Okay, that was BRILLIANT! You had his entire schtick down pat: the cadences, tones, and body language. Yup, I could EASILY transpose Ian's delivery style onto this video, and nothing would be out of place. Well done, sir!
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I am impressed with your shotgun, different/obscure guns interest me an your is quite obscure. Its a fantastic piece of ingenuity in my opinion.
Don't forget this shotgun. Keep working on the design. Tinker with the problems. apply what you learn to the next creation. Lets see how it works during this years jackrabbit wars. Lets see the UTAH pistol used in the jackrabbit wars with a 410 or 28 gauge barrel,
Also got the C&Rsenal animations in there, although war were never declared here (perhaps on the jack rabbits? ) Very fine work on both the shotgun and the video mate.
Again....simplicity with functionality. I like that you made the 3 springs the same. Maybe you will dream up some mechanism to preclude firing if not completely closed. Any way you look at it, it's a fun exercise.
I love experimental firearms. I have a recommendation after watching your video on the issues with the design. I think if you were to move the magazine bar to the side of the receiver, it would help with your cycling issues by not having to push the shells up but slide them to the right/left. With that the shells can be ejected from the bottom. Anyway love the videos.
"To overcome this issue you would have to incorporate some kind of breach closure mechanism" I'm merely an armchair designer, an enthusiast with no proper training, so I may be speaking out of turn here so to speak, but I'm not sure that's true. Couldn't you put in some form of mechanism that would disallow either hammer movement, transferbar movement, firing pin movement, or trigger movement when the barrel isn't in the correct position? Perhaps some sort of button that needs to be depressed by some portion of the barrel assembly in order to fire? Or perhaps you could have the firing pin and transfer bar be on a moving plate of sorts, and hold those parts too far to the rear for the hammer to affect without the barrel being fully seated?
Totally agree. A button type of device, sort of like Glock’s firing pin safety, clearly wouldn’t be outside of the skills of this gentleman from what I see. In fact, it seems like a very easy thing to design (I’m not a fabricator, so maybe that part is insanely hard).
I know this is an old video buttt I like the general idea. I am a designer and gunsmith, I think I might need to play with the idea of using a Siaga mag (because I have them) incorporating a closure disconnect and maybe a slam fire like the old pumps used to have before ignorance and law suits prevailed. Of course paying jobs will prevail over my curiosity builds so who knows if it will ever happen.
I have reconciled myself to the reality that I too often comment before even cursorily perusing the other comments. You said notably the same thing that I did, but much sooner.
Well said. Though this design will most likely never be in production of any kind, it still has value in its existence. We have all learned a bit more about firearm design from this, and maybe will inspire new and interesting ideas.
I think your out of battery firing problem can be fixed with a simple pivot lever, or even a pin that holds the hammer from dropping until the breach is closed. Similar to disconnector mechanisms that keep semi auto guns from firing out of battery.
I know this video is older and I simply missed it back then. Being a fan of Ian's I find your imitation to be both humorous and flattering (to him). Having listened to your limitations as listed I could not help but start thinking of a method of circumventing them while keeping the reverse cycle simplicity alive. I am no engineer and my first thoughts are not likely to work, but as you know good ideas can come from anywhere so I think when I again have access to a shop I may attempt to prototype the action, even if I leave out the firing pin during my mock up for safety purposes.
Well done,sir. Here are a couple of suggestions: As for the breech not being closed during firing, I would suggest a spring that would pull to to parts together, requiring an effort on the part of the shooter to push open, or hold open the breech. And as for feeding issues, the problem might be solved by a stronger spring on the follower and the application of teflon inside the track allowing the rims of the shells to glide up the two tracks. This is a very impressive design and I would like to see it fired.
Lol, excellent. The one thing you missed is when he says we’re going to disassemble the gun, he ends up showing markings on the gun first, lol! Great job!
