@@CheerfullyCynical829 yes, at first I was supportive of their relationship but then when Zelda started to be more and more important to Piper I felt like they would have fit very well, sorry for the vauseman shippers but to me, Piper should have been with Zelda and I completely agree with Larry's opinion on Piper
@@rubydreamt2440 Zelda was never important to Piper though. The fact that she slept with her on impulse shows that. She held on to Alex the whole season and if Zelda was so important,Piper would've stopped visiting Alex. She also would've went to Northampton for her but she loves Alex and wants to be wherever she is and that's ohio
This scene was needed. Both characters needed closure. You can tell Larry still kinda has feelings for her and resents her a little bit but this was an amazing scene. I’m glad that Larry and Piper got to talk things out and Larry got to express how he felt because what Piper did was unfair.
Chanel Joseph but what Larry did was unfair as well. Larry and Polly were her two best friends and pretty much the only people she had outside of prison. But he went and dated Polly and stopped talking to Piper, which left her alone. I get that they were in love but they could have at least still remained in contact with piper
I think that what Larry did in Season 1 was unfair too. This scene clearly represents the end of a couple that was not meant to be, even though they came to love each other a lot.
"I am heartbroken. And I do not know what to do." That part makes me cry every single time. Taylor Schilling is such a phenomenal actress and these two have undeniable chemistry on screen.
“I am not that self-destructive. I am heartbroken.“ - I still think about this line years later. It’s so stunning and profound and true of anyone who self sabotages.
Nah, she's a piece of sh#t thats evident because even before she was heartbroken, she was still destructive. We know people like her that always wanna be different and "special" so they do these outrageous things to feel that. He was 💯 correct about her
This was one of my favourite scenes actually. They needed more closure and honestly he wasn't THAT wrong about Piper. But Piper flips the switch in this episode by not leaving Alex when it got hard. She chooses to stay with Alex and fight for their relationship instead of reverting back to her old habits.
@@CheerfullyCynical829That’s what makes it interesting. I think it would have been 100% valid for her to have left Alex, but she wouldn’t have grown at all. Her choosing Alex when it wasn’t convenient or easy was a big moment of growth, even if it isn’t entirely the best decision overall.
Jose Vazquez Why do you say that? Alex lured her into participating in her drug trade, told on her out of vengeance years later, sent her to prison & then cheated on her causing her to reroot her whole life just to be near her in Ohio. What did Piper do to deserve that? She wasn’t perfect, but come on.
@@jessicamoore1314 No, she and Alex deserved each other. They're both awful people who literally can't function without the other in their lives. Even when they're fighting or being outright abusive. Maybe I'm just incapable of committing myself to another human being, or maybe I never got over my marriage to a person with jealousy issues, but this kind of obsessive love truly scares me.
@@jessicamoore1314 Alex was all alone and the CO took advantage of it. It was obvious that Alex and the CO grew close out of necessity and because she’s all fucked up and lonely since Piper left. Alex couldn’t say no to the CO because of their weird power dynamics. All Alex wanted from Piper was to choose to stay even if she tries to push her away. Alex isn’t a saint but it doesn’t mean that she doesn’t deserve good things and good people to be part of her life.
When Larry said “go do what new Piper would do,” she actually did do just that, believe it or not. Cause before Piper would have definitely gone with Zelda, especially showing what a great life she could have with Zelda. Her actually wanting to wait for Alex shows a certain amount of growth in her character. I’m not exactly saying it was the right choice, but it does make me respect Piper a little bit more since she’s actually now showing loyalty and a certain amount of maturity.
I totally agree. She doesn't give him a lot of credit but she was definitely in a pattern and if she went with Zelda she would be good for a few years... until Alex got out of prison and back in her orbit. But Alex has also been right that Piper usually ran when it got too hard to be with Alex. So her ending of sticking it out, not taking the easier option a la Zelda, and not returning to her WASP-y life is really the best thing Piper has done in the show. I spent a lot of time in the show really detesting her character but am geniunely happy about how they wrapped up her story.
I think it was showcasing that she made the wrong choice because everyone was telling her not to make that choice and classic piper dissapoints everyone by doing the worst thing for herself. I think larry is coming from a place of love and honesty and Piper just chose to ignore it.
once again, it seems like all the people that don't like her just don't understand her character at all. She didn't deny it out of spite. In fact, she didn't deny it at all in the end. She just said, that Larry is working off an older model. And she is right. Her arc in the last season really demonstrated her character growth in that way, but it doesn't seem like fans of the show are as good at reading people as Larry 🤷♂️
@@veledwin1 literally a month after she got out she got caught smoking weed and then tampering with evidence. Shes still that same self destructive person shes always been. How has she changed at all?
Lmo, maybe as a character, she is too complicated. That's why some audiences still get pissed off and don't get the point towards her final choice, even if the writers try really hard to make it straightforward by Larry's speech.
@@thelegendofthem6120 Do i make mistakes? Yes. Do I risk going back to jail, a place where she experienced a ridiculous amount of bad shit, just to feel "free" for a day even when you know that any mistake might land you back in jail? No. Because im not an impulsive brat like Piper.
she is! she doesn't get enough credit because she's too pretty and her character was deemed annoying, but that is testament to her great acting. Piper is supposed to be annoying and privileged. She really nailed the role.
Ya boi Larry isn't wrong.....dude was giving her some truth and she wasn't happy with it..... He didn't come across as condescending to me just that he's figured out what's what and he's come to terms with who Piper is.
Like anybody can handle the truth about themselves though lol nobody likes to be analyzed or have things that makes sense, shoved in their faces, especially by someone they were once engaged to or had a relationship with. The only unrealistic part of this is how weak she appeared in front of him, usually women have too much pride to show any vulnerability in front of their ex who are now with their former best friend. I just don’t see that happening in reality lol
he had a lot of valid points, but even then he was dropped around season 3? I guess most people found it condescending because he doesn't know her like he used to. a lot can change in those years
@@stephanievo567 true he was dropped off at season 3 but has pipers attitude or how she acts really changed? His analysis on Piper n Alex is pretty accurate.
Tapiwa Munthali lmao you're right she is very consistent. however you gotta admit his callout was due to some resentment he had towards the cheating, which belittles pipers feelings towards alex. I still do think he is one of the most "sane" characters the show has made though
Is no one going to mention that Larry literally homewrecked a family with a newborn baby. Polly was so vulnerable and lonely because her husband (idek his name anymore) was struggling with being a new dad and instead of being like “hey let’s go to therapy and see if we can fix this honey” she said fuck that and jumped Larry.
Homewrecked???? Larry is the only reason Polly isnt an unstable sobbing wreck being taken advantage of by a shitty deadbeat husband that avoided his PREGNANT wife and child. Shit, Polly's bf probably couldn't even spell pregnant! Are you really gonna shit on my man Larry for helping a woman raise her child and love her unconditionally?
Am I the only one who cheered when she rejected his analysis of her? Yes he was right, but she denied it because she knew that wasn’t who she was anymore and she wasn’t going to let anyone label her anymore. I love how she did what SHE wanted and started her new life with Alex. “Never let people tell you who you are, you tell them.”
I did! She found her voice for the first time ever and it was amazing! She showed all season she'd changed. She was true to Alex all season even with everyone talking crap about her and their relationship. She didn't even do anything with Zelda, not even a kiss, until she was wanted to get back at Alex. She was the new Piper and she made the absolute right decision.
I think y'all are forgetting when he got Piper in trouble saying shit on his radio interview and using her whole tragedy to get his column published on The New York Times. He was also selfish and a completely dumb-ass.
Gotta disagree with y'all. Piper isn't a garbage person. She does take responsibility for her actions, that was the whole point of her character growth in the last season, so if you're still complaining about that then you didn't pay attention. It seems like most of the people that don't like her just don't understand her character very well... And missed the point of several critical moments in her character arc this last season. By choosing Alex, Piper finally didn't revert to her old habits. And some of y'all are just saying her backstory isn't sad or tragic enough? That the other characters have a harder story or mental disorder? Piper isn't supposed to be that character. Piper is the character through which the audience initially sees and gets introduced to the prison environment. It makes sense for backstory to not be one of the tragic ones, but that doesn't diminish her own story. Y'all are acting like she's the only character who didn't grow up on the streets or something, or like it'd be realistic to not portray a backstory like Piper's. It wouldn't. She got a little annoying at certain points, yeah, but Piper is ultimately a far more relatable and better character than fans of the show give her credit for. Especially after the last season. But it doesn't seem like most fans of the show are as good at reading people (and their choices) as Larry 🤷♂️
Period!!! Thank you for defending her So many people blindly hate on her she wasn't the worst ever I appreciate her and every other character I was almost discouraged from watching the show because I read the Orange is the New Black Fandom wiki page before watching, and Piper's description was so horrible that I was like maybe I don't want to watch this but when I watched the show I realized that a lot of that stuff was false and misleading. The wiki page must've been made by some hater or something
This is hands down my favourite scene from Larry. Everything he had to say was just pure facts. But leave it piper, being a stubborn, foolish child.. Good god.. I felt satisfied and agitated at the same time watching this.
