I'm surprised how someone can represent German construction and engineering in such a good way. Stuttgart 21 was initially planned to be finished by 2019, was delayed like 5 times, the cost almost quadrupled and the reason in the video is "the insane complexity of the project". Yeah, the project is complex, big and expensive. And also, in Germany we take things like environmental protection serious and the station will look cool (at least in the beginning), but imho nothing can excuse 7 years of delay and 4x the original costs.. And when the construction is finished, there is a slight chance that the new station is already too small to keep up with the demand. That just Germany in a nutshell.
This sounds like a cheap commercial. Us germans have an almost 30-year history with this project and its benefits are highly controversial. So controversial the DB CEO said about it: “With today's knowledge, the project would no longer be built”. Misinformation: According to the financing agreement (03/2009) the project was supposed to be completed in “December 2019 at the latest” and not 2025…
Every train has to stop on a station to avoid more frustration of the passangers. It takes only 4minutes to change the direction in a railhead-station. The mega project brings many problems, we may have more chaos with several trains on the same platform because there are too less tracks (only half as much tracks as the old station have). The old station must be preserved to handle all the trains which are running now and more in the future, to let the trains of Zürich reach Stuttgart mainstation, so we don't need the Pfaffensteigtunnel. Also it isn't a good idea to have thousands of people in long tunnels because evacuation should be always realistic possible when fire breaks out.
That the opening was postponed from December 2025 to December 2026 is not construction-related. It comes due to the aim to operate this new railway knot only with the new ECTS 2 signaling system. This saves costs but means that all trains using this new railway knot need to be equipped with this signaling system. Esp. retrofitting older regional trains with ECTS 2 is the main bottleneck.
The Idea of Stuttgart 21 is good, cause Head End Stations are stupid BUT the Problem is, they already building it too small for the Traffic to come... and thats whats stupid about it. German here. :)
correct the new station will have fewer platforms then the old one. Luckily this project is not a total (designed by political comitee) clusterfuck as the Willy Brandt airport in Berlin was.
@@obelic71 is it compleatly replacing the old station or is it jus augmenting it if there is a problem in the tunnel could they reroute the train to the old station.
@@alexisdespland4939 The new platforms are build beneath the old station. At first drafts of the project they wanted to demolish also the old station building what resulted in a mass public outcry and campain to incorporate the historic station building into the plan. It was succesfull and the old station building is now a part of the plan. When the new tracks are completed the above ground tracks, platforms and yard will be demolished. The station and its massive rail yard lies in the center of Stuttgart so the ground is prime realestate for housing and offices Redeveloping that area finances a part of the project. Another famous big main terminal station who had no run through option was the Station of Antwerp in Belgium That one got deep level tracks and platforms and the historic station was renovated back to its 1873 grandure. As a modern transport hub it also became a must visit tourist attraction.
@@alexisdespland4939 Destruction of the old station (i.e. tracks) is the plan. The whole thing was started to develop real estate, not to develop & improve rail traffic.
Off course they didnt tell the real price in the beginning, they never do this, they always lie about the cost. The initial price was about 3 billions and over time they revealed the truth, thats known as salamitactics, slice by slice the price goes up.
3 billion 1994 in a "planning stage". When the construction was started in 2010 the costs were estimated to be nearly 5 billion. In 2011 the project was due to protests politically haulted. And only restarted after some improvements (which did of course increase also the costs). The construction cost price explosion in the last decade is not limited to Stuttgart 21. Current comparable railway projects cost 2-3 times more per range kilometer than Stuttgart 21.
30 km of tunnel and 57 of rails is not that much, that project would have took half the time in italy (or simply never start because we are Italy anyways)
Those are the "route lengths". 33 km of tunnel route. 59 km of tunnels had to be built for this. There are only a few double-track tunnels. There are also auxiliary tunnels. E.g. the main tunnel bypasses the future airport train stations, but there are additional branch tunnels to enable trains to call at the airport train station. 57 km of new route will be so 140-150 km of new tracks. The new parking station Untertürkheim has alone nearly 10 km of tracks.