14:00 You don't need to make a kind of breach-closure-mechanism, "just" a way of auto-safety that the trigger can only be pulled, when you have the barrel all the way back. In order to perfectionate the gun, i would try to make a kind of fixed box magazine, where its possible to load a cartridge in any loading status of the mag until its full.. That would be awesome. Impressive design though. Best greetings from Germany.
Hello, sugestion for the security-/open-barrel-problem: The barrel clamp at it's backward postion (barrel is closed) presses down a lock arm. This lock arm releases - when pressed down - the trigger and/or hammer. Please apologize my bad skill in technical issued English.
Thinking out loud, the hammer needs to be where your transfer bar is, with a leg one side or the other that engages a slide on the barrel, cocking when the barrel comes forward but only released when completely closed. For the magazine, a swept shape with side rails? Excellent work! Nice parody!
I just had a thought about adressing the out-of-battery detonation possibility, at least partially. Could the problem be lessened by having a "finger" mounted on the barrel that would act similarily to the push-button safety, either unlocking the hammer or the firing pin itself, through tripping a spring-loaded plate or a wedge of some sort, that wouldn't allow the gun to be fired out of battery? Hope I am making sense.
keep videos like this one coming you you should even try actually replicating and modding some of the older / "forgotten fire arms and designs including prototypes that didn't make it to large scale production it is very educational videos thank you very much for taking time out of your and to spread wisdom , knowledge and understanding stay blessed and live strong .
In order to fix the problem with firing out of battery you could add a tilting block that would be in the way of the firing pin until the barrel is all the way back and pushes on it
Excellent! Some shooting footage, Please! Also, wouldn't it be possible to do some sort of interaction with the trigger similar to how the safety is setup such that the trigger cannot be pulled unless the action is fully closed? That doesn't necessarily have to be a locking mechanism just an interaction with the trigger such that the trigger won't work unless action is fully closed.
I don’t know why I have so much invested in this design, but I really want to see it work. If you had a “floating” bolt in the receiver with lugs that interacted with the barrel, you could cut a grove in it that would not allow the hammer/ transfer bar from striking the firing pin when it is not fully in battery. I don’t think it would have to fully lock, as such, just be enough to ensure proper head spacing. Also I like the box mag idea. Just spitballing, but I’ve been practically obsessing over this since I saw this video the other day. Thank you. -The Chicagoan / Texan.
Forgotten weapons should do an episode on "Still unknown guns" and let Ian go loose on these baby. I mean, atleast they could upload this video to their channel for april fools. _"Hello Ian has been kidnapped by Misses Chauchat, but we found his crazy Idahoan brother. So.... enjoy, i guess??"_
Seems like the magazine problem can be easilly solved by putting a front track for the shells, and attaching it to make a box frame, as you were hinting at. The light strikes and out-of-battery problems seem to be solvable within one revision though. From the few firing pins I've seen you make, They tend to be massive and piston-like. Simply cut these things down to reduce the amount of mass that needs to be accelerated (especially with the inefficiencies induced by the transfer bar). As you shave weight from the firing pin, incorporate a simple catch. Put a tilting bar that catches in the pin when the other end is not in a corresponding point on the moving barrel. This could also be worked into a lock that holds the two halves together until an unlocking event occurs.
Хорошая работа, борода. Прогресс по сравнению с прошлыми поделками очевиден. К сожалению мое знание английского не позволяет понять все, но в принципе и так все ясно. Уважаю
would it be possible to include an out of battery safety instead of the barrel closing device as an alternative method of stopping out of battery fire?
Would make sense in a bullpup layout, the striker in a conventional fashion being pushed back when closing the action. The back end is forced down at the end of the travel and catches on the sear which also catches the outer sleeve. After firing the striker end rests in the up position and lets the sleeve past it. Or put in a spring pushed vertical piece that catches the outer sleeve in postion when down and also blocks the striker if not locked - it could be actuated from the outside to release the action for unloading. The strikers back could lift it if when going forward. When cycling after firing it moves over the angled striker side face, catches it in the forward position and takes it with it backwards over the sear again. Ok not thought through but the reverse cycle idea is great i think it will work!
