groups are awesome, and it was so refreshing to see the family not stick up for this monster. As a survivor of sexual abuse from when I was nine years old, I know firsthand the trauma monsters like him can inflict on people. I am 52 years old, and I still suffer from the mental scars of what happened to me back then. It never goes away.
I did not get justice in my case, but my justice is watching these monsters be exposed, and also, one less child is saved from a life sentence because of what PCI does and all of the other catchers do.
Much love, Trina from Dartmouth Nova Scotia Canada. PS, I’m totally blind and using voice to dictate feature, so I apologize if some words are misspelled. ❤️❤️❤️
60 year old survivor of incestuous pedophilia. Became blind at the age of 29 years old and was victimized around the age of 10 years old.
It’s so refreshing to see a family to react like this where they truly care about the evil going on here
And if you really love Jerry Springer Show 😉🙉
“BRIAN KEITH PENSOM, YOU LISTEN TO ME!”
Omg Thank you so much for uploading this! One of my favorite catches!
No problem
He was crying he got caught n exposed no remorse about the victims, if he didn’t get caught or locked up he would continue doing this over n over without no care in the world
He got arrested
Having parental controls on a 50+ year old is CRAAAZY 😂
Because he's up to no good. He deserves it obviously
@@AmberMeade-fv5nd Thanks Captain Obvious! That's what I'm saying like how out of control does one have to be to have your leisurely activities monitored like a child and you're 55
Great great catch guys .. amazing to see family reaction.. hope he’s put away forever .. asking them to run away !!!!
I’ve been watching predator catches since tcap and this is still my all time favorite video ever. I would nominate this for catch of the century.
Why
This was a great catch! That was a lot to take in! I’m glad his sister is around to try and help keep him in line. Thank you for serving the community! Creeps like this need to be exsposed and jailed!!!
Me too and her sister was worked up as well
But she started to make excuses at first looked to me like
@@georgeolinger198 He was being very careful to keep his family in the dark about these nefarious activities...
She wasn’t obviously doing a great job 😂😅
@@kalishakta yes because he had priors. Lots even he’s neighbors spoke how the sister knew about he’s sick ways and helped him. Trust me it’s all a act
Being sexually attracted to children is not on par with drug/alcohol addiction. There are no studies that I’ve found indicating pedophiles can stop offending.
As far as everything I've ever heard the recidivism rate is over 95%... that is insane...serial killers are lower than that...I believe people who are proven to be involved in certain acts deserve the death penalty... others should be banished to an island to fend for themselves
@@BodieB95%? Lies. There's no empirical data backing that up. That's what you HEARD! That's not what you KNOW!
It's a near 100% re offend rate
You can tell Terri has let a few ppl have it in her day!! Lol
“Charlene, he says this shit just to shut us up!”
She wants to talk about someone else's kids but why isn't she monitoring him? Sounds like even this guy needs supervised care.
You guys got a chance to just chill and let the family do the whole interrogation that was cool😂😂😂😂
Those ladies were awesome. I hope nothing but the best for them and wish nothing but the worst for this creep
He's an ordained minister, typical predatory...get in a position that will allow people to trust you...just nasty 🤬🤬🤬🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
He’s extremely dangerous. Pulse with sisters who back him up with their Passover aggressive behavior. I’m NOT BUYING IT! The sister is only acting like this to save he’s butt. Saying it won’t happen again ,etc. Claiming she knows everything & controls everything but he still manages to do so much evil. Of course he’s vet capable of evil bad actions. He’s family don’t want to see the truth about their nasty evil brother. He’s a pervert period.
He is beyond a pervert. He is a pedophile. I am a victim of incestuous pedophilia. I hate pedophiles!!!
Finally! A family that’s hold it’s member accountable instead of enabling!!! Epic catch!!!
I laughed when his sister said "Oh, 'mental state,' my ass!"
