Happens with murderers and rapists all the time in Australia. Even if and when get jail they are out again in no time to do the same thing.... Disgraceful
Agreed - that MORON IGNORANT STUPID JUDGE needs to be held ACCOUNTABLE. SHE had responsibility for this person having released her with a dangerous record into the PUBLIC. Obviously if Shirley was capable of killing someone she loved she could kill ANOTHER PERSON she loved. That judge needs to be NO LESS THAN 1. Put in prison 15 years 2. Barred from ever serving the courts or ANY public position again
Acid Roof Productions If you understand the bail decision, fine but why let her have the child unsupervised while making the lovely, truly lovely, innocent grandparents with no record whatsoever jump through hoops to care for the baby they so desperately wanted to raise, love and keep safe? The documentary Dear Zachary is about this and it blew my mind. Those grandparents, I just want them to have had some justice, fairness etc.
"Eight restraining orders... over 200 harassing messages." Well, that sounds like a stable and trustworthy individual who can handle custody of the baby she had with the man she murdered.
Let's also not forget what she did to other prisoners while she too was in prison (stabbing one woman with a fork); or the fact that she had 8 restraining orders against her, while in Canada. What an epic fail on Canada's justice system. The US has had many of their own, but dayum.
Ikr? I love documentaries, & I can usually watch my favorite docs more than once, after a time, & still enjoy them.... But I would never watch that again, it's too heart-rending
The documentary on Andrew Bagby was heartbreaking. “Dear Zachary”; horrible woman for all the hell she inflicted on his family and friends. I hope she’s burning right now, if there is a hell.
Angela Bordack he was so loved. I watched it a few years back. I felt like the world lost a wonderful person and that poor baby looked just like him. It made me mad and sad at the same time.
I cried so hard when I saw that movie. How f*cking selfish can one person be? Also reminds me of the Reddit user JasonInHell who’s wife cheated on him and then murdered his children when he tried to leave her (after giving her second chances and trying to forgive her infidelity). Idk how these kind hearted people end up with such evil partners. It’s so sad. Editing to add how sorry I feel for the grandparents. They are hurting the most here.
Watch the documentary Dear Zachary, it is both heartwrenching and heartwarming. It allows you to see the tremendous botchery of criminal justice in Canada, and allows you to understand the grief of the Bagby family. Also, it gives a fantastic perspective of the case from views of Andrew's parents and his friends. It is truly lovely to see what a wonderful being Andrew was and how much his son would've meant (and did mean) to both he and his parents.
@@nursehegehog yeah they do it all the time, it's much better understood now than it was last century, last century you were very likely to be arrested on your confessing alone ... Also, people are forced into confessions like the kid in Making A Murderer, & we understand much better now why they make false confessions
If I remember correctly (I am Australian) we didn’t have a large amount of laws around destruction of corpses then & people frequently did home funerals etc. so they probably thought it was some dodgy cremation or similar.
@@EJY318 Actually, it wasn't uncommon for women's skirts to catch fire if fainting while smoking. The fainting wasn't uncommon because of the corsets they wore which restricted the ability to breath. So youre actually pretty spot on with your guess.
@@Mmmmmmmmnmmmmn From everything i had read, they were still relatively common until the 1910s or 1920s, even in Australia. myplace.edu.au/decades_timeline/1910/decade_landing_9.html?tabRank=3&subTabRank=4 Granted, they were starting to die off by the time this incident occurred, and they may have been more common in Europe and in the Americas. But in 1824, when Australia was officially called Australia, corsets were still very common. Also, in 1911, Myra Taylor, an Australian lady, patented a new style of corset that was much less painful, and less constricting then all the ones prior to its creation.
@@Mmmmmmmmnmmmmn Tight lacing was pretty popular during most of the Victorian era. All the women in novels and movies based in that time were always fainting for a variety of reasons. Yes, a huge reason may be because of tight lacing. But it was also expsctes of women to be emotionally fragile. It was considered to be womanly, if a lady is so delicate she faints at rhe drop of a hate. Then the dashing manly man gets to sweep up his lady fair and "rescue" his damsel by carrying her to a dark room to sleep off all of the "stimulation" and "excitement." There are a few other suspextes reaspns as to women were seen fainting, (or pretending to) so often and easily. But I'm pretty sure those are the 2 big reasons. Actually the term, "tight lacing" itself, wasn't recorded anywhere until that particular era, as a matter of fact. 20 years or so after the incident in the video took place, in the 1840s and 1850s was the term Tight Lacong first used and caught on as the actual label, or name, for the practice of tightening one's corset to the extreme. Tight lacing didn't really start its decline until the later years of the Vicorian era, (about 1900) when people started talking pretty loudly about the possible ill medical effect that the practice can cause, with some cases those effects would be permanent. That started a whole new movement against it called, The Great Corset Controversy. Still, even then, during the early 20th century, corsets and tight lacing fell in and out of trend every other decade it seems. So during the 1820s and 1830s, (the era we were originally talkong about.) tight lacing still was nearly in its prime, regarding it's popularity and trending.
The last story kills me. The Dear Zachary documentary goes into so much detail on this and it absolutely broke my heart. Shirley was such a vile monster.
I actually had heard of Zachary on the news when I was a kid I remember being angry about it I own the documentary I cry Bc I’m a mother if Shirley was alive oh I’d kill her. She thinks she’s with her son no b he’s with his dad u murdered u psycho
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26:55 "But she had given up custody of all three children": Sorry, that's the biggest red flag any guy could possibly have waved in front of his face. Avoid, avoid, avoid.
my paternal grandmother was forced to give up all 3 of her kids (husband's family was of higher social standing and she was an orphan) but she was the one who ended up dying under mysterious circumstances in the 40s.
I gave up custody of my two children to their rich father. It was either that or move them all into a trailer and let my eldest be a nanny while I wait tables to pay the bills. No thank you, and if you can't understand that then I agree, keep on walking is the best thing you could possibly do.
“Dear Zachary” was legitimately the saddest thing I’ve ever watched. I’ve seen so many murder stories by this point, and I don’t cry much or get too emotional but oh my god that movie had me bawling. Andrew’s parents are some of the strongest people in the world and victims of a negligent system, and my heart truly goes out to them. I hope nothing like that ever happens to anyone ever again. I wouldn’t wish that suffering on my worst enemy.
That might be the most beautiful, heartbreaking, and constructive film and storytelling that I've ever experienced. It was a masterpiece and has served far more than its initial purpose. It has led to a complete overhaul of the Canadian justice system and personifies victims rights campaigns. Incredible 1.5 hours for anyone willing to watch.