While I agree... It's not just a German problem... It's the rule pretty much everywhere, except for maybe China... They probably would've completed it in 12 months
@@vi-yn1ss our (Australian) beloved government very likes to start megaprojects and blow them threefold (Inland rail, Snowy 2 etc) but its typical German to meke huge plan and go by it even when hit the wall, not solving the problem but bruteforce it.
A nice promotional video… Wendlingen-Ulm is a separate project. Some points of critics ; Going from 16 tracks at ground to 8 tracks underground will not be sufficient in a close future and use of one track by two trains in two directions at the same time is planed…Not all trains will go through but end or start there too ! The east- and west wings of the classified station building have been demolished…! Some of the tunnels are bored through Anhydride - a very dangerous rock type that swells in contact with water… The incline of the platforms is steeper than the German Federation allows… Critics accused the planers of “Numbers-Shrinking” since the project was presented ! 😂 Build underground-stay at ground !
A transit station with 8 tracks has more capacity than a terminal station with 15 tracks (track 1 is not used anymore for scheduled trains since the S-Bahn was opened in the late 1970s due to changes in the track layout). Also the current terminal train station can only be accessed by railway tunnels. And some of those had to be built through Anydride as well. Like the south-west tube of the Pragtunnel. Built in 1844 (the 2nd oldest railway tunnel in Germany still in use). Stuttgart is a challenging ground to built tunnels - but this is manageable. Due to its topography Stuttgart has quite some experience with tunnels. The first tunnel for motorcars on the planet was also built in Stuttgart (Schwabtunnel 1896). There is no rule for the incline of platforms. There is a recommendation for the incline of tracks at train stations. Until so 40 years ago this was a rule (with the option for an exception). The background was the poor braking force of decoupled rail cars at train stations. But this one has improved. Passenger rail cars are becoming anyway exotic nowadays. And unlike with the old terminal train station where decoupling the loco from the rail cars is the norm, this task is obsolete at the new transit station.
I am from Stuttgart and you are missing two of the most important benefits of the project in this video. 1. Because the new main station will be underground a gigantic area that was before covered with railways and holding sidings will be free to develop a whole new city district in the center of Stuttgart, an opportunity that few citys will ever have. Furthermore this will unite the city which was bevor separated by the railways. You can not overrate the effect this will have for the future of the city and its liveability. It is simply unprecedented. 2. You missed in the video that the project includes a new connection (and station) to the airport. Today you need 40 Minutes form the main station to the airport with public transport. After the project is completed it will be less then 10 Minutes. This will be on of the fastest (maybe the fastest) inner city to airport connection in the world. If you keep in mind that Stuttgart is pretty much in the center of Europe you can be in every major European city in under three hours. Absolutely amazing. If you will do another video in the future (maybe after completion of the project) you could include these benefits.
Not by a long shot. It currently has 16 tracks, the new one will have 8. The Munich terminal station for example has 36 tracks above ground for the trains and additional underground tracks for S-Bahn and U-Bahn
This guy pronounced Stuttgart incorrectly, great video regardless. I guess the delay is necessary because they want to make absolutely sure everything is working as it’s supposed to be
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I'm surprised how someone can represent German construction and engineering in such a good way. Stuttgart 21 was initially planned to be finished by 2019, was delayed like 5 times, the cost almost quadrupled and the reason in the video is "the insane complexity of the project". Yeah, the project is complex, big and expensive. And also, in Germany we take things like environmental protection serious and the station will look cool (at least in the beginning), but imho nothing can excuse 7 years of delay and 4x the original costs.. And when the construction is finished, there is a slight chance that the new station is already too small to keep up with the demand. That just Germany in a nutshell.
All those stereotypes about Germany's punctuality are true about Switzerland. Clocks and watches origin.
This sounds like a cheap commercial. Us germans have an almost 30-year history with this project and its benefits are highly controversial. So controversial the DB CEO said about it: “With today's knowledge, the project would no longer be built”.
Misinformation: According to the financing agreement (03/2009) the project was supposed to be completed in “December 2019 at the latest” and not 2025…
Pronunciation of Stuttgart is wrong and annoying.