@DesGardius-me7gf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@DesGardius-me7gf yeah that was 😆
His sister is a G. Shes so logical and its very refreshing to hear her call out all the bs right on point cause she knows how his mind works and all his dumb excuses the moment they pop in his head
I can tell that his sister’s probably let a few people have it.
“You’re my brother, I love you with all my heart. But this is *FUCKING* ridiculous!”
My only complaint with this is the mother trying to put blame on the kids and also parents. If your constantly checking your kids stuff it will cause trust issues and cause problems. But this dude is disgusting
There are lots of parents that are oblivious to what their children are doing online. I think she was just reacting to the absurdity that a child has gotten this close to beein in danger so she wondered how the parents can let this happen. We can all agree that parents of a child is also a factor.
This is so dark
“Congratulations you just fucked our whole world up, Brian”
That phone is in my name I'm a accomplish now thank you
Yep he not only did this but he destroyed his family in the process..
@@nancysullivan860 well brian if I asked you to jump off top of the house and land in a small shallow pool would you do it?
@@lucylynnloud1159he absolutely would if there was an 11 year old and 6 year old girl at the bottom
Thank u for sharing this video. I saw this one and I'm watching it again on your channel, this is one of their best catches!
24:17 Brian is so annoying - "i´ll get the help" - he´s saying that, and think they´ll stop shouting - i understand he´s family - he NEVER learns! Love the reaction from he´s family! All the best to them! ❤
Asking him if he’d want another man doing this to his niece or underage family is pointless…of course he would. He probably already did.
Yup 😢 all the kids. Even the Neighbors spoke about him. He had priors & sister protected him.
@karlagarcia1851 do you know this family? Are you one of their neighbors? How do you know this information if you don't mind me asking?
Hello Lucy Lynn , I truly believe also if parents don't be vigilant of children online devices they should be charged with neglect, cause children can't look out for there own safety it's up to us adults to know right from wrong and give them spiritual guidance, please to All of us spiritual adults of goodness help save the children,thank you God bless you all 💯😇💯
I'm sorry but they are giving him an excuse by saying he's not in his right mind. He clearly knew what he was doing.
Yeah clearly he does know
Exactly and also blaming the child and parents. All these comments are praising the family but it looks like nothing but a show to me. Brian going to jail means they will no longer receive his social security check, the guy at the end saying "thanks a lot Brian, we are all going to be homeless now" said it all.
@@awesometownmatt9349are you vaccinated against Covid19?
I guess not! You're making a conspiracy against the family!
No they are not. They are just explain what 's happened. It's only you're idea they are defending him. They are not!
He needs to go to prison, not therapy. He will be treated like a queen amongst other prisoners 😂
This is why parents should check their children's devices and put parental blocks on their devices so they don't get on the dating sites
We need waaaay more vids of families holding the perp accountable like this. My blood still boils thinking about the catch that Protect the Innocent did where the mom was making all kinds of excuses for her chomo son.
facts. it also reminds me of the time another group caught a fat neckbeard, and his mom just acted like he made a tiny mistake, saying things like "oh you little rascal, you, you've been caught doing this before!" and then she got mad at the predator hunters when they said they were turning everything into the police and telling their landlord (I think it was predator poachers)
WHO DID YOU MEET AT BOB EVANS YESTERDAY 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Ohh my God this woman is blaming the kids. Really. She's acting like she's mad but she's really trying to protect this filth of an animal.
No she’s not shes blaming the parents for allowing children to do this yes of course its not the child’s fault it is the adult’s fault for talking to kids but shes saying why arent parents monitoring their kids phones
They absolutely just stopped a creep from murdering 2 innocent girls man hats off to them
This is by far the best catch pci has done in my opinion. The lady is so mad. So sorry for the family. Hope he is still in jail. Pos 🤢🤮 love your work 💚
He is still in jail he's got 6 to 9 years until April 2028
@@lucylynnloud1159Thank god almighty
Bro needs worse
I do not trust this family. I hope the police are involved. I'd be surprised if he hasn't molested family members or their friends.