Totally agree! I felt like she was so defensive because she knew what he was saying was true, or at least partially true! Larry grew so much since season 1 and I like that they mentioned him going to therapy. It shows that he tried to take charge of his shit. Seeing the contrast between him and Piper in this scene was really surprising and revealing.
I think that y'all are lacking a lot of empathy. Piper was passing through a roller coaster of emotions, facing her past again and trying to deal with her new present.
Am I the only one who likes and feels bad for Larry? I mean he loved Piper, and then she goes to prison, and falls in love with the same woman who got her in there. He moved on, just like she did. And he was shamed for it. Like wtf he just wanted to be happy and everyone hates him
I agree on some level, but I also think him getting with her best friend, especially with her best friend being married and having a family, wasn't right. He could have moved on without doing it that way. That's just my opinion, though.
Alisha the best friend had a shitty husband, though, who she didn’t want to stay with anyway. Plus, Larry and Piper had already split up by the time Larry and Polly got together and Piper doesn’t own them. People can’t help who they fall in love with. Piper was also in no position to be truly mad at them when she cheated on him with Alex.
@@Fram383 Well, I see what you are saying and agree on some things, but I just feel like her best friend could have left her husband instead of cheating, and Larry didn't have to pursue it while she was still with her husband.
This is probably my favorite scene of orange ever cause this is when piper knew for sure Alex was always meant for her and wants to spend the rest of her life with her
Obviously, he'd have some animosity towards Alex, given the history. I feel like he got parts of things right but also had feelings there from resentment that weren't completely correct.
I don't think he's minimizing it so much as he's considering it irrelevant. Because no matter how much she loves her, she's still bad for her. And it's irresponsible to continue such a toxic relationship. I would know.
@@nicripolas816 Interesting profile pic. I'm actually physically disabled, myself. Also, I agree. I said something similar in another post. Sometimes, love isn't enough, especially when it involves different things that are too unhealthy and toxic.
I feel like somewhere in this scene you can tell Larry still has love for Piper as opposed to Polly who acted like an asshole to her at the dinner and on the phone.
Go do what new piper would do.. Changing,getting clean, ends up with Alex. Zelda was great for her, but if Alex got out, she would wonder what would happen if they stayed together. That's Love. Being with zelda is the kept wife life.. That's what she had with Larry, and that worked until Alex came back into her life. It will always be Alex.
I think Piper is a bit self sabotaging, honestly, and her and Alex play games and hurt each other too much. Why go through all that when it can be uncomplicated, and you can actually be happy? I know love is love, but sometimes it is just too toxic and unhealthy. I've been through that myself. I think Piper has some stuff to work through. It seems almost like she sabotages herself out of punishment or something (maybe feeling unworthy or afraid?). That is just my perspective. If anyone wants to come at me for psychoanalyzing, then so be it. That is my opinion from all the research I've done on mental illness over the years and what I've dealt with first-hand as far as my own. I'm not a professional, but you don't always have to be in order to see certain things.
Larry was right (I can't believe I'm saying that). Piper and Alex were basically textbook maladaptive codependency and it's disappointing that Piper didn't learn from her experiences at all.
I kinda think the same. I think their relationship is toxic and unhealthy. I know she loves her, but sometimes that still can't work in different scenarios and is self destructive. I do think Piper subconsciously sabotages herself. Maybe she didn't feel worthy or was scared. Usually, when people mess up something that is on a good path, it tends to stem from that. She seems to have problems with impulse control and decision making and with her emotions. I think she still has stuff to work through before she will ever truly be happy.
Sarah Z!!! Nice to see you here...and completely agree. I held on to a small sliver of hope that Piper would listen to Larry and grow up and move on from the unhealthy, toxic relationship with Alex. However, I had a feeling that they were going to force the Alex/Piper ending for fans. Larry was speaking actual truth and Piper ignored it out of what...spite? Stubbornness?
She did, though. It's disappointing that so many people failed to see the point of her character arc in the last season, and the ways in which she grew. Choosing Alex _was_ the way to break her old habits, not fall back into them.
@@veledwin1 Exactly. Go back to her old life/habits is what she would have done with Zelda, would have been repeating the same thing she did with Larry (she started dating him after broke up with Alex). Zelda would have been the perfect GF/wife (like everyone said about Larry and then they said the same about Zelda), upper-class life, etc. Complicated or not, the person she always loved is Alex.
Her choosing to wait for Alex, instead of bailing whenever things got hard was her character growth. Finally for the first time, she wasn't selfish self-centered bish. Before she would always leave Alex, and now she chose to stay and wait. Piper and Alex were always made one for another, Zelda was simply another Larry imo....
Finally, someone that understands her character and her arc in the last season. Larry was entirely right about Piper. But Piper was right when she said that he was working off an older model. Zelda was another detour, and she finally didn't take it. She finally didn't quit when things got tough. She finally recognized who she used to be, and who she is now.
You can tell Larry did intensive therapy and it’s a great display on how broken people can destroy other peoples lives . Piper was always a broken person and she really did a number on Larry but he made it throw the storm and is a better and happier person because he didn’t allow piper and her issues to become his issues. For piper she’s the perfect example of self destruction & self loathing
I love as piper defend her love for Alex, cause every person in there lives said you don't stay together your are destructive, but the real love isn't perfect, the real love is about found every day bad and good things in the person who she loves Alex in this case yeah they are selfish and destructive but together maybe can found the real life for them
“I’m not that self destructive” >monopolized a drug smuggling ring >shipped her “business partner” off to max after ditching Alex for someone edgier at the time
This scene was so good that I didn’t know if Piper’s denial is just bad writing or Taylor was so good portraying Piper that it’s just a typical Piper move
piper isn’t in denial, larry is. the truth is he never knew or even understood her and any conclusion he tries to make about her will never be correct because it all comes from bitterness and anger.
This is the best scene of the final season. It really shows Piper's character and her relationship with Alex via Larry (more like the writers). The limb analogy is definitely amazing. I think we cannot find another better way to describe Alex and Piper's relationship. They are like two broken souls and like human version of Yin and Yang. They are made for each other.
@@TheGhostofMrArthurs lmao. Did you forget about Larry's egotistical and selfish side, how he does things without considering the backlash he causes (that whole radio interview debacle), how he tried to make Piper's going to prison about himself, how he lied to Piper about Alex snitching on her? Larry is definitely not faultless. And it's not because he's a man as there were several male characters in the show that people liked. And people started disliking Piper because she's white?! Lmao seriously? People hated on her because of her personality. Nicky's a predator? Okay, you're crazy. Lol
Project Alice I don’t think everyone should need to say “just my opinion” when presenting an opinion. The original commenter didn’t say explicitly that anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or a worse person than them.
CHIPS LAYS NATURE yes that's entirely what i meant. horrible person but a really great character so far as her arc & development. they wrote her really well
For some reason this scene stayed with me after all these years. When piper says "it's like I grew a limb when I met Alex and she's a part of my body". That's true Love. Piper has met enough people in her love but she's never gonna feel that way for anyway. She belongs with Alex... Old piper did and so does New piper. However, New piper mature and loyal enough to wait for the love of her life.
Polly was REALLY good for Larry, she changed him, she made him into a mature person. I really like Polly and Larry, they seem like the most realistic couple
This is such a weird point to make since he got with her best friend after she got sent to prison for drug smuggling due to an ex gf that he never knew about, who she then cheated on him with later. Like, it doesn't matter who he chose to love and care for after she clearly didn't give a shit about him or his feelings.
Erica, I agree. Sleeping with the best friend was a low move and he was a jerk to Piper for that. Also, Piper at least apologized for what she did, he never said sorry once.
This talk represents the big decision. Zelda vs Alex. Returning back her old life (happy, selfish, rich) or growing up through what she lived in prison (invisibility, empathy, facing the problems...). I'm glad she has decided right. The new Piper decided right
It was 100% the right decision. I think people missed Piper's entire story in Season 7 lol. She showed every step of the way she'd changed. She made mistakes and it was a roller coaster ride. But season 7 Piper, was the absolute best Piper of the whole series. Piper and Zelda would've been just like Piper and Larry, it would've been Piper marking time and taking the easy way out. New Piper made her own life and decided to wait for the love of her life rather than run and I loved it!
I never hated Larry just hated that he cheated on Piper with her best friend. Of all people , her best friend? I however have always disliked Alex despite that their relationship has changed. I feel like Piper could do better.