It’s “shtoot-gardt”
What this video never mentions is that Stuttgart 21 was initially planned to be finished in 2019
Every train has to stop on a station to avoid more frustration of the passangers. It takes only 4minutes to change the direction in a railhead-station. The mega project brings many problems, we may have more chaos with several trains on the same platform because there are too less tracks (only half as much tracks as the old station have). The old station must be preserved to handle all the trains which are running now and more in the future, to let the trains of Zürich reach Stuttgart mainstation, so we don't need the Pfaffensteigtunnel. Also it isn't a good idea to have thousands of people in long tunnels because evacuation should be always realistic possible when fire breaks out.
You pronounced Stuttgart incorrectly.
He used an ai voice i think
@@Tappygameplay I hate that.
@@Eurobazz the voice is pretty good
@@Tappygameplay It's awful.
Over and over again - the mispronunciation is too distracting
That the opening was postponed from December 2025 to December 2026 is not construction-related.
It comes due to the aim to operate this new railway knot only with the new ECTS 2 signaling system. This saves costs but means that all trains using this new railway knot need to be equipped with this signaling system. Esp. retrofitting older regional trains with ECTS 2 is the main bottleneck.
Just FYI: Stuttgart is a terminus station yes but so are Munich and Frankfurt
The Idea of Stuttgart 21 is good, cause Head End Stations are stupid BUT the Problem is, they already building it too small for the Traffic to come... and thats whats stupid about it.
German here. :)
correct the new station will have fewer platforms then the old one.
Luckily this project is not a total (designed by political comitee) clusterfuck as the Willy Brandt airport in Berlin was.
@@obelic71 is it compleatly replacing the old station or is it jus augmenting it if there is a problem in the tunnel could they reroute the train to the old station.
@@alexisdespland4939 The new platforms are build beneath the old station.
At first drafts of the project they wanted to demolish also the old station building what resulted in a mass public outcry and campain to incorporate the historic station building into the plan.
It was succesfull and the old station building is now a part of the plan.
When the new tracks are completed the above ground tracks, platforms and yard will be demolished.
The station and its massive rail yard lies in the center of Stuttgart so the ground is prime realestate for housing and offices
Redeveloping that area finances a part of the project.
Another famous big main terminal station who had no run through option was the Station of Antwerp in Belgium
That one got deep level tracks and platforms and the historic station was renovated back to its 1873 grandure.
As a modern transport hub it also became a must visit tourist attraction.
@@alexisdespland4939 Destruction of the old station (i.e. tracks) is the plan. The whole thing was started to develop real estate, not to develop & improve rail traffic.
@@alexisdespland4939they already sold the property were the old station and tracks are located. It was part of the finance plan.
Off course they didnt tell the real price in the beginning, they never do this, they always lie about the cost. The initial price was about 3 billions and over time they revealed the truth, thats known as salamitactics, slice by slice the price goes up.
3 billion 1994 in a "planning stage".
When the construction was started in 2010 the costs were estimated to be nearly 5 billion.
In 2011 the project was due to protests politically haulted. And only restarted after some improvements (which did of course increase also the costs). The construction cost price explosion in the last decade is not limited to Stuttgart 21.
Current comparable railway projects cost 2-3 times more per range kilometer than Stuttgart 21.
30 km of tunnel and 57 of rails is not that much, that project would have took half the time in italy (or simply never start because we are Italy anyways)
Those are the "route lengths".
33 km of tunnel route. 59 km of tunnels had to be built for this. There are only a few double-track tunnels. There are also auxiliary tunnels. E.g. the main tunnel bypasses the future airport train stations, but there are additional branch tunnels to enable trains to call at the airport train station.
57 km of new route will be so 140-150 km of new tracks. The new parking station Untertürkheim has alone nearly 10 km of tracks.
Having an Italian lecture Germans on efficiency and timeliness is some good comedy...
@@vi-yn1ss german government "efficiency" is (and has always been) a joke. The zimbabwean government is more efficient.
@@JMorris-v3d I'm sure you're an expert in that field
This was a great video, thanks for bringing more attention to this great project
It’s pronounced “Stootgart”. Very annoying.
Kinda strange to use Russian trains to illustrate German railways.
at 1:24 ?
@@NeutrinoPower Exactly
Awesome
At least you did say “soil and rock” and not dirt and rock!