I am not hearing they will protect their minor relatives. Asking if he molested any family members. It is quite common.
Recalling the story of the uncle, rping his brother's daughter and murdering her when she got a boyfriend. Others have also posted similar stories online.
Thank God for that lady. Brian knows what he's doing. He plays this disability crap.
Yeah he does Terri said I don't want the crocodile tears
@@lucylynnloud1159”Oh, ‘mental state’, my ass! Charlene, don’t put things in his head, because that’s how he gets outta this-no! That’s all it is. He just says that shit show we’ll shut up!”
Very evil dangerous sickos please catch them put in prison for life bring in harsher laws to pass castration and death penalty it will never stop
I’m so happy that there are parents and family holding their predator family members accountable
Props to her for giving up her life but who cares about him voluntarily giving up his life over distributing c.p.?! His life is over
This is a classic. The way he feels is how alot of victims feel. If he was a victim, he didn't have to be a monster.
wow, these hoots and hollers and cries added years to my life. this is THE best catch i have EVER seen
Great catch! This guy is sick sick sick!!! Thx for all you guys do
Thanks for watching!
Shanda is such a pro at breaking down their organization and explaining to the family what's happening and what potentially can happen.
Yeah she’s good but she’s no Alex Rosen.
@@Pedantic1953 Alex is extremely good when he stays focused and cuts out the unnecessary immature jokes
@@myssmichele I’ve commented about his lame jokes and bad puns.
@@myssmicheleWell, Alex Rosen has improved a lot sense the whole EDP445 incident.
At this point, I’m scared that Terri’s on her way 😂
“Don’t you start with me, MISTER PREACHER!”
this man is 54 and acts 13. mom causes this shit 40 years ago by not making him grow up.
It's more down into the teens and early 20s
@@lucylynnloud1159 see what I mean about the mental state! 😂
Do not blame this on his mother when he was 13. Do not blame this on anybody throughout his teenage years or early 20s. Blame it on him. The F in pedophile. He is the one to blame!!! FU*K Patos.
@@lucylynnloud1159I'm sorry do you know know this family? You seem like you know a lot
@MH-hm4ko no
Big sister is definitely a force to fear! Look at Brian’s hands shake.
Shut it I can tell by the look on her face
@@lucylynnloud1159 shut it ?
@@BelchingBeaver69 yeah when his older sister came in the door she was angry
Yeah... He definitely had her hand to the back of his face a couple times. Lol
@@lucylynnloud1159”Charlene, don’t put things in his head, because that’s how he gets outta this.”
A minister with learning disabilities turned pred? Jesus Christ.
I have a feeling that if I am ever arrested for anything, I'm going to end up breaking down and crying like this guy.
Watching videos like these as well as videos of people getting arrested for shoplifting/DUI makes me want to *not* break the law.
Sending an unsolicited butthole pic is crazy 😂
I feel..I'm not sure how I feel about this. Dudes 50 with the mindset of a 10 year old. This has BEEN a problem for a long time.
Thank you for this and getting him off the streets!.., His POOR mother!.., God Bless your efforts, the LORD will shine down on you and yours!
This family needs to know about WhatsApp. It’s an app that is for overseas people privacy. Once the conversation is closed it cannot be recovered. I believe that’s the way it works. It’s not an app this person needs
He has done this before who the hell randomly talks to a an adult about human trafficking child kidnapping with no reason they should know plus who the hell wants to see child Porn just because.
I'm pretty sure I don't want see it
Him crying about going to jail is gold Jerry gold.
Those tears sure shut off fast!!
Thank you for reuploading this I couldn’t find it
You're welcome
I know this was Very, very serious, and I thank you for catching this creep, but my word, he is a minister and the way they were swearing at him and threatening him I had to laugh. This was one funny family, the sister and her son. (I think) Threatening to go to jail for killing him and beating his ass, then a baseball bat? Then the sister was going to come and punch him in the mouth. It was almost like a movie. Sorry, but I couldn't help but laugh at the way they were acting. Now an intervention? This guy won't know whether to shit or go blind, when they are done with him. Good work goes out to PCI.