Piper cheated first and he left because he was able to get what he wanted out of Piper, with Polly. He wanted a family, a wife, a partner and Piper never wanted that with him. Yes, I think it’s fucked up that it had to be with her best friend, but sometimes you can’t help who you fall in love with.
As soon as piper compares Alex to growing another limb, that Alex is apart of her, good God I just broke down in tears. I felt that with every fiber of my being. & when Larry was talking about how great that other girl was & that she likes Piper but all Piper can think about is Alex & Piper just blurts out “because I love Alex!” & “or I might stay here & wait for Alex.” Yes, there’s people you want to be with. They’re good for you, you like them. But it ends there. Then you meet someone who sets your soul in light. To the point of madness, to the point of devastation. They live within you. Become a apart of you. The darkest parts of you are filled with light. Losing that person is truly like losing an arm, losing a leg. Your heart. Alex is & will always be the one for Piper. It really is maddening how decisions of the heart are completely involuntary.
Piper did change like she really did from season 5 I really saw a change like from then we knew piper and Alex loved each other and piper became more happier and stop doing bullshit things she admitted what she did wrong and then moved on so guys stop saying piper deserves what Larry said cause she really didn’t she has changed from season 1-7 she did
I hope I never feel the way about another human being the way Piper feels about Alex. Having your entire happiness and state of mind depend on being with another human being, no matter how well or how badly they treat you, no matter if they outright abuse you, to fall apart if they're not in the picture... if that's love, then I'll strangle Cupid to death with my bare hands before he strikes me with one of those cursed arrows. And I'm speaking as a guy who's been married and divorced.
Yeah. Seriously. Fuck Alex and fuck Vauseman. What a shitty, broken, toxic relationship. "Because I looooooove Alex!" Piper is so immature and needs to grow up.
He was pretty wrong and clearly loved who he thought she was without knowing her heart or soul. Alex actually knows her and loves her for who she is. This is why I'm happy she chose Alex over him and Zelda. Sometimes people want love to be simple and straightforward. All of her circle come from a place of privilege and would never understand her or Alex but that doesn't mean their love is wrong. Their love is pretty deep to overcome all they did and still care so deeply. It's the Piper Larry relationship that was shallow and meaningless. He never loved Piper but what she could do for him and his image. He continued to use her in prison for his career. To get with her best friend as well... He's just not got any morals so he would never understand a person with inner convictions. Wouldn't surprise me if later down the line if his relationship didn't last if Piper suddenly wanted to live life slightly differently because he not very accepting of differences. He took himself away from her and stole her friend and dreams and he and Polly were despicable to make Piper feel bad for being angry at them. That was a normal reaction to anyone whose fiancé slept with their best friend. They were the ones who needed to grovel, not make Piper do it. Honestly, he would make a terrible husband. You're meant to support a spouse in all situations and he left pretty quickly. The fact he can talk to someone he used to 'love' like this especially at her most vulnerable moment... he just has no heart really. All he does is judge others but can't see how deeply flawed he and his actions were and how unloving he was from the start. He's got a very weak personality and it's obvious when he ends up at the bar and also ending up with Polly but because he had therapy he thinks he's this enlightened person when he's just regurgitating some stranger's second hand account of a person he never truly loved.
Alex is the most toxic, manipulative, nasty character. I’ve never liked her and I don’t understand the love for her within the fans of the show. Yeah, she’s hot but that’s it. She’s still a shitty person who you could never truly trust.
Francesca Fox she protected piper so much in season six by protecting her from Baddison and Carol which risked Alex getting extra time in her sentence just so piper didn’t because she knew it would destroy her
I mean, it's not exactly like Piper is faultless. As far as I'm concerned, they're both fucked up and they deserve each other. Plus, you have to consider that even though Alex snitched on Piper, Piper got her revenge didn't she? She literally did the exact same thing to Alex in season 2, and was equally selfish in reasoning. In fact what Piper did could be considered WORSE. Like Alex gets to go free from prison after learning the lessons prison teaches about NEVER going back to prison, and gets a taste of free life again... until Piper snitches on her and Alex gets taken BACK to a prison she already got out of once, like... that's actually horrible. The embarrassment alone might kill me
She was Vause's doormat. Vause talked her into carrying drugs which got her 18 months, double crossed her and testified against the drug dealer to get released, only came back to prison because she was afraid while she left Piper in prison and ruined her engagement to Larry. And yet Piper still yearns for her. Some women would rather get treated like dirt.
The analysis Larry gave is exactly the same one Alex gave to Piper around season one. And just like Piper said, that's the old version of herself, that's season 1 piper, not season 7 piper. I don't think Piper is in denial, she's angry. Larry said prison might be the best thing that ever happen to piper, because just like Alex, it is eccentric and special. Alex and Piper both almost died in the prison, Piper has a burned in window on her arm, and I know he didn't mean any harm but putting Alex's and Piper's entire journey to just that, of course pissed off piper.
I love Larry in this scene. He’s grown as a person since the start of the show, but it’s like Piper has stayed in the exact same place, further evidenced by the fact that she actually went back to Alex in the end. I’m upset that she never grew as a person and never realized that her and Alex just weren’t meant for each other in the first place. Their relationship only worked (hardly) for so long because they were in such close proximity to each other.
Idk, I think it’s kinda confusing, because on the one hand, the fact that Piper decided to wait for Alex shows that she did change, I mean the old Piper wouldn’t have waited, she just would have left. But on the other hand, as you said, the fact that she went back to Alex proves that she didn’t change, i mean, as Larry said, Piper was looking for something especial, and Alex was her ticket to special, and Piper could be totally fine with Zelda but she is still looking for THAT special which is Alex. Idk if I am being clear. Nevertheless as Alex said “when you have a connection with someone it never really goes away”
@@mayelaescalante7239 I think the fact that Piper ended up w Alex doesn't mean that she didn't change. I think of it as her being with the same person but for different reasons. Back then her only reason was this feeling of being special and for self-centered reasons, but in the end she let go of a lot of her shortcuts ( Zelda's awesome life ) and waited for Alex. It's something that she couldn't do in the past and her whole development was basically around solving that and her toxic traits
See I disagree with this the fact that she chose to stay and wait for Alex WAS her character growth. She was always running away and she chose to finally stop running.
the new Piper should have dropped both Alex and Zelda and focused on herself for once. She always goes back to Alex and ending up with Zelda would have been the same situation with Larry. I would have much rather have seen her end up with no one. Sometimes it's okay to be alone
Stop saying piper was a garbage person, yes she did some stupid thing but she is human and all of us did some mistakes sometime, the show without piper and alex ending up together it would be a shit show. She did what she did coz she was in LOVE with Alex🖤 so deal with that people.
This shit rips my soul out idk why it’s just a really sad scene Editing two years later like a weirdo: I feel like I’m the only person who was rooting for Piper and Larry
I am by no means an expert on this series, but i do believe that like movies and books a good chunk should represent the whole of what it is and this scene does just that. It addresses these two characters, and their journeys in their lives. It also reflects a lot of real life scenarios. I myself am recently divorced and can really relate what Larry's feeling. My ex was always restless she could never settle down because she wanted something that wasn't a path, or something that wasn't normal because she felt that normal stuff had failed her and made her miserable so she decided she was better off cut off from everything. Meanwhile, I'm rebuilding and continuing on the path that i hope will lead to raising a family.
Larry has every right to tell Piper to fuck off and yet...he stood there patiently and even gave her advice (albeit a tad salty but who wouldn’t in his situation) he’s such a kind person who got fucked over, so glad he found happiness.
That's because, at his core, Larry is a good man. Yeah, he was a bit naive and immature in the early seasons, but he was never a bad person. And you can still tell that he cares about Piper, even though she treated him terribly. Was he perfect? No. He made mistakes, too. But he is truly a decent person overall.
The fact that they define love as someone who ruined your life and could still ruin. You're gonna wait for them instead of moving on and never looking back, is is the dumbest shit ever
Thank you! "Ermagherd they're SOULMATES!!1"...yep, because being completely toxic for each other's mental health, breaking up and getting back together multiple times each season, purposefully sabotaging each other's lives and chances to get away is just GOALS, am I right?! I wish that Piper had given herself a true "clean slate". Alex breaking up with her in the final season was the kindest thing she ever did for Piper and I'm not ashamed to say I yelled "thank fuck" when it happened. If only they'd stayed apart.