I think you could revisit this design if you build in a disconnector for the transfer bar. I'm thinking of a rail on the rear barrel, holding the transfer bar down (maybe on an extended tab) until the barrel is fully closed. PS: the slamfire shotgun AK Customs build, originated from the IRA, or was at least made known by them
to fix the issue with the barrel not enclosing the round or not hitting the breach face you can simply have a small tube like area that comes off the breach face covering the outside of the end of the barrel enclosing it if it dosnt come back far enough. also a simple button or lever like switch on the top or bottom of this small area covering the end of the barrel that would move a "firing pin block safety" would render the firearm safe if its not fully in battery, it still would not be a locking breach like you wanted however it would fix that issue. just an idea for anyone who might have the means to actually make this work since i like the idea but dont have the funds or means to make one myself
Would it be possible to include a device that acts in a similar way to a magazine disconnect on some handguns? Perhaps a disconnecter that is activated by a piece on the barrel only when it's in it's most rearward position rendering the trigger inoperable until it is engaged. I think that may eliminate the need for a locking mechanism.
I'm sure it would be possible. However, I have so many other projects I'm working on that it is doubtful whether I will ever get around to modifying or making an improved version of this one.
Enjoyable presentation. If you would accept some armchair advice regarding the ability of the shotgun to fire out of battery, consider making the safety mechanism engage and disengage automatically when the barrel moves out of and back into battery, only properly disengaging when fully in battery... Obviously, this advice is given with all the zest and experience of a childless person to a child's parent. Interesting design.
I think you'll find that a blow forward design is exists and in semi auto weapons it works poorly. You do actually have forces acting forward on the barrel with a stationary bolt because you don't just magically remove Newton's laws of motion right. The reason the barrel don't spring forward on your design is because of the friction in the action and as far as I can see you have a pretty good chance of firing out of battery. But it's a fun project and great to see someone try a "what if".
I was listening to this while doing dishes and realised you sound like Goofey, the weirdness of the gun is even like something he'd build. This isnt meant to ne an insult, if anything I like this video more now.
Nice episode xD However; with regards to out of battery firing being possible, I thought of an out-of-battery safety which would still allow the barrel to be fully unlocked. How you may be able to do it is by making a mechanism which prevents the trigger being pulled until a lug added on the barrel engages the mechanism which would unlock the main sear! What you think of this idea?
You dont need a breech closure mechanism. You just need a spring loaded pin, that disengages the safety when pulling the barrel back to the breech face. And may be You can do a tubular magazin in upside down configuration on top of the barrel. This would bring the recoil force more directly to Your shoulder. There seems to be another advantage of the design. With a tubular magazin on top of the barrel You can realize a quite long barrel with a short overall length, like a bullpup design
I was browsing through my sub feed right after I woke up and I clicked on this thinking it was a forgotten weapons video. I find this action very interesting. Would you mind if I gave it a try?
I don't think the design is completely negated by the breech issue. I'm sure there are workarounds, or even if there aren't then a suitable closure mechanism for this design would still be much simpler than a traditional pump action. Maybe this might not be a design any manufacturer would produce, but plans for something along these lines could easily be marketed. Building weapons isn't illegal everywhere yet
Uh, all of the videos I've posted about my reverse-cycle pump-action shotgun have sound, so I'm guessing maybe there's a problem with the sound system on your computer.
Nice to have you not preaching my friend. I am not against something neat out there but I would rather just stay with your gun works. As a machinist I do like your work and imagination my friend.Tweek away fella. It will be great to see this working flawlessly.
Wouldn't it be "easy" to build in an automatic safety, that gives the trigger (or better: the bolt) free only in fully closed position? (EDIT: Did I say bolt? I mean the firing pin!)
I loved it. Hope he don't get you for infringement rights. LOL. So guess it's official now, the reverse action shot gun will be a forgotten weapon in your book. Ha ha. I still like it even with the problems, like I stated in your earlier video, it reminds me of a Thompson.