So thankful for the work yall do and the reaction from the family. Monster hidng in plain sight.
Minister, thats a shocker
"I'm so sorry he he he!" 😂😂😂
Shelly and Jared 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
18:09: Woman shouts "You've never done this before!" Um, lady, you had no idea he was doing it THIS TIME! See where I'm going with this?
He is a pedophilie like drake bell
@@lucylynnloud1159 I'm not sure if I remember Drake Bell specifically. I've probably watched several thousand catches. ❤️
I would like to be there on April 8, 2028 to greet him outside of the gate with a baseball bat.
Having an 11 and 6 year old run away. He was clearly going to dispose of them after he was done violating/rap*ng them and sending the pix to "Chris" they both complicit
Props to his female relative for correcting him and holding him accountable and taking her time to try to understand the situation fully instead of continuing to make excuses for him and disregarding them as an attack on her family. When she started talking abt her daughter and granddaughter….my heart dropped. I hope that family is healing from his sins.
And then the “this time” from her…oh man what else has he done?
He is buying gift cards that are scams
Props to the female relative, but we want to encourage Catching Channels to just focus on the Predator alone, not involve family members who do see attacks on their family when they spot journalistic corruption and attempt to defend their household. They don't deserve to be labeled Predator Enablers or Defenders for any all questions or concerns about the Channel itself.
Brian deserves every bit of punishment and stigma he gets.
@@nickprice7657 he needs to be punished for everything he did
@@lucylynnloud1159 He is in jail, and that's music to my ears. Just sayin'.
To the Family of that man your in my Prayers forever!!
Those ladies in Phillipines weren't using his money for bills. They spent it on birthday parties, vacations, and life improvements.
🤣🤣🤣
His an ordained paster!! What is sad is allot of pasters are like this and can be around children easily.. just fuckin horrid!!
Anyone can get "ordained" online through those websites that are basically just mailing lists.
I just found your channel. He’s a typical pred crying and not wanting to go to jail. Never once have i ever heard one of them say what their behaviour did to a child. Apparently they are doing firing squads now. 😊
Brian what's wrong with you!?
I ask myself that every day.
I wanted to see what happened after Terri showed up 😂
I feel so bad for his family
He deserves life in prison
This woman sounds like Thelma Harper on “Mama’s Family”. But seriously this is horrible…😞 I really don’t think he realizes the damage he is done here.
He's not going to be allowed to be back in the sister's house because she's got grandchildren that go to her house
@@lucylynnloud1159 she knew he’s priors and had been allowing before and during this taping . 🤷🏻♀️
@@karlagarcia1851interesting it's almost like you know them
He cries for himself. No tears for the victims. 🤬
His penis cried tears too :/
Of course not …..
ABSOLUTELY 1 OF THE BEST CATCHES EVER
One of my favorite ones. Thanks for saving it from being destroyed by TH-cam
No problem!
@@lucylynnloud1159Wont be long. All your videos will be taken down, and rightfully so. This crap glorifies vigilantism.
I saw this a long time ago ...but I had to watch it again to see his life end in real time🤗 that 2 second crying tho😂 I'm so glad they got him before he hurt a real child💯 because if he got his hands on those 2 little girls, I don't think they would have been seen again.....💖 PCI
ps....minister huh 😡 he's going to hell with gasoline draws on for this one💯
Me 2
So a quick google search shows he got close to 7 years in prison
I'm glad the mum stood up to Brian cause no one deserves to suffer the pain the mum suffered if I was the mum I would go upstairs and pack his bag and kick him out of the house because this is unacceptable and unforgivable
She was so annoying tho
It's his sister, their mum is dead
It would of been good if she had done that. But no she was acting for the catchers.
bro really said “it wasn’t no 7 year old” like it made it any better 🤨
I take back what I said before if the guy doesn't have his sisters password he can't go into her computer unless he's a hacker, which we know he isn't.