It's cases like the last one that should be used to allow families to sue & press charges against ridiculous judges. If they're held accountable for their actions, I guarantee there would be different decisions made. 😡😡
@@seanmartin6773 I highly doubt that. The few judges I have met in social settings have been very self-assured that the choices they made when they were serving were just, given the evidence they were aware of at the time. One admitted he was wrong about a few decisions he made, but all were totally remorseful. Even with the benefit of hindsight, "can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs".
Im sorry to say this, but the "judge" is STILL a judge with the court of appeals. Judge's name is Gale Welsh- www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insurance/you-unsuccessfully-jump-into-the-back-of-a-hatchback-to-avoid-a-tragic-injury-do-you-occupy-the-car-1004172164/
@@GrimTactics I hear ya. Recently, a woman who thinks she is a man gave birth to a baby and was mad the judge refused to put her down as the father! The judge insisted she be listed as the mother on the birth certificate.
I can't imagine the pain the last couple had to go through: first the loss of their son and then the loss of their grandson (the only member of their son's lineage). And what a grandson! Zachary looks like such a lovable, beautiful, adorable child. His expressions melt my heart. I wish my own future children are as adorable. Such a tragic, heartbreaking case.
Andrew Bagby is one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever heard. 🙏 prayers for the Bagby family....such a sad and terrible story. May Andrew and his little boy rest in peace....
ice la honk you can find it on TH-cam. That’s where I found it. I discovered the documentary right as I was expecting my first child and I swear it nearly broke me. They include family footage and commentary from the family. He was such a happy child and loved playing with his family. Nearly every photo of Zachary here he is smiling. He’s also smiling in nearly every family video too! Life can be so unfair. The monologue where the grandfather explains his plan to murder the mom was so sad too. I strongly recommend watching it.
I have never once cried to the point of sobbing while watching somethig until I watched Dear Zachary. I still get chills & get emotional just thinking about it.
Yeah the judge said, awe she was just angry, hahaha! I get angry but I don't get criminal over it. Hello? Sometimes I think there's psychopaths operating in the judicial system too. I watched one where they let off a violent serial rapist in a small town that is used to not locking their doors and everybody knows everyone so they have a sense of feeling safe. Well of course he, and a retard he gathered up to do it with, raped and killed two teenagers. The town felt like he was deliberately dropped on them. The Delphi case, same thing, a town of 3,000 with 30 sex offenders within a ten mile radius. They really are deliberately dropping them off in small towns. Sick!
I never met Shirley personally. But by all accounts of the people who new her she was a psychopath. I know people on the internet, claim to know people personally all the time. I live in Newfoundland, Canada. I use to date a guy from Portland Creek. Where one of her ex husbands and one daughter is from. Was shocked when I found who they were. The husband told me personally she was very abusive and stabbed him in the back with a fork. That father was given custody of the daughter. Shirley didn't give her up her rights they were taken away in that case. I don't know about the other two kids. Just that husband and child. Obviously it's a sensitive issue so it isn't talked about a lot. The town has a population of 30-50 ppl.
@RantCasey19 I didn't wish to imply that either. I saw it as "A female judge shows female criminal leniency", which I have seen happen before. I didn't mean to imply women are bad judges overall, because that would be untrue.
Judge's hands are tied when a jury finds them not guilty. Remember they never proved she killed him. Jury couldn't convict and judge couldn't sentence. Judges don't get the right to determine guilt. They only sentence after a jury convicts, the defendant pleads guilty or a deal with the DA is reached. They actually don't have as much power as you might think.
@@chrisbennett6236 actually a Judge can. Federal law inexplicably can override a juries not guilty verdict. Before you get on here and say different look it up
@@chrisbennett6236 damn the law, it’s basic common sense dude, she clearly killed the man and was a danger to people and herself. And now an innocent baby is dead because people like you don’t have any common sense.
@Shoshanna Addley I like the fact you said they should explain how it is wrong, instead of just saying "you're wrong." Yes those mistakes cost money. Some people just love to pull others up on their grammar and punctuation. You did it in a nice polite way and am sure others would appreciate that.
As many times as I read the story about Eugenia, yours gave much more details, keep up the great research. I had no idea about a bio-daughter, or seen other pictures of him
I 100% agree with the dad’s sentiment that I would have watched the life leave that horrible woman’s body by my hand and went home and fallen asleep knowing I did what had to be done. I don’t usually get emotional about these videos, but this one will stay with me forever.
Andy hopes after he accused his father of molestation and murder, that his relationship with his dad can be repaired...umm...wow. I still think Andy had something to do with it.
You must have missed the part where they said a more detailed test proved his DNA was not one of the three found on her. I think he legitimately wanted the police to do their damn job and actually examine her body. Why they didn't when it was obvious she had been murdered is beyond comprehension. Lazy ass police work is the real problem with this case.
But men still wanted to date her! She was clearly cray cray from start! Andrew dated her knowing she was x2 divorcee and her ex had full custody of the kids. How cray do you have to be that the father has SOLE custody!
The last case about Andrew Bagby, there is a documentary about it called “Dear Zachary”, and I highly recommend it. One of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever watched 💔
When I watched "Dear Zachary" I didn't know the story behind it...when I got to the end I cried my eyes out. That poor family had to bury a son and a grandson. My heart breaks for them
It was so sad when they said they were going to commit suicide together but decided to live when all of Andrew's friends said they were the Bagby's kids. The friends kept those parents going.
The Crawford case is messed up and sad all around! What a tortured life he lived!!! I'm not excusing what happened to Annie - that's just tragic, she had a terrible, cruel end!
@Get That Money Get That Money that's like these young female teachers who get nothing for having sex with kids. If they're good looking it's ok to many people, when someone grown being sexually attracted to a child is just sick!
I wish the baby would have been able to be with Zacharys parents. They would have given that baby everything. He looks so much like his dad. That poor grandpa 😭
I couldn’t imagine having to live life after the person that murdered my only child turned around and murdered my only grandchild. After I had to make small talk with them to be in that child’s life. Smh
They tortured those poor grandparents. After watching the documentary on the case, you just want happiness for them so desperately and you realize fucking Shirley and the dumb judge took that away from them.
Yeah it's up there with losing a child at the age of four to a genetic disease, then finding out years later after their second was born that they too were born with the same incurable disease. Watching one child die is bad enough, having to to watch it a second time would be life ending.