How could you invest all the time to produce this otherwise terrific video and not learn how to pronounce Stuttgart correctly?
Not a Berlin airport, but also good achievement in classical German government budget blowing.
While I agree... It's not just a German problem... It's the rule pretty much everywhere, except for maybe China... They probably would've completed it in 12 months
@@vi-yn1ss our (Australian) beloved government very likes to start megaprojects and blow them threefold (Inland rail, Snowy 2 etc) but its typical German to meke huge plan and go by it even when hit the wall, not solving the problem but bruteforce it.
@@vi-yn1ss yeah... and the China stuff collapses from time to time.
A nice promotional video…
Wendlingen-Ulm is a separate project.
Some points of critics ;
Going from 16 tracks at ground to 8 tracks underground will not be sufficient in a close future and use of one track by two trains in two directions at the same time is planed…Not all trains will go through but end or start there too !
The east- and west wings of the classified station building have been demolished…!
Some of the tunnels are bored through Anhydride - a very dangerous rock type that swells in contact with water…
The incline of the platforms is steeper than the German Federation allows…
Critics accused the planers of “Numbers-Shrinking” since the project was presented !
😂
Build underground-stay at ground !
A transit station with 8 tracks has more capacity than a terminal station with 15 tracks (track 1 is not used anymore for scheduled trains since the S-Bahn was opened in the late 1970s due to changes in the track layout).
Also the current terminal train station can only be accessed by railway tunnels. And some of those had to be built through Anydride as well. Like the south-west tube of the Pragtunnel. Built in 1844 (the 2nd oldest railway tunnel in Germany still in use). Stuttgart is a challenging ground to built tunnels - but this is manageable. Due to its topography Stuttgart has quite some experience with tunnels. The first tunnel for motorcars on the planet was also built in Stuttgart (Schwabtunnel 1896).
There is no rule for the incline of platforms. There is a recommendation for the incline of tracks at train stations. Until so 40 years ago this was a rule (with the option for an exception). The background was the poor braking force of decoupled rail cars at train stations. But this one has improved. Passenger rail cars are becoming anyway exotic nowadays. And unlike with the old terminal train station where decoupling the loco from the rail cars is the norm, this task is obsolete at the new transit station.
@@martinstock
Uncoupling trains and locomotives is obsolete nowadays…push-pull…EMU’s…
Check on your pronunciation of Stuttgart.
May I suggest you check on your spelling of Stuttgart first?
Yes! It’s stU, not stA!
A lot of this, especially the old station being a bottleneck is just plainly wrong
th-cam.com/video/bXW0KovBmPQ/w-d-xo.html this is not Stuttgart railway station!
All the video makers need to do is to listen to the place name words which are used most and pronounce them properly. VERY POOR VIDEO!
I'm not German, but it's disgusting how the voice in the video pronounces Stuttgart😂😂😂
Unwatchable because of the incredibly bad pronunciationof Stuttgart.
I visited the construction site in spring. It already looks great.
Like a cathedral.😊
I am from Stuttgart and you are missing two of the most important benefits of the project in this video.
1. Because the new main station will be underground a gigantic area that was before covered with railways and holding sidings will be free to develop a whole new city district in the center of Stuttgart, an opportunity that few citys will ever have. Furthermore this will unite the city which was bevor separated by the railways. You can not overrate the effect this will have for the future of the city and its liveability. It is simply unprecedented.
2. You missed in the video that the project includes a new connection (and station) to the airport. Today you need 40 Minutes form the main station to the airport with public transport. After the project is completed it will be less then 10 Minutes. This will be on of the fastest (maybe the fastest) inner city to airport connection in the world. If you keep in mind that Stuttgart is pretty much in the center of Europe you can be in every major European city in under three hours. Absolutely amazing.
If you will do another video in the future (maybe after completion of the project) you could include these benefits.
Will this be the biggest railway there?
Not by a long shot. It currently has 16 tracks, the new one will have 8. The Munich terminal station for example has 36 tracks above ground for the trains and additional underground tracks for S-Bahn and U-Bahn
This guy pronounced Stuttgart incorrectly, great video regardless. I guess the delay is necessary because they want to make absolutely sure everything is working as it’s supposed to be
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