So I’m rewatching this scene for the first time, and I can’t remember how it initially made me feel but damn Larry nailed this. At first I thought he was being bitter but then hearing him be supportive and talk about Zelda I was like damn lowkey he is right lmao
I hated that she went with Alex and was hoping she would move past her. They have a very destructive relationship and I feel like Larry was absolutely right about her. I think that Piper working things out with her family (especially her dad), owning her mistakes, going back to school to get a law degree, and moving onto a healthy relationship was the perfect ending for Piper. Plus, Piper wasn't great for Alex either! Alex needed to find herself and figure out a way to be "good" without Piper helping her continuously to make the right decision. I would have preferred Alex being alone, but on the path of self discovery. I thought her letting Piper go was the first sign of this new self-growth and I was all for it. I understand why they wanted to put these two together, but I think that their love wouldn't have been diminished by not being together. Sometimes people come into your life and are meant to help you grow (doesn't mean that the love wasn't there) but they aren't meant to be life-long partners. I think Alex should have been that for Piper.
Give Larry his props. He put up with so much from Piper. If she hadn't gotten arrested, they wouldn't have gotten married and if they did it wouldn't have worked out. I think in her own way she suffered from PTSD. Piper reminds me so much of The Ladies on The UK Soaps. For example on EastEnders Sharon Mitchell can Date, Sleep with another Man but it's Phil Mitchell that she wants, same thing with Katherine "Kat" Moon, she does the same thing but it's her Soulmate Alfred "Alfie" Moon. They do it because they don't know how to lead a Drama Free Life. I think that Taylor Schilling's Girlfriend had a small part in "Carol" where she flirted with Rooney Mara's Character Therese Belivet. Also Piper is so lucky in comparison to some of the other Ladies. She has a Family to go home to, a support system. She's not living in a Shelter or an overcrowded Apt., she doesn't have Kids in "Care", she has so much to be grateful for and it's not enough. My Uncle's Ex Girlfriend had three failed marriages and I sometimes wonder if it's because she still had feelings for him.
it just hit me that the whole turning point of pipers character arc is in this “go do what new piper would do”. pre-litchfield piper will not follow alex to ohio because as alex had put it, piper walks away when things get hard but she did the opposite because the old piper is gone. her love for alex and prison changed her. because alex is always it for piper, the finish line. she didn’t see the next 3 years as a hurdle for her and alex’s relationship but she sees it as the start of something. something better, something that has always been there the moment she met alex. and so she did, she left her old life in new york, her family and what could have been with zelda. because in the end she just wants to be home. and that home is alex, always have been and always will be.
I really liked this scene because I think it's really relatable that Larry had such a deep psychoanalysis of Piper because he would've had a long time to think about their relationship and just to understand pipers decisions because that's what every one else does when they have bad experiences or relationship breakdowns. You just spend ages creating arguments and formulating ideas in your head to explain the behaviour of other people and I could feel that Larry was really satisfied when he told Piper all of his thoughts about her because he would've just kept it in his mind for ages and was finally able to express it to her. But I also think that he wasn't entirely right. I believe Piper when she says that she's not that self destructive. Especially since she has grown and matured and isn't the same person that he knew like she said. But also because I think even when she first transported the drugs with Alex I don't think that it was entirely just her trying to deviate from the WASP future laid out in front of her and be unique. I think she was more swept up in her love for Alex and the new lifestyle and I feel like all the other ideas about her wanting to be different were more subconscious or afterthoughts but I don't think that's her true character. I guess I've just seen so many characters lately who have a set path and they move from it and go with some wild adventurous and dangerous life instead and now it feels cliche so to me hearing that Piper is that same type of character is kind of boring and I'd personally prefer to think that she's just got a deep and somewhat toxic and faulty connection with Alex but she's learning to grow and mature and keep her life on track and avoid doing stupid and life impacting things and that her staying with Alex is not a regression. And when Alex is out of prison if they can last that long honestly I don't think their relationship will be toxic because there won't be any more barriers and I think they really would be happy together and supportive. I think it was a pretty good conclusion for all those characters.
Una de las escenas donde está indecisa sobre lo que tiene que hacer con su relación con Álex,pero hizo lo que su corazón le dictó esperar a que saliera,no fue un buen final pero se entendió que siguieron juntas a pesar de todo lo que habían pasado y lo que los demás dijeran de su relación.
This scene was so needed! Well played by Piper finally defending...her new self:) Hits too much close to home...my life in a nutshell before OITNB...I wanted Piper's ending....not mine
Goddamn he dragged her in the most supportive loving way possible
TRUTH.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 yes, at first I was supportive of their relationship but then when Zelda started to be more and more important to Piper I felt like they would have fit very well, sorry for the vauseman shippers but to me, Piper should have been with Zelda and I completely agree with Larry's opinion on Piper
@@rubydreamt2440 Zelda was never important to Piper though. The fact that she slept with her on impulse shows that. She held on to Alex the whole season and if Zelda was so important,Piper would've stopped visiting Alex. She also would've went to Northampton for her but she loves Alex and wants to be wherever she is and that's ohio
Melanie V 😂 Ikr? Like, she mad cuz she had to find a reason to be mad...
Can someone please tell me if Piper is back together with Alex or Zelda or is she single? because the ending of oitnb isn’t clear enough for me.
This scene was needed. Both characters needed closure. You can tell Larry still kinda has feelings for her and resents her a little bit but this was an amazing scene. I’m glad that Larry and Piper got to talk things out and Larry got to express how he felt because what Piper did was unfair.
Chanel Joseph yes, it was a nice closure. shows that larry still cares in a supportive, loving way, but let's go of her. no hard feelings as they say.
Chanel Joseph but what Larry did was unfair as well. Larry and Polly were her two best friends and pretty much the only people she had outside of prison. But he went and dated Polly and stopped talking to Piper, which left her alone. I get that they were in love but they could have at least still remained in contact with piper
@@makenaeccles3268 piper didnt want any contact with him or her.
I think that what Larry did in Season 1 was unfair too. This scene clearly represents the end of a couple that was not meant to be, even though they came to love each other a lot.
@@MariaJimenez-dz3ps nah u sound like you just don’t like Larry everything he did was justified
"I am heartbroken. And I do not know what to do." That part makes me cry every single time. Taylor Schilling is such a phenomenal actress and these two have undeniable chemistry on screen.
"What you should do is dump that toxic C-word with the glasses and date eventually marry Zelda, a much better and healthier person for you."
“I am not that self-destructive. I am heartbroken.“ - I still think about this line years later. It’s so stunning and profound and true of anyone who self sabotages.
Nah, she's a piece of sh#t thats evident because even before she was heartbroken, she was still destructive. We know people like her that always wanna be different and "special" so they do these outrageous things to feel that. He was 💯 correct about her
This was one of my favourite scenes actually. They needed more closure and honestly he wasn't THAT wrong about Piper. But Piper flips the switch in this episode by not leaving Alex when it got hard. She chooses to stay with Alex and fight for their relationship instead of reverting back to her old habits.
Finally, someone gets it.
Staying with Alex was probably the worst decision she ever made.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 it was such a Piper thing I would be surprised if she hadn't done it
@@CheerfullyCynical829That’s what makes it interesting. I think it would have been 100% valid for her to have left Alex, but she wouldn’t have grown at all. Her choosing Alex when it wasn’t convenient or easy was a big moment of growth, even if it isn’t entirely the best decision overall.
This scene was well done truly
Cynthia Zavala yes!!!!! Agree
This entiere season really
Loved it, brought the end of the show together nicely. Larry was the one that experienced her bullshit and evaluated her after all.
I love the way she defends her relationship with Alex when people say it's bad for her. "We met....and I grew another limb" - I know how that feels.
Funny how your body does that to you...but Piper deserved better.
Jose Vazquez Why do you say that? Alex lured her into participating in her drug trade, told on her out of vengeance years later, sent her to prison & then cheated on her causing her to reroot her whole life just to be near her in Ohio. What did Piper do to deserve that? She wasn’t perfect, but come on.
@@jessicamoore1314 she was just unfaithful as hell
@@jessicamoore1314 No, she and Alex deserved each other. They're both awful people who literally can't function without the other in their lives. Even when they're fighting or being outright abusive.
Maybe I'm just incapable of committing myself to another human being, or maybe I never got over my marriage to a person with jealousy issues, but this kind of obsessive love truly scares me.
@@jessicamoore1314 Alex was all alone and the CO took advantage of it. It was obvious that Alex and the CO grew close out of necessity and because she’s all fucked up and lonely since Piper left. Alex couldn’t say no to the CO because of their weird power dynamics. All Alex wanted from Piper was to choose to stay even if she tries to push her away. Alex isn’t a saint but it doesn’t mean that she doesn’t deserve good things and good people to be part of her life.
When Larry said “go do what new Piper would do,” she actually did do just that, believe it or not. Cause before Piper would have definitely gone with Zelda, especially showing what a great life she could have with Zelda. Her actually wanting to wait for Alex shows a certain amount of growth in her character. I’m not exactly saying it was the right choice, but it does make me respect Piper a little bit more since she’s actually now showing loyalty and a certain amount of maturity.