All death is sad, murder is always horrendous. But that last story was so absolutely heartbreaking. That horrible woman destroyed that entire family. Killed their son, killed their grandson and you know that basically killed them too. You never come back from that sort of grief.
Some people are like that i grow up in bording schools and faster parents nobody would look for me when i was young amd always run away becausse could not deal with those people toke ma mom 5 years to start looking for me lol well no thank u then
Back in those days though, it was much much harder to keep in touch with people ☺️ If, for example, someone moved house and didn’t leave a forwarding address, the family had no way of contacting them. It also wasn’t uncommon back then for people to be evicted or told to leave with no warning, so they may not have a forwarding address to give. 🤔 Then, if the FAMILY moved and left no forwarding address (or the new residents misplaced it/didn’t want to pass it along), both sides had no way of contacting each other. ☺️ It happened all the time back then. Most people were perfectly fine and eventually managed to get back in touch. They might just assume that the “missing” person had no fixed address at that time possibly due to a job that involves travel, or is onboard a boat, so they haven’t sent their family letters if there’s nowhere to send the reply to yet ☺️🤷🏼♀️ For us, it’s hard to imagine how people can lose touch but back then it was common. You might have to call and write to all your extended family members to ask if they’ve seen so-and-so, and if they have contact details for them. Then wait weeks and weeks for replies (depending on distance and mail delivery timescales) 😂😂 I don’t envy the people of those times 😂✌🏻
The last case broke my heart the judicial system can be so blind. The lady was clearly heartless/ beyond nuts & the judge should do time for letting her off 😔. Baby Zachary would still be alive.
I just watched the documentary named Dear Zachary and I wasn't ready for it. I literally cried. It is the full story of Andrew Bagby and his son Zachary. So heart-shattering :(
You may see my exhusband on here, but "due to lack of evidence, Nicole was never convicted and still lives in Canada surrounded by friends and family who support her innocent to this day...the body was never found..."
"Dear Zachary" incensed me beyond imagination. I am unable to understand how one individual can be so astonishingly vile. It is hard to believe that no one was able to intervene and save that poor child. One can only hope that Zachary's grandparents have been able to find some solace in the loving memory of their grandchild.
@@catatouille omg that documentary made me cry with sorrow and rage. It made me sick to my stomach. His parents pain.... its awful. It was put together very well but such a horrible doc.
The man who was murdered by that psycho had a good friend who did a documentary about this case. It’s very detailed and all his friends and the mans family are throughout it. I think it’s title has the name Zachary in it. Either way, it would be easy to find if you search a bit. It broke my heart what that family endured. The grandparents are heartbroken.
I feel so guilty for being so excited for these videos cause people died and these videos are made on those deaths. I will always click criminally listed if I'm watching other stuff and get that notification.
I am a creature of the dark I get that .. but hey at least their stories are heard by so so many people that acknowledge these people and in their own way kind of pay respect to their story, I think it’s better than them being forgotten ! Ya know? Idk that’s how I try to look at it :P lolll
We appreciate all your hard-work, time and effort you put into these videos. I'm sure the loved ones of the victims in these videos also appreciate a voice for their loved ones.
I don't understand why he draws out the final consonants on words .. Shirleeeeeeeeeee Murderrrrrrrrrr, obviously there's a lot of work put into these videos but I just can't bear to listen to any more of them :(
Wow y'all are so hard on him for the way he talks. I honestly love listening to the narrations. I'm not a fan of slow talkers, but he doesn't talk slow. He draws out certain sounds but I think he does it for intensive purposes. Its calming to me and I enjoy listening anyhow. But each to their own.
Excellent work as always. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single episode of CL that hasn't been a great watch. At first your voice grated on me, but I've grown to appreciate it. Same for the background music, which seemed repetitious, but now is integral to the overall feel of the show. Keep up the good work.
In Seattle an illegal raped and beat a handicapped woman. At court he promised to "self deport" back to Mexico and the judge released him to do so. Surprise ending: he found his victim and beat her again. He is now at large.
A woman who did not have custody of ANY of her THREE children should NEVER have been allowed to keep her 4th. She must have been the most charismatic, manipulative person ever. And that guy was the most naive. How in the world was he smart enough to be a doctor? Mystifying.
My mind is just blown that the court would except a promise to be on your best behavior as an acceptable way of letting someone out... that's just insane
The judge that said Shirley wasnt a danger to anyone else; "she just got angry, and killed the man that made her angry." How does that not describe a dangerous person??? Those poor Parents and Grandparents 💜
People don’t like to admit it, but the Polixe can only do soo much. There are plenty of cases where the Police over look evidence, get tunnel vision, and investigate lazily. But you really have to blame the criminal justice system as a whole. In most cases, the Police do their jobs more thoroughly than prosecutors and judges. Attorneys and Judges have a nothing to lose mentality, because cases just get slapped on their desk. In regards to Detectives and police in general, they are conastanly under a microscope when dealing with murders or high profile cases. It’s a double edged sword. Cops want to catch everyone and of course they want to make arrests on homicide cases, but a lot are afraid to because if wrong, it could mean their job, or life. Cops are very expendable, where prosecution and judges aren’t.
"I love you and thats enough to make me change my ways" is a lie women have fallen for since time began,and will till time ceases, maybe they all hope their man is the 1 in 100 that actually changes his wild ways
Good job! You've not only overreacted in an amusing manner, but also made yourself look like a total jackass who thinks in overgeneralizations and stereotypes.
Dear Zachary is the documentary about this case, it's heart wrenching... I saw it 5 years ago and i still cry everytime i remember it. It's one of those situations where you question if there is any point to life...
"Do you promise to not murder in cold blood without any justification whatsoever ever again?"
"Yes"
"Good! You are free to go!"
My jaw hit the ground when I heard that
It writes itself..
Happens with murderers and rapists all the time in Australia. Even if and when get jail they are out again in no time to do the same thing....
Disgraceful
@@frankboff1260 The courts are failing these victims and their families.
Mike C yes they are. They are also failing the community as well. The system currently works in favour of the criminals. It must be changed.
The system failed Zachary.
Agreed - that MORON IGNORANT STUPID JUDGE needs to be held ACCOUNTABLE. SHE had responsibility for this person having released her with a dangerous record into the PUBLIC. Obviously if Shirley was capable of killing someone she loved she could kill ANOTHER PERSON she loved. That judge needs to be NO LESS THAN 1. Put in prison 15 years 2. Barred from ever serving the courts or ANY public position again
@@sstritmatter2158 Dude calm down. The judge is here in Newfoundland. We're just trusting people ok. I understand the judge's decision.