@@CUBETechie In a a real post apocalyptic situation most homemade guns are probably just gonna be single shot zip guns. A lot of people lack the knowledge or lack the tools necessary to build mag fed firearms. Plus the fact that you probably won't have electricity makes it much harder, try building a mag fed with only hand tools. Plus your gonna need to find the proper size metal for your bolt and hope it fits in the reciever tube.
Good stuff as usual Idahoan. I've been wondering about this for a while, would you be interested in any off-youtube communication platforms? I'd recommend starting up a Discord where people can go and discuss stuff like this as well as other interesting firearms and non-firearms things. Discord is basically an IRC program, but with more features.
Thanks! As far as other platforms, earlier this year I expanded my channel onto DTube and UGETube. I also created a facebook page for the Idahoan show, although I must confess that I haven't posted much there. I do post weekly updates publicly on my Patreon page, though.
Thanks! And no, I haven't tried contacting Ian. Maybe further down the road, when I've got a larger collection of unique prototypes from my projects I'll invite him out to Idaho.
You gotta make it "cock on close" and then you can get rid of the transfer bar and use a more conventional hammer. You would need a transfer bar from the barrel clasp to the hammer, also you can make a post that blocks the hammer from the firing pin when the chamber is open (many pistols have it with the safety e.g. ppk) I like the project good stuff
This is the sort of crossover episode I can get behind
Okay, that was BRILLIANT! You had his entire schtick down pat: the cadences, tones, and body language. Yup, I could EASILY transpose Ian's delivery style onto this video, and nothing would be out of place. Well done, sir!
Pre-Forgotten Weapons, with not-Ian
Another feature is the size of the pins- you'll never lose a pin or spring when they are that beefy
"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." I am impressed with your shotgun, different/obscure guns interest me an your is quite obscure. Its a fantastic piece of ingenuity in my opinion.
Ian, you can't fool us.
Epic. How did you know that we watch Forgotten Weapons?
Just a lucky guess, I guess.
LOL nailed it. FW has done a great service - it has made us realise that there are lots of gun nerds out there, and that we’re no alone.
Don't forget this shotgun. Keep working on the design. Tinker with the problems. apply what you learn to the next creation. Lets see how it works during this years jackrabbit wars. Lets see the UTAH pistol used in the jackrabbit wars with a 410 or 28 gauge barrel,
Someone call gun jesus. This is awesome!
Also got the C&Rsenal animations in there, although war were never declared here (perhaps on the jack rabbits? )
Very fine work on both the shotgun and the video mate.
Again....simplicity with functionality. I like that you made the 3 springs the same. Maybe you will dream up some mechanism to preclude firing if not completely closed. Any way you look at it, it's a fun exercise.
This was awesome! You nailed it with the Forgotten Weapons-style presentation, and your design for the hammer is very clever!
I love experimental firearms. I have a recommendation after watching your video on the issues with the design. I think if you were to move the magazine bar to the side of the receiver, it would help with your cycling issues by not having to push the shells up but slide them to the right/left. With that the shells can be ejected from the bottom. Anyway love the videos.
"To overcome this issue you would have to incorporate some kind of breach closure mechanism"
I'm merely an armchair designer, an enthusiast with no proper training, so I may be speaking out of turn here so to speak, but I'm not sure that's true. Couldn't you put in some form of mechanism that would disallow either hammer movement, transferbar movement, firing pin movement, or trigger movement when the barrel isn't in the correct position? Perhaps some sort of button that needs to be depressed by some portion of the barrel assembly in order to fire?
Or perhaps you could have the firing pin and transfer bar be on a moving plate of sorts, and hold those parts too far to the rear for the hammer to affect without the barrel being fully seated?
Like a rail attached to the barrel that has a cutout, holding the transfer bar down on a tab until fully closed
Totally agree. A button type of device, sort of like Glock’s firing pin safety, clearly wouldn’t be outside of the skills of this gentleman from what I see. In fact, it seems like a very easy thing to design (I’m not a fabricator, so maybe that part is insanely hard).