I totally agree. She doesn't give him a lot of credit but she was definitely in a pattern and if she went with Zelda she would be good for a few years... until Alex got out of prison and back in her orbit. But Alex has also been right that Piper usually ran when it got too hard to be with Alex. So her ending of sticking it out, not taking the easier option a la Zelda, and not returning to her WASP-y life is really the best thing Piper has done in the show. I spent a lot of time in the show really detesting her character but am geniunely happy about how they wrapped up her story.
I don't agree. Sticking with Alex is just more of the same, self-destructive behavior. They are a terrible couple and that is a toxic relationship.
I think it was showcasing that she made the wrong choice because everyone was telling her not to make that choice and classic piper dissapoints everyone by doing the worst thing for herself. I think larry is coming from a place of love and honesty and Piper just chose to ignore it.
ye. this! you've put it into words perfectly
Wow yes! I never thought of it that way
He hit the nail on the head, and she only denied it out of spite. She likes to fancy herself complicated, but really she's predictable.
once again, it seems like all the people that don't like her just don't understand her character at all.
She didn't deny it out of spite. In fact, she didn't deny it at all in the end. She just said, that Larry is working off an older model. And she is right. Her arc in the last season really demonstrated her character growth in that way, but it doesn't seem like fans of the show are as good at reading people as Larry 🤷♂️
@@veledwin1 literally a month after she got out she got caught smoking weed and then tampering with evidence. Shes still that same self destructive person shes always been. How has she changed at all?
Lmo, maybe as a character, she is too complicated. That's why some audiences still get pissed off and don't get the point towards her final choice, even if the writers try really hard to make it straightforward by Larry's speech.
@@davedude1223 but then she stopped, so you never make mistakes? Pendeja
@@thelegendofthem6120 Do i make mistakes? Yes. Do I risk going back to jail, a place where she experienced a ridiculous amount of bad shit, just to feel "free" for a day even when you know that any mistake might land you back in jail? No. Because im not an impulsive brat like Piper.
taylor is a GREAT actress!
she is! she doesn't get enough credit because she's too pretty and her character was deemed annoying, but that is testament to her great acting. Piper is supposed to be annoying and privileged. She really nailed the role.
Her crying is always so realistic it’s insane
She is, she played her character so well
That's actually the third time Larry reunites Piper and Alex :)
Jackson third????
@@dazed-darling First: doesn't tell Piper that Alex named her. Second: calls Alex' probation officer.
Jackson we love a stan❤️👏😊
@@xiopaovid1215 huh?
Jackson the probation officer wasn’t Larry it was piper bestfriend Larry wasn’t going to do it
Ya boi Larry isn't wrong.....dude was giving her some truth and she wasn't happy with it..... He didn't come across as condescending to me just that he's figured out what's what and he's come to terms with who Piper is.
Some people just can't take the truth. At best he comes off as tired of her crap and she comes off as someone who craps on a lot of people.
Like anybody can handle the truth about themselves though lol nobody likes to be analyzed or have things that makes sense, shoved in their faces, especially by someone they were once engaged to or had a relationship with. The only unrealistic part of this is how weak she appeared in front of him, usually women have too much pride to show any vulnerability in front of their ex who are now with their former best friend. I just don’t see that happening in reality lol
he had a lot of valid points, but even then he was dropped around season 3? I guess most people found it condescending because he doesn't know her like he used to. a lot can change in those years
@@stephanievo567 true he was dropped off at season 3 but has pipers attitude or how she acts really changed? His analysis on Piper n Alex is pretty accurate.
Tapiwa Munthali lmao you're right she is very consistent. however you gotta admit his callout was due to some resentment he had towards the cheating, which belittles pipers feelings towards alex. I still do think he is one of the most "sane" characters the show has made though
4:44 The way she says "because I LOVE Alex!" totally gave away the ending for me - of course they were going to end up back together ♥♥♥
“I am heartbroken and I do not know what to do” that is the realest line in the show. I know this because I know exactly how it feels.
Is no one going to mention that Larry literally homewrecked a family with a newborn baby. Polly was so vulnerable and lonely because her husband (idek his name anymore) was struggling with being a new dad and instead of being like “hey let’s go to therapy and see if we can fix this honey” she said fuck that and jumped Larry.
_ Spamiglo _ Pete. And agreed.
Yeah i hate polly
Homewrecked???? Larry is the only reason Polly isnt an unstable sobbing wreck being taken advantage of by a shitty deadbeat husband that avoided his PREGNANT wife and child. Shit, Polly's bf probably couldn't even spell pregnant! Are you really gonna shit on my man Larry for helping a woman raise her child and love her unconditionally?
The father of her son
Iiterally fucked off for 3 months
Larry and Polly are far more compatible anyway. Should have seen it coming from season 1
Am I the only one who cheered when she rejected his analysis of her? Yes he was right, but she denied it because she knew that wasn’t who she was anymore and she wasn’t going to let anyone label her anymore. I love how she did what SHE wanted and started her new life with Alex. “Never let people tell you who you are, you tell them.”
Nah she's just in denial, overall larry was correct
Larry spat facts and in the end she did do what "new piper would do" because old Piper woulda just fucked off with Zelda lol
I did! She found her voice for the first time ever and it was amazing! She showed all season she'd changed. She was true to Alex all season even with everyone talking crap about her and their relationship. She didn't even do anything with Zelda, not even a kiss, until she was wanted to get back at Alex. She was the new Piper and she made the absolute right decision.
I died laughing when he said “celebrate”. Honestly, I never disliked Larry. He deserves better.
He did get together with Piper's best friend so I'd stay he got his revenge.
Thankfully he got better he got a ready made family and someone who is just down to earth and just appreciates Larry.
He was quite annoying and dumb sometimes, but what he did with Polly was justified to me, Piper cheated and had zero remorse.
I think y'all are forgetting when he got Piper in trouble saying shit on his radio interview and using her whole tragedy to get his column published on The New York Times. He was also selfish and a completely dumb-ass.
He is an asol😠 Love Alex Vause 😍
Gotta disagree with y'all. Piper isn't a garbage person. She does take responsibility for her actions, that was the whole point of her character growth in the last season, so if you're still complaining about that then you didn't pay attention. It seems like most of the people that don't like her just don't understand her character very well... And missed the point of several critical moments in her character arc this last season. By choosing Alex, Piper finally didn't revert to her old habits.
And some of y'all are just saying her backstory isn't sad or tragic enough? That the other characters have a harder story or mental disorder? Piper isn't supposed to be that character. Piper is the character through which the audience initially sees and gets introduced to the prison environment. It makes sense for backstory to not be one of the tragic ones, but that doesn't diminish her own story. Y'all are acting like she's the only character who didn't grow up on the streets or something, or like it'd be realistic to not portray a backstory like Piper's. It wouldn't.
She got a little annoying at certain points, yeah, but Piper is ultimately a far more relatable and better character than fans of the show give her credit for. Especially after the last season. But it doesn't seem like most fans of the show are as good at reading people (and their choices) as Larry 🤷♂️
Amen!!
Period!!! Thank you for defending her
So many people blindly hate on her she wasn't the worst ever I appreciate her and every other character
I was almost discouraged from watching the show because I read the Orange is the New Black Fandom wiki page before watching, and Piper's description was so horrible that I was like maybe I don't want to watch this but when I watched the show I realized that a lot of that stuff was false and misleading. The wiki page must've been made by some hater or something
It was dumb that was it...
In real life she is married to Larry.
Why is everyone saying that Piper is self-destructive? I disagree
Thank you! And say it louder for the people in the back
This is hands down my favourite scene from Larry. Everything he had to say was just pure facts. But leave it piper, being a stubborn, foolish child.. Good god.. I felt satisfied and agitated at the same time watching this.
Totally agree! I felt like she was so defensive because she knew what he was saying was true, or at least partially true! Larry grew so much since season 1 and I like that they mentioned him going to therapy. It shows that he tried to take charge of his shit. Seeing the contrast between him and Piper in this scene was really surprising and revealing.
💯
I think that y'all are lacking a lot of empathy. Piper was passing through a roller coaster of emotions, facing her past again and trying to deal with her new present.
Ya you don't get it. But sure.
Larry was 100% right about Piper
He hit the nail on the head, and she only denied it out of spite. She likes to fancy herself complicated, but really she's predictable.
Josh Schreib exactly
@@Josherrificly damn y'all really harsh in these comments 😂
@@ninashaven 😈
Absolutely not LMFAOOOO
Am I the only one who likes and feels bad for Larry? I mean he loved Piper, and then she goes to prison, and falls in love with the same woman who got her in there. He moved on, just like she did. And he was shamed for it. Like wtf he just wanted to be happy and everyone hates him
I agree on some level, but I also think him getting with her best friend, especially with her best friend being married and having a family, wasn't right. He could have moved on without doing it that way. That's just my opinion, though.