Acid Roof Productions If you understand the bail decision, fine but why let her have the child unsupervised while making the lovely, truly lovely, innocent grandparents with no record whatsoever jump through hoops to care for the baby they so desperately wanted to raise, love and keep safe? The documentary Dear Zachary is about this and it blew my mind. Those grandparents, I just want them to have had some justice, fairness etc.
@@acidroofproductions9378 You might feel differently if it was your loved one - dead.
@@sstritmatter2158 Absolutely.
So she gets bail, the baby, and she has 8 restraining orders and charged with murder? What kind of convoluted nonsense is that?
Right?!
Too bad someone didn't permit the baby a restraining order on his behalf 😒
That’s Canadian justice for you. Our courts are a joke.
Amberielle T America is the only country with half way decent courts.
Canada let’s rapist get out in less than a year , and even murderers
@@No1reallydies so do rapist in the US, it just depends on your race or how much money you have.
"Eight restraining orders... over 200 harassing messages."
Well, that sounds like a stable and trustworthy individual who can handle custody of the baby she had with the man she murdered.
and lets not forget she did NOT have custody of her other 3 children
👍 truth
Let's also not forget what she did to other prisoners while she too was in prison (stabbing one woman with a fork); or the fact that she had 8 restraining orders against her, while in Canada. What an epic fail on Canada's justice system. The US has had many of their own, but dayum.
When I have kids, I'll make sure to hire someone like her. Need more people like her.. 😆
Dear Zachary is one of the saddest documentaries i've ever watched.
that_white_jku Yes it is I remember seeing some of it
Ikr?
I love documentaries, & I can usually watch my favorite docs more than once, after a time, & still enjoy them.... But I would never watch that again, it's too heart-rending
Destroyed me for days
They let her get away with so much. I can’t believe they had to take phone calls from the women who murders their son. She’s evil.
Agree.... it is one of the crime documentaries I never want to see again.
“He said that after he accused his father of sexually assaulting and murdering Nicole, their relationship became strained.” Yeah... well.. 🤦🏻♀️
Hannah Whitney such a tragic story, she was beautiful as well. Hope she’s resting easy.
@@JunaWaAmin Creep.
@@Flamsterette seems like you don't know what complements are.... maybe you've never gotten one, yeah? Lol!
@@JunaWaAmin keep it in your pants dude this is a comment section in a murder case youtube video
No sher shitlock
The documentary on Andrew Bagby was heartbreaking. “Dear Zachary”; horrible woman for all the hell she inflicted on his family and friends. I hope she’s burning right now, if there is a hell.
Angela Bordack he was so loved. I watched it a few years back. I felt like the world lost a wonderful person and that poor baby looked just like him. It made me mad and sad at the same time.
Jeanette James I’ve watched it about 5 times and bawl every time.
I cried so hard when I saw that movie. How f*cking selfish can one person be? Also reminds me of the Reddit user JasonInHell who’s wife cheated on him and then murdered his children when he tried to leave her (after giving her second chances and trying to forgive her infidelity). Idk how these kind hearted people end up with such evil partners. It’s so sad.
Editing to add how sorry I feel for the grandparents. They are hurting the most here.
I came to say the same. A heartbreaking documentary for sure.
@@theantichrist5191
For cheating? Lol back to the dark ages with your medieval ass lol
Poor little Zachery never had a chance, Such a beautiful child..........
charliedontsurf70 RIP Zachary. Shirley was a real piece of work.
Watch the documentary Dear Zachary, it is both heartwrenching and heartwarming. It allows you to see the tremendous botchery of criminal justice in Canada, and allows you to understand the grief of the Bagby family. Also, it gives a fantastic perspective of the case from views of Andrew's parents and his friends. It is truly lovely to see what a wonderful being Andrew was and how much his son would've meant (and did mean) to both he and his parents.
😭😓😪
@@raymondaranda8716 No.I'm a Father, My children are Beautiful too.
I wish the grandfather had killed her. I know its not right to say but that's how I feel.
You should never have to “convince” the police to do their job, and look for a missing child.
You definitely do though, and you better be convincing, and know what to say to get them to take it seriously.
Police: “Listen you can’t just come in here and confess to a murder without proof!”
People falsely confess to murders for publicity. Many have in the past.
In a court of law just a confession will not work. There has to be evidence to back up the confession or it is not admissible
@@nursehegehog yeah they do it all the time, it's much better understood now than it was last century, last century you were very likely to be arrested on your confessing alone ... Also, people are forced into confessions like the kid in Making A Murderer, & we understand much better now why they make false confessions
He thought his DNA was enough proof.
@@squirrellygirl8326 ....unless of course you are in China or North Korea.....
The first case the medical examiner didn’t find any evidence of foul play, she was on fire! How much more do you need??
If I remember correctly (I am Australian) we didn’t have a large amount of laws around destruction of corpses then & people frequently did home funerals etc. so they probably thought it was some dodgy cremation or similar.
@@EJY318 Actually, it wasn't uncommon for women's skirts to catch fire if fainting while smoking. The fainting wasn't uncommon because of the corsets they wore which restricted the ability to breath. So youre actually pretty spot on with your guess.
@@Mmmmmmmmnmmmmn From everything i had read, they were still relatively common until the 1910s or 1920s, even in Australia.
myplace.edu.au/decades_timeline/1910/decade_landing_9.html?tabRank=3&subTabRank=4
Granted, they were starting to die off by the time this incident occurred, and they may have been more common in Europe and in the Americas. But in 1824, when Australia was officially called Australia, corsets were still very common.
Also, in 1911, Myra Taylor, an Australian lady, patented a new style of corset that was much less painful, and less constricting then all the ones prior to its creation.
@@Mmmmmmmmnmmmmn Tight lacing was pretty popular during most of the Victorian era. All the women in novels and movies based in that time were always fainting for a variety of reasons. Yes, a huge reason may be because of tight lacing. But it was also expsctes of women to be emotionally fragile. It was considered to be womanly, if a lady is so delicate she faints at rhe drop of a hate. Then the dashing manly man gets to sweep up his lady fair and "rescue" his damsel by carrying her to a dark room to sleep off all of the "stimulation" and "excitement." There are a few other suspextes reaspns as to women were seen fainting, (or pretending to) so often and easily. But I'm pretty sure those are the 2 big reasons.
Actually the term, "tight lacing" itself, wasn't recorded anywhere until that particular era, as a matter of fact. 20 years or so after the incident in the video took place, in the 1840s and 1850s was the term Tight Lacong first used and caught on as the actual label, or name, for the practice of tightening one's corset to the extreme.