I know this is an old video buttt I like the general idea. I am a designer and gunsmith, I think I might need to play with the idea of using a Siaga mag (because I have them) incorporating a closure disconnect and maybe a slam fire like the old pumps used to have before ignorance and law suits prevailed. Of course paying jobs will prevail over my curiosity builds so who knows if it will ever happen.
I have reconciled myself to the reality that I too often comment before even cursorily perusing the other comments. You said notably the same thing that I did, but much sooner.
Truly a forgotten weapon in the making, shame the design didn't work out but without testing and innovation we'd still be using muskets.
Well said. Though this design will most likely never be in production of any kind, it still has value in its existence. We have all learned a bit more about firearm design from this, and maybe will inspire new and interesting ideas.
Really enjoy your videos. Being an amateur gun builder myself, I love how you try different things to see how they will actually work in practice.
I watched the whole thing with a smile on my face
I think your out of battery firing problem can be fixed with a simple pivot lever, or even a pin that holds the hammer from dropping until the breach is closed. Similar to disconnector mechanisms that keep semi auto guns from firing out of battery.
Bravo to your Forgotten Weapons tribute, by the way. It's one 9f my favorite TH-cam video channels.
This is absolutely blessed
Unique inovation. Keep on the great job, Sir!!!!
If I close my eyes I could swear this is Ian speaking. LOL!
I know this video is older and I simply missed it back then. Being a fan of Ian's I find your imitation to be both humorous and flattering (to him). Having listened to your limitations as listed I could not help but start thinking of a method of circumventing them while keeping the reverse cycle simplicity alive. I am no engineer and my first thoughts are not likely to work, but as you know good ideas can come from anywhere so I think when I again have access to a shop I may attempt to prototype the action, even if I leave out the firing pin during my mock up for safety purposes.
I just found this episode, I loved it, well done.,
That's the best combination of TH-camrs.
Well done,sir. Here are a couple of suggestions: As for the breech not being closed during firing, I would suggest a spring that would pull to to parts together, requiring an effort on the part of the shooter to push open, or hold open the breech. And as for feeding issues, the problem might be solved by a stronger spring on the follower and the application of teflon inside the track allowing the rims of the shells to glide up the two tracks. This is a very impressive design and I would like to see it fired.
Lol, excellent. The one thing you missed is when he says we’re going to disassemble the gun, he ends up showing markings on the gun first, lol! Great job!
I always enjoy your videos pardner!
this is so funny. i remember guys that just took a bunch of things apart. this is one of them
14:00 You don't need to make a kind of breach-closure-mechanism, "just" a way of auto-safety that the trigger can only be pulled, when you have the barrel all the way back.
In order to perfectionate the gun, i would try to make a kind of fixed box magazine, where its possible to load a cartridge in any loading status of the mag until its full.. That would be awesome.
Impressive design though.
Best greetings from Germany.
Hello,
sugestion for the security-/open-barrel-problem: The barrel clamp at it's backward postion (barrel is closed) presses down a lock arm. This lock arm releases - when pressed down - the trigger and/or hammer.
Please apologize my bad skill in technical issued English.
Can you make a video about making a double barrel pump shotgun signed by relbac3
You could put an interlock between the barrel and safety so the trigger could only be pushed when in battery.
Thinking out loud, the hammer needs to be where your transfer bar is, with a leg one side or the other that engages a slide on the barrel, cocking when the barrel comes forward but only released when completely closed. For the magazine, a swept shape with side rails? Excellent work! Nice parody!
I just had a thought about adressing the out-of-battery detonation possibility, at least partially. Could the problem be lessened by having a "finger" mounted on the barrel that would act similarily to the push-button safety, either unlocking the hammer or the firing pin itself, through tripping a spring-loaded plate or a wedge of some sort, that wouldn't allow the gun to be fired out of battery? Hope I am making sense.
keep videos like this one coming you
you should even try actually replicating and modding some of the older / "forgotten fire arms and designs including prototypes that didn't make it to large scale production
it is very educational videos thank you very much for taking time out of your and to spread wisdom , knowledge and understanding
stay blessed and live strong .