But why her best friend tho.. it's a yikes
Alisha the best friend had a shitty husband, though, who she didn’t want to stay with anyway. Plus, Larry and Piper had already split up by the time Larry and Polly got together and Piper doesn’t own them. People can’t help who they fall in love with. Piper was also in no position to be truly mad at them when she cheated on him with Alex.
@@Fram383 Well, I see what you are saying and agree on some things, but I just feel like her best friend could have left her husband instead of cheating, and Larry didn't have to pursue it while she was still with her husband.
Uhh he moved on with her best friend. People didn’t shame him for nothing THAT was the issue not him moving on
This is probably my favorite scene of orange ever cause this is when piper knew for sure Alex was always meant for her and wants to spend the rest of her life with her
Couldn’t agree more with you
"Go do what new piper would do." Best line ever.
Right !!!!
and she did 😌
Part of what Larry is saying is true, but he does seem like he’s minimizing her feelings for Alex.
Yeah cause fuck alex
Obviously, he'd have some animosity towards Alex, given the history.
I feel like he got parts of things right but also had feelings there from resentment that weren't completely correct.
I don't think he's minimizing it so much as he's considering it irrelevant. Because no matter how much she loves her, she's still bad for her. And it's irresponsible to continue such a toxic relationship. I would know.
@@nicripolas816 Interesting profile pic. I'm actually physically disabled, myself.
Also, I agree. I said something similar in another post. Sometimes, love isn't enough, especially when it involves different things that are too unhealthy and toxic.
what he’s saying isn’t true and she proved that
I feel like somewhere in this scene you can tell Larry still has love for Piper as opposed to Polly who acted like an asshole to her at the dinner and on the phone.
Go do what new piper would do..
Changing,getting clean, ends up with Alex.
Zelda was great for her, but if Alex got out, she would wonder what would happen if they stayed together.
That's Love.
Being with zelda is the kept wife life.. That's what she had with Larry, and that worked until Alex came back into her life. It will always be Alex.
Zelda was a hoe
I think Piper is a bit self sabotaging, honestly, and her and Alex play games and hurt each other too much. Why go through all that when it can be uncomplicated, and you can actually be happy? I know love is love, but sometimes it is just too toxic and unhealthy. I've been through that myself.
I think Piper has some stuff to work through. It seems almost like she sabotages herself out of punishment or something (maybe feeling unworthy or afraid?). That is just my perspective.
If anyone wants to come at me for psychoanalyzing, then so be it. That is my opinion from all the research I've done on mental illness over the years and what I've dealt with first-hand as far as my own. I'm not a professional, but you don't always have to be in order to see certain things.
In real life it wasn't true at all.... They changed the story into an LGBT appeasement thing.
Larry was right (I can't believe I'm saying that). Piper and Alex were basically textbook maladaptive codependency and it's disappointing that Piper didn't learn from her experiences at all.
I kinda think the same. I think their relationship is toxic and unhealthy. I know she loves her, but sometimes that still can't work in different scenarios and is self destructive. I do think Piper subconsciously sabotages herself. Maybe she didn't feel worthy or was scared. Usually, when people mess up something that is on a good path, it tends to stem from that.
She seems to have problems with impulse control and decision making and with her emotions. I think she still has stuff to work through before she will ever truly be happy.
Sarah Z!!! Nice to see you here...and completely agree. I held on to a small sliver of hope that Piper would listen to Larry and grow up and move on from the unhealthy, toxic relationship with Alex. However, I had a feeling that they were going to force the Alex/Piper ending for fans. Larry was speaking actual truth and Piper ignored it out of what...spite? Stubbornness?
She did, though. It's disappointing that so many people failed to see the point of her character arc in the last season, and the ways in which she grew. Choosing Alex _was_ the way to break her old habits, not fall back into them.
@@veledwin1 Exactly. Go back to her old life/habits is what she would have done with Zelda, would have been repeating the same thing she did with Larry (she started dating him after broke up with Alex). Zelda would have been the perfect GF/wife (like everyone said about Larry and then they said the same about Zelda), upper-class life, etc. Complicated or not, the person she always loved is Alex.
I disagree... Piper ultimately choosing Alex Over Zelda and others is the best decision she made in her entire life....
Her choosing to wait for Alex, instead of bailing whenever things got hard was her character growth. Finally for the first time, she wasn't selfish self-centered bish. Before she would always leave Alex, and now she chose to stay and wait. Piper and Alex were always made one for another, Zelda was simply another Larry imo....
Ivana Rasic Agreed! I always loved Piper. I know people hated her, but I related to her.
Finally, someone that understands her character and her arc in the last season. Larry was entirely right about Piper. But Piper was right when she said that he was working off an older model. Zelda was another detour, and she finally didn't take it. She finally didn't quit when things got tough. She finally recognized who she used to be, and who she is now.
I didn't think of that! So right!
Omg ur so right!!!!
Yup!
You know what... this was a brilliant interaction, and I think it greatly benefited both characters.
You can tell Larry did intensive therapy and it’s a great display on how broken people can destroy other peoples lives . Piper was always a broken person and she really did a number on Larry but he made it throw the storm and is a better and happier person because he didn’t allow piper and her issues to become his issues.
For piper she’s the perfect example of self destruction & self loathing
Taylor schilling our Emmy queen, deserve all acting award, amazing actress pity she Nv win emmy
This scene made me love Larry as a character
Sameeee
4:57 is how you perfectly turn an acting "beat". Taylor is a very good actress and this was the role of her lifetime. 💕
Taylor is so talented.
Yes that's crazy
She’s imperfect, which makes this drama perfect. I love Piper (and Taylor. )
finally!! Thank god Larry finally got to tell her what everybody was thinking.
I love as piper defend her love for Alex, cause every person in there lives said you don't stay together your are destructive, but the real love isn't perfect, the real love is about found every day bad and good things in the person who she loves Alex in this case yeah they are selfish and destructive but together maybe can found the real life for them
“I’m not that self destructive”
>monopolized a drug smuggling ring
>shipped her “business partner” off to max after ditching Alex for someone edgier at the time
It's fascinating that the Piper haters always seem to forget what went before. Stella stole all Piper's money. But it's Piper that is doing wrong.
Wolfsbane but even before she was doing wrong before Stella stole her money
Stella got exactly what Stella deserved. It was the best thing Piper did all season honestly. There was noting self destructive about that.
I know this is kinda unrelated but piper looks really pretty here
Lol
This scene was so good that I didn’t know if Piper’s denial is just bad writing or Taylor was so good portraying Piper that it’s just a typical Piper move
piper isn’t in denial, larry is. the truth is he never knew or even understood her and any conclusion he tries to make about her will never be correct because it all comes from bitterness and anger.
This is the best scene of the final season. It really shows Piper's character and her relationship with Alex via Larry (more like the writers). The limb analogy is definitely amazing. I think we cannot find another better way to describe Alex and Piper's relationship. They are like two broken souls and like human version of Yin and Yang. They are made for each other.
What an acting by Taylor Schilling❤❤.. She is very beautiful and incredible actress.. She deserves an emmy..
Never got why the audience hated Larry. Piper and Alex are horribly dysfunctional. Larry was always sympathetic of Piper's destructive behavior.
Zack Tobin 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
@@TheGhostofMrArthurs lmao. Did you forget about Larry's egotistical and selfish side, how he does things without considering the backlash he causes (that whole radio interview debacle), how he tried to make Piper's going to prison about himself, how he lied to Piper about Alex snitching on her? Larry is definitely not faultless. And it's not because he's a man as there were several male characters in the show that people liked.
And people started disliking Piper because she's white?! Lmao seriously? People hated on her because of her personality. Nicky's a predator? Okay, you're crazy. Lol
Luisa have you not seen nicky’s body count?? She’s fucked so many women in prison I lost count
For real. He was easily one of the most genuine characters on the show despite his flaws
Larry redeemed himself in this scene
Larry's 100% right though
Piper Chapman is a garbage character.
Taylor Schilling plays her PERFECTLY
I disagree, but you must be perfect sweetie.
Project Alice I don’t think everyone should need to say “just my opinion” when presenting an opinion. The original commenter didn’t say explicitly that anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or a worse person than them.