Tight lacing didn't really start its decline until the later years of the Vicorian era, (about 1900) when people started talking pretty loudly about the possible ill medical effect that the practice can cause, with some cases those effects would be permanent. That started a whole new movement against it called, The Great Corset Controversy.
Still, even then, during the early 20th century, corsets and tight lacing fell in and out of trend every other decade it seems.
So during the 1820s and 1830s, (the era we were originally talkong about.) tight lacing still was nearly in its prime, regarding it's popularity and trending.
Natural causes
The last story kills me. The Dear Zachary documentary goes into so much detail on this and it absolutely broke my heart. Shirley was such a vile monster.
Apparently not in the eyes of Canadian law, unbelievable, what a shame, this was preventable!!!🙏😪👼
That made me so man and cry I felt the GPA
I’ll be a good girl, daddy. I promise. 😉
I cant imagine what kind of doctor she was gonna be...good riddance
I actually had heard of Zachary on the news when I was a kid I remember being angry about it I own the documentary I cry Bc I’m a mother if Shirley was alive oh I’d kill her. She thinks she’s with her son no b he’s with his dad u murdered u psycho
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Poor souls I hope they rest in peace.
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
No.
Amen 🙏🏻
@@chatterchops 💌
“They hadn’t heard from her in 2.5 years so they wanted to report her missing...”
Ya think?
Early 1900's internet SUCKED!
David and Kathleen Bagby are amazing people. I hate that they lost all they loved. Praying for them.
26:55 "But she had given up custody of all three children": Sorry, that's the biggest red flag any guy could possibly have waved in front of his face. Avoid, avoid, avoid.
At least you know you'll get your kids.
The story of andrew bagby has a documentary called Dear Zachary.
my paternal grandmother was forced to give up all 3 of her kids (husband's family was of higher social standing and she was an orphan) but she was the one who ended up dying under mysterious circumstances in the 40s.
I gave up custody of my two children to their rich father. It was either that or move them all into a trailer and let my eldest be a nanny while I wait tables to pay the bills. No thank you, and if you can't understand that then I agree, keep on walking is the best thing you could possibly do.
Mystifying. How could he be so stupid but smart enough to be a doctor??
“Dear Zachary” was legitimately the saddest thing I’ve ever watched. I’ve seen so many murder stories by this point, and I don’t cry much or get too emotional but oh my god that movie had me bawling.
Andrew’s parents are some of the strongest people in the world and victims of a negligent system, and my heart truly goes out to them. I hope nothing like that ever happens to anyone ever again. I wouldn’t wish that suffering on my worst enemy.
That might be the most beautiful, heartbreaking, and constructive film and storytelling that I've ever experienced. It was a masterpiece and has served far more than its initial purpose. It has led to a complete overhaul of the Canadian justice system and personifies victims rights campaigns. Incredible 1.5 hours for anyone willing to watch.
Forreal the whole system just pissed me off royally she didnt deserve that boy.
I've read/watched practically everything regarding this case. "Dear Zachary" made you wanna squeeze your kids/grandkids a little tighter every night.
Can you please share the link?
It was devastating
It's cases like the last one that should be used to allow families to sue & press charges against ridiculous judges. If they're held accountable for their actions, I guarantee there would be different decisions made. 😡😡
What an especially tragic case that was.
Judges get kick backs from private prisons just like district attorney offices do.
It made zero sense to release her. I am sure that judge if still alive realizes the total fuck up
Everyday.
@@seanmartin6773 I highly doubt that. The few judges I have met in social settings have been very self-assured that the choices they made when they were serving were just, given the evidence they were aware of at the time. One admitted he was wrong about a few decisions he made, but all were totally remorseful. Even with the benefit of hindsight, "can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs".
Im sorry to say this, but the "judge" is STILL a judge with the court of appeals. Judge's name is Gale Welsh- www.canadianunderwriter.ca/insurance/you-unsuccessfully-jump-into-the-back-of-a-hatchback-to-avoid-a-tragic-injury-do-you-occupy-the-car-1004172164/
That last case is like wtf? I don’t even know where to begin.
when i saw the title “bizarre twists” i did not expect the first one to be about a transgender man lmao, but i’ll take it
Ahem, I believe the terminology used here is a 'man woman' 😶
I know, what a fucking weirdo, right?
@@MegaFuriousAnger do you know ManBearPig?
I just couldn’t get over the whole him and he thing. Men don’t give birth - that’s a woman - not a man.
@@GrimTactics I hear ya. Recently, a woman who thinks she is a man gave birth to a baby and was mad the judge refused to put her down as the father! The judge insisted she be listed as the mother on the birth certificate.
I can't imagine the pain the last couple had to go through: first the loss of their son and then the loss of their grandson (the only member of their son's lineage).
And what a grandson! Zachary looks like such a lovable, beautiful, adorable child. His expressions melt my heart. I wish my own future children are as adorable.
Such a tragic, heartbreaking case.
Andrew Bagby is one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever heard. 🙏 prayers for the Bagby family....such a sad and terrible story. May Andrew and his little boy rest in peace....
I'm on board with that for sure!!!🙏😪
The last story. Why do children continue to suffer, and die, at the hands of people who should love them. Tragic story.
People love to have control over weaker beings
Because of the sin in this world
It's called mental illness
Because people think children are objects they own
@@amandaanderson2745 It called being evil
That last case was infuriating!!! That judge should be locked up in prison for letting that evil woman go free 😠
photos from the 1900's give me the creeps 😭
1800s
Me too..always have
Regarding the last case, Watch the movie Dear Zachary. be warned ,you will be a blubbering mess
Thanks will do,is it online?🥰🎃❤
I watched it a few years ago. Heartbreaking 💔 I live super close to Latrobe and remember when they found his body. Such a tragedy.
I was coming to say the same thing, it was a vary good documentary
ice la honk you can find it on TH-cam. That’s where I found it. I discovered the documentary right as I was expecting my first child and I swear it nearly broke me.
They include family footage and commentary from the family. He was such a happy child and loved playing with his family. Nearly every photo of Zachary here he is smiling. He’s also smiling in nearly every family video too! Life can be so unfair.
The monologue where the grandfather explains his plan to murder the mom was so sad too. I strongly recommend watching it.