In order to fix the problem with firing out of battery you could add a tilting block that would be in the way of the firing pin until the barrel is all the way back and pushes on it
Pretty cool, but would have been nice to see it in actual action though using some of your previous clips of it firing.
Excellent! Some shooting footage, Please! Also, wouldn't it be possible to do some sort of interaction with the trigger similar to how the safety is setup such that the trigger cannot be pulled unless the action is fully closed? That doesn't necessarily have to be a locking mechanism just an interaction with the trigger such that the trigger won't work unless action is fully closed.
My initial demo video of this shotgun has some shooting footage in it: th-cam.com/video/J2tV-dsvPlg/w-d-xo.html
I don’t know why I have so much invested in this design, but I really want to see it work. If you had a “floating” bolt in the receiver with lugs that interacted with the barrel, you could cut a grove in it that would not allow the hammer/ transfer bar from striking the firing pin when it is not fully in battery. I don’t think it would have to fully lock, as such, just be enough to ensure proper head spacing. Also I like the box mag idea. Just spitballing, but I’ve been practically obsessing over this since I saw this video the other day. Thank you. -The Chicagoan / Texan.
Forgotten weapons should do an episode on "Still unknown guns" and let Ian go loose on these baby.
I mean, atleast they could upload this video to their channel for april fools.
_"Hello Ian has been kidnapped by Misses Chauchat, but we found his crazy Idahoan brother. So.... enjoy, i guess??"_
I wonder what forgotten weapon' s Ian thinks of the gun. He has seen many odd and interesting guns
Seems like the magazine problem can be easilly solved by putting a front track for the shells, and attaching it to make a box frame, as you were hinting at. The light strikes and out-of-battery problems seem to be solvable within one revision though. From the few firing pins I've seen you make, They tend to be massive and piston-like. Simply cut these things down to reduce the amount of mass that needs to be accelerated (especially with the inefficiencies induced by the transfer bar). As you shave weight from the firing pin, incorporate a simple catch. Put a tilting bar that catches in the pin when the other end is not in a corresponding point on the moving barrel. This could also be worked into a lock that holds the two halves together until an unlocking event occurs.
Хорошая работа, борода. Прогресс по сравнению с прошлыми поделками очевиден. К сожалению мое знание английского не позволяет понять все, но в принципе и так все ясно. Уважаю
would it be possible to include an out of battery safety instead of the barrel closing device as an alternative method of stopping out of battery fire?
A simple tension tab and a dimple would probably work to hold the action shut without actually making anything much more complex....
Would make sense in a bullpup layout, the striker in a conventional fashion being pushed back when closing the action. The back end is forced down at the end of the travel and catches on the sear which also catches the outer sleeve. After firing the striker end rests in the up position and lets the sleeve past it. Or put in a spring pushed vertical piece that catches the outer sleeve in postion when down and also blocks the striker if not locked - it could be actuated from the outside to release the action for unloading. The strikers back could lift it if when going forward. When cycling after firing it moves over the angled striker side face, catches it in the forward position and takes it with it backwards over the sear again. Ok not thought through but the reverse cycle idea is great i think it will work!
I saw your comment on AK Custom's channel. Very cool!
I think you could revisit this design if you build in a disconnector for the transfer bar. I'm thinking of a rail on the rear barrel, holding the transfer bar down (maybe on an extended tab) until the barrel is fully closed.