@@joycor1419 piper representation is sucks
Rectification : Garbage person, good character
CHIPS LAYS NATURE yes that's entirely what i meant. horrible person but a really great character so far as her arc & development. they wrote her really well
I never thought I say this but I absolutely respected Larry in this scene
Lol, her reaction when he said "celebrate ?" I love her
This scene was beautifully realistic. Well done. Fantastic it might've changed me as well
For some reason this scene stayed with me after all these years. When piper says "it's like I grew a limb when I met Alex and she's a part of my body". That's true Love. Piper has met enough people in her love but she's never gonna feel that way for anyway. She belongs with Alex... Old piper did and so does New piper. However, New piper mature and loyal enough to wait for the love of her life.
Polly was REALLY good for Larry, she changed him, she made him into a mature person. I really like Polly and Larry, they seem like the most realistic couple
Believe it or not. There are probably way more couples like Piper and Alex. Dysfunctional and obsessive and perhaps in love.
One of my fav scenes from oitnb I didn’t think that they were going to get closure like this but I’m so amazed with this scene❤️
Oh Larry. he knows so much, the guy who got with her best friend
This is such a weird point to make since he got with her best friend after she got sent to prison for drug smuggling due to an ex gf that he never knew about, who she then cheated on him with later. Like, it doesn't matter who he chose to love and care for after she clearly didn't give a shit about him or his feelings.
It doesn’t matter who he chose to love, it funny how ppl only way to hate him is by trying to get mad he got with her friend
Erica, I agree. Sleeping with the best friend was a low move and he was a jerk to Piper for that. Also, Piper at least apologized for what she did, he never said sorry once.
Larry is too nice. I would of said take whatever version of yourself you are and just take it far away from my house.
Same. She treated him like shit and broke his heart.
I need more about Piper and Alex. Spin off, or anything. Just wanna see them more. Desperately..
I wonder what we can do to get a spin off? 🤔 like I need it
This talk represents the big decision. Zelda vs Alex. Returning back her old life (happy, selfish, rich) or growing up through what she lived in prison (invisibility, empathy, facing the problems...). I'm glad she has decided right. The new Piper decided right
Going back to Alex was a monumentally bad decision and I bet they would break up in a few months. Totally toxic.
@@akshaynatu6568 nop
It was 100% the right decision. I think people missed Piper's entire story in Season 7 lol. She showed every step of the way she'd changed. She made mistakes and it was a roller coaster ride. But season 7 Piper, was the absolute best Piper of the whole series. Piper and Zelda would've been just like Piper and Larry, it would've been Piper marking time and taking the easy way out. New Piper made her own life and decided to wait for the love of her life rather than run and I loved it!
There's a golden message on this scene. 😍
The show definitely needed this
When I was younger I didn’t understand why he broke up with her but now that I’m older I’m glad he did and I fully understand
Hands down best scene in the finale.
I never hated Larry just hated that he cheated on Piper with her best friend. Of all people , her best friend? I however have always disliked Alex despite that their relationship has changed. I feel like Piper could do better.
Piper cheated on him first, karma's a bitch
Piper cheated first and he left because he was able to get what he wanted out of Piper, with Polly. He wanted a family, a wife, a partner and Piper never wanted that with him. Yes, I think it’s fucked up that it had to be with her best friend, but sometimes you can’t help who you fall in love with.
Larry never cheated tho that’s the funny part not once did he cheat
This was one of my favourite scenes in the whole show
As soon as piper compares Alex to growing another limb, that Alex is apart of her, good God I just broke down in tears. I felt that with every fiber of my being. & when Larry was talking about how great that other girl was & that she likes Piper but all Piper can think about is Alex & Piper just blurts out “because I love Alex!” & “or I might stay here & wait for Alex.”
Yes, there’s people you want to be with. They’re good for you, you like them. But it ends there. Then you meet someone who sets your soul in light. To the point of madness, to the point of devastation. They live within you. Become a apart of you. The darkest parts of you are filled with light. Losing that person is truly like losing an arm, losing a leg. Your heart.
Alex is & will always be the one for Piper. It really is maddening how decisions of the heart are completely involuntary.
Larry was actually likable in this scene!
Piper did change like she really did from season 5 I really saw a change like from then we knew piper and Alex loved each other and piper became more happier and stop doing bullshit things she admitted what she did wrong and then moved on so guys stop saying piper deserves what Larry said cause she really didn’t she has changed from season 1-7 she did
Zelma and McCullough and Stella etc can go kick rocks! You can't touch the untouchable!
I hope I never feel the way about another human being the way Piper feels about Alex. Having your entire happiness and state of mind depend on being with another human being, no matter how well or how badly they treat you, no matter if they outright abuse you, to fall apart if they're not in the picture... if that's love, then I'll strangle Cupid to death with my bare hands before he strikes me with one of those cursed arrows.
And I'm speaking as a guy who's been married and divorced.
no one cares
@@transmatized Yet you took time out of your day to reply.
Piper is great ...this escene...Taylor is an amazing actress
I’m in awe of their acting talent
It’s his fault. Dude should have never lied to her about Alex snitching on her smh
"Alex broke up with me, idk what to do" - piper
"Celebrate?" - larry
LMFAOOOO
LARRY NAILED THAT ANALYSIS, AND PIPER TRASHED ALL OVER HIS ADVICE. it was so anticlimatic how she naively denied everything and went to alex.
Yeah. Seriously. Fuck Alex and fuck Vauseman. What a shitty, broken, toxic relationship. "Because I looooooove Alex!" Piper is so immature and needs to grow up.
He was pretty wrong and clearly loved who he thought she was without knowing her heart or soul. Alex actually knows her and loves her for who she is. This is why I'm happy she chose Alex over him and Zelda. Sometimes people want love to be simple and straightforward. All of her circle come from a place of privilege and would never understand her or Alex but that doesn't mean their love is wrong. Their love is pretty deep to overcome all they did and still care so deeply. It's the Piper Larry relationship that was shallow and meaningless. He never loved Piper but what she could do for him and his image. He continued to use her in prison for his career. To get with her best friend as well... He's just not got any morals so he would never understand a person with inner convictions. Wouldn't surprise me if later down the line if his relationship didn't last if Piper suddenly wanted to live life slightly differently because he not very accepting of differences. He took himself away from her and stole her friend and dreams and he and Polly were despicable to make Piper feel bad for being angry at them. That was a normal reaction to anyone whose fiancé slept with their best friend. They were the ones who needed to grovel, not make Piper do it.
Honestly, he would make a terrible husband. You're meant to support a spouse in all situations and he left pretty quickly. The fact he can talk to someone he used to 'love' like this especially at her most vulnerable moment... he just has no heart really. All he does is judge others but can't see how deeply flawed he and his actions were and how unloving he was from the start. He's got a very weak personality and it's obvious when he ends up at the bar and also ending up with Polly but because he had therapy he thinks he's this enlightened person when he's just regurgitating some stranger's second hand account of a person he never truly loved.
You said a whole bunch of nothing…it seems like your going off what has happened to you 😂😂😂😂
I like how piper nvr mentioned getting taken by someone aka piscatella and was almost faced death 🤣
Perhaps I cried a little
I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like Alex. I'll never be ok with her snitching on piper
laycia fontenot I’m mostly mad that she lied about it
Alex is the most toxic, manipulative, nasty character. I’ve never liked her and I don’t understand the love for her within the fans of the show. Yeah, she’s hot but that’s it. She’s still a shitty person who you could never truly trust.
Same but she got time off for it
Francesca Fox she protected piper so much in season six by protecting her from Baddison and Carol which risked Alex getting extra time in her sentence just so piper didn’t because she knew it would destroy her
I mean, it's not exactly like Piper is faultless. As far as I'm concerned, they're both fucked up and they deserve each other. Plus, you have to consider that even though Alex snitched on Piper, Piper got her revenge didn't she? She literally did the exact same thing to Alex in season 2, and was equally selfish in reasoning. In fact what Piper did could be considered WORSE. Like Alex gets to go free from prison after learning the lessons prison teaches about NEVER going back to prison, and gets a taste of free life again... until Piper snitches on her and Alex gets taken BACK to a prison she already got out of once, like... that's actually horrible. The embarrassment alone might kill me
She was Vause's doormat. Vause talked her into carrying drugs which got her 18 months, double crossed her and testified against the drug dealer to get released, only came back to prison because she was afraid while she left Piper in prison and ruined her engagement to Larry. And yet Piper still yearns for her. Some women would rather get treated like dirt.
Hubo arrepentimiento por parte de Alex y ya le había dado su libertad,más que nada prevaleció el amor!!!
taylor is so good
The analysis Larry gave is exactly the same one Alex gave to Piper around season one. And just like Piper said, that's the old version of herself, that's season 1 piper, not season 7 piper. I don't think Piper is in denial, she's angry. Larry said prison might be the best thing that ever happen to piper, because just like Alex, it is eccentric and special. Alex and Piper both almost died in the prison, Piper has a burned in window on her arm, and I know he didn't mean any harm but putting Alex's and Piper's entire journey to just that, of course pissed off piper.