I have never once cried to the point of sobbing while watching somethig until I watched Dear Zachary. I still get chills & get emotional just thinking about it.
woman: has 8 restraining orders against her and stabbed a person with a fork while in jail
judge: 🔥 this is fine 🔥
Yeah the judge said, awe she was just angry, hahaha! I get angry but I don't get criminal over it. Hello? Sometimes I think there's psychopaths operating in the judicial system too. I watched one where they let off a violent serial rapist in a small town that is used to not locking their doors and everybody knows everyone so they have a sense of feeling safe. Well of course he, and a retard he gathered up to do it with, raped and killed two teenagers. The town felt like he was deliberately dropped on them. The Delphi case, same thing, a town of 3,000 with 30 sex offenders within a ten mile radius. They really are deliberately dropping them off in small towns. Sick!
That judge is responsible 💯 percent
I never met Shirley personally. But by all accounts of the people who new her she was a psychopath. I know people on the internet, claim to know people personally all the time. I live in Newfoundland, Canada. I use to date a guy from Portland Creek. Where one of her ex husbands and one daughter is from. Was shocked when I found who they were. The husband told me personally she was very abusive and stabbed him in the back with a fork. That father was given custody of the daughter. Shirley didn't give her up her rights they were taken away in that case. I don't know about the other two kids. Just that husband and child. Obviously it's a sensitive issue so it isn't talked about a lot. The town has a population of 30-50 ppl.
Watch Dear Zachary it will make you even more angry at that system and crazy chick
Angelina Smith I remember seeing some of it. It was so sad 😭
Well done Canada, you let a murderer out on a promise to behave themselves
Siaori193 sorry, we didn’t mean to.
Oh you! Take your like, dammit!
.............😑 whit that said, its probably a american.
Yeah... Like America hasn't ever done that 🙄🙄
@@TaylorAmelia😏 AH! 😏👊
That first story is wild. I didn't expect that twist.
The entire time he was giving the backstory i thought it was just the lie to get in a woman’s jail 😭😭 not her real life.
Nita B crikey!! I don’t mean to laugh bc there’s a murder involved but dang, you ain’t even lying!! 😮😮
Does anyone else think “Crawford” in the first case looks like Ellen Degeneres’ twin!?!!
🙋♀️
Yes specially if you compare to the picture tabloids use of Ellen when she’s mad 😂😂😂
Paused the video during that clip just to read the comments 😂 knew it wasn’t only me who thought that 😂😂
I thought that immediately
YESSSS!!!
That judge who let Shirley out of jail has blood on his hands. I hope he has a miserable life. As for Shirley...
@RantCasey19 Of course it was. Not surprised at all.
@RantCasey19 I didn't wish to imply that either. I saw it as "A female judge shows female criminal leniency", which I have seen happen before. I didn't mean to imply women are bad judges overall, because that would be untrue.
Judge's hands are tied when a jury finds them not guilty. Remember they never proved she killed him. Jury couldn't convict and judge couldn't sentence. Judges don't get the right to determine guilt. They only sentence after a jury convicts, the defendant pleads guilty or a deal with the DA is reached. They actually don't have as much power as you might think.
@@chrisbennett6236 actually a Judge can. Federal law inexplicably can override a juries not guilty verdict. Before you get on here and say different look it up
@@chrisbennett6236 damn the law, it’s basic common sense dude, she clearly killed the man and was a danger to people and herself. And now an innocent baby is dead because people like you don’t have any common sense.
The last story was very sad. Poor Baby Zachary never stood a chance with that creature of a mother.
This channel is in a league of it's own...
Its, not it's.
Cadillac Deville for sure
Dis, not this. 😂😂😂
@Shoshanna Addley I know how to fix it, it just wasn't a big deal. I know your comment wasn't directed at me
@Shoshanna Addley I like the fact you said they should explain how it is wrong, instead of just saying "you're wrong."
Yes those mistakes cost money.
Some people just love to pull others up on their grammar and punctuation.
You did it in a nice polite way and am sure others would appreciate that.
As many times as I read the story about Eugenia, yours gave much more details, keep up the great research. I had no idea about a bio-daughter, or seen other pictures of him
I 100% agree with the dad’s sentiment that I would have watched the life leave that horrible woman’s body by my hand and went home and fallen asleep knowing I did what had to be done. I don’t usually get emotional about these videos, but this one will stay with me forever.
Andy hopes after he accused his father of molestation and murder, that his relationship with his dad can be repaired...umm...wow. I still think Andy had something to do with it.
I think he has real issues with mental health!
They both did !! " I'd say! Just one,has a conscience??
I feel like that just *might*strain a relationship lol. I'm with you though, that's just crazy.
You must have missed the part where they said a more detailed test proved his DNA was not one of the three found on her.
I think he legitimately wanted the police to do their damn job and actually examine her body. Why they didn't when it was obvious she had been murdered is beyond comprehension.
Lazy ass police work is the real problem with this case.
If he hadn’t falsely accused his father of impregnating her, they would have never exhumed her body and found the DNA.
I've never heard of having 8 restraining orders against one person!!!
HPL* Arkham either different counties or different reasons
Muslimah Sierra or different people
I knew this lady who stalked many people and more than 10 people had a restraining order on her..
But men still wanted to date her! She was clearly cray cray from start! Andrew dated her knowing she was x2 divorcee and her ex had full custody of the kids. How cray do you have to be that the father has SOLE custody!
The last case about Andrew Bagby, there is a documentary about it called “Dear Zachary”, and I highly recommend it. One of the most heartbreaking things I’ve ever watched 💔
That is a great movie
i think the hardest i have ever cried was while watching that movie
I've watched it three times and it absolutely devastated me each time. His poor parents 😭
Nobody’s going to mention the dumb ass court system!
Where can i buy you lunch!!¡¡!
Canadians: “Promise to be okay buddy?”
Shirley be like ”I’m not your buddy, guy!”
I hope that judge has a hard time sleeping every night...
Doubt it
Ha
Putting that sympathy in the right place for sure.
Those poor grandparents & that poor baby & his father. My God, we need to start learning from these cases. I don't think enough has been done yet.
Stiffer punishments for violent offenders.
Well Canada has learned since that case. The US has learned a little bit but has a long way to go.
When I watched "Dear Zachary" I didn't know the story behind it...when I got to the end I cried my eyes out. That poor family had to bury a son and a grandson. My heart breaks for them
It was so sad when they said they were going to commit suicide together but decided to live when all of Andrew's friends said they were the Bagby's kids. The friends kept those parents going.
Dear Zachary is the only documentary that made me cry
The Crawford case is messed up and sad all around! What a tortured life he lived!!! I'm not excusing what happened to Annie - that's just tragic, she had a terrible, cruel end!