PS: the slamfire shotgun AK Customs build, originated from the IRA, or was at least made known by them
For a second I thought Ian has actually done a video on your gun and had to check the channel name. Well done :)
to fix the issue with the barrel not enclosing the round or not hitting the breach face you can simply have a small tube like area that comes off the breach face covering the outside of the end of the barrel enclosing it if it dosnt come back far enough. also a simple button or lever like switch on the top or bottom of this small area covering the end of the barrel that would move a "firing pin block safety" would render the firearm safe if its not fully in battery, it still would not be a locking breach like you wanted however it would fix that issue. just an idea for anyone who might have the means to actually make this work since i like the idea but dont have the funds or means to make one myself
Would it be possible to include a device that acts in a similar way to a magazine disconnect on some handguns? Perhaps a disconnecter that is activated by a piece on the barrel only when it's in it's most rearward position rendering the trigger inoperable until it is engaged. I think that may eliminate the need for a locking mechanism.
I'm sure it would be possible. However, I have so many other projects I'm working on that it is doubtful whether I will ever get around to modifying or making an improved version of this one.
HA ! Great video ;-)
I like your style & ingenuity.
Subscribed.
Enjoyable presentation. If you would accept some armchair advice regarding the ability of the shotgun to fire out of battery, consider making the safety mechanism engage and disengage automatically when the barrel moves out of and back into battery, only properly disengaging when fully in battery... Obviously, this advice is given with all the zest and experience of a childless person to a child's parent.
Interesting design.
I came up with a kinda similar design on my channel but can't really build it at the moment. You may find it interesting
This is a awesome shotgun i would actually buy one if i could its just cool
I think you'll find that a blow forward design is exists and in semi auto weapons it works poorly. You do actually have forces acting forward on the barrel with a stationary bolt because you don't just magically remove Newton's laws of motion right. The reason the barrel don't spring forward on your design is because of the friction in the action and as far as I can see you have a pretty good chance of firing out of battery. But it's a fun project and great to see someone try a "what if".
I was listening to this while doing dishes and realised you sound like Goofey, the weirdness of the gun is even like something he'd build. This isnt meant to ne an insult, if anything I like this video more now.
Nice episode xD However; with regards to out of battery firing being possible, I thought of an out-of-battery safety which would still allow the barrel to be fully unlocked. How you may be able to do it is by making a mechanism which prevents the trigger being pulled until a lug added on the barrel engages the mechanism which would unlock the main sear! What you think of this idea?
You dont need a breech closure mechanism. You just need a spring loaded pin, that disengages the safety when pulling the barrel back to the breech face. And may be You can do a tubular magazin in upside down configuration on top of the barrel. This would bring the recoil force more directly to Your shoulder. There seems to be another advantage of the design. With a tubular magazin on top of the barrel You can realize a quite long barrel with a short overall length, like a bullpup design
I was browsing through my sub feed right after I woke up and I clicked on this thinking it was a forgotten weapons video. I find this action very interesting. Would you mind if I gave it a try?
Be my guest - I would love to see someone else come up with an improved implementation of this concept!
Wau very impressive build 👍👍👍
You are always able to surprise me..
Cute video!!! LOL
VERY creative design...
I don't think the design is completely negated by the breech issue. I'm sure there are workarounds, or even if there aren't then a suitable closure mechanism for this design would still be much simpler than a traditional pump action. Maybe this might not be a design any manufacturer would produce, but plans for something along these lines could easily be marketed.
Building weapons isn't illegal everywhere yet
This is like the store brand version of Forgotten Weapons
ok i have to ask . why do all of the videos iv found for this shotgun not have sound
Uh, all of the videos I've posted about my reverse-cycle pump-action shotgun have sound, so I'm guessing maybe there's a problem with the sound system on your computer.
I like pulling my long gun into my shoulder with my forward gripping hand making traditional pump action a nonstarter for me.
now i remember .i told you that you needed eye protection when i saw you trying out that gun !! thanks and good luck
I might late about 2 years but damn, this is one hell of a prototype shotgun. Can I use this prototype shotgun for my manga?
Sure!
@@TheIdahoanShow Thx
Can you tell me what software you used for your animation?
I use a program called Carrara.
@@TheIdahoanShow Many thanks!