I love Larry in this scene. He’s grown as a person since the start of the show, but it’s like Piper has stayed in the exact same place, further evidenced by the fact that she actually went back to Alex in the end. I’m upset that she never grew as a person and never realized that her and Alex just weren’t meant for each other in the first place. Their relationship only worked (hardly) for so long because they were in such close proximity to each other.
Idk, I think it’s kinda confusing, because on the one hand, the fact that Piper decided to wait for Alex shows that she did change, I mean the old Piper wouldn’t have waited, she just would have left. But on the other hand, as you said, the fact that she went back to Alex proves that she didn’t change, i mean, as Larry said, Piper was looking for something especial, and Alex was her ticket to special, and Piper could be totally fine with Zelda but she is still looking for THAT special which is Alex. Idk if I am being clear. Nevertheless as Alex said “when you have a connection with someone it never really goes away”
@@mayelaescalante7239 I think the fact that Piper ended up w Alex doesn't mean that she didn't change. I think of it as her being with the same person but for different reasons. Back then her only reason was this feeling of being special and for self-centered reasons, but in the end she let go of a lot of her shortcuts ( Zelda's awesome life ) and waited for Alex. It's something that she couldn't do in the past and her whole development was basically around solving that and her toxic traits
See I disagree with this the fact that she chose to stay and wait for Alex WAS her character growth. She was always running away and she chose to finally stop running.
the new Piper should have dropped both Alex and Zelda and focused on herself for once. She always goes back to Alex and ending up with Zelda would have been the same situation with Larry. I would have much rather have seen her end up with no one. Sometimes it's okay to be alone
Stop saying piper was a garbage person, yes she did some stupid thing but she is human and all of us did some mistakes sometime, the show without piper and alex ending up together it would be a shit show. She did what she did coz she was in LOVE with Alex🖤 so deal with that people.
This shit rips my soul out idk why it’s just a really sad scene
Editing two years later like a weirdo: I feel like I’m the only person who was rooting for Piper and Larry
Lol, it's okay. Me too, but they weren't meant for each other. I was glad Larry found someone else
5:18
Often our body speaks more than our words. I guess Chapman knew at some point what she was, but denying herself is part of her nature.
I am by no means an expert on this series, but i do believe that like movies and books a good chunk should represent the whole of what it is and this scene does just that. It addresses these two characters, and their journeys in their lives.
It also reflects a lot of real life scenarios. I myself am recently divorced and can really relate what Larry's feeling. My ex was always restless she could never settle down because she wanted something that wasn't a path, or something that wasn't normal because she felt that normal stuff had failed her and made her miserable so she decided she was better off cut off from everything.
Meanwhile, I'm rebuilding and continuing on the path that i hope will lead to raising a family.
Larry has every right to tell Piper to fuck off and yet...he stood there patiently and even gave her advice (albeit a tad salty but who wouldn’t in his situation) he’s such a kind person who got fucked over, so glad he found happiness.
That's because, at his core, Larry is a good man. Yeah, he was a bit naive and immature in the early seasons, but he was never a bad person. And you can still tell that he cares about Piper, even though she treated him terribly. Was he perfect? No. He made mistakes, too. But he is truly a decent person overall.
Larry was spot on!!! She is in so much denial!!!
The fact that they define love as someone who ruined your life and could still ruin. You're gonna wait for them instead of moving on and never looking back, is is the dumbest shit ever
Thank you! "Ermagherd they're SOULMATES!!1"...yep, because being completely toxic for each other's mental health, breaking up and getting back together multiple times each season, purposefully sabotaging each other's lives and chances to get away is just GOALS, am I right?!
I wish that Piper had given herself a true "clean slate". Alex breaking up with her in the final season was the kindest thing she ever did for Piper and I'm not ashamed to say I yelled "thank fuck" when it happened. If only they'd stayed apart.
It shows just how much Alex loves piper in letting her go she broke her own heart that's huge
So I’m rewatching this scene for the first time, and I can’t remember how it initially made me feel but damn Larry nailed this. At first I thought he was being bitter but then hearing him be supportive and talk about Zelda I was like damn lowkey he is right lmao
I hated that she went with Alex and was hoping she would move past her. They have a very destructive relationship and I feel like Larry was absolutely right about her. I think that Piper working things out with her family (especially her dad), owning her mistakes, going back to school to get a law degree, and moving onto a healthy relationship was the perfect ending for Piper. Plus, Piper wasn't great for Alex either! Alex needed to find herself and figure out a way to be "good" without Piper helping her continuously to make the right decision. I would have preferred Alex being alone, but on the path of self discovery. I thought her letting Piper go was the first sign of this new self-growth and I was all for it. I understand why they wanted to put these two together, but I think that their love wouldn't have been diminished by not being together. Sometimes people come into your life and are meant to help you grow (doesn't mean that the love wasn't there) but they aren't meant to be life-long partners. I think Alex should have been that for Piper.
Well. Said. Towards the end i couldn't help but genuinely roll my eyes and sigh.
Give Larry his props. He put up with so much from Piper. If she hadn't gotten arrested, they wouldn't have gotten married and if they did it wouldn't have worked out. I think in her own way she suffered from PTSD. Piper reminds me so much of The Ladies on The UK Soaps. For example on EastEnders Sharon Mitchell can Date, Sleep with another Man but it's Phil Mitchell that she wants, same thing with Katherine "Kat" Moon, she does the same thing but it's her Soulmate Alfred "Alfie" Moon. They do it because they don't know how to lead a Drama Free Life. I think that Taylor Schilling's Girlfriend had a small part in "Carol" where she flirted with Rooney Mara's Character Therese Belivet. Also Piper is so lucky in comparison to some of the other Ladies. She has a Family to go home to, a support system. She's not living in a Shelter or an overcrowded Apt., she doesn't have Kids in "Care", she has so much to be grateful for and it's not enough. My Uncle's Ex Girlfriend had three failed marriages and I sometimes wonder if it's because she still had feelings for him.
Larry ages so well...
I came to this video to see who agreed with me that Larry was SPOT ON about Piper, and I have not been disappointed.
I'm just watching the series rn.
Larry did the right thing leaving her. Both of them weren't good for each other
it just hit me that the whole turning point of pipers character arc is in this “go do what new piper would do”. pre-litchfield piper will not follow alex to ohio because as alex had put it, piper walks away when things get hard but she did the opposite because the old piper is gone. her love for alex and prison changed her. because alex is always it for piper, the finish line. she didn’t see the next 3 years as a hurdle for her and alex’s relationship but she sees it as the start of something. something better, something that has always been there the moment she met alex. and so she did, she left her old life in new york, her family and what could have been with zelda. because in the end she just wants to be home. and that home is alex, always have been and always will be.
Some solid acting here
Honestly he’s right about Piper (I didn’t like her much in S3 or S4) but still... Alex is better for her 😌
I really liked this scene because I think it's really relatable that Larry had such a deep psychoanalysis of Piper because he would've had a long time to think about their relationship and just to understand pipers decisions because that's what every one else does when they have bad experiences or relationship breakdowns. You just spend ages creating arguments and formulating ideas in your head to explain the behaviour of other people and I could feel that Larry was really satisfied when he told Piper all of his thoughts about her because he would've just kept it in his mind for ages and was finally able to express it to her.
But I also think that he wasn't entirely right. I believe Piper when she says that she's not that self destructive. Especially since she has grown and matured and isn't the same person that he knew like she said. But also because I think even when she first transported the drugs with Alex I don't think that it was entirely just her trying to deviate from the WASP future laid out in front of her and be unique. I think she was more swept up in her love for Alex and the new lifestyle and I feel like all the other ideas about her wanting to be different were more subconscious or afterthoughts but I don't think that's her true character.
I guess I've just seen so many characters lately who have a set path and they move from it and go with some wild adventurous and dangerous life instead and now it feels cliche so to me hearing that Piper is that same type of character is kind of boring and I'd personally prefer to think that she's just got a deep and somewhat toxic and faulty connection with Alex but she's learning to grow and mature and keep her life on track and avoid doing stupid and life impacting things and that her staying with Alex is not a regression. And when Alex is out of prison if they can last that long honestly I don't think their relationship will be toxic because there won't be any more barriers and I think they really would be happy together and supportive.
I think it was a pretty good conclusion for all those characters.
Una de las escenas donde está indecisa sobre lo que tiene que hacer con su relación con Álex,pero hizo lo que su corazón le dictó esperar a que saliera,no fue un buen final pero se entendió que siguieron juntas a pesar de todo lo que habían pasado y lo que los demás dijeran de su relación.
This scene was so needed! Well played by Piper finally defending...her new self:) Hits too much close to home...my life in a nutshell before OITNB...I wanted Piper's ending....not mine