She was a killer and deserved what happened. Justice was served by that captain.
That last case broke my heart, especially since it took the Begbie’s last remaining link to their dead son.
Shirley is pure evil. So selfish.
I saw Dear Zachary completely by accident and I ugly cried thru the whole entire thing.
Izzy Lopez is there a way to pretty cry?
Are you Filipino
@@ashwathygirish5084 Mexican.
Make a murderer promise to behave...
Of course they will tell the truth 😞
Canadian judicial system is a joke.
This judge should be fired and kicked in the ass
@Get That Money Get That Money that's like these young female teachers who get nothing for having sex with kids. If they're good looking it's ok to many people, when someone grown being sexually attracted to a child is just sick!
Canada is too nice.
Oh Canada 🤦🏻♀️
"Dear Zachary" is one of the saddest things you'll ever watch.
I wish the baby would have been able to be with Zacharys parents. They would have given that baby everything. He looks so much like his dad. That poor grandpa 😭
The last case was so upsetting :(
I couldn’t imagine having to live life after the person that murdered my only child turned around and murdered my only grandchild. After I had to make small talk with them to be in that child’s life. Smh
u cute
They tortured those poor grandparents. After watching the documentary on the case, you just want happiness for them so desperately and you realize fucking Shirley and the dumb judge took that away from them.
The Brady Bunch,,,, the Brady bunch, that’s the way they became the Brady Bunch.... daaa da da da daaaa, and Cousin Oliver too....
Yeah it's up there with losing a child at the age of four to a genetic disease, then finding out years later after their second was born that they too were born with the same incurable disease.
Watching one child die is bad enough, having to to watch it a second time would be life ending.
Pp
OMG that poor family having to deal with that damn b**ch just to see their grandchild. She should have never had custody at all.
All death is sad, murder is always horrendous. But that last story was so absolutely heartbreaking. That horrible woman destroyed that entire family. Killed their son, killed their grandson and you know that basically killed them too. You never come back from that sort of grief.
Dear Zachary is the most heartbreaking documentary I’ve seen.
That "Dear Zachary" documentary was heartbreaking. The law totally failed the whole Bagby family.
I love how it takes her 2.5 years to report her sister missing
Some people are like that i grow up in bording schools and faster parents nobody would look for me when i was young amd always run away becausse could not deal with those people toke ma mom 5 years to start looking for me lol well no thank u then
Back in those days though, it was much much harder to keep in touch with people ☺️ If, for example, someone moved house and didn’t leave a forwarding address, the family had no way of contacting them. It also wasn’t uncommon back then for people to be evicted or told to leave with no warning, so they may not have a forwarding address to give. 🤔 Then, if the FAMILY moved and left no forwarding address (or the new residents misplaced it/didn’t want to pass it along), both sides had no way of contacting each other. ☺️ It happened all the time back then. Most people were perfectly fine and eventually managed to get back in touch. They might just assume that the “missing” person had no fixed address at that time possibly due to a job that involves travel, or is onboard a boat, so they haven’t sent their family letters if there’s nowhere to send the reply to yet ☺️🤷🏼♀️ For us, it’s hard to imagine how people can lose touch but back then it was common. You might have to call and write to all your extended family members to ask if they’ve seen so-and-so, and if they have contact details for them. Then wait weeks and weeks for replies (depending on distance and mail delivery timescales) 😂😂 I don’t envy the people of those times 😂✌🏻
It was 1917
No joke sometimes people just up and left back then.
The last case broke my heart the judicial system can be so blind. The lady was clearly heartless/ beyond nuts & the judge should do time for letting her off 😔. Baby Zachary would still be alive.
Imagine a man suspected of killing his ex girlfriend being let out and getting custody. This is sickening. The judge should be in prison.
I just watched the documentary named Dear Zachary and I wasn't ready for it. I literally cried. It is the full story of Andrew Bagby and his son Zachary. So heart-shattering :(
"Do you promise to be a good,if I let you out of prison" ...WHOSE GONNA SAY NO ?!!??!!!
Who’s a good boy, who’s a good boy?! Now sit, roll over, awwww, good boy, go fetch....
Had to throw my headphones on at work just for this. Way to start off the week.
My goal in life is not to end up in a Criminally Listed video 😅
Agreed
Hear, hear!!!
BRUH LOL SAME
Facts
You may see my exhusband on here, but "due to lack of evidence, Nicole was never convicted and still lives in Canada surrounded by friends and family who support her innocent to this day...the body was never found..."
These parents my god that judge should be fired!!!!!!!!!! This breaks my heart RIP Zac. SHAME ON JUDGE.😡😈
The last one is actually a documentary. It was incredibly well-done, and criminally listed has done the story justice.
"Dear Zachary" incensed me beyond imagination. I am unable to understand how one individual can be so astonishingly vile. It is hard to believe that no one was able to intervene and save that poor child. One can only hope that Zachary's grandparents have been able to find some solace in the loving memory of their grandchild.
My blood is boiling after hearing that last case
There's a judge somewhere that needs prison time. Actually there are a lot of judges that need that, but for sure in this case specifically.
There is an amazing documentary about it called Dear Zachary: a letter to a son about his father that is absolutely gut wrenching
@@catatouille Thank you for telling us. Although I'm not sure I should watch it, if you know what I mean.
@@catatouille omg that documentary made me cry with sorrow and rage. It made me sick to my stomach. His parents pain.... its awful. It was put together very well but such a horrible doc.
The man who was murdered by that psycho had a good friend who did a documentary about this case. It’s very detailed and all his friends and the mans family are throughout it. I think it’s title has the name Zachary in it. Either way, it would be easy to find if you search a bit. It broke my heart what that family endured. The grandparents are heartbroken.
I feel so guilty for being so excited for these videos cause people died and these videos are made on those deaths. I will always click criminally listed if I'm watching other stuff and get that notification.
I am a creature of the dark I get that .. but hey at least their stories are heard by so so many people that acknowledge these people and in their own way kind of pay respect to their story, I think it’s better than them being forgotten ! Ya know? Idk that’s how I try to look at it :P lolll
Maybe it's because you're a creature from the dark. 😉
I can never understand Canadian law. It’s so concerned for the rights of a criminal over the rights of the victims.
I'm from Sunnyvale, ca too.. rest in peace Andrew and baby Zachary.. my prayers are with them and the family. So sad. And hits so close to home
We appreciate all your hard-work, time and effort you put into these videos. I'm sure the loved ones of the victims in these videos also appreciate a voice for their loved ones.