Nice to have you not preaching my friend. I am not against something neat out there but I would rather just stay with your gun works. As a machinist I do like your work and imagination my friend.Tweek away fella. It will be great to see this working flawlessly.
Tomoko's Enterprize you gotta accept the whole man, he is who he is.
@Huckleberry Then let him do one or the other. Keep it simple. Little people have access to this. Does a gun belong in church ? Tough call eh.
@Huckleberry Not me at all. I am thinking of the little upcoming people out there. The bush is my church and guns have fed me my entire life.
@Huckleberry I just think they are two different forums is all. Not trying to piss anyone off. I like the guns he makes.
Couldn't you just incorporate a Hammer lock Like a Disconnector that unlocks when the breach is closed?
Can you please share CAD link..thanks
Brother, I appreciate your way, and message. But now, you sure sound like Ian.
That's an actual clipazine!
wow, that's a great video!
We need some plans
Keep your pants on, Colt and S&W!
Not the Gun Jesus we wanted, but the Gun Jesus we needed.
The russian PM 96 thats a Reverse Shotgun that works very good
Wouldn't it be "easy" to build in an automatic safety, that gives the trigger (or better: the bolt) free only in fully closed position? (EDIT: Did I say bolt? I mean the firing pin!)
I loved it. Hope he don't get you for infringement rights. LOL.
So guess it's official now, the reverse action shot gun will be a forgotten weapon in your book. Ha ha. I still like it even with the problems, like I stated in your earlier video, it reminds me of a Thompson.
This is a weapon that must be in a Fallout Game
Nothing like re-inventing the square wheel. Sheesh.
Well done, good sir!
Could you please build a weapon based on the Metro Games?
I'm afraid I'm not very familiar with the Metro Games. What kind of guns do they feature?
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Junk guns that actually seem be properly designed.
How will post apocalyptic firearms look like? I think in this situation a drum mag or the stripper's mag in line could be possible.
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In a a real post apocalyptic situation most homemade guns are probably just gonna be single shot zip guns. A lot of people lack the knowledge or lack the tools necessary to build mag fed firearms. Plus the fact that you probably won't have electricity makes it much harder, try building a mag fed with only hand tools. Plus your gonna need to find the proper size metal for your bolt and hope it fits in the reciever tube.
Dude... How? At times I would have swore I was watching Ian
Good stuff as usual Idahoan. I've been wondering about this for a while, would you be interested in any off-youtube communication platforms? I'd recommend starting up a Discord where people can go and discuss stuff like this as well as other interesting firearms and non-firearms things. Discord is basically an IRC program, but with more features.
Thanks! As far as other platforms, earlier this year I expanded my channel onto DTube and UGETube. I also created a facebook page for the Idahoan show, although I must confess that I haven't posted much there. I do post weekly updates publicly on my Patreon page, though.
All it needs is safety that prevents the gin from firing when out of battery.
I would love to see this gun in a METRO or FALLOUT Game, it would fit right in
Close your eyes and tell me that you don't hear Disney's Goofy doing an episode of Forgotten Weapons. Oh gorsh, heyuk!
has ian seen this?
I don't know - I haven't heard anything from him yet. I'd be interested to see how he would react to this myself.
Artyom approves blin...
Wonderful
Looks like Gun Jesus has a disciple.
great video, I'm sure Ian would appreciate it. Have you considered doing a collaboration with him?
Thanks! And no, I haven't tried contacting Ian. Maybe further down the road, when I've got a larger collection of unique prototypes from my projects I'll invite him out to Idaho.
You gotta make it "cock on close" and then you can get rid of the transfer bar and use a more conventional hammer. You would need a transfer bar from the barrel clasp to the hammer, also you can make a post that blocks the hammer from the firing pin when the chamber is open (many pistols have it with the safety e.g. ppk) I like the project good stuff
Actually, you didn't say "actually" enough times.
It's cool anyway.Thanks.I enjoyed it.
*liked for the Forgotten Weapons parody*
I want to make one