Shirley "I pinky promise I won't do anything bad"
Judge "Okay off you go"
Seems legit
Surely someone charged with murder would not be granted bail? Baffling. .. the last one is so so sad...
Hey, Carol if you are interested in stories like this one: watch a youtuber named Tiffany Amber Thiessen. She's basically the same as this narrator.
@@C_Tizzle Tiffany is the actress from Saved by the Bell i think
That poor, poor couple in the last vid 😢
The narrator sounds like what I'd imagine a potato to sound like if it had a voice.
I don't understand why he draws out the final consonants on words .. Shirleeeeeeeeeee Murderrrrrrrrrr, obviously there's a lot of work put into these videos but I just can't bear to listen to any more of them :(
@@maryhoffmann9512 E is not a consonant, it's a vowel.
He doesn’t slow talk when he’s hawking ads.
@@TowGunner Perhaps he should switch tactics then, because the slow talk makes him sound borderline mentally handicapped.
Wow y'all are so hard on him for the way he talks. I honestly love listening to the narrations. I'm not a fan of slow talkers, but he doesn't talk slow. He draws out certain sounds but I think he does it for intensive purposes. Its calming to me and I enjoy listening anyhow. But each to their own.
Excellent work as always. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single episode of CL that hasn't been a great watch. At first your voice grated on me, but I've grown to appreciate it. Same for the background music, which seemed repetitious, but now is integral to the overall feel of the show. Keep up the good work.
What?! Okay so you promise you'll be good this time? putting an awful lot of faith in the honesty of people that want to get out of prison cannot lie
Crap in my mouth
In Seattle an illegal raped and beat a handicapped woman. At court he promised to "self deport" back to Mexico and the judge released him to do so. Surprise ending: he found his victim and beat her again. He is now at large.
@@youtubecensors5419 Well, obviously he had a few loose ends to tie up before he headed south.
"Harry crawford" has always looked like a knockoff Ellen to me.
Crystal Airgood hahaha
Chekhov's Secret Serf Ellen is equally as evil
Crystal Airgood 😂😂😂
Wait, since Crawford was first, isn't Ellen the knock-off?
Crystal Airgood I know right
A woman who did not have custody of ANY of her THREE children should NEVER have been allowed to keep her 4th. She must have been the most charismatic, manipulative person ever. And that guy was the most naive. How in the world was he smart enough to be a doctor? Mystifying.
Dear Zachary/Andrew Bagby's case is heartbreaking. I think of Zachary's grandparents often to this day.
I remember the first story on "Deadly Women" great to see pictures to go along with the face
@ ....no.
but.. he's not a woman???
2 years then hey where's mom ooh we should go tell the cops. Wtf
Exactly wtf
Oddly I thought that.. unless she was known to disappear
haha
i couldn't even finish watching the last story as soon as i realised where it was leading i had to stop the video. Poor little boy, heartbreaking.
That kid Andy was a true hero trying to reopen the case he confessed. I would have never thought of that
you have the best narration ever. the script, your voice, and the music in the background is A+++++++. like seriously best on TH-cam
Active sex life but never seen naked? How's that work?
Anthony Stevens with a strap on dude
Right, they were married, after all.
@@youtubecensors5419 Touche.
"That's totally not my finger!"
@Clo Leigh you mean to tell me no one was eating groceries in the early 1900's? 😉
The Harry Crawford story was on an episode of Deadly Women.
You have so much more information on that story than the tv show had.
Thank you.
and the fact that the narrator used he/him pronouns is a plus. Trans men are not women.. don't know why harry was put on that show
Hello family I just got off work I’m highly excited to be subscribed to this channel keep up the good work you are highly appreciated!!!
The first case needs to be a movie...
Wouldn't that be the Crying Game?
Dear Zachary is a sad, sad documentary. I first watched it several years ago and it still breaks my heart. That woman was a devil.
NOW THIS IS HOW YOU KICK OFF A MONDAY MORNING!!!!
havent you see that? it it uploaded third time
, yess, and I’m off today🙏🏾 got my blunt, snacks &CL🤩💯
shay 2100blk I’m jealous 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@shayblk wtf 😂😂😂😂
@@mikeandmars2345 priorities ig🤣😅
Rest in peace,Andrew and Zachary 💜
My mind is just blown that the court would except a promise to be on your best behavior as an acceptable way of letting someone out... that's just insane
The judge that said Shirley wasnt a danger to anyone else; "she just got angry, and killed the man that made her angry."
How does that not describe a dangerous person???
Those poor Parents and Grandparents 💜
imagine having to convince police to do their jobs
Theres many cases today where sadly that's the case & the family have to do their own investigating.
*SAME in 2019* .
Yeah my dude the rcmp in my city are shit heads. They dont even bother looking for lost vehicles or help.
Unfortunately that's often the case when dealing with the domestic terrorist mob "antifa".
People don’t like to admit it, but the Polixe can only do soo much. There are plenty of cases where the Police over look evidence, get tunnel vision, and investigate lazily. But you really have to blame the criminal justice system as a whole. In most cases, the Police do their jobs more thoroughly than prosecutors and judges. Attorneys and Judges have a nothing to lose mentality, because cases just get slapped on their desk. In regards to Detectives and police in general, they are conastanly under a microscope when dealing with murders or high profile cases. It’s a double edged sword. Cops want to catch everyone and of course they want to make arrests on homicide cases, but a lot are afraid to because if wrong, it could mean their job, or life. Cops are very expendable, where prosecution and judges aren’t.
I actually gasped out loud, when he admitted he was a woman! I just wasn't ready for that, y'all!
How do you not figure it out on your honeymoon?
@@HeadNtheClouds because he never had the lights on and had a 'tool'
Me too 😳😂
Yeah… not expecting that
"I love you and thats enough to make me change my ways" is a lie women have fallen for since time began,and will till time ceases, maybe they all hope their man is the 1 in 100 that actually changes his wild ways
EC Tron
Who saw himself as a man and was able to pass rather well.
Good job! You've not only overreacted in an amusing manner, but also made yourself look like a total jackass who thinks in overgeneralizations and stereotypes.
As a mom the last story killed me rest in paradise Andrew and Zachary 💔💔
I love how u only got 1 add at the begging and that’s it not adds every 10 seconds the best channel
Dear Zachary is the documentary about this case, it's heart wrenching... I saw it 5 years ago and i still cry everytime i remember it. It's one of those situations where you question if there is any point to life...
Me too... saw it when it came out and it’s unbelievable..... those grandparents were complete angels